I am so fucking tired of you faggots constantly complaining about the site

[Slave of the Beast]

Therefore my having an opinion on the Totse userbase and how to manage it hardly denotes arrogance,

It doesn't.

regardless of how insecure it may make you feel.

But snide little remarks like this do. And in any case, I was talking about how you think you know me.

I never said I know you. I'm commenting on your actions thus far as an Admin. Specifically, you modding a vacuous idiot on the basis of the erroneous qualities you ascribe to her.

Uh huh. How is totse2 working out these days?

Actually, before I answer that, I first want to ask you how Zoklet is working out these days?

False analogy. I wasn't 'heavily involved' in anything related to the running of Zoklet.

Obvious fed is obvious.

Seriously, what other reason is there for creating walls of text disagreeing with site staff while simultaneously doing nothing for the community in its current form, covertly vying for a staff position?

Are you referring to me or DaGuru?

[aldra]

Uh huh. How is totse2 working out these days?

Actually, before I answer that, I first want to ask you how Zoklet is working out these days?

False analogy. I wasn't 'heavily involved' in anything related to the running of Zoklet.

actually it fits rather well, because arnox had nothing to do with the running of totse2...

[Slave of the Beast]

Uh huh. How is totse2 working out these days?

Actually, before I answer that, I first want to ask you how Zoklet is working out these days?

False analogy. I wasn't 'heavily involved' in anything related to the running of Zoklet.

actually it fits rather well, because arnox had nothing to do with the running of totse2...

Then I'd love to hear his definition of 'heavily involved', seeing as he cited heavy involvement in totse2 as part of his experience of online communities. No that I think experience with totse2 is particularly useful in dealing with what's left of the original pre-closure totse crowd here.

Did he just post there every now-and-again?

[aldra]

he was a mod there years ago, but from when I joined to when it closed, it was pretty much just ghost and easy running the place (into the ground). even the mods were mostly just around to clean up after all the tweakers and fanglekai

[Slave of the Beast]

I just don't understand it... We never had this problem at totse2. Even when totse had first shut down, when everyone was devastated by its loss, we STILL did not do nearly the amount of complaining that has been going on lately. We were cool about it. We moved on and we had an awesome time with what we had. But I guess that's irrelevant now.

he was a mod there years ago, but from when I joined to when it closed, it was pretty much just ghost and easy running the place (into the ground). even the mods were mostly just around to clean up after all the tweakers and fanglekai

Ah, thank you, the picture is becoming a little clearer now

[DaGuru]

Relevant to this current discussion, and bringing back up because Arnox conveniently ignored my question in the other thread......

http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2672.msg34613#msg34613

The best mods are the ones that, even though they're raging underneath, even though they're incredibly depressed or are feeling betrayed or perhaps even all of that, do not let it interfere in any way with the responsibility that they have. You also may not believe it but people do look up to the site staff as an example, even if it's only subconsciously. As such, they need to be a good example. Is it a tragedy that they let their anger show sometimes? No, but that leads into my second point.

Part of my job is deciding from among the userbase who would be a good mod. Who would be a good leader. And right now, I don't have very much to go off of when it comes to the Zoklet crowd. So, I have to make a decision with what sparse information I have or think I have. I have to analyze everything. And no matter who this equan person may have been in the past, during her time here, I have noticed that she has been active, nice, intelligent, easy-going, and hasn't ever flown off the handle at anyone here at all. I have discussed this with my staff and they have all agreed with me.

So with that in mind, when you guys tell me that this person is one of the most unfit people for modding, I think you'll understand me when I say that it's a little unbelievable to hear considering what I've seen so far.

I'm glad you brought out the "leadership" aspect as a requisite of being a mod, because it was always my belief mods should also be good if not great contributors most of the time when they do post. Since the entire purpose to a message board is to share information, give helpful advice, or at least give a thought provoking opinion....one would hope people that are modded have those necessary attributes.

But in Zek's case,exactly WHERE is all of that? 90% of the time his contribution(?) to a topic is some milquetoast one-liner, and usually its just emotional feel good tripe. Oh sure occasionally he'll make some comment about eating whatever food or "weapons are bad m'kay"....but you NEVER see Zek put up a paragraph or two of much of anything that is informative or thought provoking. Even as despised as I am because of my hard hitting truths about certain members....when I do post about regular topics at the end of the day I can give a sound, informative, and thought provoking opinion...even if you don't agree with it. But Zek comes out with nothing more than grade school babble, with a very simplistic mindset that doesn't show much of an adult outlook much less displaying any "leadership" quality.

Also, I would like to ask....you keep making this grandiose statement of..."this and this makes the BEST kind of moderator". Besides Zek or anyone else on Sanctuary staff, could you please give a couple of finite examples of past "best" moderators in your mind? Knowing you are unfamiliar with Zoklet, go back to Totse if you have to. Because in my mind, the "best ever" on Totse were Jackketch, Slave of the Beast, Arms Merchant, Angry Femme, and Spectral. ALL of these people displayed wonderful leadership qualities, had loads of entertaining contributions, but still had EMOTIONS in play....and could kick ass and takes names when they had to (with or without this dreaded "anger" directing their moderating abilities).

None of them came off as steady robots like you claim is an ideal quality, so I'm very curious to know some of the people you respected as being the "best" moderators you've seen in action.

Let's see if Arnox conveniently ignores those questions a second time....

[Drusus]

Hello Arnox. I'm not one to usually give unsollicited advice, but I've been on Totse/Zoklet since 2005, too, and this... thing that was once Totse, while now only a shrivelled shell, still has some sentimental value to me. I'd hate to see this site go down the shitter, too.

