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Site Discussion => News of the Sanctuary => Topic started by: Arnox on October 22, 2014, 03:06:32 pm
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Is NOT against the rules UNLESS it's blatant derailing such as the following.
"Have you guys ever gone snowboarding before?"
"I like whipped cream LOL."
This however is normal conversation flow.
"I really like pizza."
"Especially ones with pepperoni toppings."
"I think pepperoni's pretty gross..."
And etc. Now some mods have been deleting replies from Obbe's topic on his claim that they're derailing the thread constantly. I don't have the time right now to sort through every single response that was deleted so his claim may be legit. It may not be. Either way, all this tomfoolery ends now.
Staff, do not delete posts even if they're blatant derailings. Just infract the persons if they are doing so and move on.
Oh, and BTW, it wasn't equanimity that deleted all those posts, guys, believe it or not.
Thank you.
EDIT: This is NOT a staff reprimand at all. Actually, this is merely me telling you guys now that deleting posts is no longer how we do things now. I'll have to rewrite that infraction thread TBH... It's all my fault. I'm sorry for the confusion. And I posted this publicly because people need to know that we will not delete posts now (as obbe and others were requesting all the time) merely because they're derailing. This is two birds with one stone.
Sorry if it sounded like that. I was in a hurry to get this out. Once again, I am NOT disappointed in the staff at all. You guys were merely doing what you were told. Nothing more.
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Move this to the Staff Complaint thread. Nobody gives a shit about your crying.
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if a post is about a specific information type/discussion and someone drives the conversation to about how guns are banned that is off topic posting Arnox it's how threads get shitted up and don't have an easily follow-able subject
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So this is what you go and make a whole thread about, my dispute with another user about off topic posts.
Let it be known that I didn't complain to any staff about this, in spite of how arnox makes me look by making a whole big thread about this small matter best handled between two users.
Or is this more an effort to shut obbe up because he is crying to staff about me being 'abusive' or whatever tattletale bullshit he can come up with?
Don't you think there are other subjects you can devote whole threads to, like our discontent with the complaint process, spotty moderation 'enforcement', staff acting against each other and the administration (if you guys can't even agree on a policy for off topic posts, thats fucked), and other 'complaints' more worthy of your time and energy?
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Now some mods have been deleting replies from Obbe's topic on his claim that they're derailing the thread constantly. I don't have the time right now to sort through every single response that was deleted so his claim may be legit. It may not be. Either way, all this tomfoolery ends now.
Staff, do not delete posts even if they're blatant derailings. Just infract the persons if they are doing so and move on.
That's a staff complaint outside of the Official thread. Infract yourself and move this shit to the Official Staff Trashcan Thread.
*REPORTED*
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it wasn't equanimity that deleted all those posts, guys, believe it or not.
"believe it or not"?
Are you subtly insulting and undermining your own staff? Jesus.
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That's a staff complaint outside of the Official thread. Infract yourself and move this shit to the Official Staff Trashcan Thread.
*REPORTED*
I ain't gonna last much longer here, so get your fun in now.
Arnox will not abide me for long, he has no idea what a motherfucker I can be, just with words alone.
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That's a staff complaint outside of the Official thread. Infract yourself and move this shit to the Official Staff Trashcan Thread.
*REPORTED*
I ain't gonna last much longer here, so get your fun in now.
Arnox will not abide me for long, he has no idea what a motherfucker I can be, just with words alone.
:cosby:
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"I like whipped cream LOL."
I have some on my nipples. Come lick it off
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That's a staff complaint outside of the Official thread. Infract yourself and move this shit to the Official Staff Trashcan Thread.
*REPORTED*
I ain't gonna last much longer here, so get your fun in now.
Arnox will not abide me for long, he has no idea what a motherfucker I can be, just with words alone.
Stfu nigger...and leave your mother alone
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Now some mods have been deleting replies from Obbe's topic on his claim that they're derailing the thread constantly. I don't have the time right now to sort through every single response that was deleted so his claim may be legit. It may not be. Either way, all this tomfoolery ends now.
Staff, do not delete posts even if they're blatant derailings. Just infract the persons if they are doing so and move on.
That's a staff complaint outside of the Official thread. Infract yourself and move this shit to the Official Staff Trashcan Thread.
*REPORTED*
Bump.
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It was me who did the unjust moderating. They violated Rule #1, specifically this part:
"This means posts that are not relevant or do not add anything at all to the thread or the discussion in it."
The posts in question were not relevant, and did not add to the discussion. If anything, they detracted from the discussion and caused back-and-forth bickering.
Arnox, I am disappointed by this thread. Though I appreciate you trying to clear things up for the userbase, it is not a good leadership quality to publicly reprimand someone or discuss staff affairs. That's why you have your hidden forums for staff only. Or you could PM me about it. Instead, you decide make a thread in the official News of the Sanctuary forum, highlighting the poor choices of just one moderator. Don't waste everyone else's time with this.
Since staff affairs and disputes are now publicly discussed, let's review your Official Moderating Policies. This is how you would like us to handle violations of Rule #1:
"Rule 1: Flooding the site is an automatic permaban. Ban and hard delete all spammed posts. Anything else though, give 'em a warning."
I didn't think it warranted an infraction, but it looks like we are handing those out like candy now. Since it wasn't true spam (it was just not relevant), I didn't hard delete the posts. Feel free to restore them from the Recycle Bin.
Thanks for clearing it up for everyone, boss. You might want to update your rules so they are less ambiguous.
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It was me who did the unjust moderating. They violated Rule #1, specifically this part:
"This means posts that are not relevant or do not add anything at all to the thread or the discussion in it."
The posts in question were not relevant, and did not add to the discussion. If anything, they detracted from the discussion and caused back-and-forth bickering.
Arnox, I am disappointed by this thread. Though I appreciate you trying to clear things up for the userbase, it is not a good leadership quality to publicly reprimand someone or discuss staff affairs. That's why you have your hidden forums for staff only. Or you could PM me about it. Instead, you decide make a thread in the official News of the Sanctuary forum, highlighting the poor choices of just one moderator. Don't waste everyone else's time with this.
Since staff affairs and disputes are now publicly discussed, let's review your Official Moderating Policies. This is how you would like us to handle violations of Rule #1:
"Rule 1: Flooding the site is an automatic permaban. Ban and hard delete all spammed posts. Anything else though, give 'em a warning."
I didn't think it warranted an infraction, but it looks like we are handing those out like candy now. Since it wasn't true spam (it was just not relevant), I didn't hard delete the posts. Feel free to restore them from the Recycle Bin.
Thanks for clearing it up for everyone, boss. You might want to update your rules so they are less ambiguous.
You should know better seeing how he acted with both you and Edify in the past and it's one of my biggest gripes about his admining
this entire thread only puts weight behind my assertion that Arnox treats user and staff poorly because he doesn't know what he's doing
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Also why aren't you making big news post threads when Equiwhateverthefuckitis moves threads and infracts people on a semi regular basis and you have people demanding around 30 fucking pages of answers
you have no idea what the professionalism you preach even is
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if a post is about a specific information type/discussion and someone drives the conversation to about how guns are banned that is off topic posting Arnox it's how threads get shitted up and don't have an easily follow-able subject
Anyone can bring the topic back to what the OP was talking about by giving their own views/contribution to it. To start monitoring conversations to make sure they stay perfectly on-topic would only hamper and restrict normal conversation flow. However, the trolling can get pretty annoying...
about this small matter best handled between two users.
There's actually confusion apparently as to what is blatant derailing and what is natural topic flow. Oh, and this "small matter" has led to a WHOLE lot of posts getting deleted by staff. Not good.
Are we always insulting and undermining your own staff?
Fixed. And yep. You guys do.
That's a staff complaint outside of the Official thread. Infract yourself and move this shit to the Official Staff Trashcan Thread.
*REPORTED*
We heard your dumb joke the first time. Thanks.
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Arnox, I am disappointed by this thread. Though I appreciate you trying to clear things up for the userbase, it is not a good leadership quality to publicly reprimand someone or discuss staff affairs. That's why you have your hidden forums for staff only. Or you could PM me about it. Instead, you decide make a thread in the official News of the Sanctuary forum, highlighting the poor choices of just one moderator.
Beautiful. :tup:
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You should know better seeing how he acted with both you and Edify in the past and it's one of my biggest gripes about his admining
this entire thread only puts weight behind my assertion that Arnox treats user and staff poorly because he doesn't know what he's doing
Meh, no need to blame him. I suggested yesterday (in one of the hidden staff forums) that he demod edify due to inactivity. I suppose I should have put that suggestion in Help and Suggestions so you guys could be part of the discussion.
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It wasn't a joke you fucking Mormon. You are breaking your own rules again.
Why are you so retarded?
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That isn't a normal flow in a specialized thread if a thread is about one specific topic it needs to be about one specific topic otherwise the information becomes muddied and unclear
I used that as an example because t's how I ran W&C on T2 people were allowed to make their own threads about their own beliefs but it gets in the way of direct flow of information to turn an objectively factual thread into one where people are debating ideologies it was a way I ran that section with 0 complaints and threads that consisted of good discussion even the anti gun and opposing viewpoint threads that were posted
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I don't have the time right now to sort through every single response that was deleted so his claim may be legit. It may not be. Either way, all this tomfoolery ends now.
And this is why you are losing more and more respect from the userbase and your own staff the more time goes on. Because instead of "taking the time" to getting your facts in order....you acted completely out of impulse and emotion...totally contrary to your own requisites of having "serious" and "capable" staff members. Not so cool, calm, and collected like you try to portray to the masses, huh Arnox?
The point is, this is just the most RECENT case of you whining about "not having time" or "didn't read all of it" or some other petty excuse for your drive-by decision making. You aren't even TRYING to appease common sense or some sense of reason...just coming up with impulsive decisions based on knee-jerk emotion. You are blowing it Arnox, this whole place is going right to hell....and you aren't even make a sincere or competent attempt any more. Inside that naive head of yours is the thought process..."it's my place and I can do what I want'. Well, the more you cling to that ego and the rhetoric it spews, you are going to have fewer users to worry about and eventually only have YOURSELF to talk to...and eventually blame.
The only "tomfoolery" going on here is your actions and your attitudes the past several weeks. You are acting like a spastic, spoiled and entitled child....and despite how many people are trying to point you in the right direction, you still continue to ignore them and fuck all of this up.
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You should know better seeing how he acted with both you and Edify in the past and it's one of my biggest gripes about his admining
this entire thread only puts weight behind my assertion that Arnox treats user and staff poorly because he doesn't know what he's doing
Meh, no need to blame him. I suggested yesterday (in one of the hidden staff forums) that he demod edify due to inactivity. I suppose I should have put that suggestion in Help and Suggestions so you guys could be part of the discussion.
I wasn't referring to him being demoded I'm referring to how he actively belittled him in front of the entire user base it's the reason he has been inactive in the first place although maybe I can assume you were on your hiatus at that point
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publicly reprimand someone or discuss staff affairs.
Woah. This is NOT a reprimand at all. Actually, this is merely me telling you guys now that deleting posts is no longer how we do things now. I'll have to rewrite that infraction thread TBH... It's all my fault. I'm sorry for the confusion. And I posted this publicly because people need to know that we will not delete posts now (as obbe and others were requesting all the time) merely because they're derailing. This is two birds with one stone.
Sorry if it sounded like that. I was in a hurry to get this out. Once again, I am NOT disappointed in the staff at all. You guys were merely doing what you were told. Nothing more.
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Are we always insulting and undermining your own staff?
Fixed. And yep. You guys do.
this right here just underscores just what sort of person you are. Everyone else is right, your 'professionalism' is absolutely fucking nonexistent. I can't think of a more petty, bitter, spiteful reply to valid concerns.
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You might want to update your rules so they are less ambiguous.
He thrives on the ambiguity, it makes it easier to make it up as he goes along.
you have no idea what the professionalism you preach even is
^^^^^Mutha. Fuckin. This!!! ^^^^^ x's a million
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I was in a hurry to get this out.
You need to SLOW THE FUCK DOWN, actually put THOUGHT into your problems and eventual decisions dealing with them problems....and especially before you post before you further piss off everyone all the soiling your own credibility that much more in the process. This ain't CP that has to "hurriedly" be dealt with....instead issues that can and SHOULD be tackled with reason and common sense, not haste and emotion.
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You should know better seeing how he acted with both you and Edify in the past and it's one of my biggest gripes about his admining
this entire thread only puts weight behind my assertion that Arnox treats user and staff poorly because he doesn't know what he's doing
Meh, no need to blame him. I suggested yesterday (in one of the hidden staff forums) that he demod edify due to inactivity. I suppose I should have put that suggestion in Help and Suggestions so you guys could be part of the discussion.
He should have never been made a mod...and if hes going to be demodded for something it should be due to terminal ineptitude
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this right here just underscores just what sort of person you are. Everyone else is right, your 'professionalism' is absolutely fucking nonexistent. I can't think of a more petty, bitter, spiteful reply to valid concerns.
