There is a type of poster who does not read the rules, or even does not know what they are, who posts for enjoyment because and because they get something out of it. Then we have rules lawyers, who make it a part-time job to interpret and challenge the expectations a user might have of the site. I've lurked and posted on many forums in the past, but I've never seen a community with so much dead weight. We have a disproportionate number of useless people who add little or nothing to the site in the way of meaningful content, and we have a much better chance at thriving if we protect ourselves from allowing them to shape our policies.Shut the fuck up, Zanick.
There is a type of poster who does not read the rules, or even does not know what they are, who posts for enjoyment because and because they get something out of it. Then we have rules lawyers, who make it a part-time job to interpret and challenge the expectations a user might have of the site. I've lurked and posted on many forums in the past, but I've never seen a community with so much dead weight. We have a disproportionate number of useless people who add little or nothing to the site in the way of meaningful content, and we have a much better chance at thriving if we protect ourselves from allowing them to shape our policies.
Well maybe if we had a thanks button...
bling bling got banned for literally nothing. Whoever banned him can go straight to hell.
Joe Camel is a faggot, too, though. He doesn't contribute anything himself except being a whiny junkie bitch. Irony, I know.
bling bling got banned for literally nothing. Whoever banned him can go straight to hell.
Joe Camel is a faggot, too, though. He doesn't contribute anything himself except being a whiny junkie bitch. Irony, I know.
There's nothing but complaining and flaming, the vacuous banality of the content here is horrid. I don't understand why either, is this just mostly a community of basement dwellers and aspies? How do people become so easily appalled with such trivial issues of a website? Take BM off of hot topics for Christ's sake its getting embarrassing.
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Something has to be done. Can we just ban all the people whi do nothing but bitch?
Even Slave seems to be writing more about how everyone else sucks than he is contributing quality content.
Yeah, like constructive criticism should be labeled as negative just to make people feel better about themselves.
Even Slave seems to be writing more about how everyone else sucks than he is contributing quality content.
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2885.msg39615#msg39615
I only mean stuff like this, and your post quality thread (though that turned out to be awesome). You're good most of the time but this is just so negative...
All I see is trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls mostly.I didn't troll you until I realized that that's exactly the only thing you want to see. As soon as someone critizises anything he's trolling and trying to see the forum burn. That's such bullshit.
I disagree with people, including you, over a site policy and am prepared to defend my point. You find this enough to shit-smear me by declaring that generally I'm 'writing more about how everyone else sucks'. You then quickly back-peddle in the scope of your comment and try to placate me with some insipid fake praise.
Well at least that answers the Zek question; you're a genuine cunt.
I disagree with people, including you, over a site policy and am prepared to defend my point. You find this enough to shit-smear me by declaring that generally I'm 'writing more about how everyone else sucks'. You then quickly back-peddle in the scope of your comment and try to placate me with some insipid fake praise.
Well at least that answers the Zek question; you're a genuine cunt.
You must meet a lot of genuine cunts, Slave.
I disagree with people, including you, over a site policy and am prepared to defend my point. You find this enough to shit-smear me by declaring that generally I'm 'writing more about how everyone else sucks'. You then quickly back-peddle in the scope of your comment and try to placate me with some insipid fake praise.
> Says he doesn't talk about how people around here suck at all.
> Basically tells equanimity that she's a cunt.
That doesn't do very much to help your case there...
Well at least that answers the Zek question; you're a genuine cunt.
genuine cunt.
Yeah, like constructive criticism should be labeled as negative just to make people feel better about themselves.
Pointing out a typo in lieu of responding to an apt post adds nothing constructive to a conversation. And now I'm being too negative! So I'll see you guys later today. Bye :)
You find this enough to shit-smear me by declaring that generally I'm 'writing more about how everyone else sucks'.
Shut the fuck up, Zanick.
You find this enough to shit-smear me by declaring that generally I'm 'writing more about how everyone else sucks'.
You're directly implying that that's not all you do around here. And then you come back with some flames. :P
EDIT: And oh my goodness, she really got to your head, didn't she?
You find this enough to shit-smear me by declaring that generally I'm 'writing more about how everyone else sucks'.
You're directly implying that that's not all you do around here. And then you come back with some flames. :P
So you think that by responding with one insult, her argument that I have generally become a poor poster is proven and that you can ignore anything else that I've said regardless of whether it is true?EDIT: And oh my goodness, she really got to your head, didn't she?
No. You deciding to chip in and defend her with your simplistic reasoning is what's making me question whether this site is worth bothering with.
Arnox has the worst fucking attitude to good posters I told you guys when you came here there is no way to reason with him he's a fucking moron with a dying site and it isn't gonna change while he spends his time being the worst admin I've seen
This thread demonstrates that if Equanimity discredits you generally as a poster, entirely unprovoked in a thread that has nothing to do with you, based on a single sentence elsewhere on the site, and you effortlessly tear her a new asshole, Arnox will come White Knighting in and imply that he agrees with her; that you have recently become a generally poor poster based on a whole two sentences - one of which is your response to Equanimity's sweeping bullshit...a response he hasn't even read properly.
Arnox, you've made it clear that you don't give a flying fuck whether Equanimity stirs up shit against one of the few active users you have here, it's Equanimity you'll actively and blindly side with. Should I fuck off now, rather than wait for the logical conclusion, i.e. this account being fucked over because I've upset your pet with another sentence she doesn't like and been drawn into this kind of bullshit?
You were warned this thin-skinned whiner didn't have the spine for the job but you just don't care, do you?
ITT the tranny mod and incompotent dick whipped admin want a free speech based site to be a hug box
"no don't point out our shitty actions" *tears*
ITT the tranny mod and incompotent dick whipped admin want a free speech based site to be a hug box
"no don't point out our shitty actions" *tears*
just pointing out the ironic irony of the whole thing
:tup:
I like how arnox tries to be a hardass about 'rules' but then when we were getting CP spammed he was all 'let it be'. I only saw him get a little miffed, one time, about the CP, but almost every day he is in here acting hard and being inflexible about rules minutia.
Pretty sure I started this thread a month ago.
Slave you sound like a whiney bitch - 'omg teh tranny insultId me and maenie ArNax is not dEfendor me ' ... '... cunt'
You find this enough to shit-smear me by declaring that generally I'm 'writing more about how everyone else sucks'.
You're directly implying that that's not all you do around here. And then you come back with some flames. :P
So you think that by responding with one insult, her argument that I have generally become a poor poster is proven and that you can ignore anything else that I've said regardless of whether it is true?EDIT: And oh my goodness, she really got to your head, didn't she?
No. You deciding to chip in and defend her with your simplistic reasoning is what's making me question whether this site is worth bothering with.
Actually, you've insulted her at least three times now. What I'm saying is, doing so doesn't help your argument.
Hey, if you wanna leave, go ahead. I'm actually kinda disappointed in you, Slave. I kept hearing really good things about you and you did seem like good poster to me...
...but then you get your panties in a twist so much when someone even somewhat disagrees with you that you consider leaving.
Pretty sure I started this thread a month ago.No.
