Should a new site be created by Idio?

[god]

there has been multiple discussions if you were even remotely serious the first thing you would do is step down PERIOD

What would that solve, though?

I will say that 2 sites is a bad idea.  Splitting the community into unequal halves won't be doing anyone any favors.

it would solve about 90% of the complaints about moderation and the fact that you continue to play dumb about it shows your lack of wanting to actually improve this place

I have to agree. Look at the poll. We should strive to keep the community a whole.

[Idiosyncrasy]

It is pretty well divided. I also see that no one wants to have both sites as an option. Only 13 people have voted so far.

Would some discussion help? For those who are dissatisfied with Sanctuary, why? For those who would be dissatisfied with something else, why? My goal is not to splinter the community, but to help resolve what is driving it apart.

So here we are. What do you want to know? What do you want us to know?

[Spectre]

It is pretty well divided. I also see that no one wants to have both sites as an option. Only 13 people have voted so far.

Would some discussion help? For those who are dissatisfied with Sanctuary, why? For those who would be dissatisfied with something else, why? My goal is not to splinter the community, but to help resolve what is driving it apart.

So here we are. What do you want to know? What do you want us to know?

Arnox's management is a huge problem here he has consistently bungled things and been dismissive stomped his feet and had to have things his way the way I see it a site owned by him will always have that looming threat of him wanting to assert his control over it

A very easy step for actually showing that anything is actually capable of changing is demodding zek and not having the double standard enforcement of rules continue for him or other posters who aren't critical

Over all I feel like this place has too many negative connotations for people to want to come back to it or join up if they are even tangentially informed on the site

in the end as I've said to you I'm willing to help you as you've proven you are capable at running a site and you are rational and level headed enough to do it properly. This place leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I don't think a fresh coat of paint can truly cover up the blood.

ps. T3 is the worst terminator so totse 3 just will not work 

[Lanny]

So here we are. What do you want to know? What do you want us to know?

It's exceedingly rare to hear people complain there aren't enough rules or that not enough posters have been banned. Banning someone should only happen when failure to do so will cause more people to leave or the site to shut down (a special case wherein everyone leaves). The rules should be the absolute minimum required for the admin not to get arrested and posters to be able to have a discussion. You should also start with someone who's technically competent and give them the tools to do what they need to. Modding aldra was a good move  but you can't do much with shared hosting, find someone technically inclined and give them the keys.

Also for the love of god don't call anything totse 3. I will never sign up for a site called totse with any number on the end

[DaGuru]

For those who are dissatisfied with Sanctuary, why?

Idio, up until this post...I've liked you as a person, poster and mod. But I'm starting to sense that now YOU are playing the aloof/stupid card....because now even you are ignoring the obvious. Exactly HOW MANY FUCKIN TIMES do you need to hear....."Demod Zek, Demod Zek, Demod Zek".....until you'll address this big fat stinky elephant in the room that needs to be put out to pasture and have a bullet put in its brain already. These threads, these issues, these pleas by MOST of the userbase have been taking place for weeks upon weeks upon weeks now. In this very thread MULTIPLE people keep saying that same god-damn thing.

Do you have ANYTHING to say abou the biggest thing that plagues this place, or not?

[Spectre]

For those who are dissatisfied with Sanctuary, why?

Idio, up until this post...I've liked you as a person, poster and mod. But I'm starting to sense that now YOU are playing the aloof/stupid card....because now even you are ignoring the obvious. Exactly HOW MANY FUCKIN TIMES do you need to hear....."Demod Zek, Demod Zek, Demod Zek".....until you'll address this big fat stinky elephant in the room that needs to be put out to pasture and have a bullet put in its brain already. These threads, these issues, these pleas by MOST of the userbase have been taking place for weeks upon weeks upon weeks now. In this very thread MULTIPLE people keep saying that same god-damn thing.

Do you have ANYTHING to say abou the biggest thing that plagues this place, or not?

I'm sure he's quite aware he's just trying to get a very definitive set of problems and responses so he would know what users would want/need from a new site Idio does things in a very reasoned manner a lot of the time

[Arnox]

It's exceedingly rare to hear people complain there aren't enough rules or that not enough posters have been banned. Banning someone should only happen when failure to do so will cause more people to leave or the site to shut down (a special case wherein everyone leaves). The rules should be the absolute minimum required for the admin not to get arrested and posters to be able to have a discussion. You should also start with someone who's technically competent and give them the tools to do what they need to. Modding aldra was a good move  but you can't do much with shared hosting, find someone technically inclined and give them the keys.