He could have posted "like it or leave" which was the governing mantra at Zoklet....but agreed in regard to he couldn't have come up with a much worse or more immature response.
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this right here just underscores just what sort of person you are. Everyone else is right, your 'professionalism' is absolutely fucking nonexistent. I can't think of a more petty, bitter, spiteful reply to valid concerns.
He could have posted "like it or leave" which was the governing mantra at Zoklet....but agreed in regard to he couldn't have come up with a much worse or more immature response.
arnox's mantra is 'this isn't zoklet'...wait I forgot 'let it be'....wow arnox, how many 'mantras' do you have?
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Fuck Arnox is my mantra. What a fucking Mormon.
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Arnox, would you like me restore the posts that I deleted (retroactive policy), or does this only apply to moderating actions going forward (proactive)? I don't mind taking the time.
Also, can you please define what we need to treat as spam? I got it that we shouldn't delete any posts that are derailments, and obviously CP and the like are spam, but I just want us to be on the same page. Thanks.
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Staff, do not delete posts even if they're blatant derailings. Just infract the persons if they are doing so and move on.
Unfortunately that will still leave the turd in the thread to which anyone can respond, further derailing the thread and, logically, ensuring they too qualify for an infraction. Unless people are instructed not to reply to the infracted post in which case... why leave it there in the first place?
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Arnox....I asked you weeks ago what your bigger picture "endgame" was to all of this, and you conveniently ignored that question. I tried asking you how you legitimately thought all this would end on a "positive" or even "nice" (see what I did there? ;) ) note for you in the way you are handling(?) things.
I'll ask you that same question again. Just WTF DO you think is going to be the end result if you keep going on the path you are on now? Your detractors are becoming much more vocal and ever growing in number then when I first asked. Until you stop, sit back, take significant analysis in all the mistakes you make/continue to make...its only gonna get worse.
What solution could you possibly have with the way you are going now? Perma-ban everyone that dares disagree with you while you trample on common sense?
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publicly reprimand someone or discuss staff affairs.
Woah. This is NOT a reprimand at all. Actually, this is merely me telling you guys now that deleting posts is no longer how we do things now. I'll have to rewrite that infraction thread TBH... It's all my fault. I'm sorry for the confusion. And I posted this publicly because people need to know that we will not delete posts now (as obbe and others were requesting all the time) merely because they're derailing. This is two birds with one stone.
Sorry if it sounded like that. I was in a hurry to get this out. Once again, I am NOT disappointed in the staff at all. You guys were merely doing what you were told. Nothing more.
I never requested anything to be deleted. I simply reported off topic posts. It was my understanding that threads were to remain on topic. Apparently that isn't the case.
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Staff, do not delete posts even if they're blatant derailings. Just infract the persons if they are doing so and move on.
Unfortunately that will still leave the turd in the thread to which anyone can respond, further derailing the thread and, logically, ensuring they too qualify for an infraction. Unless people are instructed not to reply to the infracted post in which case... why leave it there in the first place?
^exactly this that's like cutting the flower without pulling the root and it makes no sense
you shouldn't need to constantly infract people to drive on topic conversation
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I never requested anything to be deleted. I simply reported off topic posts. It was my understanding that threads were to remain on topic. Apparently that isn't the case.
well you should have reported the earlier users off topic posts, if indeed you warned people about OT pages and pages ago like you said...you picked the absolute worst person to focus your efforts on, because I will throw this in your face for all eternity.
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I never requested anything to be deleted. I simply reported off topic posts. It was my understanding that threads were to remain on topic. Apparently that isn't the case.
well you should have reported the earlier users off topic posts, if indeed you warned people about OT pages and pages ago like you said...you picked the absolute worst person to focus your efforts on, because I will throw this in your face for all eternity.
I reported every off topic post in that thread you spastic cry baby idiot fag. Like I said, i have no control over what the moderators do. You could, however, stop being such a spastic crybaby idiot faggot. I never focused my efforts on you. Lanny was the biggest troll, clearly. But here you are, crying about it more, making faggy hate threads about me. What a man.
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I reported every off topic post in that thread you spastic cry baby idiot fag. Like I said, i have no control over what the moderators do. You could, however, stop being such a spastic crybaby idiot faggot. I never focused my efforts on you. Lanny was the biggest troll, clearly. But here you are, crying about it more, making faggy hate threads about me. What a man.
report the head of my cock, you simpering staff-dependent faggot
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Could we all please shut up about off topic posting and focus on Arnox's idiocy? Jeez.
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What's the thread in question?
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Great to see Arnox made the very wise(?) decision to make this thread the new "headline" announcement at the top of everyone's page. Should do wonders for the place, huh? :roll:
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What's the thread in question?
Just click on any thread Lanny is part of..."derailing nonsense" usually is applicable.
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I reported every off topic post in that thread you spastic cry baby idiot fag. Like I said, i have no control over what the moderators do. You could, however, stop being such a spastic crybaby idiot faggot. I never focused my efforts on you. Lanny was the biggest troll, clearly. But here you are, crying about it more, making faggy hate threads about me. What a man.
report the head of my cock, you simpering staff-dependent faggot
Impressive retort. You're such a good example of a forum contributor.
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Impressive retort. You're such a good example of a forum contributor.
Keep it up, the more you type the more everyone sees just what sort of person you are.
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Impressive retort. You're such a good example of a forum contributor.
Keep it up, the more you type the more everyone sees just what sort of person you are.
Says the crying faggot who can't even accept an apology. LOL.
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Impressive retort. You're such a good example of a forum contributor.
Keep it up, the more you type the more everyone sees just what sort of person you are.
Says the crying faggot who can't even accept an apology. LOL.
You actually did formally apologize, but you only apologized for 'hurting my feelings', which wasn't the issue at all. I stated as much in the very next post. That sort of just made it worse, and ties in with your whole 'you mad?' bullshit.
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Impressive retort. You're such a good example of a forum contributor.
Keep it up, the more you type the more everyone sees just what sort of person you are.
Says the crying faggot who can't even accept an apology. LOL.
You actually did formally apologize, but you only apologized for 'hurting my feelings', which wasn't the issue at all. I stated as much in the very next post. That sort of just made it worse, and ties in with your whole 'you mad?' bullshit.
That's because I didn't do anything wrong. If we aren't supposed to report off-topic posts why did I have the ability to do so? If off-topic posts aren't against the rules, why can people now be infracted for it?
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That's because I didn't do anything wrong. If we aren't supposed to report off-topic posts why did I have the ability to do so? If off-topic posts aren't against the rules, why can people now be infracted for it?
If you read anyone elses posts you would see that:
#1 Arnox has posted before that he considers it more suggestive of realistic conversations if we are allowed to meander off topic in threads
#2 I could report any post, for just about any reason. Ask RisiR about some of the reasons he has reported posts.
#3 Your first instinct was to 'report' to management when you couldn't get something done with your 'excuse me, guys? guys? hey guys....' tap-on-the-shoulder, emaciated and intimidated conversational style.
#4 It's too late now, you showed us all just what sort of person you are behind the words on the screen, and you can't take it back. Keep typing and let us in further to your pathetic beta psychology.
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It's not against the law to be a fedora wearing neckbeard buzzword buzzword but it outs you as a bitch.
Off topic can be beautiful and often results in great things. Stop hating.
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It's not against the law to be a fedora wearing neckbeard buzzword buzzword but it outs you as a bitch.
Off topic can be beautiful and often results in great things. Stop hating.
Don't fucking coddle him
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It's not against the law to be a fedora wearing neckbeard buzzword buzzword but it outs you as a bitch.
Off topic can be beautiful and often results in great things. Stop hating.
Don't fucking coddle him
I'm about to coddle you next, sir.
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I'm about to coddle you next, sir.
:cosby:
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Great to see Arnox made the very wise(?) decision to make this thread the new "headline" announcement at the top of everyone's page. Should do wonders for the place, huh? :roll:
This.
And just as a CYA:
1. No spam. This means posts that are not relevant or do not add anything at all to the thread or the discussion in it. ('this's are allowed though)
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The whole point of the OP was to formally address and highlight a dispute between me and another user. Obbe technically is in the right here, end of story. I have no issue with that.
My issue is with his character and his credibility as a poster. He revealed himself as one who is quick to spam the 'report' button whenever he sees something going on that is 'against the rules', sort of like those store clerks who chase shoplifters even though their employer probably won' t even say 'thank you' or give them a pay raise or some other reward.
In other words, he is a fucking kiss-ass who tries to curry favor to gain approval or something, and has to run to moderators when he can't muster enough testosterone to control his own threads.
But that is just between me and him.
So, why is there a whole thread from the forum administrator addressing this relatively minor personal dispute, if I may ask?
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So, why is there a whole thread from the forum administrator addressing this relatively minor personal dispute, if I may ask?
Chances are there is more going on behind the scenes or in M&A that the userbase isn't privy to. Or maybe its just he's frustrated because the rest of the staff hasn't stood by his decision strong enough when he decided to mod Zek and the majority of the userbase came down on him because of it. More and more I'm getting the sense he is in this for his own agenda, and not base a website on Totse ideals or anything close to it. True irony is, he is probably getting pissy at the rest of the staff because he bungled the Zek modding so badly, and in his stunted mind he is interpretting their lack of support as "disloyalty"....when he himself has been the ONLY one disloyal to the creed and culture for what this place is SUPPOSED to represent.
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The whole point of the OP was to formally address and highlight a dispute between me and another user. Obbe technically is in the right here, end of story. I have no issue with that.
My issue is with his character and his credibility as a poster. He revealed himself as one who is quick to spam the 'report' button whenever he sees something going on that is 'against the rules', sort of like those store clerks who chase shoplifters even though their employer probably won' t even say 'thank you' or give them a pay raise or some other reward.
In other words, he is a fucking kiss-ass who tries to curry favor to gain approval or something, and has to run to moderators when he can't muster enough testosterone to control his own threads.
But that is just between me and him.
So, why is there a whole thread from the forum administrator addressing this relatively minor personal dispute, if I may ask?
No I'm not. I wouldn't report off-topic post in your threads. I openly chastise Arnox and don't care if he approves or not. I'm participating in this off-topic conversation right now. But I want my threads to remain on topic. No amount of testosterone will get trolls (Lanny) to stop trolling, and if you actually think this has anything to do with being a man you're ridiculous and probably wear a fedora. Your feelings got hurt and this whole anti-obbe thing you're doing is your emotional reaction to getting your precious posts deleted, something I have no control over. Get over it. I already apologised and if you're not man enough (lol) to swallow your pride and make friends, I really couldn't care less. This whole emotional reaction of yours says much more about your character than you desperately wish it could say about mine.
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Arnox, would you like me restore the posts that I deleted (retroactive policy), or does this only apply to moderating actions going forward (proactive)? I don't mind taking the time.
Also, can you please define what we need to treat as spam? I got it that we shouldn't delete any posts that are derailments, and obviously CP and the like are spam, but I just want us to be on the same page. Thanks.
Proactive. It's OK. Don't worry about it. It's done.
As far as what to edit out/remove, CP, IRL besitiality, and flooding can be safely removed. Unauthorized advertisements. PI. Malicious instructions on how to take down this site specifically or a link to something that would.
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But I want my threads to remain on topic
I want my threads full of posts praising me and telling me how much I fucking rule, but we don't get what we want, do we?
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But I want my threads to remain on topic
I want my threads full of posts praising me and telling me how much I fucking rule, but we don't get what we want, do we?
Well I didn't think expecting moderators to ... you know .... moderate the threads was wishful thinking, but apparently off-topic postings isn't against the rules ... but is still something you can be infracted for, now anyways.
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No amount of testosterone will get trolls (Lanny) to stop trolling,
Lotta truth here. A team of the Incredible Hulk, Chuck Norris, and John Rambo couldn't prevent Lanny from stopping his incessant derailing like the petulant child he is. Only thing that will work is a control panel purging the place of his worthless existence....unfortunately he's Zek's pet and appears to be handsoff. >:(
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Arnox is love, arnox is life
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Is this off-topic posting...
"How to make $2.50 a day playing games. Use my affiliate code "F4JDU" on this game www.somegame.com."
"Get a job."
Because, sometimes I feel the need to shit on a shitty thread. Is it really so wrong to do so?
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Is this off-topic posting...
"How to make $2.50 a day playing games. Use my affiliate code "F4JDU" on this game www.somegame.com."
"Get a job."
Because, sometimes I feel the need to shit on a shitty thread. Is it really so wrong to do so?
I'm not sure if it would be off-topic (would depend on original topic of thread), but it treads the line of spam - Rule #1 - and it is advertising - Rule #5.
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What a bunch of utter bullshit spewing from the mouth/anus of Arcocks.
