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Offline Arnox

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We Have Hit A Crossroad
« on: June 12, 2014, 02:54:08 AM »
I think in the back of my mind, I knew this was gonna come up sooner or later.

OK, to understand why I created this thread in the first place, I need to explain some stuff that happened today.

Basically, to start, oppenheimer created a dumb joke thread in the Marketplace complete with a wonderful NSFW picture. After that, and I didn't actually see this myself, but IS also supposedly created a post in this thread that was completely and utterly off-topic. After that, edify came online, saw those two posts and banned opp for spamming the marketplace with a joke thread that wasn't in HB and IS for spamming a thread with a completely off-topic post. Both posts were accidentally hard-deleted.

Opp's banning though and the deleted posts have opened up a whole host of difficult moderation questions for me that must be answered. For example, should joke topics in the serious sub-forums be constituted as spam? Should posts be deleted, assuming they're not bot spam or equivalent?

And it gets better. The rules have been debated back and forth. Others have called for someone's banning, saying they're "shit posting' even though they don't give a definition of such. Others still say to chill out.

Now, I've been looking at how the original totse was moderated. Apparently it varied highly as it depended upon the board and the moderators discretion. It looked like there were some rules though apparently. Unfortunately though, the Wayback Machine only has the SG rules it looks like.

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These regulations will be considered, and failure to comply with these rules will result in an infraction or an automatic ban.
We expect your threads to begin with a minimum of two content filled sentences that inspire converstation or debate.

Things that are not allowed are:

---Single word/phrase threads.
-"Discuss"
-"Read topic title"
-"Post"

---Single sentence threads.
-"I'm so pissed! Grr!"
-"I just had breakfast. (Followed by pictures)"
-"What are your thoughts on the subject?"

---Threads with no valid initial content for discussion.
-"I am typing in this thread. You should try it!"
-"Look outside! Do you see what I see?!"
-"When this page gets to (X) pages, I will (Y)"

We require that posting in SG means considering several key points as to the understanding of the forum:

Consider:

---It is the role of the moderation team to decide what belongs and does not belong in the forum, and NOT the role of the regulars.

---It is the role of the moderation team to decide whether a misplaced thread should be moved or closed. As such, it is also their decision whether a thread not following these guidelines should be closed or deleted, and whether or not the offending user gets penalized.

---It is the role of the thread starter to engage the conversation, not the users replying.

---Your username cannot be Slag.

---These regulations apply to the first post in a thread, or the 'thread-starting' post, and not to the replies following, unless it were a deliberate tampering by the thread starter.

These rules are a cooperative decision by the moderation team. The rules can and will change at any time without prior notice. It is the right and privilege of the moderation team to enforce these regulations to the best of their judgment, both as a whole and individually.
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If a thread starter started a conversation like:

"So hey, I was watching the news the other day, and I wanted to know you guys' opinions on the big blaming deal of the V-Tech shootings." And then posted "LOL JUS KIDDING META IS NAZI MOD OMG FEGGIT!!111" soon after, it would be against the regulations and constitute an infraction as spam.

If a thread starter started a thread that violated a regulation, then afterwards tried to begin a legitimate conversation, the thread still would not be valid, since it goes with the 'thread-starting' post.

If a thread started began a thread with "LOL Y U STAB ME", and someone else posted "IB4L" after it, it wouldnt matter, since the "IB4L" post was a reply.

Make more sense?
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Originally Posted by XiPPiLLi  View Post
You can DISCUSS what you want here in SG, not just say it.
Its a difference betweeen a thread that reads "I'm tired." and a thread that reads "So I had to pull a double shift today because my asshole co-worker decided not to come in. Apparently he's sick, but I saw him with his girlfriend as I was coming to work today. So now, because of his dumbassery, I'm tired. Does anyone else have this happen?"

Save the single sentences for Half Baked.

Also, HB was apparently /b/ in terms of rules. What to make of this, I don't know. It's up for debate as to whether these rules really worked to the totse forums advantage.

Now, normally I would post this in H&S but in the end, I feel this is a decision I have to make, so this is more a statement than anything. How we moderate is gonna change around here. As to how, that's currently being worked on. Most of the blame for the confusion here though is mostly my fault, and I'd like to apologize for that. So, if anything else, there's gonna be more consistency around here.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2014, 03:18:18 AM by Arnox »


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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 11:18:03 AM »
Was Opp's post actually a dumb post or was he serious?
Whoever accidentally hard-deleted the off-topic posts should be banned for violating site rules ("What gets posted here stays here")
Where's Edify?

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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2014, 12:58:20 PM »
Bro. BRO. I SAID CHILL BRO. I SAID CHILL THE FUCK OUT BRO YOU'RE THINKING TOO HARD.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2014, 09:29:22 PM »
Was Opp's post actually a dumb post or was he serious?
It was a dumb post.