Also for the love of god don't call anything totse 3. I will never sign up for a site called totse with any number on the end

I'm sure no one here's complaining about there being too little rules.

However, there are also a lot of people here who are complaining about the loads of terrible posting that people are doing and are actually calling for stricter moderation. People are getting ticked off when they try to make a serious thread and it gets a bunch of dumb one-liners and generally non-contributory posts. So there's two sides of the issue here, guys.

[Spectre]

It's exceedingly rare to hear people complain there aren't enough rules or that not enough posters have been banned. Banning someone should only happen when failure to do so will cause more people to leave or the site to shut down (a special case wherein everyone leaves). The rules should be the absolute minimum required for the admin not to get arrested and posters to be able to have a discussion. You should also start with someone who's technically competent and give them the tools to do what they need to. Modding aldra was a good move  but you can't do much with shared hosting, find someone technically inclined and give them the keys.

Also for the love of god don't call anything totse 3. I will never sign up for a site called totse with any number on the end

I'm sure no one here's complaining about there being too little rules.

However, there are also a lot of people here who are complaining about the loads of terrible posting that people are doing and are actually calling for stricter moderation. People are getting ticked off when they try to make a serious thread and it gets a bunch of dumb one-liners and generally non-contributory posts. So there's two sides of the issue here, guys.

the too sides is instead of just moderating the serious discussions in a reasonable manner like just deleting posts that are off topic or moving off topic threads you go ban happy not to mention most of the problems people bring up are with your moderation of NOT serious threads and sections like people getting banned in bitch and moan and half baked while you have wild double standards for a majority of the users

people aren't asking for Strict or no moderation they are asking for GOOD moderation and a willingness to work with the users and posters

[DaGuru]

I'm sure no one here's complaining about there being too little rules.

However, there are also a lot of people here who are complaining about the loads of terrible posting that people are doing and are actually calling for stricter moderation. People are getting ticked off when they try to make a serious thread and it gets a bunch of dumb one-liners and generally non-contributory posts. So there's two sides of the issue here, guys.

"The thread/information wasn't useful any how"~~~~~ Your words, Arnox. Your. Fuckin. Words. While defending/encouraging Zek to derail any fuckin topic he wants to. YOU are a huge root of all of this, because you set the precedent many weeks ago when you couldn't put your own ego aside and fix your worst mistake yet. Go fuck yourself you insincere and hypocritical chump.

[Spectre]

Lets use the banning of fang and helladamnleet for an example in your mind how was what you did successful 

The issue had already been handled by idio. Your bungling of the situation (A DAY LATER I might add) after idio had already resolved any perceived issue did nothing but alienate users and undermine a moderator's actions that were successful and fair. All because you wanted to get rid of 2 users for "leeching" off your site, then having the balls to tell users where they could go.

[Idiosyncrasy]

DaGuru, I have no control over who is or isn't on staff here, so that's why I don't address it. All staff decisions must be approved by Arnox. Does that make you like me less as a person, poster, and a mod?

[DaGuru]

DaGuru, I have no control over who is or isn't on staff here, so that's why I don't address it. All staff decisions must be approved by Arnox. Does that make you like me less as a person, poster, and a mod?

You've actually convinced me Idio. I'm finally completely fed up with the game playing, double speak, and passive nonsense in regard to all of this. I'm out, guys.....

[Obvious Alt]

Bye, DaGuru.

[Lanny]

DaGuru, I have no control over who is or isn't on staff here, so that's why I don't address it. All staff decisions must be approved by Arnox. Does that make you like me less as a person, poster, and a mod?

You've actually convinced me Idio. I'm finally completely fed up with the game playing, double speak, and passive nonsense in regard to all of this. I'm out, guys.....

lolyeahrite

[Idiosyncrasy]

You've actually convinced me Idio. I'm finally completely fed up with the game playing, double speak, and passive nonsense in regard to all of this. I'm out, guys.....

So I'll put you down as a no keep sanctuary?