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Kidiot posts should be deleted outright and the kidiot permabanned (if its posting history shows reams of same). Everybody makes a silly post once in awhile, and that's fine, but many accounts have a definite pattern of posting useless kidiot garbage, and that pattern can easily be identified simply by looking at the posting history and reading the posts found there. Those are your genuine derailers right there. I can list some right here if you want.
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Kidiot posts should be deleted outright and the kidiot permabanned (if its posting history shows reams of same). Everybody makes a silly post once in awhile, and that's fine, but many accounts have a definite pattern of posting useless kidiot garbage, and that pattern can easily be identified simply by looking at the posting history and reading the posts found there. Those are your genuine derailers right there. I can list some right here if you want.
List the fucking kidiot cocksuckers my man.
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Kidiot posts should be deleted outright and the kidiot permabanned (if its posting history shows reams of same). Everybody makes a silly post once in awhile, and that's fine, but many accounts have a definite pattern of posting useless kidiot garbage, and that pattern can easily be identified simply by looking at the posting history and reading the posts found there. Those are your genuine derailers right there. I can list some right here if you want.
List the fucking kidiot cocksuckers my man.
Instead of posting a bunch, I'll just post them one at a time. This will simplify my point.
This is a kidiot spammer account I picked just now at random. It was the first account I looked at. Took me less than 30 seconds to find it. Do you see a definite pattern here? Read ALL the posts. Take the time to READ THEM.
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=575 (http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?action=profile;u=575)
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He got some pretty funny posts, though. He's also a great storyteller when he's on meth.
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For what it's worth, this is the main reason I don't post here much anymore.
Don't have the time to sift through pages of spam for one nugget of intelligent/funny gold.
Ain't about to bitch n moan about it.. if that is what this site is about then so be it. Just saying personally it turns me off and I could see how it would turn off potential newcomers.
My 2 cents.
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He got some pretty funny posts, though. He's also a great storyteller when he's on meth.
"funny"... riiiiight.. more like reams of useless, worthless spam. Definitely permaban material. You really want to address the problem of thread derailers? Or do you just want to play games and pussyfoot around the thing? If you don't want to address the issue of thread derailing, why even discuss it?
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Now, here's the next one. Read ALL the posts. Reams and reams of endless and worthless bullshit. And that's not derailing?? The elephant is standing right in the middle of the living room and we're actually discussing thread derailment??
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=213
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You really want to address the problem of thread derailers? Or do you just want to play games and pussyfoot around the thing? If you don't want to address the issue of thread derailing, why even discuss it?
What gives you the notion that I do want to discuss all these things? I just encouraged you to post your kidiot list. Discussion seems redundant.
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Now, here's the next one. Read ALL the posts. Reams and reams of endless and worthless bullshit. And that's not derailing?? The elephant is standing right in the middle of the living room and we're actually discussing thread derailment??
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=213
We are actually not discussing anything.
Sploo is a way more entertaining user than you are, that's for sure.
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Do you see a definite pattern here? Read ALL the posts. Take the time to READ THEM.
Stopped at 3 pages of posts, and I definitely see a pattern. He comes off like a try-hard pseudo wigger. Not a real wigger, but some chump living in suburbia that bought a couple of Eminem albums and now attempts to talk street lingo to sound "hard"(?). Pretty much fake and worthless just like you said.
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See, they like to cry and whine about thread derailment, but they're not really serious about looking to identify the root causes and actually do something about it. No backbone to do the job that needs to be done. They'd rather quantity over quality, but they pretend is it's all about quality, which it really isn't. "Wheh, wheh, whehhh.. teh treads convos are gittin' ruint... whuy is dat??", scratching their pointed heads the entire time, while the elephant sits right there on the living room carpet dead center blocking the view of the television. Pretty hilarious shit right there, folks.
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This reply is off topic cause I really like pineapples
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For what it's worth, this is the main reason I don't post here much anymore.
Don't have the time to sift through pages of spam for one nugget of intelligent/funny gold.
Ain't about to bitch n moan about it.. if that is what this site is about then so be it. Just saying personally it turns me off and I could see how it would turn off potential newcomers.
My 2 cents.
This. A little organization would do well. I don't understand why off-topic posts shouldn't be removed from serious threads. What is the purpose of allowing the turd to float around the punchbowl?
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An off-topic post doesn't have to be a turd at all. An off-topic post can be a totally valid post and a post which is exactly in the right place. But what IS a turd is a kidiot's off-topic post. That is a true turd, and should be deleted outright if there is a definite pattern in the posting history of similar garbage. the only question that really matter is: Are you too stupid/dense/incompetent to recognize a turd post?
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Staff, do not delete posts even if they're blatant derailings. Just infract the persons if they are doing so and move on.
Unfortunately that will still leave the turd in the thread to which anyone can respond, further derailing the thread and, logically, ensuring they too qualify for an infraction. Unless people are instructed not to reply to the infracted post in which case... why leave it there in the first place?
This. On most forums I've posted on, moderators wouldn't delete off-topic posts but would move them into an appropriate thread, or a "trashcan" thread if required. Leaving off-topic posts detracts from the discussion.
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What you want to do is work around the kidiot. Hold its little hand and coddle it and encourage it by putting in a whole lot of effort moving its shitdrops around, instead of simply dealing with the kidiot itself. That way it can spew out literally thousands of worthless posts for years and the site will appear as bustling with activity. I really admire you guys for your impeccable logic and your more than just impressive reasoning skills. TTFN! Take 3!
*poses for the camera*
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An off-topic post doesn't have to be a turd at all. An off-topic post can be a totally valid post and a post which is exactly in the right place. But what IS a turd is a kidiot's off-topic post. That is a true turd, and should be deleted outright if there is a definite pattern in the posting history of similar garbage. the only question that really matter is: Are you too stupid/dense/incompetent to recognize a turd post?
Nope. Just quoted one.
In fact Speccy, I've never once seen you post something that contributes to the fabric of this site. All you do is detract.
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Staff, do not delete posts even if they're blatant derailings. Just infract the persons if they are doing so and move on.
Unfortunately that will still leave the turd in the thread to which anyone can respond, further derailing the thread and, logically, ensuring they too qualify for an infraction. Unless people are instructed not to reply to the infracted post in which case... why leave it there in the first place?
As usual Slave has the common sense approach to all of this, while the admin is completely void of any logic or reason. It would be like you are at a party where everyone is having fun, and then suddenly someone ends up puking in the middle of the dance floor. The host of the party says..."nah, let's not bother cleaning it up....everyone just ignore it, enjoy yourselves all the same".
Sorry Arnox, but if you want anyone to get back on the dance floor....you gotta clean up the mess first, or similar jackasses that can't hold their liquor will just quantify that as the communal toilet, all the while everyone else is avoiding that area of the party. Real difficult concept to grasp, ain't it?
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Staff, do not delete posts even if they're blatant derailings. Just infract the persons if they are doing so and move on.
Unfortunately that will still leave the turd in the thread to which anyone can respond, further derailing the thread and, logically, ensuring they too qualify for an infraction. Unless people are instructed not to reply to the infracted post in which case... why leave it there in the first place?
As usual Slave has the common sense approach to all of this, while the admin is completely void of any logic or reason. It would be like you are at a party where everyone is having fun, and then suddenly someone ends up puking in the middle of the dance floor. The host of the party says..."nah, let's not bother cleaning it up....everyone just ignore it, enjoy yourselves all the same".
Sorry Arnox, but if you want anyone to get back on the dance floor....you gotta clean up the mess first, or similar jackasses that can't hold their liquor will just quantify that as the communal toilet, all the while everyone else is avoiding that area of the party. Real difficult concept to grasp, ain't it?
You are the person vomiting on the dance floor. 400+ posts and all of them read exactly like this one. Not one single good post in any forum.
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In fact Speccy, I've never once seen you post something that contributes to the fabric of this site. All you do is detract.
Then again, you're a known and chronic liar.
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In fact Speccy, I've never once seen you post something that contributes to the fabric of this site. All you do is detract.
Then again, you're a known and chronic liar.
Link me to one informative, content filled post you've made on this website that wasn't about the mods, or zoklet drama.
Because drama is what 12 year old girls talk about all day -SpectraL. Are you a 12 year old girl? Are you missing iCarly for this?
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Link me to one informative, content filled post you've made on this website.
You can check my posting history. I'm not here to hold your hand and walk you through it. You're a big boy now. ;)
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Link me to one informative, content filled post you've made on this website.
You can check my posting history. I'm not here to hold your hand and walk you through it. You're a big boy now. ;)
There were 2 posts out of the first fifteen that weren't related to drama. And those were single sentence posts that added absolutely nothing to the threads they were in.
2 out of 15 spectral. And that was just this morning. You've made 13 posts about drama and kidiots in the last, oh, about 2 hours.
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Link me to one informative, content filled post you've made on this website.
You can check my posting history. I'm not here to hold your hand and walk you through it. You're a big boy now. ;)
There were 2 posts out of the first fifteen that weren't related to drama. And those were single sentence posts that added absolutely nothing to the threads they were in.
2 out of 15 spectral. And that was just this morning. You've made 13 posts about drama and kidiots in the last, oh, about 2 hours.
You can't just take one day as an accurate mean measure, you silly little fucker.
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Second page of -SpectraL's posting history - 4 out of 15 posts were not pertaining to zoklet/totse/drama/kidiots.
once again, those were all sentence or two long posts that added absolutely nothing to the threads, except for youtube-comment level responses to internet video threads in IFIOTW
Edit: Do you remember a thread, specifically, where you actually shared some sort of knowledge with this community? I can't seem to find any, at all.
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Second page of -SpectraL's posting history - 4 out of 15 posts were not pertaining to zoklet/totse/drama/kidiots.
once again, those were all sentence or two long posts that added absolutely nothing to the threads, except for youtube-comment level responses to internet video threads in IFIOTW
Edit: Do you remember a thread, specifically, where you actually shared some sort of knowledge with this community? I can't seem to find any, at all.
They're there. You just haven't been paying attention, constantinople. That's not my problem. Dig deeper or just shut the fuck up. I'm not in the mood to play games with you today.
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Second page of -SpectraL's posting history - 4 out of 15 posts were not pertaining to zoklet/totse/drama/kidiots.
once again, those were all sentence or two long posts that added absolutely nothing to the threads, except for youtube-comment level responses to internet video threads in IFIOTW
Edit: Do you remember a thread, specifically, where you actually shared some sort of knowledge with this community? I can't seem to find any, at all.
They're there. You just haven't been paying attention, constantinople. That's not my problem. Dig deeper or just shut the fuck up. I'm not in the mood to play games with you today.
How deep constitutes enough posts for me to make an objective statement about your post quality? How large a sample do I need before it's deemed accurate enough by -SpectraL's standards? I don't have time for these games either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trend_estimation
So far, you aren't looking good buddy. 30 data points and an overwhelming majority indicates a negative trend...
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How deep constitutes enough posts for me to make an objective statement about your post quality?
How deep? To the bottom of the hole, kid. Laziness is no excuse for thoroughness. If you're gonna open your yap, you should be able to back it up with ALL the facts, not just your cherry-picked "facts". Get reading.
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What's itching my butthole?
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Here's another one, just in case you're having eyesight problems, which you should most probably get checked at the optometrist as soon as possible...
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=228
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Spectral doesn't contribute everyone knows that lol.
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Spectral doesn't contribute everyone knows that lol.
You used to be a heavy kidiot spammer as well. I guess I'd have to painfully concede that you've kind of grown up over the years. I still see traces of the old zok jr., but it's not so lame now as to be excruciatingly pathetic as it was in the past. Good work, kid. Some day you might just be someone to contend with.
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As well? So you're saying you were one too?
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As well? So you're saying you were one too?
No. I'm saying you're the third example in addition to the two examples I already posted. Try to follow the plot, son. There will be a test at the end of the presentation, and it doesn't involve midgets and helium balloons.
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This. On most forums I've posted on, moderators wouldn't delete off-topic posts but would move them into an appropriate thread, or a "trashcan" thread if required. Leaving off-topic posts detracts from the discussion.
Off topic posts are only a problem if you read and type slow. I read fast enough where I can just skim over anything off topic and move on to the next one. I feel sorry for you that you read slowly, and the off topic posts present such an obstacle to your forum experience that you have to get staff to come clear the debris out of the way for you. We need a forum for people like you, sort of a 'special olympics' of 'quality posts'.
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Bring on the duck and dives!
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Bring on the duck and dives!
you mean the shuck and jives
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As well? So you're saying you were one too?
No. I'm saying you're the third example in addition to the two examples I already posted. Try to follow the plot, son. There will be a test at the end of the presentation, and it doesn't involve midgets and helium balloons.
Off topic!