Slave you sound like a whiney bitch - 'omg teh tranny insultId me and maenie ArNax is not dEfendor me ' ... '... cunt'
Our resident troll RisiR is part of the problem here - hes trolling in every single thread. Look at his number of posts - LOOK AT HIS POSTS - without Infinity stealing his spotlight hes just gone ape shit with the trolling.
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HOWEVER, keep in mind that most, if not all of the time, an admin (me included) will stand by a global moderator's decision. We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard. For more information on this subject, please see the stickied topic on Staffing Policies.
Do I need to explain to the Admin of this site what the function of B&M is? And do insults change the fact that in the first instance she was full of shit and that my assessment of her was fundamentally correct?
You, like her, have studiously avoided commenting on that and focused solely on my insults. No prizes for guessing why; essentially you've got no grounds on which to solidly rebutt the reasons why I called her a cunt.
With all due respect, why should I care in the slightest if you're disappointed? People who tell you 'really good things' about me have likely known me for the best part of ten years. You know next to nothing about me; your personal opinion of me has no significance.
And with regards to disappointment, Zok said almost the exact same thing to me 5 years ago. He is a proven idiot. I've seen the trajectory of failed administration in too prolonged and fine-a-detail as a staff member of both Totse and Zoklet to have the patience to watch it again. I suspect it will only be a matter of time before this account is fucked with in some fashion or another, over a pathetic 'infraction'. If a global mod can complain over a single sentence, then be defended by the site owner (as far as you can without making a fool of yourself) when they get ass-blasted, then the writing for the long-term is on the wall. If that happens I will leave in a heartbeat; to that end, and in spite of her claims to the contrary, I wouldn't put it past your beloved Equanimity to do what I've described.
Your userbase is essentially non-existent bar the few remaining dregs of Totse.
unless you change that environment
to suit your more weak and fragile staff thereby largely destroying the reason the bulk of your userbase come here in the first place. If you choose staff who go against your apparently conflict-avoidant character e.g. Spectral, Daguru, however much that may jar with you, they've got an infinitely better understanding, experience of and stomach for &T community dynamics than the likes of Equanimity, or you. You don't even know most of your userbase well enough with regards to modding them, which is why you chose her... she seemed 'nice' IIRC. Ha. Sly would be a better description.
But don't take me for an idiot who's blundering around and doesn't know what he's doing at all.I tried, man. I really did....
and she's not a complete dunce.
Do I need to explain to the Admin of this site what the function of B&M is? And do insults change the fact that in the first instance she was full of shit and that my assessment of her was fundamentally correct?
You, like her, have studiously avoided commenting on that and focused solely on my insults. No prizes for guessing why; essentially you've got no grounds on which to solidly rebutt the reasons why I called her a cunt.
You're complicating the matter immensely. She said you have a tendency to sling insults at some people. You directly implied you didn't, and I told you that you're kinda contradicting yourself.
Understanding and experience don't mean very much if you don't know how to connect the dots and apply that knowledge into proper action. Spectral sounds like he wants to ban half the site and DaGuru... Well, I don't know about him. However, he never really posts about anything besides site policy and the drama of the day. Not good signs.
Equanimity was modded not just because "she was nice", but because she was fair, professional, able to keep her cool, and seems to have a good understanding and belief of totse ideals, and she's not a complete dunce.
However, you sound pretty arrogant, presuming to know who should lead this site and carry on the legacy of totse and who shouldn't.
So you've been a mod for a long time. That's great but I want to direct your argument right back at you. You don't know me really. I may not have been on Zoklet or even the totse forums but I was heavily involved in totse2 which carried its own set of problems and community with it. I've been a staff member of a couple other small groups as well and I've seen a whole lot of online groups rise and fall over the years. I've talked to a lot of other admins and past admins about their experience and how things used to be done and what happened to the groups they were/are leading...
But I'm not going to say I'm the perfect admin for this site because I'm not at all. And I don't presume to be in the slightest. But don't take me for an idiot who's blundering around and doesn't know what he's doing at all.
Slave, I feel my statement was fair. I didn't go through your post history, and I'm not going to.
How can you be fair whilst not looking at the evidence?
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Equanimity was modded not just because "she was nice", but because she was fair, professional, able to keep her cool, and seems to have a good understanding and belief of totse ideals, and she's not a complete dunce.
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Slave, I feel my statement was fair. I didn't go through your post history, and I'm not going to.
How can you be fair whilst not looking at the evidence?
Clint Eastwood... John Wayne. They are all the same.....
Therefore my having an opinion on the Totse userbase and how to manage it hardly denotes arrogance,
regardless of how insecure it may make you feel.
Uh huh. How is totse2 working out these days?
Actually, before I answer that, I first want to ask you how Zoklet is working out these days?
Did he really just go there? Oh it's on! *cracks knuckles
Everyone wants to stubbornly believe she is even though she said a couple times already she isn't.
You're complicating the matter immensely. She said you have a tendency to sling insults at some people. You directly implied you didn't, and I told you that you're kinda contradicting yourself.
As I have said many times before, if she starts infracting unfairly, she will be demodded. However, I can see that assurance is not enough for you. In which case, I don't know what to say to you.
The small userbase isn't actually as bad as you think. A large userbase is a double-edged sword. As the community grows, it begins to become a serious problem to manage. One needs to keep promoting more and more to staff in order to keep up with the load which sometimes leads to bad staffing decisions which can very well lead to moderator abuse and subsequent massive drama. And if you take your time more to scope out good staff members, your current staff members probably won't be able to keep up with the rising load and some offending posts will slip through the cracks.
And not just this. As the forum grows, it begins to get more impersonal. Not all the way, mind you, but it begins to seem less like a tight-knit group and it begins to become more divided and cliquey as the userbase grows.
You mean change the rules to make them much more strict? This isn't going to happen. I'd rather shut down the site.
Understanding and experience don't mean very much if you don't know how to connect the dots and apply that knowledge into proper action. Spectral sounds like he wants to ban half the site and DaGuru... Well, I don't know about him. However, he never really posts about anything besides site policy and the drama of the day. Not good signs. Equanimity was modded not just because "she was nice", but because she was fair, professional, able to keep her cool, and seems to have a good understanding and belief of totse ideals, and she's not a complete dunce.
However, you sound pretty arrogant, presuming to know who should lead this site and carry on the legacy of totse and who shouldn't. So you've been a mod for a long time. That's great but I want to direct your argument right back at you. You don't know me really. I may not have been on Zoklet or even the totse forums but I was heavily involved in totse2 which carried its own set of problems and community with it. I've been a staff member of a couple other small groups as well and I've seen a whole lot of online groups rise and fall over the years. I've talked to a lot of other admins and past admins about their experience and how things used to be done and what happened to the groups they were/are leading...
But I'm not going to say I'm the perfect admin for this site because I'm not at all. And I don't presume to be in the slightest. But don't take me for an idiot who's blundering around and doesn't know what he's doing at all.
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Therefore my having an opinion on the Totse userbase and how to manage it hardly denotes arrogance,
It doesn't.regardless of how insecure it may make you feel.
But snide little remarks like this do. And in any case, I was talking about how you think you know me.
Uh huh. How is totse2 working out these days?
Actually, before I answer that, I first want to ask you how Zoklet is working out these days?
Obvious fed is obvious.
Seriously, what other reason is there for creating walls of text disagreeing with site staff while simultaneously doing nothing for the community in its current form, covertly vying for a staff position?