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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 01:31:32 AM »
Was Opp's post actually a dumb post or was he serious?
Whoever accidentally hard-deleted the off-topic posts should be banned for violating site rules ("What gets posted here stays here")



Arnox, I think if the joke thread is actually funny and or clever and doesn't violate any rules, it should stay. if its dumb stupid shit, delete it.

who's the judge of if its funny and or clever? the mods. period.
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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2014, 02:03:45 AM »
oh god you guys sound like a cult.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2014, 11:39:24 PM »
the posts were deleted because there was no plausible validity to them being in violation, much less ban worthy. in legal parlance it is known as unauthorized
destruction of evidence. i dont know how this site runs but ever single site i ever had delete-post/thread ability in, there were multiple steps required to delete said item and impossible to do accidentally.  the fact is, this was not an accident. this is a typical tactic street crap has shown a propensity for.  the same propensity for infracting posters back on totse2 when they bruised the fragile ego of his web bitch, hazza

99.9% of the posts on this site are dumb.  may as well delete them all.  including the one hazza made with the first post in the thread being 'bump.'  seriously...there is no conceivable way to make a more spamtastic shit-post than to create a thread with no other content than 'bump.'  this is an example why im done here. 

britfagniggerjewcocksucker makes the epitome of a violation of 'rule' #1 and nary a peep is heard.  oppenhimey makes a perfectly valid post...regardless of the
mistaken opinion of a certain defective modtard (no names mentioned but the name begins with 'S' and rhymes with 'street crap')...and it gets him a ban. for the
thread/posts to have been deleted is proof enough that there was no justification.  this in itself would have caused any court case to be dismissed due to lack of
evidence.  and no...modtard is not capable of adequately modding or making a determination on what is appropriate or not.

HNIC...grow some balls and stop being a dumb nigger.  fuck totse and how they did things. you made this site so do it your way. and stop listening to hazza unless
you want to royally and inscrutably fuck things up

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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2014, 12:49:19 AM »
This is fucking hilarious, so you make a post telling arnox to run the place how he wants to, then you go on crying about how unjust everything is and tell him to run it a certain way, then follow that by telling him not to listen to someone.

Stop being a big baby and trying to be 2edgy4everyone using your "free speech" to be a fucking mong and spamming the place up/purposely breaking rules to show us how much of an internet badass you are, just be a normal human being and maybe you wont keep getting banned.

But since you've ban evaded twice, that seems like grounds of atleast a one month ban. Then permaban if done again.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2014, 12:53:00 AM by Shiva »
You don't have to be a student of Sun Tzu to realize that going face-down ass-up for a bunch of paedo's is a bad move for a number of reasons. I hope the final dimming embers of Totse aren't finally extinguished by a few kiddie-fiddlers. Even death by furries would be better than that.

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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2014, 12:52:58 AM »
Regardless of how this went down, hard deletion of posts will not happen again. See the newest update.


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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2014, 02:43:55 AM »
IS please don't ragequit. Your unhindered anger is pretty lulzy and it needs to stay. just saying.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2014, 02:52:33 AM »
Your unhindered anger is pretty lulzy
It is? All I see is ban evasion for retarded reasons.


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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2014, 03:03:36 AM »
The last time I seen Hazza contribute anything was when he got a hard on for Bitcoins. Which was an informative post don't get me wrong, but go look into the last 3 or 4 threads I posted, especially the one in Money Money Money, he gave a full versed and well mannered response to it.

You want posters like that here. And when he goes on a tourets-laced rant i get laugh while I spark my bowl its really fun DON'T RUIN FUN THINGS FOR ME.
Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore.
Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the Nightly shore —
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore."

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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2014, 06:21:28 AM »
MODERATOR FIGHT!!! BREAK OUT THE BEATS SON!
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Re: We Have Hit A Crossroad
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2014, 09:27:24 AM »
IS please don't ragequit. Your unhindered anger is pretty lulzy and it needs to stay. just saying.

this isnt ragequitting...this is utter disgust and contempt for the rampant idocy and niggerdly behavior.  HNIC allegedly wants content and quality posts yet allows
modtards to run amuck shitting all over the place, stinking up the joint.  that idiot shouldnt have been allowed to be a mod, much less allowed to register. no, im not placing any effort into something with no chance for a return on my investment.  and a modtard using my time and effort as an excuse for a banning...then deleting the supposed offending post to prevent its use as evidence...

yea...no.

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2014, 09:40:04 AM »
Your unhindered anger is pretty lulzy
It is? All I see is ban evasion for retarded reasons.

the only thing retarded going on here is the reason for the ban...which hasnt been acknowledged because its so utterly and painfully obviously retarded

i want to know why street crap hasnt added his side of the story.  i want him to chime up so it can be even more obvious to everyone that his lack of abilities to mod are surpassed only by his ability to suck a fat hairy cock.  considering how he enjoys gloating, the only explanation is you told him to keep his cockhole shut about the issue at the risk of seeing what a failmod he is