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What we need is a book of excuses which anyone can simply draw from when the feeling hits. It could have a Table of Contents, an Index, even a prologue and special section at the end for credits, contributions and commendations. We could label the sections by a number/letter arrangement. ie: 1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b, 2c, and even add excuse sub-sections, such as 1b article 7. That way, any time someone needs a convenient duck and dive, or wishes to cite a duck and dive, they can simply refer to the section/sub-section/article. ie: please refer to Duck and Dive 73m article 109, paragraph 13, etc, etc, etc...
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What we need is a book of excuses which anyone can simply draw from when the feeling hits. It could have a Table of Contents, an Index, even a prologue and special section at the end for credits, contributions and commendations. We could label the sections by a number/letter arrangement. ie: 1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b, 2c, and even add excuse sub-sections, such as 1b article 7. That way, any time someone needs a convenient duck and dive, or wishes to cite a duck and dive, they can simply refer to the section/sub-section/article. ie: please refer to Duck and Dive 73m article 109, paragraph 13, etc, etc, etc...
Thats the way you have always operated. So why not just share the manual you wrote?
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Here's another one, just in case you're having eyesight problems, which you should most probably get checked at the optometrist as soon as possible...
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=228
Are you trying to say that one members non-contribution excuses your own?
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What we need is a book of excuses which anyone can simply draw from when the feeling hits. It could have a Table of Contents, an Index, even a prologue and special section at the end for credits, contributions and commendations. We could label the sections by a number/letter arrangement. ie: 1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b, 2c, and even add excuse sub-sections, such as 1b article 7. That way, any time someone needs a convenient duck and dive, or wishes to cite a duck and dive, they can simply refer to the section/sub-section/article. ie: please refer to Duck and Dive 73m article 109, paragraph 13, etc, etc, etc...
Thats the way you have always operated. So why not just share the manual you wrote?
You again!??
*pulls out drawing board*
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I can hardly believe that some people have 2000+ posts. This forum hasn't even been here that long.
Some of the shit posters that came from Zoklet...
ngalo1983
SoSo
Riser
All three are idiots/trolls that showed up during Zoklet's demise and contributed to it's degradation. Hopefully they'll make this their primary forum and won't search for other forums.
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We're performing a valuable public service by keeping them off the streets.
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u fockin wot m8
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For what it's worth, this is the main reason I don't post here much anymore.
Don't have the time to sift through pages of spam for one nugget of intelligent/funny gold.
Ain't about to bitch n moan about it.. if that is what this site is about then so be it. Just saying personally it turns me off and I could see how it would turn off potential newcomers.
My 2 cents.
This. A little organization would do well. I don't understand why off-topic posts shouldn't be removed from serious threads. What is the purpose of allowing the turd to float around the punchbowl?
Staff, do not delete posts even if they're blatant derailings. Just infract the persons if they are doing so and move on.
Unfortunately that will still leave the turd in the thread to which anyone can respond, further derailing the thread and, logically, ensuring they too qualify for an infraction. Unless people are instructed not to reply to the infracted post in which case... why leave it there in the first place?
This. On most forums I've posted on, moderators wouldn't delete off-topic posts but would move them into an appropriate thread, or a "trashcan" thread if required. Leaving off-topic posts detracts from the discussion.
Anyone? What's the logic behind this decision?
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Anyone? What's the logic behind this decision?
Threads evolve. Conversations flow. Blatant derailments are still prohibited, but stemming conversation flow is counter-productive.
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Anyone? What's the logic behind this decision?
You want a forum where conversations are pruned, like hedges, for your aesthetic edification. Some of us prefer just regular old wild bushes. So why should everything be the way you want? Who made you the one to decide what is best? This is why I hate you, obbe, your personality is just fucked.
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Anyone? What's the logic behind this decision?
Threads evolve. Conversations flow. Blatant derailments are still prohibited, but stemming conversation flow is counter-productive.
Sure, I agree conversation flows and evolve. But blatantly off-topic posts that come out of no where and trollish derailments are also counterproductive.
Why leave them in the thread?
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Sure, I agree conversation flows and evolve. But blatantly off-topic posts that come out of no where and trollish derailments are also counterproductive.
Why leave them in the thread?
because along with weeding out 'troll' posts, regular posts get trashed. it happens with the best of intentions, but no one can be so perfect as to know every nuance and meaning of a post. Maybe the post has subtle intent, is a relevant pun but you just didn't get it, or maybe the post is just answering a previous post, and, while that isn't clear to you, the intended recipient would understand it....
when one plays 'conversation cop', one tends to go all 'rodney king' every once in a while.
use the ignore function and it won't be such an emotional and physical drain on you, having to wade through all the 'troll posts' that ruin your important threads.
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If it is spam, it is policy to remove those posts. Otherwise, who are we to decide what content should or should not remain on the site? Blatant derailers will be infracted and subsequently banned for offenses, but the posts will remain unless it is spam.
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You want a forum where conversations are pruned, like hedges, for your aesthetic edification. Some of us prefer just regular old wild bushes.
No I don't. See this post:
If you want something to grow, give it good soil to grow in. Treat it well and it will become something unique and beautiful all on it's own. If you decide you want to shape and design it and keep it under your control, you will probably end up killing it.
However I do not think the trash shouldn't be left out in the middle of the floor. Clean it up. It looks messy.
So why should everything be the way you want? Who made you the one to decide what is best? This is why I hate you, obbe, your personality is just fucked.
I never said everything should be my way or that I make the best decisions. I just wanted to see what the reason is for leaving shitposts in the middle of legitimate conversations. That doesn't make sense and I'm not the only one who thinks so. I quoted two others who agree. My personality isn't fucked, you conclusion jumping idiot, and you clearly have some sort of emotional problems if you actually harbor hate for someone you really don't know anything about. Everything you claim about me, everything you think you hate about me, was all made up in your weak little brain when you jumped to the conclusion that I'm against you and conspired to have your precious posts deleted. You're an idiot. Pull your head out of your ass and try to see clearly.
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If it is spam, it is policy to remove those posts. Otherwise, who are we to decide what content should or should not remain on the site? Blatant derailers will be infracted and subsequently banned for offenses, but the posts will remain unless it is spam.
Right, I understand you plan to punish blatant derailers but I don't understand why you won't clean up the mess. Isn't that kinda like punishing a theif but letting him keep everything he stole? Or arresting a graffiti artist but not washing their paint off the wall? I mean, if you're just going to leave it up, why even punish them? What effect will that have, if any?
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Sure, I agree conversation flows and evolve. But blatantly off-topic posts that come out of no where and trollish derailments are also counterproductive.
Why leave them in the thread?
... or maybe the post is just answering a previous post, and, while that isn't clear to you, the intended recipient would understand it....
Or maybe if troll posts weren't left up, people wouldn't respond to them, and wouldn't end up further derailing the conversation, and wouldn't end up getting an infraction for it.
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I never said everything should be my way or that I make the best decisions. I just wanted to see what the reason is for leaving shitposts in the middle of legitimate conversations. That doesn't make sense and I'm not the only one who thinks so. I quoted two others who agree. My personality isn't fucked, you conclusion jumping idiot, and you clearly have some sort of emotional problems if you actually harbor hate for someone you really don't know anything about. Everything you claim about me, everything you think you hate about me, was all made up in your weak little brain when you jumped to the conclusion that I'm against you and conspired to have your precious posts deleted. You're an idiot. Pull your head out of your ass and try to see clearly.
If you are asking 'you mad, bro'? the answer is yes
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Anyone? What's the logic behind this decision?
Threads evolve. Conversations flow. Blatant derailments are still prohibited, but stemming conversation flow is counter-productive.
This is also not how it went down ON YOUR OWN SITE
In thread specifically about technical or very in depth information posts were to stay pertinent to the information at hand. If someone thinks they have something else to talk about they are more than welcome to make another thread about the unrelated topic. Again the example I use is one from W&C like my thread comparing the AK 47 and M16 and the differences in operation the content of that thread should be about that topic, SINCE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CLICKED ON THE THREAD IN THE FIRST PLACE TO READ, not the values of disarmament or anyone's personal politics that should be taken to their own but also allowed threads about those topics in the section.
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I never said everything should be my way or that I make the best decisions. I just wanted to see what the reason is for leaving shitposts in the middle of legitimate conversations. That doesn't make sense and I'm not the only one who thinks so. I quoted two others who agree. My personality isn't fucked, you conclusion jumping idiot, and you clearly have some sort of emotional problems if you actually harbor hate for someone you really don't know anything about. Everything you claim about me, everything you think you hate about me, was all made up in your weak little brain when you jumped to the conclusion that I'm against you and conspired to have your precious posts deleted. You're an idiot. Pull your head out of your ass and try to see clearly.
If you are asking 'you mad, bro'? the answer is yes
You have nothing to be mad about.
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You have nothing to be mad about.
that never stopped me before, why should it now
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This is also not how it went down ON YOUR OWN SITE
In thread specifically about technical or very in depth information posts were to stay pertinent to the information at hand. If someone thinks they have something else to talk about they are more than welcome to make another thread about the unrelated topic. Again the example I use is one from W&C like my thread comparing the AK 47 and M16 and the differences in operation the content of that thread should be about that topic, SINCE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CLICKED ON THE THREAD IN THE FIRST PLACE TO READ, not the values of disarmament or anyone's personal politics that should be taken to their own but also allowed threads about those topics in the section.
I appreciate your input. As you know, it's a delicate situation.
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If it is spam, it is policy to remove those posts. Otherwise, who are we to decide what content should or should not remain on the site? Blatant derailers will be infracted and subsequently banned for offenses, but the posts will remain unless it is spam.
Right, I understand you plan to punish blatant derailers but I don't understand why you won't clean up the mess. Isn't that kinda like punishing a theif but letting him keep everything he stole? Or arresting a graffiti artist but not washing their paint off the wall? I mean, if you're just going to leave it up, why even punish them? What effect will that have, if any?
Any responce?
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This is also not how it went down ON YOUR OWN SITE
In thread specifically about technical or very in depth information posts were to stay pertinent to the information at hand. If someone thinks they have something else to talk about they are more than welcome to make another thread about the unrelated topic. Again the example I use is one from W&C like my thread comparing the AK 47 and M16 and the differences in operation the content of that thread should be about that topic, SINCE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CLICKED ON THE THREAD IN THE FIRST PLACE TO READ, not the values of disarmament or anyone's personal politics that should be taken to their own but also allowed threads about those topics in the section.
Well said Spectre and how people can't understand the "damage" that is created by ALLOWING off-topic tripe to remain just baffles me. SO MANY SECTIONS on Totse were utterly destroyed by allowing trolls to exercise their "free speech"(?) with complete impunity...and it will chase away potential users. Most of the sections that discussed religion, the paranormal, conspiracies became so IRRELEVANT and worthless....because you had an army of kidiots that would troll the threads because they didn't like or agree with the subject matter.
I don't give a fuck if people want to flame me later in B&M or somewhere else for next 10 years fowhatever beliefs in any thread...but ruining a topic with nonsensical flames..."Herp. Derp, you believe in ghosts, watch out for Casper"....only taints the productive discussions. Flame wars then ensue, and next you have is pages and reams of nonsense and insults being thrown back and forth, all the while the original discussion gets lost in the MESS (that should have been cleaned up). Someone new to the boards interested in such discussion clicks on said thread and finds nothing more than dimestore insults and 4-chan memes as "contribution"....they'll go on their merry way and look elsewhere. You haven't attracted or retained a potential new "quality" contributor. instead just chased them off to find another corner of the internet.
That should be common sense and easily understandable for ANYONE that has spent just a couple of hours on message forums. And hiding under the guise/EMPTY RHETORIC of "free speech" is what got us here today. Totse finally closing down because of the army of trolls that nobody took the time or care to remove, and let their mindless graffiti remain. And Zoklet taking it even further with lesser quality forums, and the irrelevance of the information was even worse.
Why repeat history a third time, and allow off-topic childish and just outright STUPID responses remain on a thread if you SINCERELY want a quality forum for discussion?
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Spectral doesn't contribute everyone knows that lol.
You used to be a heavy kidiot spammer as well. I guess I'd have to painfully concede that you've kind of grown up over the years. I still see traces of the old zok jr., but it's not so lame now as to be excruciatingly pathetic as it was in the past. Good work, kid. Some day you might just be someone to contend with.
I've never spammed anything but thanks I guess?
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If it is spam, it is policy to remove those posts. Otherwise, who are we to decide what content should or should not remain on the site? Blatant derailers will be infracted and subsequently banned for offenses, but the posts will remain unless it is spam.
Right, I understand you plan to punish blatant derailers but I don't understand why you won't clean up the mess. Isn't that kinda like punishing a theif but letting him keep everything he stole? Or arresting a graffiti artist but not washing their paint off the wall? I mean, if you're just going to leave it up, why even punish them? What effect will that have, if any?
Any responce?
I acknowledge your logic and your suggestion. That's where we stand at this time so that's all I have.
At a risk of sounding like a politician, I appreciate your patience and your constructive criticisms.