Uh huh. How is totse2 working out these days?
Actually, before I answer that, I first want to ask you how Zoklet is working out these days?
False analogy. I wasn't 'heavily involved' in anything related to the running of Zoklet.
Uh huh. How is totse2 working out these days?
Actually, before I answer that, I first want to ask you how Zoklet is working out these days?
False analogy. I wasn't 'heavily involved' in anything related to the running of Zoklet.
actually it fits rather well, because arnox had nothing to do with the running of totse2...
I just don't understand it... We never had this problem at totse2. Even when totse had first shut down, when everyone was devastated by its loss, we STILL did not do nearly the amount of complaining that has been going on lately. We were cool about it. We moved on and we had an awesome time with what we had. But I guess that's irrelevant now.
he was a mod there years ago, but from when I joined to when it closed, it was pretty much just ghost and easy running the place (into the ground). even the mods were mostly just around to clean up after all the tweakers and fanglekai
The best mods are the ones that, even though they're raging underneath, even though they're incredibly depressed or are feeling betrayed or perhaps even all of that, do not let it interfere in any way with the responsibility that they have. You also may not believe it but people do look up to the site staff as an example, even if it's only subconsciously. As such, they need to be a good example. Is it a tragedy that they let their anger show sometimes? No, but that leads into my second point.
Part of my job is deciding from among the userbase who would be a good mod. Who would be a good leader. And right now, I don't have very much to go off of when it comes to the Zoklet crowd. So, I have to make a decision with what sparse information I have or think I have. I have to analyze everything. And no matter who this equan person may have been in the past, during her time here, I have noticed that she has been active, nice, intelligent, easy-going, and hasn't ever flown off the handle at anyone here at all. I have discussed this with my staff and they have all agreed with me.
So with that in mind, when you guys tell me that this person is one of the most unfit people for modding, I think you'll understand me when I say that it's a little unbelievable to hear considering what I've seen so far.
I'm glad you brought out the "leadership" aspect as a requisite of being a mod, because it was always my belief mods should also be good if not great contributors most of the time when they do post. Since the entire purpose to a message board is to share information, give helpful advice, or at least give a thought provoking opinion....one would hope people that are modded have those necessary attributes.
But in Zek's case,exactly WHERE is all of that? 90% of the time his contribution(?) to a topic is some milquetoast one-liner, and usually its just emotional feel good tripe. Oh sure occasionally he'll make some comment about eating whatever food or "weapons are bad m'kay"....but you NEVER see Zek put up a paragraph or two of much of anything that is informative or thought provoking. Even as despised as I am because of my hard hitting truths about certain members....when I do post about regular topics at the end of the day I can give a sound, informative, and thought provoking opinion...even if you don't agree with it. But Zek comes out with nothing more than grade school babble, with a very simplistic mindset that doesn't show much of an adult outlook much less displaying any "leadership" quality.
Also, I would like to ask....you keep making this grandiose statement of..."this and this makes the BEST kind of moderator". Besides Zek or anyone else on Sanctuary staff, could you please give a couple of finite examples of past "best" moderators in your mind? Knowing you are unfamiliar with Zoklet, go back to Totse if you have to. Because in my mind, the "best ever" on Totse were Jackketch, Slave of the Beast, Arms Merchant, Angry Femme, and Spectral. ALL of these people displayed wonderful leadership qualities, had loads of entertaining contributions, but still had EMOTIONS in play....and could kick ass and takes names when they had to (with or without this dreaded "anger" directing their moderating abilities).
None of them came off as steady robots like you claim is an ideal quality, so I'm very curious to know some of the people you respected as being the "best" moderators you've seen in action.
I'm glad you brought out the "leadership" aspect as a requisite of being a mod, because it was always my belief mods should also be good if not great contributors most of the time when they do post. Since the entire purpose to a message board is to share information, give helpful advice, or at least give a thought provoking opinion....one would hope people that are modded have those necessary attributes.
I disagree, and I'm kind of puzzled as to why you see a modship as a position of prestige, because I've always seen you scorn any semblance of "e-rep" as empty baubles in the past.
If a mod is also a good poster, all the better, but the added value comes from his or her contribution, not the modship. The way I see it, it's the regular members that make a community. Mods are only there to ensure the forum does not get flooded with dribble, and that abusive conduct is swiftly dealt with.
A mod is like a referee: he does not join the game, but rather creates the optimal circumstances in which a game can be played.
Are you referring to me or DaGuru?Not you unless TDR's accusations that the both of you + -Spectral are the same person are true. :roll:
I would urge you to install the most bland, friendless, autistic bureaucrat you can find as a modMichael Myers (http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?action=profile;u=228) for mod! The alliteration alone should secure a shoo-in.
Are you referring to me or DaGuru?Not you unless TDR's accusations that the both of you + -Spectral are the same person are true. :roll:
Not you unless TDR's accusations that the both of you + -Spectral are the same person are true. :roll:
Considering this dolt is actually taking Rodent/Jedimoped half-brained theories as any foundation for his own observations(?)I am?
I swear, I'd ignore site politics entirely if not for my desire to help beat this into a functioning community.This sentence actually just stopped me from leaving. I think either outcome is kinda sad at this point though.
Just throwing this out there to all involved, your complaints about Arnox's site administration, and Equanimity's modding might carry more weight if it wasn't all mixed in with accusations of trannyisim, faggotry, and pussieness. Frankly, it makes you look like a bunch of whiny children. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not inclined to take seriously anyone who seems to be raging for the sake of raging.
Personally, I'm somewhat indifferent to Arnox, though he has my appreciation for creating this site. And I generally like what Equanimity has to say. That said, I did not see the alleged moderation failures that are being discussed, and am not weighing in those except in a meta way.
I swear, I'd ignore site politics entirely if not for my desire to help beat this into a functioning community.
Just throwing this out there to all involved, your complaints about Arnox's site administration, and Equanimity's modding might carry more weight if it wasn't all mixed in with accusations of trannyisim, faggotry, and pussieness. Frankly, it makes you look like a bunch of whiny children. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not inclined to take seriously anyone who seems to be raging for the sake of raging.
Personally, I'm somewhat indifferent to Arnox, though he has my appreciation for creating this site. And I generally like what Equanimity has to say. That said, I did not see the alleged moderation failures that are being discussed, and am not weighing in those except in a meta way.
I swear, I'd ignore site politics entirely if not for my desire to help beat this into a functioning community.
Fucking thank you.
Why do people get so wrapped up in site politics? Its stupid. I think equaminity is a good poster as well. You people are just bitching and moaning over nothing. We could turn this place around if it wasn't for threads like these.
Everyone should make an effort to contribute content to the site.
Drama and criticism are fine. It does make and save communities. The same tired drama and criticism ad nauseum nonstop for fucking weeks isn't. It kills them.
No fucking tact.
Drama and criticism are fine. It does make and save communities. The same tired drama and criticism ad nauseum nonstop for fucking weeks isn't. It kills them.
No fucking tact.
There is no incentive to contribute quality content when every thread devolves into a bitchfest. Period.
There is no incentive to contribute quality content when every thread devolves into a bitchfest. Period.
