Living Reality

[Lanny]

This seems to be a theme with you and it's dumb. Yes there are ambiguous life/death states but you go and try and blow it up and act like human knowledge is leveled by a few undecidable cases (or you act like you now have license to stretch the meaning of "life" to ridiculous extremes). It's ironic that you're the one here who seems to have fallen for a false dichotomy. Yes, live/death is a taxonomical classification and it can't clearly categorize every piece of matter in the universe. This does not mean "there is no life and death" or "the universe i s alive".

[Obbe]

This seems to be a theme with you and it's dumb. Yes there are ambiguous life/death states but you go and try and blow it up and act like human knowledge is leveled by a few undecidable cases (or you act like you now have license to stretch the meaning of "life" to ridiculous extremes). It's ironic that you're the one here who seems to have fallen for a false dichotomy. Yes, live/death is a taxonomical classification and it can't clearly categorize every piece of matter in the universe. This does not mean "there is no life and death" or "the universe i s alive".

Did I ever say the universe is alive?

Life and death are just concepts Lanny.  The reality is much more vague then our conceptions of it.  And so what if it is?

[Lanny]

What does that even mean? What is "vague" when applied to reality?

[Obbe]

What does that even mean? What is "vague" when applied to reality?

Life and death. 

[Lanny]

drugs are nice sometimes but if you use too many too often you too may bed up like poor obbe

[Obbe]

Can't you stay on topic?  We don't really know when a person becomes a person. We don't really know when a person ceases to be. We just try to make sense out of a vague situation.  But I will say this - life and death are really one thing.  Just two sides of the same coin, or two ends of one stick.  Lanny might think that's delusional drug induced nonsense, but drugs have nothing to do with this.

[Lanny]

yes, because two sides of a coin are TOTALLY THE SAME THING and that analogy isn't shitty and broken at all

[Obbe]

yes, because two sides of a coin are TOTALLY THE SAME THING and that analogy isn't shitty and broken at all

So a coin isn't one thing with two sides?   

[Lanny]

It is.

So one side shares an identity with all other sides of the same object?

[Obbe]

It is.

So one side shares an identity with all other sides of the same object?

Side is just a concept.  There is nothing separating one side from another.

[Slave of the Beast]

Can't you stay on topic?  We don't really know when a person becomes a person. We don't really know when a person ceases to be. We just try to make sense out of a vague situation. 

There can be a lack of definition around the transition points, over than that it is usually crystal clear when a person is dead or alive.

But I will say this - life and death are really one thing.  Just two sides of the same coin, or two ends of one stick.  Lanny might think that's delusional drug induced nonsense, but drugs have nothing to do with this.

1 =/= 2.

[RisiR]

How many sides does a sphere have?

[Lanny]

Side is just a concept.  There is nothing separating one side from another.

Except for the fact that the sides are actually different, have different properties, and don't share identity by merit of the fact that we can even refer to the in the first place.

[RisiR]

I've mentioned a sphere, guys. Are you seizuring already?

[Idiosyncrasy]

Lanny, Obbe confirmed that his idea has nothing to do with drugs. Let's keep it on topic please.