As far as starvingniglet quoting my response in the other thread, that's fine, but understand that things could change. The only constant thing in life in change. I'm also not afraid to admit that I could be wrong. I've been married long enough to know that I'm wrong more than I'm right. But I will do my best to be fair, respectful, logical, and consistent.
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Well said Spectre and how people can't understand the "damage" that is created by ALLOWING off-topic tripe to remain just baffles me.
what do you think about having a place set aside for true 'free speech', like HB and possibly SG? Like in the nerds candy analogy? You never really gave an opinion either way, that I noticed at least.
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As far as starvingniglet quoting my response in the other thread, that's fine, but understand that things could change
Am I correct in reading this as there is some sort of issue with me quoting posts from one thread and using them in another? If so, that is totally fucking moronic
If not, then never mind me, I have this chip on my shoulder, see, and....you get the idea
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If it is spam, it is policy to remove those posts. Otherwise, who are we to decide what content should or should not remain on the site? Blatant derailers will be infracted and subsequently banned for offenses, but the posts will remain unless it is spam.
Right, I understand you plan to punish blatant derailers but I don't understand why you won't clean up the mess. Isn't that kinda like punishing a theif but letting him keep everything he stole? Or arresting a graffiti artist but not washing their paint off the wall? I mean, if you're just going to leave it up, why even punish them? What effect will that have, if any?
Any responce?
I acknowledge your logic and your suggestion. That's where we stand at this time so that's all I have.
At a risk of sounding like a politician, I appreciate your patience and your constructive criticisms.
As far as starvingniglet quoting my response in the other thread, that's fine, but understand that things could change. The only constant thing in life in change. I'm also not afraid to admit that I could be wrong. I've been married long enough to know that I'm wrong more than I'm right. But I will do my best to be fair, respectful, logical, and consistent.
I appreciate your response but what I'm looking for is an explanation and apparently only Arnox can explain this. So I guess I have to wait. But I'm not holding my breath. As time goes on he seems to be ignoring legitimate concerns and making illogical decisions. I sincerely hope that doesn't become the norm.
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As far as starvingniglet quoting my response in the other thread, that's fine, but understand that things could change
Am I correct in reading this as there is some sort of issue with me quoting posts from one thread and using them in another? If so, that is totally fucking moronic
If not, then never mind me, I have this chip on my shoulder, see, and....you get the idea
No, you are not correct. Sorry if that's what I insinuated.
I just thought that when you said, "quoted, to avoid future revisionism," you were implying that what I say is written in stone and that things never change and I'm never wrong. Both of those things happen all the time.
Flick that chip.
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what do you think about having a place set aside for true 'free speech', like HB and possibly SG? Like in the nerds candy analogy? You never really gave an opinion either way, that I noticed at least.
While my initial gut reaction still leans towards the analogy I provided in the other thread (retards mingling with a Playboy Mansion party)....I also understand in the spirit of "compromise" ...some concessions have to be made. If the slobberers need their playpen, make that arena HB....because that was never the spirit of SG or its purpose, they are NOT similar in any way, shape or form.
HB titled thread= "Herp Derp. DaGuru believes in Casper" (of course with the predictable oncoming clone thread "DaGuru believes in Capers"
SG title thread="Thinking of going as Casper on Halloween, any thought or ideas?"
I'm not sure why people continually confuse and intermingle those 2 forums.....the culture and purpose isn't the same, nor are the descriptions of the expectations of either forum even remotely similar.
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what do you think about having a place set aside for true 'free speech', like HB and possibly SG? Like in the nerds candy analogy? You never really gave an opinion either way, that I noticed at least.
While my initial gut reaction still leans towards the analogy I provided in the other thread (retards mingling with a Playboy Mansion party)....I also understand in the spirit of "compromise" ...some concessions have to be made. If the slobberers need their playpen, make that arena HB....because that was never the spirit of SG or its purpose, they are NOT similar in any way, shape or form.
HB titled thread= "Herp Derp. DaGuru believes in Casper" (of course with the predictable oncoming clone thread "DaGuru believes in Capers"
SG title thread="Thinking of going as Casper on Halloween, any thought or ideas?"
I'm not sure why people continually confuse and intermingle those 2 forums.....the culture and purpose isn't the same, nor are the descriptions of the expectations of either forum even remotely similar.
But having more than one place would give shitposters the illusion of 'choice', it would also make it that much more relevant when someone is infracted for OT posting in other threads..."You guys have multiple places to post this stuff, there is no excuse for derailing this thread...blah blah' you get the idea
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Right, I understand you plan to punish blatant derailers but I don't understand why you won't clean up the mess. Isn't that kinda like punishing a theif but letting him keep everything he stole? Or arresting a graffiti artist but not washing their paint off the wall? I mean, if you're just going to leave it up, why even punish them? What effect will that have, if any?
We keep it there mostly out of proof that the person has committed an offense but also because other people might have responded to the derailment/quoted it and it reads wrong when you remove the offending post.
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But having more than one place would give shitposters the illusion of 'choice', it would also make it that much more relevant when someone is infracted for OT posting in other threads..."You guys have multiple places to post this stuff, there is no excuse for derailing this thread...blah blah' you get the idea
The old cliche....."give them an inch, and they still ask for a mile" comes to mind. Personally, I don't give a fuck about coddling "shit posters" and they should just be grateful they have any playpen to flick boogers back and forth at each other. Your rhetoric of "giving them choices" so they feel better about themselves just gives them the wrongful belief they are on the same level as the actual viable contributors when in fact all they really are is shit posters.
That's like saying indigent welfare recipients should all have mansions provided for them, just so they feel like they fit in with the elite/upper class. We ain't here to stroke egos or comfort emotionally fragile people....I thought it was about ADULT discourse and not too much more than that.
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We keep it there mostly out of proof that the person has committed an offense but also because other people might have responded to the derailment/quoted it and it reads wrong when you remove the offending post.
So infract the guy who INITIATED the derailing, and remove all the bullshit no matter where it came from. How fuckin difficult is that? You are feigning as if this is so complicated, when nothing could be any easier.
If a guy attempts to mug me in broad daylight in front of witnesses, and I end up beating him to a bloody and unconscious pulp on the sidewalk.....you gonna just leave him laying there as "evidence" to his crime? OF course not, you'll haul his ass of to jail, call a cleaning crew in to remove the blood and guts off the sidewalk so future pedestrians don't have to tip-toe around or completely avoid the gore.
Could there by anything easier, or more basic common sense than that?
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Let's maybe try not comparing off-topic posting with violent crime lol.
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So infract the guy who INITIATED the derailing,
We do.
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Let's maybe try not comparing off-topic posting with violent crime lol.
Let's maybe go fuck off if adult discourse leaves your wishy washy freakish mind so fuckin timid and scared.
We do.
Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.
Way to completely ignore all the points myself and a few others have made how "leaving the mess" behind does nothing to further incite productive conversation and inevitably chases away potential users. Quit coming into this conversation to do nothing more than justify/defend your BLATANT PAST MISTAKES, and actually put some thought into the bigger picture here.
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So if a terrorist crashes a plane into 9/11 are you just gonna leave the buildings burning and not kill a random dictator? Of course not we need to ban everyone, case closed
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So infract the guy who INITIATED the derailing, and remove all the bullshit no matter where it came from. How fuckin difficult is that? You are feigning as if this is so complicated, when nothing could be any easier.
If a guy attempts to mug me in broad daylight in front of witnesses, and I end up beating him to a bloody and unconscious pulp on the sidewalk.....you gonna just leave him laying there as "evidence" to his crime? OF course not, you'll haul his ass of to jail, call a cleaning crew in to remove the blood and guts off the sidewalk so future pedestrians don't have to tip-toe around or completely avoid the gore.
Could there by anything easier, or more basic common sense than that?
If the mods start pulling threads apart whenever there's an off-topic post made we really run that risk of micromanaging and possibly overstepping our bounds, which some other members mentioned as concerns. Post removal might have its place, but we would do well to approach it very mindfully.
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If the mods start pulling threads apart whenever there's an off-topic post made we really run that risk of micromanaging and possibly overstepping our bounds, which some other members mentioned as concerns. Post removal might have its place, but we would do well to approach it very mindfully.
Boo hoo....being a moderator takes some work and actual thought. Anddddddd??????
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I can hardly believe that some people have 2000+ posts. This forum hasn't even been here that long.
Some of the shit posters that came from Zoklet...
ngalo1983
SoSo
Riser
All three are idiots/trolls that showed up during Zoklet's demise and contributed to it's degradation. Hopefully they'll make this their primary forum and won't search for other forums.
I was never a member on Zoklet and the name is RisiR. You, can go fuck yourself.
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Again if the thread is about a very clearly defined topic there is no reason to leave posts inciting flamewars in said topic there is literally no reason for it to be there
now if it's about a more fluid topic by all means but you cannot have a thread dedicated to certain information run away from said information this thread http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2047.0 is a perfect example you have a moderator in the thread immediately turn the discussion about how it's useless information and turn the thread into a big argument with no real intelligent discussion on what the OP posted
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Again if the thread is about a very clearly defined topic there is no reason to leave posts inciting flamewars in said topic there is literally no reason for it to be there
now if it's about a more fluid topic by all means but you cannot have a thread dedicated to certain information run away from said information this thread http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2047.0 is a perfect example you have a moderator in the thread immediately turn the discussion about how it's useless information and turn the thread into a big argument with no real intelligent discussion on what the OP posted
Yup, that thread is a great example of off-topic derailing idiocy. Also a wonderful example of why Zek was so despised at Totse/Zoklet.....and why a worser choice for moderator here couldn't have been made. Instead of going to Humanities or HB starting his own thread, he just HAD to ruin the conversation and turn it into his usual "let's hold hands" nonsense that nobody but himself wants to talk about.
Demod this worthless sack of hypocritical bag of flesh already, or no matter how many "changes" you'll come up with in regard to rules enforcement, you'll still have this toxic backwards moron creating drama among the userbase.
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You see, if someone's already seen and responded to a derailing, the damage is already done. Removing posts en masse that were responding to the derailing isn't going to help the issue either. The best that can be done as a mod is to infract the person who started it all and move on. Also, it's not that hard at all to bring a conversation back on topic anyway. In fact, it is more preferable to naturally bring it back on course than to jarringly start removing a bunch of posts.
Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.
Way to completely ignore all the points myself and a few others have made how "leaving the mess" behind does nothing to further incite productive conversation and inevitably chases away potential users. Quit coming into this conversation to do nothing more than justify/defend your BLATANT PAST MISTAKES, and actually put some thought into the bigger picture here.
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST FUCKING SAY ABOUT ME, YOU LITTLE BITCH? I’LL HAVE YOU KNOW I GRADUATED TOP OF MY CLASS IN THE NAVY SEALS, AND I’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS SECRET RAIDS ON AL-QUAEDA, AND I HAVE OVER 300 CONFIRMED KILLS. I AM TRAINED IN GORILLA WARFARE AND I’M THE TOP SNIPER IN THE ENTIRE US ARMED FORCES. YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT JUST ANOTHER TARGET. I WILL WIPE YOU THE FUCK OUT WITH PRECISION THE LIKES OF WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE ON THIS EARTH, MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SAYING THAT SHIT TO ME OVER THE INTERNET? THINK AGAIN, FUCKER. AS WE SPEAK I AM CONTACTING MY SECRET NETWORK OF SPIES ACROSS THE USA AND YOUR IP IS BEING TRACED RIGHT NOW SO YOU BETTER PREPARE FOR THE STORM, MAGGOT. THE STORM THAT WIPES OUT THE PATHETIC LITTLE THING YOU CALL YOUR LIFE. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KID. I CAN BE ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, AND I CAN KILL YOU IN OVER SEVEN HUNDRED WAYS, AND THAT’S JUST WITH MY BARE HANDS. NOT ONLY AM I EXTENSIVELY TRAINED IN UNARMED COMBAT, BUT I HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE ARSENAL OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS AND I WILL USE IT TO ITS FULL EXTENT TO WIPE YOUR MISERABLE ASS OFF THE FACE OF THE CONTINENT, YOU LITTLE SHIT. IF ONLY YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT UNHOLY RETRIBUTION YOUR LITTLE “CLEVER” COMMENT WAS ABOUT TO BRING DOWN UPON YOU, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE HELD YOUR FUCKING TONGUE. BUT YOU COULDN’T, YOU DIDN’T, AND NOW YOU’RE PAYING THE PRICE, YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. I WILL SHIT FURY ALL OVER YOU AND YOU WILL DROWN IN IT. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KIDDO.
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Again if the thread is about a very clearly defined topic there is no reason to leave posts inciting flamewars in said topic there is literally no reason for it to be there
now if it's about a more fluid topic by all means but you cannot have a thread dedicated to certain information run away from said information this thread http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2047.0 is a perfect example you have a moderator in the thread immediately turn the discussion about how it's useless information and turn the thread into a big argument with no real intelligent discussion on what the OP posted
Man, that was a really good thread. This sort of thing is why my feelings as a poster are that moderators should usually go with a "hands off" approach when dealing with individual posts within a thread. Exceptions might include spam and posts that are detrimental to the site.