My advice? Just mod someone who was not a contested figure on either Totse or Zoklet. Demod Zek, but do not install a mod from the SpecGuru camp to replace her. It's not even a question of whether these people (from both camps) have the right qualities to mod. Moderating a small to medium-sized forum like Sanctuary doesn't exactly require a PhD: I'm sure you can find other suitable candidates. The problem with all these posters I just mentioned is that they are just too divisive; they will split the forum into two camps that are capable of nothing more than slinging shit at each other. Surely everyone agrees that nobody wants that.

Also I would like to add that DaGuru does raise a fair point: you should grow some fucking balls. Maybe you're an insecure virgin in real life, the type that looks rather awkardly at his own feet when someone is bossing him around. But this is the internet.  This is your fucking forum. You're supposed to define what this site is about. Mods are just your enforcers.

Given this, I would urge you to install the most bland, friendless, autistic bureaucrat you can find as a mod, someone who is neither liked nor disliked by anyone, someone without an agenda of his own, and who is loyal only to you and this site's rules. Either that, or start banning people. I would prefer option one, since this forum is already hanging by a thread, but the point I'm trying to make is that you have to do something to install a semblance of order and a consensus about staff policy, so you can at least try to build an active community.

[Drusus]

I'm glad you brought out the "leadership" aspect as a requisite of being a mod, because it was always my belief mods should also be good if not great contributors most of the time when they do post. Since the entire purpose to a message board is to share information, give helpful advice, or at least give a thought provoking opinion....one would hope people that are modded have those necessary attributes.

I disagree, and I'm kind of puzzled as to why you see a modship as a position of prestige, because I've always seen you scorn any semblance of "e-rep" as empty baubles in the past.

If a mod is also a good poster, all the better, but the added value comes from his or her contribution, not the modship. The way I see it, it's the regular members that make a community. Mods are only there to ensure the forum does not get flooded with dribble, and that abusive conduct is swiftly dealt with.
A mod is like a referee: he does not join the game, but rather creates the optimal circumstances in which a game can be played.

[DaGuru]

I disagree, and I'm kind of puzzled as to why you see a modship as a position of prestige, because I've always seen you scorn any semblance of "e-rep" as empty baubles in the past.

If a mod is also a good poster, all the better, but the added value comes from his or her contribution, not the modship. The way I see it, it's the regular members that make a community. Mods are only there to ensure the forum does not get flooded with dribble, and that abusive conduct is swiftly dealt with.
A mod is like a referee: he does not join the game, but rather creates the optimal circumstances in which a game can be played.

It has nothing to do at all with "prestige", instead the concept of moderator SHOULD be a good if not great poster first. And not with the ideology of "ok we are going to reward this good poster and give him a mod position".....instead looking at the bigger picture of trying to build a thriving website and have a beacon/example of "what this place is about".

To me Jackketch on Totse was a great example of that. Because of all the life experiences and weird deviant behaviors he shared, there was no better a person to mod over there.....especially in S &A. Leading by example. He was an INTERESTING person/poster first and foremost, "being a mod" was just a small slice of who and what he was.

Its like a flock following the shepherd. If you have a mod or bunch of mods that are immature, have little life experience, usually post just one-liners of silly idiocy, and little to no real world knowledge or stories to share....then that IS exactly the kind of userbase you'll attract/retain as time goes on.

Now granted, some may interpret that as me being an advocate for modding older members (chronological age, not posting years).....all because I'm middle aged myself and it sounds like I have an agenda,  but nothing could be further from the truth. It really is just Common Sense 101....in most organizations in this world you usually have the most experienced/most dynamic personalities in a leadership position. Whether as a VP of whatever company, or the elders of a tribe in deepest darkest Africa.....there is a "guidance" and "endgame" along with that leadership that gives some sense of direction and example of where the rest of the people are expected to be, and what they are all striving for in the bigger picture.

[Umbrella Corp]

So much melodrama on here.  If Intosanctuary was a relationship I'd say file the divorce under irreconcilable differences.  If this was a TV show it'd be a lifetime original and I wouldn't be watching.

Everybody has good points, about different things.  Can't we agree to disagree?  I feel like this site has made no progress since the day everybody migrated over.

Honestly, as a zoklet n00b, objectively, it is the past that is the rotting heart right now.  All the past associations, vitriol, n hurt butts from Zoklet that keep this place active but also turn off new members.  This shit needs to cool off so that Intosanctuary can move on, create it's own identity, and begin providing quality... whatever it is that intosanctuary provides.

[equanimity]

Everything will turn out alright.

[Vulture]

Are you referring to me or DaGuru?

Not you unless TDR's accusations that the both of you + -Spectral are the same person are true.

I would urge you to install the most bland, friendless, autistic bureaucrat you can find as a mod

Michael Myers for mod! The alliteration alone should secure a shoo-in.

[Slave of the Beast]

Are you referring to me or DaGuru?

Not you unless TDR's accusations that the both of you + -Spectral are the same person are true.

Haha, that's a level beyond exchanging bodily fluids; I like them but not that much. 

[DaGuru]

Not you unless TDR's accusations that the both of you + -Spectral are the same person are true.

Considering this dolt is actually taking Rodent/Jedimoped half-brained theories as any foundation for his own observations(?) speaks volumes of his intellect and social awareness(?) in this world. Everything he said in that post from implying I'm a fed or or not contributing to real discussion and especially vying for a mod spot couldn't be any more backwards if he tried. Keep on trolling Vulture, you are sooooooo good at it. *giggles*

[Vulture]

Considering this dolt is actually taking Rodent/Jedimoped half-brained theories as any foundation for his own observations(?)

I am?

Re-ban plz.