It should be noteworthy that I don't count shit threads as legitimate threads.There is no incentive to contribute quality content when every thread devolves into a bitchfest. Period.
If you think EVERY thread is turning into a bitchfest, either you are as blind as a bat, have a very demented agenda purposely misrepresenting things, or just a blithering nincompoop. You keep saying this time and time again...so which description fits?
D) All of the above?
There is no point in contributing. There is no benefit or reward in doing so. Anyone with any potential to make useful, viable content has been driven away by idiotic policies and behavior.
There is no incentive to contribute quality content when every thread devolves into a bitchfest. Period.
QuoteThere is no point in contributing. There is no benefit or reward in doing so. Anyone with any potential to make useful, viable content has been driven away by idiotic policies and behavior.
I disagree. Everyone can contribute quality information to the site. Just yesterday i posted a lot of information on how to beat the time release on the crush proof dilaudid, and other members helped me figure it out.
And they pull this incentive out of their asses amidst a constant bitchfest because...?
Do you know what a feedback loop is? What influences people's decisions? :o A multifactor iterated prisoner's dilemma with you would be a fucking nightmare.
Because they know that if they do, DaGuru et al start foaming at the mouth having week long conniptions.There is no incentive to contribute quality content when every thread devolves into a bitchfest. Period.They infract the stupidest shit but when there are posts made in serious threads that are fully off topic...nada. they dont even have the courtesy to delete the flagrant shit posts.
Eggzactly. And when the site staff shits all over the place and declares 'it doesnt stink...carry on'...that is what creates the environment of motivation.We're experiencing multiple types of bitching though.
The type of motivation not necessarily being positive
There is a type of poster who does not read the rules, or even does not know what they are, who posts for enjoyment because and because they get something out of it. Then we have rules lawyers, who make it a part-time job to interpret and challenge the expectations a user might have of the site. I've lurked and posted on many forums in the past, but I've never seen a community with so much dead weight. We have a disproportionate number of useless people who add little or nothing to the site in the way of meaningful content, and we have a much better chance at thriving if we protect ourselves from allowing them to shape our policies.
That's why you perma-ban these fucks. You limp wristed twats take it too easy on the shitposters.
If all you can talk about is how you hate it here, then fucking ban them. Honestly, what the fuck are you even losing? What are they losing? Nothing. You're both winning.
So fucking do it. :mad:
I don't hate it here.
I don't hate it here.
I don't hate it here.
Then why the fuck are you complaining?
Still watched apparently.
I've pointed out power abuse and unjust bans and infractions and then ridiculed the moderation because I figured out it's pointless to argue with the staff. I'm not really complaining, y'know.I don't hate it here.
Then why the fuck are you complaining?
I've pointed out power abuse and unjust bans and infractions and then ridiculed the moderation because I figured out it's pointless to argue with the staff. I'm not really complaining, y'know.I don't hate it here.
Then why the fuck are you complaining?
Do you know how many times bling has been banned? Trust me, he knows the score. He will get over it.
There is a type of poster who does not read the rules, or even does not know what they are, who posts for enjoyment because and because they get something out of it. Then we have rules lawyers, who make it a part-time job to interpret and challenge the expectations a user might have of the site. I've lurked and posted on many forums in the past, but I've never seen a community with so much dead weight. We have a disproportionate number of useless people who add little or nothing to the site in the way of meaningful content, and we have a much better chance at thriving if we protect ourselves from allowing them to shape our policies.
That's why you perma-ban these fucks. You limp wristed twats take it too easy on the shitposters.
If all you can talk about is how you hate it here, then fucking ban them. Honestly, what the fuck are you even losing? What are they losing? Nothing. You're both winning.
So fucking do it. :mad:
Not just bling. Those bastards banned Jesus. Yea... WTF.I've pointed out power abuse and unjust bans and infractions and then ridiculed the moderation because I figured out it's pointless to argue with the staff. I'm not really complaining, y'know.I don't hate it here.
Then why the fuck are you complaining?
Do you know how many times bling has been banned? Trust me, he knows the score. He will get over it. Don't act like a high-school freshman.
There is a type of poster who does not read the rules, or even does not know what they are, who posts for enjoyment because and because they get something out of it. Then we have rules lawyers, who make it a part-time job to interpret and challenge the expectations a user might have of the site. I've lurked and posted on many forums in the past, but I've never seen a community with so much dead weight. We have a disproportionate number of useless people who add little or nothing to the site in the way of meaningful content, and we have a much better chance at thriving if we protect ourselves from allowing them to shape our policies.
That's why you perma-ban these fucks. You limp wristed twats take it too easy on the shitposters.
If all you can talk about is how you hate it here, then fucking ban them. Honestly, what the fuck are you even losing? What are they losing? Nothing. You're both winning.
So fucking do it. :mad:
Who the hell are you talking to, CFL?
Just what do you mean, "you people"? :suspect:
And who are those so called "no-content fucks"?
You people want these no-content fucks gone? Make them gone. Everyone who has fun posting here will stay. Everyone that wants to follow DaGuru and Co out the door is welcome as fuck to leave. I don't want them here and they don't need to be here.
If someone is going to continually vocalize how they hate this place and don't want to be here, I think it is your duty to facilitate them GETTING THE FUCK OUT.
I'm doing my best to not go that route for multiple reasons.Which are? Out of pure curiosity, of course...
And who are those so called "no-content fucks"?
Most of you should head over to Bastard Factory and raise some heLL!
http://bastardfactory.net/forums
I invite U all!
And who are those so called "no-content fucks"?
All I can really think of is DaGuru. I honestly haven't bothered to read any of the mega threads, but he seems to be at the center of it all pretty much most of the time. Who else has posted the most in those 7+ page epics of failure?
"I honestly haven't bothered to read any of the mega threads, but I am going to pontificate as if I know what the fuck I am typing about.....My opinion is highly valued and I feel I know what is best, and I am going to let you all know about it...."He's lying. He did try, but halfway through the first page of DaGuru (a.k.a. one of his posts) he started having seizures, lost his vision, and has been on a slow path of recovery since.
And who are those so called "no-content fucks"?
All I can really think of is DaGuru. I honestly haven't bothered to read any of the mega threads, but he seems to be at the center of it all pretty much most of the time. Who else has posted the most in those 7+ page epics of failure?
"I honestly haven't bothered to read any of the mega threads, but I am going to pontificate as if I know what the fuck I am typing about.....My opinion is highly valued and I feel I know what is best, and I am going to let you all know about it...."
Do you know how many years I've been watching this shit? I don't need to read it at this point. I know what is being said. It's the same shit they always say. The only shit they say. Do I need to read 100,000 words of bad rhetoric AGAIN to hear the same points? No.
Do you know how many years I've been watching this shit? I don't need to read it at this point. I know what is being said. It's the same shit they always say. The only shit they say. Do I need to read 100,000 words of bad rhetoric AGAIN to hear the same points? No.
Any person whose majority of activity on this website is actively attacking or detracting from the site, should be shown the door immediately.
Do you know how many years I've been watching this shit? I don't need to read it at this point. I know what is being said. It's the same shit they always say. The only shit they say. Do I need to read 100,000 words of bad rhetoric AGAIN to hear the same points? No.