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Again if the thread is about a very clearly defined topic there is no reason to leave posts inciting flamewars in said topic there is literally no reason for it to be there
now if it's about a more fluid topic by all means but you cannot have a thread dedicated to certain information run away from said information this thread http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2047.0 is a perfect example you have a moderator in the thread immediately turn the discussion about how it's useless information and turn the thread into a big argument with no real intelligent discussion on what the OP posted
Man, that was a really good thread. This sort of thing is why my feelings as a poster are that moderators should usually go with a "hands off" approach when dealing with individual posts within a thread. Exceptions might include spam and posts that are detrimental to the site.
What the absolute fuck that is not a good thread the entire point of the thread was ignored if you wanted to discuss your anti violence bullshit make an anti violence thread you effectively made it impossible for posts about the OP to be discussed in the midst of all the unrelated discussion it's the exact reason you shouldn't be a mod if you think ignoring ops is a good idea
anyone on totse 2 knows what happens when threads are derailed into bullshit I'd point to the shake and bake thread that was impossible for users to get their questions answered in
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You see, if someone's already seen and responded to a derailing, the damage is already done. Removing posts en masse that were responding to the derailing isn't going to help the issue either. The best that can be done as a mod is to infract the person who started it all and move on. Also, it's not that hard at all to bring a conversation back on topic anyway. In fact, it is more preferable to naturally bring it back on course than to jarringly start removing a bunch of posts.
Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.
Way to completely ignore all the points myself and a few others have made how "leaving the mess" behind does nothing to further incite productive conversation and inevitably chases away potential users. Quit coming into this conversation to do nothing more than justify/defend your BLATANT PAST MISTAKES, and actually put some thought into the bigger picture here.
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST FUCKING SAY ABOUT ME, YOU LITTLE BITCH? I’LL HAVE YOU KNOW I GRADUATED TOP OF MY CLASS IN THE NAVY SEALS, AND I’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS SECRET RAIDS ON AL-QUAEDA, AND I HAVE OVER 300 CONFIRMED KILLS. I AM TRAINED IN GORILLA WARFARE AND I’M THE TOP SNIPER IN THE ENTIRE US ARMED FORCES. YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT JUST ANOTHER TARGET. I WILL WIPE YOU THE FUCK OUT WITH PRECISION THE LIKES OF WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE ON THIS EARTH, MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SAYING THAT SHIT TO ME OVER THE INTERNET? THINK AGAIN, FUCKER. AS WE SPEAK I AM CONTACTING MY SECRET NETWORK OF SPIES ACROSS THE USA AND YOUR IP IS BEING TRACED RIGHT NOW SO YOU BETTER PREPARE FOR THE STORM, MAGGOT. THE STORM THAT WIPES OUT THE PATHETIC LITTLE THING YOU CALL YOUR LIFE. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KID. I CAN BE ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, AND I CAN KILL YOU IN OVER SEVEN HUNDRED WAYS, AND THAT’S JUST WITH MY BARE HANDS. NOT ONLY AM I EXTENSIVELY TRAINED IN UNARMED COMBAT, BUT I HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE ARSENAL OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS AND I WILL USE IT TO ITS FULL EXTENT TO WIPE YOUR MISERABLE ASS OFF THE FACE OF THE CONTINENT, YOU LITTLE SHIT. IF ONLY YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT UNHOLY RETRIBUTION YOUR LITTLE “CLEVER” COMMENT WAS ABOUT TO BRING DOWN UPON YOU, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE HELD YOUR FUCKING TONGUE. BUT YOU COULDN’T, YOU DIDN’T, AND NOW YOU’RE PAYING THE PRICE, YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. I WILL SHIT FURY ALL OVER YOU AND YOU WILL DROWN IN IT. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KIDDO.
Hey Idio look how sincere he is about answering questions and being professional
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What the absolute fuck that is not a good thread the entire point of the thread was ignored if you wanted to discuss your anti violence bullshit make an anti violence thread you effectively made it impossible for posts about the OP to be discussed in the midst of all the unrelated discussion it's the exact reason you shouldn't be a mod if you think ignoring ops is a good idea
anyone on totse 2 knows what happens when threads are derailed into bullshit I'd point to the shake and bake thread that was impossible for users to get their questions answered in
Almost 50 posts made by various users. Thoughtful discussion of a fascinating topic. Some humor. What's not to like?
According to Arnox's OP in this thread, was not really off topic either. Started with me giving my opinion (admittedly was pretty snarky about it) about the subject matter, and that organically headed off into some really fun discussion :)
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What the absolute fuck that is not a good thread the entire point of the thread was ignored if you wanted to discuss your anti violence bullshit make an anti violence thread you effectively made it impossible for posts about the OP to be discussed in the midst of all the unrelated discussion it's the exact reason you shouldn't be a mod if you think ignoring ops is a good idea
anyone on totse 2 knows what happens when threads are derailed into bullshit I'd point to the shake and bake thread that was impossible for users to get their questions answered in
Almost 50 posts made by various users. Thoughtful discussion of a fascinating topic. Some humor. What's not to like?
According to Arnox's OP in this thread, was not really off topic either. Started with me giving my opinion (admittedly was pretty snarky about it) about the subject matter, and that organically headed off into some really fun discussion :)
Had it been its own thread that would be fine however you co opted a thread about a specific piece of information to talk about personal politics it had no place being there
if you were an actually good moderator/contributor you would have made your own thread about your views and directed people to that instead of continuing a conversation that wasn't pertaining to the topic
but then again you weren't modded cause you knew what the hell you were doing
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Again if the thread is about a very clearly defined topic there is no reason to leave posts inciting flamewars in said topic there is literally no reason for it to be there
Not true. Flaming posts could easily be related to the topic or the opinion of the opening poster, and heated debate is often closely associated with flaming. The ONLY posts that should be removed are the posts of the kidiot retards, period.
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Again if the thread is about a very clearly defined topic there is no reason to leave posts inciting flamewars in said topic there is literally no reason for it to be there
Not true. Flaming posts could easily be related to the topic or the opinion of the opening poster, and heated debate is often closely associated with flaming. The ONLY posts that should be removed are the posts of the kidiot retards, period.
to clarify saying "M16 is better faggot" in my example thread is fine just saying "*user* is a faggot" is just stupid as it then turns the thread into "no u r" back and forth I'm not talking about heated debate I'm talking about being someone outside of the conversation at hand trying to insert stupid shit
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Again if the thread is about a very clearly defined topic there is no reason to leave posts inciting flamewars in said topic there is literally no reason for it to be there
Not true. Flaming posts could easily be related to the topic or the opinion of the opening poster, and heated debate is often closely associated with flaming. The ONLY posts that should be removed are the posts of the kidiot retards, period.
to clarify saying "M16 is better faggot" in my example thread is fine just saying "*user* is a faggot" is just stupid as it then turns the thread into "no u r" back and forth I'm not talking about heated debate I'm talking about being someone outside of the conversation at hand trying to insert stupid shit
Ok, then. That makes sense to me now.
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You see, if someone's already seen and responded to a derailing, the damage is already done. Removing posts en masse that were responding to the derailing isn't going to help the issue either. The best that can be done as a mod is to infract the person who started it all and move on. Also, it's not that hard at all to bring a conversation back on topic anyway. In fact, it is more preferable to naturally bring it back on course than to jarringly start removing a bunch of posts.
Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.
Way to completely ignore all the points myself and a few others have made how "leaving the mess" behind does nothing to further incite productive conversation and inevitably chases away potential users. Quit coming into this conversation to do nothing more than justify/defend your BLATANT PAST MISTAKES, and actually put some thought into the bigger picture here.
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST FUCKING SAY ABOUT ME, YOU LITTLE BITCH? I’LL HAVE YOU KNOW I GRADUATED TOP OF MY CLASS IN THE NAVY SEALS, AND I’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS SECRET RAIDS ON AL-QUAEDA, AND I HAVE OVER 300 CONFIRMED KILLS. I AM TRAINED IN GORILLA WARFARE AND I’M THE TOP SNIPER IN THE ENTIRE US ARMED FORCES. YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT JUST ANOTHER TARGET. I WILL WIPE YOU THE FUCK OUT WITH PRECISION THE LIKES OF WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE ON THIS EARTH, MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SAYING THAT SHIT TO ME OVER THE INTERNET? THINK AGAIN, FUCKER. AS WE SPEAK I AM CONTACTING MY SECRET NETWORK OF SPIES ACROSS THE USA AND YOUR IP IS BEING TRACED RIGHT NOW SO YOU BETTER PREPARE FOR THE STORM, MAGGOT. THE STORM THAT WIPES OUT THE PATHETIC LITTLE THING YOU CALL YOUR LIFE. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KID. I CAN BE ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, AND I CAN KILL YOU IN OVER SEVEN HUNDRED WAYS, AND THAT’S JUST WITH MY BARE HANDS. NOT ONLY AM I EXTENSIVELY TRAINED IN UNARMED COMBAT, BUT I HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE ARSENAL OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS AND I WILL USE IT TO ITS FULL EXTENT TO WIPE YOUR MISERABLE ASS OFF THE FACE OF THE CONTINENT, YOU LITTLE SHIT. IF ONLY YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT UNHOLY RETRIBUTION YOUR LITTLE “CLEVER” COMMENT WAS ABOUT TO BRING DOWN UPON YOU, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE HELD YOUR FUCKING TONGUE. BUT YOU COULDN’T, YOU DIDN’T, AND NOW YOU’RE PAYING THE PRICE, YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. I WILL SHIT FURY ALL OVER YOU AND YOU WILL DROWN IN IT. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KIDDO.
Not sure if should infract...
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You see, if someone's already seen and responded to a derailing, the damage is already done. Removing posts en masse that were responding to the derailing isn't going to help the issue either. The best that can be done as a mod is to infract the person who started it all and move on. Also, it's not that hard at all to bring a conversation back on topic anyway. In fact, it is more preferable to naturally bring it back on course than to jarringly start removing a bunch of posts.
Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.
Way to completely ignore all the points myself and a few others have made how "leaving the mess" behind does nothing to further incite productive conversation and inevitably chases away potential users. Quit coming into this conversation to do nothing more than justify/defend your BLATANT PAST MISTAKES, and actually put some thought into the bigger picture here.
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST FUCKING SAY ABOUT ME, YOU LITTLE BITCH? I’LL HAVE YOU KNOW I GRADUATED TOP OF MY CLASS IN THE NAVY SEALS, AND I’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS SECRET RAIDS ON AL-QUAEDA, AND I HAVE OVER 300 CONFIRMED KILLS. I AM TRAINED IN GORILLA WARFARE AND I’M THE TOP SNIPER IN THE ENTIRE US ARMED FORCES. YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT JUST ANOTHER TARGET. I WILL WIPE YOU THE FUCK OUT WITH PRECISION THE LIKES OF WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE ON THIS EARTH, MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SAYING THAT SHIT TO ME OVER THE INTERNET? THINK AGAIN, FUCKER. AS WE SPEAK I AM CONTACTING MY SECRET NETWORK OF SPIES ACROSS THE USA AND YOUR IP IS BEING TRACED RIGHT NOW SO YOU BETTER PREPARE FOR THE STORM, MAGGOT. THE STORM THAT WIPES OUT THE PATHETIC LITTLE THING YOU CALL YOUR LIFE. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KID. I CAN BE ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, AND I CAN KILL YOU IN OVER SEVEN HUNDRED WAYS, AND THAT’S JUST WITH MY BARE HANDS. NOT ONLY AM I EXTENSIVELY TRAINED IN UNARMED COMBAT, BUT I HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE ARSENAL OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS AND I WILL USE IT TO ITS FULL EXTENT TO WIPE YOUR MISERABLE ASS OFF THE FACE OF THE CONTINENT, YOU LITTLE SHIT. IF ONLY YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT UNHOLY RETRIBUTION YOUR LITTLE “CLEVER” COMMENT WAS ABOUT TO BRING DOWN UPON YOU, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE HELD YOUR FUCKING TONGUE. BUT YOU COULDN’T, YOU DIDN’T, AND NOW YOU’RE PAYING THE PRICE, YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. I WILL SHIT FURY ALL OVER YOU AND YOU WILL DROWN IN IT. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KIDDO.
Not sure if should infract...
That was actually a post some kidiot posted a couple of months ago.
http://trollpasta.wikia.com/wiki/Gorrila_Warfare_(Internet_Tough_Guy)
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Gorilla warfare is super old, lame and gay.
Though, Gorilla warfare itselfs is pretty hardcore.
