Should a new site be created by Idio?

[equanimity]

Maybe think of what the general purpose of the site would be (freedom of speech?) and work from there for a name.  Or maybe pick a sort of funny and endearing name that gives a sense of unity, like Degenerate Slackers or something.

[Idiosyncrasy]

Maybe think of what the general purpose of the site would be (freedom of speech?) and work from there for a name.  Or maybe pick a sort of funny and endearing name that gives a sense of unity, like Degenerate Slackers or something.

Free speech, alternative thinking, collection of knowledge, that sort of thing.

Below was our welcome screen on totse2 - not that it will remain the same, but just an idea.

"Greetings! This is totse2, both a tribute and a successor of the late totse.com. As such, we're not your average community. So, what sets us apart?

 We're a collective of thinkers, tinkerers, and critics. Unbound by society's definition of “acceptable”, and created out of a need for free information, we thrive on sharing and discussing anything and everything that social networking sites and family-friendly communities can't or won't. Our interests range from the polite and relevant, to the obscene and obscure, and include politics, humanities, religion, sex, cuisine, weapons, pyrotechnics, drugs, legal and illegal activities, computer and automotive technology, music, the environment, do it yourself projects, and so much more.

 Our site provides a discussion forum, blogging service, special interest groups, our own “text file” / article submission and hosting, internet relay chat, and a backup of the original totse.com text files. Please read our updated FAQ, Terms of Service, privacy policy, and our unique site rules. If you have other questions / concerns before registering, you can always contact an administrator.

 Totse2.com
 Desensitized, for your convenience."

[-SpectraL]

Yet more empty talk and zero action. For example, there's still active bogus bans. Nobody should put any faith at all in this empty talk about the future until you first take care of the damage you've already done or been a party to.

[Idiosyncrasy]

Yet more empty talk and zero action. For example, there's still active bogus bans. Nobody should put any faith at all in this empty talk about the future until you first take care of the damage you've already done or been a party to.

I'm not in a position to reverse a ban issued by another mod.  If there's a ban that I issued that you don't agree with, or some damage that I've done that I should restitute, please let me know.

Are you saying you don't think I'll follow through with this idea?

[Spectre]

Yet more empty talk and zero action. For example, there's still active bogus bans. Nobody should put any faith at all in this empty talk about the future until you first take care of the damage you've already done or been a party to.

You and Daguru keep saying this but if you've noticed idio does not really have the ability to change things as a mod seeing as Arnox has flip flopped and already reversed multiple decisions of his what idio is saying is not empty talk he is more than capable of starting another site and doing things right

[Tupac Shakur]

name it

wehavealotofuserswhocomplainabouteverythinghereandtheresnoactuallyqualityorgoodcontentonlytrollsandflaming.com

[-SpectraL]

I'm not in a position to reverse a ban issued by another mod.  If there's a ban that I issued that you don't agree with, or some damage that I've done that I should restitute, please let me know.

Are you saying you don't think I'll follow through with this idea?

For one thing, if you're powerless to right wrongs, you're useless. For another thing, nobody should have to hold your hand and lead you to the unjust bans. That's something you should already know.

[Idiosyncrasy]

For one thing, if you're powerless to right wrongs, you're useless. For another thing, nobody should have to hold your hand and lead you to the unjust bans. That's something you should already know.

As a mod, I'm not going to go reverse another mod's decisions.  That's a judgment call for an admin to make.

As far as any potential unjust bans by myself, I'm pretty light with the banhammer, so I think I'm good there.

[-SpectraL]

As a mod, I'm not going to go reverse another mod's decisions.  That's a judgment call for an admin to make.

No. That's a judgment call for YOU to make. You have the physical capability to reverse the bogus bans and yet you are not doing so. Nobody should care about your resulting perilous position with the Admin. The Admin was wrong, and when the Admin is blatantly wrong, as in these cases, it's up to the rest of you to take control of the situation with or without him. PERIOD. But you'd much rather hold onto your CrackerJack badge than risk sacrificing it for the welfare of the community. It was the same exact way on Zoklet. Just a bunch of lemmings going along with unjust actions in the name of subordination. This isn't about the Admin or your position on the staff, it's about doing what's right, what's needed, and what's fair to the community.