You are such a fucking bitch. Like a gossiping old woman, you feel the need to poke on in here and add your two cents, all the while looking down your fucking nose at all the 'plebes' who dare to voice an opinion that differs from yours. I...I don't even know what else to say about it, I am just astounded at your massive cognitive deficits.
There's no benefit in listening to someone's opinion if it is wrong. Different opinions are fine. I welcome those. It's people that are just out-and-out wrong that bother me.
There's no benefit in listening to someone's opinion if it is wrong. Different opinions are fine. I welcome those. It's people that are just out-and-out wrong that bother me.
and you are the arbiter of truth, I assume
In this matter I am.
In this matter I am.
I don't fucking like you
You people want these no-content fucks gone? Make them gone. Everyone who has fun posting here will stay. Everyone that wants to follow DaGuru and Co out the door is welcome as fuck to leave. I don't want them here and they don't need to be here.
If someone is going to continually vocalize how they hate this place and don't want to be here, I think it is your duty to facilitate them GETTING THE FUCK OUT.
We won't ban anyone simply because we don't like their attitude. If they aren't breaking the rules, they won't be banned. Although complaining all the time could indeed be classified as spam per site rules, I'm doing my best to not go that route for multiple reasons.
Which are? Out of pure curiosity, of course...
all will be saved.
all will be saved.
Technically I already have saved all of you. From Zoklet.
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You people want these no-content fucks gone? Make them gone. Everyone who has fun posting here will stay. Everyone that wants to follow DaGuru and Co out the door is welcome as fuck to leave. I don't want them here and they don't need to be here.
If someone is going to continually vocalize how they hate this place and don't want to be here, I think it is your duty to facilitate them GETTING THE FUCK OUT.
We won't ban anyone simply because we don't like their attitude. If they aren't breaking the rules, they won't be banned. Although complaining all the time could indeed be classified as spam per site rules, I'm doing my best to not go that route for multiple reasons.
This is what was done on Zoklet. Then -SpectraL made it his mission to cry about it every day until the site came down.
DaGuru et al start foaming at the mouth having week long conniptions.
Although complaining all the time could indeed be classified as spam per site rules, I'm doing my best to not go that route for multiple reasons.
And who are those so called "no-content fucks"?
All I can really think of is DaGuru. I honestly haven't bothered to read any of the mega threads, but he seems to be at the center of it all pretty much most of the time. Who else has posted the most in those 7+ page epics of failure?
"I honestly haven't bothered to read any of the mega threads, but I am going to pontificate as if I know what the fuck I am typing about.....My opinion is highly valued and I feel I know what is best, and I am going to let you all know about it...."
"har har, I'm a fucking moron who gets confused when there is more than one reply, but I'm going to cry, because I'm a little bitch and I want some attention." - Fixed...
I actually like Constantinople, but dude, lay off us shitposters!
To anyone who has a problem with shitposting, suck a dick. You want to try and act all high and mighty, like you're some sort of intellectual superior, yet you must be a fucking moron, because you can't even appreciate a little satire. Fucking retarded anal retentive virgins!
That partial sentence became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I rest my case.DaGuru et al start foaming at the mouth having week long conniptions.SpoilerThat simply is not true, and shows how little you know about me or my intentions. If anything, I think MORE shit-posting needs to be infracted....the actual gobbledy gook drivel that makes no sense. (read: not the staff's wrongful definition of what constitutes "spam" in their minds, stuff that hurts their feelings) In regard to bling bling, I'm of the opinion he should be corralled into only HB or perma-banned forever, because NOTHING he ever posts is coherent, topical, informative, or literate.
As for the Trust Fund Bitch aka. Constantinople.....wow, there are a ton of tears he's brought to the table. It's amusing how much adult discourse with REAL LIFE experiences refuting his empty and nonsensical rhetoric leaves him so agitated and intimidate....and how he wants people that are so clearly intellectually superior to be shown the door. He most certainly HAS been owned by myself and so many others on here refuting his mindless prattle, which is why his panties are now soiled by those tears and piss that is giving him so much discomfort.
I especially love his bold statement..."so and so's opinion is wrong!". ELL OH FUCKIN ELL @ an intellectually insecure nincompoop that is so lost in his sheltered world, he doesn't even know what the simple meaning of the word "opinion" is. Poor little Fundie, has a handful of users in a new community not used to his meager tripe and naive ramblings, and now he's trying to get rid of all the big bad mean adults that leave him flopping around like a dying fish out of water gasping for a few last seconds of life.
To anyone who has a problem with shitposting, suck a dick. You want to try and act all high and mighty, like you're some sort of intellectual superior, yet you must be a fucking moron, because you can't even appreciate a little satire. Fucking retarded anal retentive virgins!
True "Satire"....is like Spaceballs the movie. Its a farce, but still has legitimate dialogue, plot, and purpose.
Someone like Bling Bling however....isn't "satire", its just NOISE. It would be like taking the top rack out of a full dishwasher, and dropping all the contents on the floor and quantifying it as "communication". Nope, its just noise. Nothing more.
Bling is a solid contributor. We just need to get him posting his hilarious content in the proper forum!
Someone like Bling Bling however....isn't "satire", its just NOISE. It would be like taking the top rack out of a full dishwasher, and dropping all the contents on the floor and quantifying it as "communication". Nope, its just noise. Nothing more.
Daguru, what do you propose as a solution to all this sites problems?
Fuck formality.
Why do the mods refuse to let this shit be organic?
That partial sentence became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I rest my case.
Daguru, what do you propose as a solution to all this sites problems?
1) Pull the stick(or is it Zek's cock?) out of Arnox's ass.....so he can be a gracious, amicable, helpful and positive admin/poster again.....like he was for many weeks after the Zoklet merge.
2) Demod Zek, and forum restrict him only to HB and the Food Section.
3) Be heavier handed moderating the shit-posting idiocy, with the long term goal as building an adult informative/entertaining discussion board.
4) Moar newds
Fuck formality.
Why do the mods refuse to let this shit be organic?
"Sorry," she said, "I got out as fast as I could, but I had to stay and socialize. Protocol, you know."
"Explain protocol," Nell said. This was how she always talked to the Primer.
"At the place we're going, you need to watch your manners. Don't say 'explain this' or 'explain that.'"
"Would it impose on your time unduly to provide me with a concise explanation of the term protocol?" Nell said.
Again Rita made that nervous laugh and looked at Nell with an expression that looked like poorly concealed alarm.
The same could be said for all your posts. What do you contribute to the site other than crying because you dont like the way the site is run?
What will demodding zek do?
Fuck formality.
Why do the mods refuse to let this shit be organic?
"Sorry," she said, "I got out as fast as I could, but I had to stay and socialize. Protocol, you know."
"Explain protocol," Nell said. This was how she always talked to the Primer.
"At the place we're going, you need to watch your manners. Don't say 'explain this' or 'explain that.'"
"Would it impose on your time unduly to provide me with a concise explanation of the term protocol?" Nell said.
Again Rita made that nervous laugh and looked at Nell with an expression that looked like poorly concealed alarm.
Though I am a Stephenson fan, here in reality, we dispense with protocol in order to get shit done. That's how it works. You can either worry about BS, or get shit done.