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You see, if someone's already seen and responded to a derailing, the damage is already done. Removing posts en masse that were responding to the derailing isn't going to help the issue either. The best that can be done as a mod is to infract the person who started it all and move on. Also, it's not that hard at all to bring a conversation back on topic anyway. In fact, it is more preferable to naturally bring it back on course than to jarringly start removing a bunch of posts.
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST FUCKING SAY ABOUT ME, YOU LITTLE BITCH? I’LL HAVE YOU KNOW I GRADUATED TOP OF MY CLASS IN THE NAVY SEALS, AND I’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS SECRET RAIDS ON AL-QUAEDA, AND I HAVE OVER 300 CONFIRMED KILLS. I AM TRAINED IN GORILLA WARFARE AND I’M THE TOP SNIPER IN THE ENTIRE US ARMED FORCES. YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT JUST ANOTHER TARGET. I WILL WIPE YOU THE FUCK OUT WITH PRECISION THE LIKES OF WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE ON THIS EARTH, MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SAYING THAT SHIT TO ME OVER THE INTERNET? THINK AGAIN, FUCKER. AS WE SPEAK I AM CONTACTING MY SECRET NETWORK OF SPIES ACROSS THE USA AND YOUR IP IS BEING TRACED RIGHT NOW SO YOU BETTER PREPARE FOR THE STORM, MAGGOT. THE STORM THAT WIPES OUT THE PATHETIC LITTLE THING YOU CALL YOUR LIFE. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KID. I CAN BE ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, AND I CAN KILL YOU IN OVER SEVEN HUNDRED WAYS, AND THAT’S JUST WITH MY BARE HANDS. NOT ONLY AM I EXTENSIVELY TRAINED IN UNARMED COMBAT, BUT I HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE ARSENAL OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS AND I WILL USE IT TO ITS FULL EXTENT TO WIPE YOUR MISERABLE ASS OFF THE FACE OF THE CONTINENT, YOU LITTLE SHIT. IF ONLY YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT UNHOLY RETRIBUTION YOUR LITTLE “CLEVER” COMMENT WAS ABOUT TO BRING DOWN UPON YOU, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE HELD YOUR FUCKING TONGUE. BUT YOU COULDN’T, YOU DIDN’T, AND NOW YOU’RE PAYING THE PRICE, YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. I WILL SHIT FURY ALL OVER YOU AND YOU WILL DROWN IN IT. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KIDDO.
What do you mean the "damage is already done"??? You are implying it can't be "fixed" or the ONLY people reading these threads are here that minute, that hour when the derailing tripe was immediately posted. My god Arnox, are you this fucking daft? This isn't a chatroom where the ONLY people that are "part of the conversation" are the ones that are currently there. Its a fuckin message forum, where the conversation lasts for days, weeks, sometimes even months and years.
This comment alone shows how utterly clueless you are in regards to anything....just understanding the sheer chemistry of a BBS is a foreign concept to you.
And as someone else has already said, your milquetoast copy/pasta flame(?) is a great example of your seriousness, sincerity and professionalism. Officially put me in the group of people that completely believes now that this place is utterly doomed and has zero hope of succeeding.
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Man, that was a really good thread. This sort of thing is why my feelings as a poster are that moderators should usually go with a "hands off" approach when dealing with individual posts within a thread. Exceptions might include spam and posts that are detrimental to the site.
Almost 50 posts made by various users. Thoughtful discussion of a fascinating topic. Some humor. What's not to like?
According to Arnox's OP in this thread, was not really off topic either. Started with me giving my opinion (admittedly was pretty snarky about it) about the subject matter, and that organically headed off into some really fun discussion :)
Further proof why Zek should be demodded immediately, because he is ONLY here to derail, attention whore, piss people off, and act like the immature spastic goof that he is.
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Gorilla warfare is super old, lame and gay.
Though, Gorilla warfare itselfs is pretty hardcore.
I'm sure the Guerrillas will be pleased. ;)
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As far as starvingniglet quoting my response in the other thread, that's fine, but understand that things could change
Am I correct in reading this as there is some sort of issue with me quoting posts from one thread and using them in another? If so, that is totally fucking moronic
If not, then never mind me, I have this chip on my shoulder, see, and....you get the idea
No, you are not correct. Sorry if that's what I insinuated.
I just thought that when you said, "quoted, to avoid future revisionism," you were implying that what I say is written in stone and that things never change and I'm never wrong. Both of those things happen all the time.
Flick that chip.
by typing 'to avoid future revisionism' I am attempting to prevent someone from saying 'we have never had free speech' or 'we have always had free speech' or various other ways one can go back and rewrite the past.
Or, one could look at it this way: it seemed like a momentous quote, so I preserved it for posterity.
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But having more than one place would give shitposters the illusion of 'choice', it would also make it that much more relevant when someone is infracted for OT posting in other threads..."You guys have multiple places to post this stuff, there is no excuse for derailing this thread...blah blah' you get the idea
The old cliche....."give them an inch, and they still ask for a mile" comes to mind. Personally, I don't give a fuck about coddling "shit posters" and they should just be grateful they have any playpen to flick boogers back and forth at each other. Your rhetoric of "giving them choices" so they feel better about themselves just gives them the wrongful belief they are on the same level as the actual viable contributors when in fact all they really are is shit posters.
That's like saying indigent welfare recipients should all have mansions provided for them, just so they feel like they fit in with the elite/upper class. We ain't here to stroke egos or comfort emotionally fragile people....I thought it was about ADULT discourse and not too much more than that.
to this I would say 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' and I would also post another goddamn annoying e.e. cummings poem
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to this I would say ' eye of the beholder'
And to that I would remind you of the old Twilight Zone episode where ugly is really the norm, and beauty is actually feared. Come to think of it, this place is starting to remind me of that very story....when is Rod Serling going to pop his head out with a cigarette in hand with the funky music playing in the background?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dloBl_kIMk
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Or, one could look at it this way: it seemed like a momentous quote, so I preserved it for posterity.
You're too kind.
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Now we play the "we can't tell the difference between a shit post and an actual contribution" game. Just an endless cycle of complete and utter failure.
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an endless cycle of complete and utter failure.
what, like the one we are on right now?
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If it is spam, it is policy to remove those posts. Otherwise, who are we to decide what content should or should not remain on the site? Blatant derailers will be infracted and subsequently banned for offenses, but the posts will remain unless it is spam.
If the majority of the userbase reasonably wants derailing and/or shit posts removed then that in itself is enough reason. You can of course ignore the userbase' reasonable requests, but the internet is littered with enough failed Totse clones to illustrate why that is foolish in the long run.
We keep it there mostly out of proof that the person has committed an offense ...
NIMF.
You see, if someone's already seen and responded to a derailing, the damage is already done. Removing posts en masse that were responding to the derailing isn't going to help the issue either. The best that can be done as a mod is to infract the person who started it all and move on. Also, it's not that hard at all to bring a conversation back on topic anyway. In fact, it is more preferable to naturally bring it back on course than to jarringly start removing a bunch of posts.
...but also because other people might have responded to the derailment/quoted it and it reads wrong when you remove the offending post.
NIMF.
If post removal is done well and in a timely fashion, people who click on the thread title will find the thread content and thread title actually relate to each other. People who've derailed, and by that I do not mean 'conversational meandering' but completely irrelevant commentary and/or shitposting, can continue their discussion in NIMF. No one gets seriously 'jarred' unless the post-excision is done by an autistic wielding a meat cleaver.
This was the purpose of the NIMF forum on Totse and when sensibly used the system worked well.
If the mods start pulling threads apart whenever there's an off-topic post made we really run that risk of micromanaging and possibly overstepping our bounds, which some other members mentioned as concerns. Post removal might have its place, but we would do well to approach it very mindfully.
E' has raised an excellent point. Assume the majority of the userbase reasonably request that blatant thread derails/shitposts are moved to NIMF, and Arnox gives the the mods the authority to carry out this task. The question then becomes; would every member of the team be able to reliably perform that task with competence?
Given the extremely selective and character-based criteria by which Arnox picks his unimpeachable staff and barring the occasional honest human error, the answer to that question is surely... yes.
Or have I missed something, Equanimity?
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Or have I missed something, Equanimity?
Arnox outlined the "post removal criteria" in his OP here. That's our standard until further notice.
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If it is spam, it is policy to remove those posts. Otherwise, who are we to decide what content should or should not remain on the site? Blatant derailers will be infracted and subsequently banned for offenses, but the posts will remain unless it is spam.
If the majority of the userbase reasonably wants derailing and/or shit posts removed then that in itself is enough reason. You can of course ignore the userbase' reasonable requests, but the internet is littered with enough failed Totse clones to illustrate why that is foolish in the long run.
We keep it there mostly out of proof that the person has committed an offense ...
NIMF.
You see, if someone's already seen and responded to a derailing, the damage is already done. Removing posts en masse that were responding to the derailing isn't going to help the issue either. The best that can be done as a mod is to infract the person who started it all and move on. Also, it's not that hard at all to bring a conversation back on topic anyway. In fact, it is more preferable to naturally bring it back on course than to jarringly start removing a bunch of posts.
...but also because other people might have responded to the derailment/quoted it and it reads wrong when you remove the offending post.
NIMF.
If post removal is done well and in a timely fashion, people who click on the thread title will find the thread content and thread title actually relate to each other. People who've derailed, and by that I do not mean 'conversational meandering' but completely irrelevant commentary and/or shitposting, can continue their discussion in NIMF. No one gets seriously 'jarred' unless the post-excision is done by an autistic wielding a meat cleaver.
This was the purpose of the NIMF forum on Totse and when sensibly used the system worked well.
If the mods start pulling threads apart whenever there's an off-topic post made we really run that risk of micromanaging and possibly overstepping our bounds, which some other members mentioned as concerns. Post removal might have its place, but we would do well to approach it very mindfully.
E' has raised an excellent point. Assume the majority of the userbase reasonably request that blatant thread derails/shitposts are moved to NIMF, and Arnox gives the the mods the authority to carry out this task. The question then becomes; would every member of the team be able to reliably perform that task with competence?
Given the extremely selective and character-based criteria by which Arnox picks his unimpeachable staff and barring the occasional honest human error, the answer to that question is surely... yes.
Or have I missed something, Equanimity?
Well said.
Moving off-topic posts and conversations to NIMF would clean up the thread as well as allow moderators to keep their proof. Don't you agree Arnox? Isn't that more logical and reasonable and better then leaving the garbage in the middle of legitimate discussion?
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Then you go into the NIMF forum and see certain nicks just plastered all through there over months and years, but you don't do anything about them.
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Or have I missed something, Equanimity?
Arnox outlined the "post removal criteria" in his OP here. That's our standard until further notice.
I'm well aware of what Arnox has said. I'm asking you to think for yourself.
Am I asking too much?
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Or have I missed something, Equanimity?
Arnox outlined the "post removal criteria" in his OP here. That's our standard until further notice.
I'm well aware of what Arnox has said. I'm asking you to think for yourself.
Am I asking too much?
You want my personal opinion?
Moving individual posts is almost never necessary, and doing so is likely to create a fair amount of strife that only makes things worse.
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SOTB, yes we would all be able to carry out the task.
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Hey look, non contributors complaining.
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Hey look, non contributors complaining.
I see people having a discussion. And your ironic post, of course.
If the mods start pulling threads apart whenever there's an off-topic post made we really run that risk of micromanaging and possibly overstepping our bounds, which some other members mentioned as concerns. Post removal might have its place, but we would do well to approach it very mindfully.
SOTB, yes we would all be able to carry out the task.
I don't doubt you personally Idiosyncrasy, but Equanimity's faith in the mod team's competence seems far less resolute.
I'm curious as to why there's a difference in attitude.
Or have I missed something, Equanimity?
Arnox outlined the "post removal criteria" in his OP here. That's our standard until further notice.
I'm well aware of what Arnox has said. I'm asking you to think for yourself.
Am I asking too much?
You want my personal opinion?
Moving individual posts is almost never necessary, and doing so is likely to create a fair amount of strife that only makes things worse.
And, as a moderator, you base your opinion on what experience?
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Slave, I don't see a majority of posters asking for more posts to be moved. There were a few posters for, and a few against. If Arnox decided it was best and tasked us with removing off-topic posts, we of course could all manage it.
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Slave, I don't see a majority of posters asking for more posts to be moved. There were a few posters for, and a few against. If Arnox decided it was best and tasked us with removing off-topic posts, we of course could all manage it.
What's the point of leaving shitposts and derailments in the middle of legitimate conversations? Don't you agree that it's more logical to move them to NIMF?
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What's the point of leaving shitposts and derailments in the middle of legitimate conversations? Don't you agree that it's more logical to move them to NIMF?
Obbe is pissed that everyone didn't take his gay 'living reality' thread seriously, so he is going to demand that moderators regulate everyone elses' conversations to keep out 'shitposts' and 'derailments'.
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You want my personal opinion?
Moving individual posts is almost never necessary, and doing so is likely to create a fair amount of strife that only makes things worse.