Since paragraphs are such a heavy intellectual exercise for you, why exactly do you come to a message board that requires you to *gasp* read....and just go find Twitter or some silly chatroom?"requires"?
I've explained plenty how detrimental Zek is for the culture and growth of this site... with absolutely no evidence that Zek is even on the site. MOAR ANECDOTES!
The same could be said for all your posts. What do you contribute to the site other than crying because you dont like the way the site is run?
Look around dipshit....I contribute all over the place. Its not hard to click my profile and find threads I contribute to that don't have anything to do with scoffing at the hypocrisy of modding Zek which is completely contrary to Arnox's actual requisites.
Equanimity... Though I know you are a lapdog for Satan, you're talking about a group of people who go against the system. And, you want to impose BS policy upon us? Never! No PI, no CP, Other than that, the mod staff should get the fuck out of the way of genius and let this beast develop organically.
If all you can talk about is how you hate it here, then fucking ban them. Honestly, what the fuck are you even losing? What are they losing? Nothing. You're both winning
You people want these no-content fucks gone? Make them gone. Everyone who has fun posting here will stay. Everyone that wants to follow DaGuru and Co out the door is welcome as fuck to leave. I don't want them here and they don't need to be here.
If someone is going to continually vocalize how they hate this place and don't want to be here, I think it is your duty to facilitate them GETTING THE FUCK OUT.
I have never seen you make a post that was not bitching and rambling about the site.
QuoteIf all you can talk about is how you hate it here, then fucking ban them. Honestly, what the fuck are you even losing? What are they losing? Nothing. You're both winning
You people want these no-content fucks gone? Make them gone. Everyone who has fun posting here will stay. Everyone that wants to follow DaGuru and Co out the door is welcome as fuck to leave. I don't want them here and they don't need to be here.
If someone is going to continually vocalize how they hate this place and don't want to be here, I think it is your duty to facilitate them GETTING THE FUCK OUT.
This, pretty much.
How is the burden of proof on him if you're the one making the claim?
I have never seen you make a post that was not bitching and rambling about the site.
Then clearly you need to occasionally get out of B&M, and go explore other sections of this website....the whole purpose why most of the rest of us are actually here.
Again...
DaGuru >Profile>Show All Posts.
You. Are. Welcome. 8)
(http://i.imgur.com/ycys7ao.jpg)
I have never seen you make a post that was not bitching and rambling about the site.
Then clearly you need to occasionally get out of B&M, and go explore other sections of this website....the whole purpose why most of the rest of us are actually here.
Again...
DaGuru >Profile>Show All Posts.
You. Are. Welcome. 8)
(http://i.imgur.com/ycys7ao.jpg)
Hey equanimity, I bet you think that guy was a hero
How is the burden of proof on him if you're the one making the claim?
Current stats for DaGuru: (http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=288)QuoteHow is the burden of proof on him if you're the one making the claim?
Fucking this, seriously go look at his posts. They're all just babbling. Pages and pages of it, not one single post is informative at all.
Current stats for DaGuru: (http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=288)QuoteHow is the burden of proof on him if you're the one making the claim?
Fucking this, seriously go look at his posts. They're all just babbling. Pages and pages of it, not one single post is informative at all.
Bitch & Moan: 163 of this member's 466 posts. 34.98%
Another 121 (25.97%) in SG and 18 in NIMF. 48 and 35, in Help & Suggestions and News of the Sanctuary, the majority of which are also undoubtedly bitching.
The only real contribution I've seen was... in the... vibrator thread in Sex & Affection... :o
To be serious though Ninja, I think we're pretty lenient about this stuff. Moreso than Zoklet.
To be serious though Ninja, I think we're pretty lenient about this stuff. Moreso than Zoklet.
To be serious though Ninja, I think we're pretty lenient about this stuff. Moreso than Zoklet.
At zoklet they would move threads to the proper forum, rather than locking, NIMF'ing, and banning
This. I saw a thread "I CANT PEE" where Equanimity did just that, instead of simply moving it to the proper forum.
At zoklet they would move threads to the proper forum, rather than locking, NIMF'ing, and banning
Bitch & Moan: 163 of this member's 466 posts. 34.98%
Another 121 (25.97%) in SG and 18 in NIMF. 48 and 35, in Help & Suggestions and News of the Sanctuary, the majority of which are also undoubtedly bitching.
The only real contribution I've seen was... in the... vibrator thread in Sex & Affection... :o
At zoklet they would move threads to the proper forum, rather than locking, NIMF'ing, and banning
Depends who you were, and who you had pissed off. Here we try to treat everyone the same.
Lately I've been doing most of the NIMFing and locking. Simply moving is the preferred method, but I will generally not move posts into HB because HB is not a trash can. It's a quality forum with a specific purpose.
That's actually one thing I dislike about both here and zoklet (see: psychomantits). Things were trashcanned instead of put where they belonged. But people who repeatedly post in the wrong place should be infracted (even though the layout is bloated and they probably can't find the right sections to begin with).To be serious though Ninja, I think we're pretty lenient about this stuff. Moreso than Zoklet.At zoklet they would move threads to the proper forum, rather than locking, NIMF'ing, and banning
This. I saw a thread "I CANT PEE" where Equanimity did just that, instead of simply moving it to the proper forum.
So... you have nothing of substance to criticize, so you resort to ad hom. Kinda sad, really.
Bitch & Moan: 163 of this member's 466 posts. 34.98%
Another 121 (25.97%) in SG and 18 in NIMF. 48 and 35, in Help & Suggestions and News of the Sanctuary, the majority of which are also undoubtedly bitching.
The only real contribution I've seen was... in the... vibrator thread in Sex & Affection... :o
LOL! Its Saturday night, and while most of their peers are out partying, picking up women, enjoying the company of friends, or actually using the internet in a productive/fun manner.....I've got multiple people spending THEIR evening with deep analysis of my posting habits and dissecting my opinions with such scrutiny. Its flattering guys, it really is! 8)
Either you or Joe Camel wanna start carrying my luggage around for me? If you gonna cling to my nuts with this diligence and act like such a starstruck groupie...ya might as well be at least a little bit helpful. ;)
Maybe things are different here, and the modern HB crowd wouldn't mind.^Troof.
Even if they do think it's trash, threads can simply be left to die.
Ah... yeah, here's exactly why:
Back in the totse days, I posted mostly in HB. It was great. We were a pretty tight-knit group of outcasts and degenerates. But there were some mods (Meta, Arms) who hated us because sometimes we'd cause trouble. They would move threads into HB when they felt they belonged there, and those of us that actually posted there didn't appreciate it. Because we had our own thing going on, and we were decidedly not a trash can!
This resulted in some drama at times. HB mods would send the threads back to the "serious" forums and those mods would get pissed and cry to administration. Was a big mess.
Maybe things are different here, and the modern HB crowd wouldn't mind. It's just really hard for me to send threads there knowing how unappreciated and stuff we all felt for being treated like the place where garbage was sent.
I don't see it as normal that one would be so territorial about a forum that they view moving threads around to the proper place as some sort of intrusion. Moving threads to where they belong is not 'treating the place like where garbage is sent' or whatever....
That's where I grew up :(
This. I saw a thread "I CANT PEE" where Equanimity did just that, instead of simply moving it to the proper forum.
Ah... yeah, here's exactly why:
Back in the totse days, I posted mostly in HB. It was great. We were a pretty tight-knit group of outcasts and degenerates. But there were some mods (Meta, Arms) who hated us because sometimes we'd cause trouble. They would move threads into HB when they felt they belonged there, and those of us that actually posted there didn't appreciate it. Because we had our own thing going on, and we were decidedly not a trash can!
This resulted in some drama at times. HB mods would send the threads back to the "serious" forums and those mods would get pissed and cry to administration. Was a big mess.
Maybe things are different here, and the modern HB crowd wouldn't mind. It's just really hard for me to send threads there knowing how unappreciated and stuff we all felt for being treated like the place where garbage was sent.
This is a BS excuse to shitcan posts.
This is a BS excuse to shitcan posts.
Hey, I'm willing to do things differently if that's what everyone really wants.
Yes, I do believe that people want a forum where they can freely post without you being the arbiter on what is good or not.
The problem here is that if we don't do anything to prevent it, all of the forums would be full of irrelevant posts.
With this statement, are you saying that if you loosen your policy on locking and NIMF'ing posts, the forum will fill up with spam?
I have never read anything more ridiculous in my life.
You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
I just said that I am loosening my personal policy on locking and NIMFing posts. More threads made in SG and other areas will be left where they are and kept open. What I was saying was that if we did absolutely nothing (no mods!) the forum would likely fill up with spam and all the good posters would eventually leave.
You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
I think I do
The kidiot spammers and kidiot PI rats are exactly what killed both &Totse and Zoklet. And yet you've learned nothing from both experiences? You actually want to see yet another TTFN here? I find that mentality entirely unproductive, senseless and just plain wrong. We should be learning from the past, not making the same mistakes over and over and over again ad-nausem.
My opinion is that the unbridled banning and other mod "abuse" is what killed Zoklet.
My opinion is that the unbridled banning and other mod "abuse" is what killed Zoklet.
My opinion is that the unbridled banning and other mod "abuse" is what killed Zoklet.
That was also a huge part of it, but just as huge a part of it was the posting of utter attention-whoring garbage in thread after thread, year after year. People would come in and scroll through shit tons of utterly useless and uninteresting crap and even comment frequently about how truly shitty the "content" was. This business of minimizing what the kidiots did to our communities is also truly sad. To witness what they did not just once, but twice, and still sit there and deny the outright poisoning of the content with useless spam on both boards is just the height of ridiculous at this point. People would comment all the time about the terrible quality of the posts on both &Totse and Zoklet, and that's because they were jam packed with 12 year olds just looking for an ICQ-chat-Lite experience to satiate their own dumb asses. It wasn't about knowledge is power, it was about posting the most useless, uninteresting, illegible shit one could imagine.
whether that is true or not is irrelevant to me, because I am of the mind that 'post quality' is entirely subjective, and there is no one qualified to 'judge' others' posts without prejudice.
whether that is true or not is irrelevant to me, because I am of the mind that 'post quality' is entirely subjective, and there is no one qualified to 'judge' others' posts without prejudice.
Yeah. Let's perpetrate the same tired old song and dance that we don't know a worthless post from something worth reading. That'll do a lot of good. We'll just keep on pretending that it's all subjective. Like when you look down on your front lawn, see a fresh pile of dog turd, and proclaim it might be actually be a chocolate danish in someone's eyes. Somebody out there is gonna think that piece of fresh dog shit is a chocolate danish and will surely want to snatch that right up, so we'll leave it right there on the front lawn and we won't clean it up. Eventually, we'll have 500 "chocolate danishes to somebody" out there, the area will reek of shit, but we'll just ignore that in favor of what some dumb fuck out there might interpret the pile of dog shit as. Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it?
*shakes head sadly*
A place for everything, and everything in its place.
HB posts aren't "contentless garbage"; they're beautiful expressions of human creativity!
But the kidiots can't keep it in HB, that's the actual problem, and that's always been the actual problem. For example, before I became the bad guy (and what initially caused me to go on my rampages against kidiots and administration, incidentally), I used to be a major contributor in Science of the Damned. And then these HB kidiots started coming in and repeatedly ruining the spirit of the conversation there. Eventually, no one wanted to open up about anything on topic because they didn't want their well-thought-out contributions trampled on by mindless imbeciles who weren't there at all for paranormal conversation. They fucked over the entire forum eventually, and it was a great forum, and it didn't take long for them to empty it out either. And now you're saying it's alright? You know, that kind of mindset really, really pisses me off.
you're saying it's alright? You know, that kind of mindset really, really pisses me off.
you're saying it's alright? You know, that kind of mindset really, really pisses me off.
How am I saying its alright? Are you even reading what I post? I will summarize, just for clarity.
Two forums, HB and SG. Spam there. Nowhere else. Anyone posts spam threads in another forum? warn and move. It continues? infract and ban. /story.
Now, how does that equate to me 'saying its alright' when 'kidiots' fill a forum with 'shitposts'?
I read your posts carefully. You were trying to justify and excuse kidiots posting their crap, saying it's simply "a matter of perspective". It's not.
I read your posts carefully. You were trying to justify and excuse kidiots posting their crap, saying it's simply "a matter of perspective". It's not.
It is, but that has nothing to do with the 'solution' I proposed.
Here is a short example of the 'perspective' thing:
In a thread at zoklet, I was infracted for OT posting. The post was, in fact, wildly off topic, if one rigidly defines such as 'not pertaining to the OP'.
End of story, right?
No.
The post I was infracted for was replying to another post in the thread, and while my post was relevant to the post I was answering, it was technically 'OT'.
In your 'shitposting-free utopia', anyone going off on any tangent, or answering someone elses post in a thread, would potentially be considered 'OT' and 'spam' and 'shitposting', and depending on the moderator, the user would be 'disciplined' for the post in question.
Well thats the problem right there. We need it to be a place where "contentless garbage" is welcome.
Nobody is saying that's alright. The mods obviously failed to do their jobs. What we are saying is that there needs to be a place for that shit. But, apparently Equanimity doesn't want her precious HB soiled by it, even though that is where that shit was meant to be in the first place.
A place for everything, and everything in its place.
HB posts aren't "contentless garbage"; they're beautiful expressions of human creativity!
Well thats the problem right there. We need it to be a place where "contentless garbage" is welcome.Nobody is saying that's alright. The mods obviously failed to do their jobs. What we are saying is that there needs to be a place for that shit. But, apparently Equanimity doesn't want her precious HB soiled by it, even though that is where that shit was meant to be in the first place.
You misunderstand me.A place for everything, and everything in its place.
HB posts aren't "contentless garbage"; they're beautiful expressions of human creativity!
Bling is an example of a poster that posts beautiful things in HB. I love Bling in HB; great poster :)
Does this make more sense now?
Well thats the problem right there. We need it to be a place where "contentless garbage" is welcome.Nobody is saying that's alright. The mods obviously failed to do their jobs. What we are saying is that there needs to be a place for that shit. But, apparently Equanimity doesn't want her precious HB soiled by it, even though that is where that shit was meant to be in the first place.
You misunderstand me.A place for everything, and everything in its place.
HB posts aren't "contentless garbage"; they're beautiful expressions of human creativity!