And, as a moderator, you base your opinion on what experience?
Slave, I don't see a majority of posters asking for more posts to be moved. There were a few posters for, and a few against.
You haven't answered my question.
If the mods start pulling threads apart whenever there's an off-topic post made we really run that risk of micromanaging and possibly overstepping our bounds, which some other members mentioned as concerns. Post removal might have its place, but we would do well to approach it very mindfully.
If Arnox decided it was best and tasked us with removing off-topic posts, we of course could all manage it.
So the risks that you thought were "really" possible no longer exist, despite the mod team in question being exactly the same as it was 24 hrs ago when you made that statement.
What precisely has changed?
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What's the point of leaving shitposts and derailments in the middle of legitimate conversations? Don't you agree that it's more logical to move them to NIMF?
Obbe is pissed that everyone didn't take his gay 'living reality' thread seriously, so he is going to demand that moderators regulate everyone elses' conversations to keep out 'shitposts' and 'derailments'.
It has nothing to do with you. Attention whore. Lanny caused much more grief in that thread than you.
What I'm saying here has nothing to do with any individual, but what is logically the best way to deal with off-topic posts.
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Obbe is pissed that everyone didn't take his gay 'living reality' thread seriously, so he is going to demand that moderators regulate everyone elses' conversations to keep out 'shitposts' and 'derailments'.
I never thought that this community of all places would be so full of petty control freaks and censorship advocates. We are supposed to stand apart from everyone else....we are the ones that 'get it', the ones that see through all the bullshit that surrounds us.
But some of you just cannot overcome the crippling scourge of 'shitposting'. All those mean, harsh words, getting in your way...day after day they get badder and scarier until one day you just can't go on, so you raise the pistol to just above eye level and put it up to your temple.....You fucking mewling bitches, you let words control you and offend you and get in your way.
Some of you are so affected by mere words that you demand that they be removed from your presence and the conversation, lest they 'pollute' your pristine verbal constructions that satisfy your infantile egos. Its like getting lung cancer, and blaming the air for it.
Attention whore
I don't care about myself...this is about you...allll about you.
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I never thought that this community of all places would be so full of petty control freaks and censorship advocates. We are supposed to stand apart from everyone else....we are the ones that 'get it', the ones that see through all the bullshit that surrounds us.
For what it's worth I'm advocating shitposts in 'mature' forums simply get moved to NIMF. I'm not advocating infracting people for constant shitposting or derailing, i.e. the way it has been done in this community for several years.
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You haven't answered my question.
What? No way ;)
So the risks that you thought were "really" possible no longer exist, despite the mod team in question being exactly the same as it was 24 hrs ago when you made that statement.
What precisely has changed?
If micromanagement is what turns you on, we can move and edit posts 'til you get yours. It wouldn't be my policy if I were Arnox, and it would cause a hopefully small amount of strife. But it's his website, and we're plenty capable of moving posts around if that becomes our job around here.
Obbe I accidentally deleted my reply to you, but it was something about fostering a sense of community and not being too worried about what the other posters are up to. Chill out, be awesome. Don't waste your time keeping a watchful eye on your neighbors and petitioning city council to outlaw whatever it is they're doing when that energy could be better spent doing something productive and creative.
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a post like this:
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could be thrown in NIMF
but what if the intent of the post was to denote that the poster was waiting for an answer, or pausing and trying to emphasize that for effect?
a post like this:
:tup:
could be thrown in NIMF
but since we don't have thanks, what other way is there to express approval of another persons post without having anything else to add to the conversation?
a post like this:
"fuck you, <user>!
could be thrown in NIMF
but since when is expressing extreme disapproval of another poster considered 'contentless' or 'shitposting' or whatever?
I could go on, and on (believe me, I could) but the point is, sometimes posts are misinterpreted and sometimes conversational nuances are too complicated to attempt to 'regulate'.
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Want to get rid of shitposting? Get rid of the shit posters. It's that simple.
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you just can't go on, so you raise the pistol to just above eye level and put it up to your temple..
What a terrribly inaccurate analogy. It's more like a guy wandering around the woods, and suddenly stumbles upon a maimed and crippled animal after suffering whatever mortal injury. The animal is just pleading and crying to the gods themselves for attention or help....and you finally raise that pistol and put a bullet in its brain, not because you are "afraid" of it. Instead because its life serves no purpose, no use, its not a viable or productive life force any more...it's already on its death spiral, why not do the right thing?
Its like getting lung cancer, and blaming the air for it.
Another bad analogy. It more like getting scabies after going to a party and sitting on a couch. The same couch that was frequented by eccentric's Uncle Joe's latest conquest he's just been dating the last couple months. Problem being, his partner is a sickly transsexual queer infested with all sorts of communicable diseases....and if not for Uncle Joe's selfishness, and weird affinity for derelicts, now you wouldn't be itching. Do you blame the couch? Of course you don't....you blame the sickly queer, and the thoughtless oaf that brought him to the party.
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a post like this:
.........................
could be thrown in NIMF
but what if the intent of the post was to denote that the poster was waiting for an answer, or pausing and trying to emphasize that for effect?
a post like this:
:tup:
could be thrown in NIMF
but since we don't have thanks, what other way is there to express approval of another persons post without having anything else to add to the conversation?
a post like this:
"fuck you, <user>!
could be thrown in NIMF
but since when is expressing extreme disapproval of another poster considered 'contentless' or 'shitposting' or whatever?
I could go on, and on (believe me, I could) but the point is, sometimes posts are misinterpreted and sometimes conversational nuances are too complicated to attempt to 'regulate'.
Every example you just put up is utter trash and SHOULD be deemed as a "shitpost". If people don't have the attention span or intellect to actually put a couple of lines of ORIGINAL thought to the discussion...then they have zero business being in the thread or on a BBS as a whole. They need to find a chatroom, that is what "half conversations/incomplete thoughts" are for.
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a post like this:
.........................
could be thrown in NIMF
but what if the intent of the post was to denote that the poster was waiting for an answer, or pausing and trying to emphasize that for effect?
a post like this:
:tup:
could be thrown in NIMF
but since we don't have thanks, what other way is there to express approval of another persons post without having anything else to add to the conversation?
a post like this:
"fuck you, <user>!
could be thrown in NIMF
but since when is expressing extreme disapproval of another poster considered 'contentless' or 'shitposting' or whatever?
I could go on, and on (believe me, I could) but the point is, sometimes posts are misinterpreted and sometimes conversational nuances are too complicated to attempt to 'regulate'.
I get where you're coming from but there is a reason the site and sites like it are broken up into sections and sub forums if you want to say fuck you user go to bitch and moan there is no problem with that
however there are posts in places like network insecurity bad ideas back yard ballistics weapons & combat that are just about information and should be kept that way so people can easily access and read the information there
if people just post shit all over the place with no semblance of organization why even have sections. Every one should be allowed to post whatever they want just take it to the right place to post it is all so threads can stay on point about what people set out to discuss.
also I know I personally am fine with the thumbs up since it's about equivalent to a thanks or this post I don't think anyone is against those posts.
and at this point it should be painfully clear that trying to have discourse with equanimity is ridiculously hopeless SOTB
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I call them them ICQ-Chat-Lite crowd. Lost little fuckups who should actually be in IRC or some such. They like to think that posting a three-word shitdrop ten thousand times over several years is somehow helping anything as far as the purpose of a discussion-based BBS. I'd send the little fuckers packing to MSN.
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Want to get rid of shitposting? Get rid of the shit posters. It's that simple.
Or, you know, maybe a less extreme solution like using the ignore feature.
If you read some of the exchanges I had with obbe recently, I noted that many times, just asking everyone in the thread 'can we get back on topic?' works at least temporarily to get the discussion going again. If someone is repeatedly derailing the thread, just ignore them. If they end up having something to say later that adds to the conversation, and no one reads it because everyone has them on ignore, well that is just too bad.
That, as well as the disdain shown towards immature, derailing users by a sizeable portion of the users (need I mention tacho aka 'train'?), pretty much keeps everyone in line without moderators having to hover over everyone's conversations like a hawk, waiting for someone to post some one-liner or someone to report a post for them to delete.
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and at this point it should be painfully clear that trying to have discourse with equanimity is ridiculously hopeless SOTB
Absolutely this! Its like a bunch of mob boss godfathers sitting around trying to sort out issues and the world....and then suddenly a door pops open and in comes some stupid fairy skipping around dropping flower petals all over the place while singing the theme song to "Sound of Music". Zek really has no purpose, relevance or use here...when the fuck is Arnox going to finally get the bigger picture?
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if people just post shit all over the place with no semblance of organization why even have sections. Every one should be allowed to post whatever they want just take it to the right place to post it is all so threads can stay on point about what people set out to discuss.
also I know I personally am fine with the thumbs up since it's about equivalent to a thanks or this post I don't think anyone is against those posts.
So, no one should post 'shit' all over the place, but :tup: is ok?
what else is ok? smileys? what else?
where do we draw the line? who decides that sort of thing?
individual moderators, based on how they feel about the user in question or their mood that particular day?
nah, I don't like it. Don't like it one bit.
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a bunch of mob boss godfathers
More like a bunch of petty criminals, sexual degenerates, fedora enthusiasts, and dope fiends
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if people just post shit all over the place with no semblance of organization why even have sections. Every one should be allowed to post whatever they want just take it to the right place to post it is all so threads can stay on point about what people set out to discuss.
also I know I personally am fine with the thumbs up since it's about equivalent to a thanks or this post I don't think anyone is against those posts.
So, no one should post 'shit' all over the place, but :tup: is ok?
what else is ok? smileys? what else?
where do we draw the line? who decides that sort of thing?
individual moderators, based on how they feel about the user in question or their mood that particular day?
nah, I don't like it. Don't like it one bit.
I assumed you meant someone posting a :tup: in a thread where they would have other wise thanked or agreed with the poster I am not saying posting smileys everywhere would be a good practice
Again I am only talking about threads with a very clearly defined informational topic such as diagrams and research I'm not necessarily talking about a thread with an open question in it that can be interpreted multiple ways
like I said before I'm of the mind where you want to post smileys there's a place for that it just isn't in a thread about network security firearms or explosives
it's very clear about what should be posted where hence the descriptions on the forums if you think W&C is the place to talk about how much you love chocolate you're in the wrong fucking place no one is saying you can't talk about chocolate just do it where you'll find people looking for that conversation
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Also moderators actually being able to MODERATE a discussion should be chosen because they are capable of making well thought out judgement calls specifically about this if you think they can't maybe it's cause they shouldn't be a moderator
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What we need is a book of excuses which anyone can simply draw from when the feeling hits. It could have a Table of Contents, an Index, even a prologue and special section at the end for credits, contributions and commendations. We could label the sections by a number/letter arrangement. ie: 1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b, 2c, and even add excuse sub-sections, such as 1b article 7. That way, any time someone needs a convenient duck and dive, or wishes to cite a duck and dive, they can simply refer to the section/sub-section/article. ie: please refer to Duck and Dive 73m article 109, paragraph 13, etc, etc, etc...
Thats the way you have always operated. So why not just share the manual you wrote?
You again!??
*pulls out drawing board*
Not again, still you faggart.
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You want my personal opinion?
Moving individual posts is almost never necessary, and doing so is likely to create a fair amount of strife that only makes things worse.
And, as a moderator, you base your opinion on what experience?
Slave, I don't see a majority of posters asking for more posts to be moved. There were a few posters for, and a few against.
You haven't answered my question.
What? No way ;)
No, you haven't answered a direct and simple question. Which means you either don't have any experience of this situation, or no experience you are prepared to admit to (I wonder why...).
If the mods start pulling threads apart whenever there's an off-topic post made we really run that risk of micromanaging and possibly overstepping our bounds, which some other members mentioned as concerns. Post removal might have its place, but we would do well to approach it very mindfully.
If Arnox decided it was best and tasked us with removing off-topic posts, we of course could all manage it.
So the risks that you thought were "really" possible no longer exist, despite the mod team in question being exactly the same as it was 24 hrs ago when you made that statement.
What precisely has changed?
If micromanagement is what turns you on, we can move and edit posts 'til you get yours. It wouldn't be my policy if I were Arnox, and it would cause a hopefully small amount of strife. But it's his website, and we're plenty capable of moving posts around if that becomes our job around here.
Even if that were true, it's completely irrelevant to the question; why have you fully reversed your opinion of the mod teams' abilities within the space of 24hrs?
I'm going to keep on asking this question until I get a direct answer.
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Also moderators actually being able to MODERATE a discussion should be chosen because they are capable of making well thought out judgement calls specifically about this if you think they can't maybe it's cause they shouldn't be a moderator
That's exactly right. The ones who have the authority need to know exactly what they are doing and exactly how to do it. No posers or pretenders, otherwise the whole premise folds. Will the right people arrive at those positions? Nope. Not at all. And the cycle continues.