Bling is an example of a poster that posts beautiful things in HB. I love Bling in HB; great poster :)
Does this make more sense now?
what is the definition of the words 'spurious' and 'generality'?
I read your posts carefully. You were trying to justify and excuse kidiots posting their crap, saying it's simply "a matter of perspective". It's not.
It is, but that has nothing to do with the 'solution' I proposed.
Here is a short example of the 'perspective' thing:
In a thread at zoklet, I was infracted for OT posting. The post was, in fact, wildly off topic, if one rigidly defines such as 'not pertaining to the OP'.
End of story, right?
No.
The post I was infracted for was replying to another post in the thread, and while my post was relevant to the post I was answering, it was technically 'OT'.
In your 'shitposting-free utopia', anyone going off on any tangent, or answering someone elses post in a thread, would potentially be considered 'OT' and 'spam' and 'shitposting', and depending on the moderator, the user would be 'disciplined' for the post in question.
In this sense?
2) (of a line of reasoning) apparently but not actually valid.
generality
1)a statement or principle having general rather than specific validity or force.
Well thats the problem right there. We need it to be a place where "contentless garbage" is welcome.Nobody is saying that's alright. The mods obviously failed to do their jobs. What we are saying is that there needs to be a place for that shit. But, apparently Equanimity doesn't want her precious HB soiled by it, even though that is where that shit was meant to be in the first place.
You misunderstand me.A place for everything, and everything in its place.
HB posts aren't "contentless garbage"; they're beautiful expressions of human creativity!
Bling is an example of a poster that posts beautiful things in HB. I love Bling in HB; great poster :)
Does this make more sense now?
Exactly. This isn't reddit. You don't get to branch threads off of someone else's comment, that's how intent and purpose is lost.
Half Baked started out literally as the Trash Can, but people started living in it. It was created specifically to be &Totse's garbage dump. The majority of the staff of the day decided that they would hold the little hands of the little spammers and, instead of addressing the issue with proper moderation and due punishments, move all the kidiot posts to the Trash Can (Half Baked). A dumb, bandaid workaround solution which cascaded into a complete failure of the entire BBS. Spurious Generalities was the forum you posted in if it didn't fit into the Generally Speaking forum.
Half Baked started out literally as the Trash Can, but people started living in it. It was created specifically to be &Totse's garbage dump. The majority of the staff of the day decided that they would hold the little hands of the little spammers and, instead of addressing the issue with proper moderation and due punishments, move all the kidiot posts to the Trash Can (Half Baked). A dumb, bandaid workaround solution which cascaded into a complete failure of the entire BBS. Spurious Generalities was the forum you posted in if it didn't fit into the Generally Speaking forum.
In other words HB is one of the most popular sub-forums and a strong reason just as any for members to revisit the site.
In other words HB is one of the most popular sub-forums and a strong reason just as any for members to revisit the site.
In this sense?
2) (of a line of reasoning) apparently but not actually valid.
generality
1)a statement or principle having general rather than specific validity or force.
I wasn't asking you, but yeah, exactly....so what is the difference between a forum called 'spurious generalities' and one called 'half baked'? One is for posting bullshit and the other for posting nonsense, or what? What is the reasoning behind the nomenclature, and what is the criteria for determining which forum a post belongs to?
This thread is stickied now, lol.
Just going out on a limb here... If HB started out as the trash pile, and evolved into it's own community (which clearly wouldn't have happened if not for an unmet need), then maybe it's time for a new trash pile. Call the subforum The Round File or something. Then again, maybe NIMF is supposed to be serving that purpose, but people sure don't seem happy with the current arrangement.
Or better yet, how about we simply boot all the Half Baked retard 12 year olds clear off this webspace, permanently? It's already been done twice your way, and all we got out of it is two TTFNs. Are we now trying for a third site closure? Is that the real mission statement here? To have the site overrun by mindless retards yet again?
Or better yet, how about we simply boot all the Half Baked retard 12 year olds clear off this webspace, permanently? It's already been done twice your way, and all we got out of it is two TTFNs. Are we now trying for a third site closure? Is that the real mission statement here? To have the site overrun by mindless retards yet again?
you need a private forum where all 'kidiots' are banned and you and the other 'quality posters' can post to each other all day and night in peace, and every post will just glow with knowledge and understanding and everyone in the circle will ejaculate at the same time and it will fall upon you all like rain
faggots
Yet another duck and dive. This about the kidiots, not about the better posters. The way we "handle" things now, the kidiots are basically free to post people's PI again and again with slaps on the wrist, make sock puppets at will to continue doing that, ruin good threads with mindless drivel, flood threads.. the list goes on and on. Do the better posters do that? No, they don't. And that's why we're talking about the kidiots, not the better posters. You got all that, kid?
Yet another duck and dive. This about the kidiots, not about the better posters. The way we "handle" things now, the kidiots are basically free to post people's PI again and again with slaps on the wrist, make sock puppets at will to continue doing that, ruin good threads with mindless drivel, flood threads.. the list goes on and on. Do the better posters do that? No, they don't. And that's why we're talking about the kidiots, not the better posters. You got all that, kid?
you may be right about alot of this stuff but the reality is that you can either have a thriving, active forum full of 'kidiots', or you can have a near-empty place where a few 'quality posters' talk to each other across an empty void, waiting sometimes a day or more for a thread reply. Like it or not, these 'kidiots' attract traffic, and tons of people come here just to read the antics. You just can't police post quality without damn near emptying the place.
Momentary satisfaction. That's all it ends up as being. Sure, you get some immediate benefit, and then people start catching on that it's just a boring, uninteresting shit dump. At the end of Zoklet's life. many users where complaining about the kidiots. And I don't mean just one or two. I mean the majority of the regulars were honestly upset by the kidiot takeover. Many left in droves because of it. So it was all fun and games for awhile, but it got old fast. And that's exactly what will happen here. It'll still get emptied out, only it will take awhile before it happens. And it will happen. At least with just a handful of honest contributors you'll always have the BBS and there will always be a chance of bringing in more honest posters. Not so in taking the alternate approach of handholding and coddling the kidiots. Two TTFNs later and you people are still scratching your heads trying to "figure this out"? Enough talk and debate and discussion. Now it's time for action. If you want to keep the webspace alive, you better fight for it now, because there will come a day when the place will be forced to close if you let the kidiots overrun the place. I guaranteed that way back in 2009 on Zoklet, and that's exactly what happened. I said the exact same thing then as I'm saying now, but few would listen. All they could think about was the immediate, momentary flux of traffic. They didn't really care about the community. And look where that mentality got them? Some people just never learn.
These days it seems the most successful forums are very specialized. I post on a nutrition/fitness board that gets more traffic than Zoklet ever did.
And the posts there are by and large full of good content.
Well, we don't want that kind of community here. We want spammers and flooders and PI/CP droppers, and we're gonna give them slaps on the wrists with 3-day bans while coddling them and providing them full rights just the same as any honest contributor, because we're bleeding heart, self-centered, useless fuckups who's only care is quantity over quality. We want to you to allow the kidiots to overrun the place under the banner of free speech, thank you very much.
Perhaps we should reach out to other websites though and see if we can't integrate a little with them to draw some quality posters from there to here.