[starvingniglet]

"I vas only following orders"

[Spectre]

As a mod, I'm not going to go reverse another mod's decisions.  That's a judgment call for an admin to make.

No. That's a judgment call for YOU to make. You have the physical capability to reverse the bogus bans and yet you are not doing so. Nobody should care about your resulting perilous position with the Admin. The Admin was wrong, and when the Admin is blatantly wrong, as in these cases, it's up to the rest of you to take control of the situation with or without him. PERIOD. But you'd much rather hold onto your CrackerJack badge than risk sacrificing it for the welfare of the community. It was the same exact way on Zoklet. Just a bunch of lemmings going along with unjust actions in the name of subordination. This isn't about the Admin or your position on the staff, it's about doing what's right, what's needed, and what's fair to the community.

That's a very silly way to look at it

he's clearly being amicable and working with the admins so he can bring us a better site reversing bans and basically going fuck the police won't handle shit for the long term prospects of getting us a real place to go to

[-SpectraL]

...working with the admins so he can bring us a better site reversing bans and basically going fuck the police won't handle shit for the long term prospects of getting us a real place to go to

For one thing, nobody should "work with" any staff member who insists on handing out bad bans. For another thing, "fuck the police" is exactly what's needed here, not a change of scenery.

[Idiosyncrasy]

As a mod, I'm not going to go reverse another mod's decisions.  That's a judgment call for an admin to make.

No. That's a judgment call for YOU to make. You have the physical capability to reverse the bogus bans and yet you are not doing so. Nobody should care about your resulting perilous position with the Admin. The Admin was wrong, and when the Admin is blatantly wrong, as in these cases, it's up to the rest of you to take control of the situation with or without him. PERIOD. But you'd much rather hold onto your CrackerJack badge than risk sacrificing it for the welfare of the community. It was the same exact way on Zoklet. Just a bunch of lemmings going along with unjust actions in the name of subordination. This isn't about the Admin or your position on the staff, it's about doing what's right, what's needed, and what's fair to the community.

...working with the admins so he can bring us a better site reversing bans and basically going fuck the police won't handle shit for the long term prospects of getting us a real place to go to

For one thing, nobody should "work with" any staff member who insists on handing out bad bans. For another thing, "fuck the police" is exactly what's needed here, not a change of scenery.

I don't think you understand.  Let's take the banning of fanglekai for an example situation analysis.  I moderated in the way I felt appropriate.  I saw that he was spamming his site.  In my opinion, I would have allowed him to post his site in one thread in IFIOTW.  That's where links and stuff you find on the web goes, so it makes sense, plus a couple other reasons.  I didn't like his spamming, so I sent him a PM.  I said that it was my only warning and that I would ban him if he spammed again.  He responded back in compliance and said he would stop spamming and restrict his posts to the thread as I requested.  All was gravy, and it was done without an infraction or a ban.

Well, my call was overruled.  That happens from time to time when the administration wants to enforce a rule.  Fang is banned, and his site links were removed for the most part.  So you're suggesting that I unban fang on moral principle.  What will that solve in the long-term?  Arnox would log in, reverse my reversal and ban fang, likely demod me, and there would be more damage done than help.  By complying with direct orders that a superior gives you, you can remain on staff, and still advise your superior in an appropriate setting.  More long-term results can come from this than what you are suggesting.  I'm not sure what jobs you've held in the past, but doing what you suggest can get you on the short list real fast, and then the chance of change of zero.

It's fine if the staff has a strong difference of opinion, but it needs to be handled right.  That is why you were removed as a mod.  When you say, "nobody should "work with" any staff member who insists on handing out bad bans," are you implying that I should quit or force my termination if I disagree with something?  By exercising my physical capability that you noted, it would only be a short-term solution.  Please tell me you can see this.

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Original topic reminder - don't forget to vote and suggest a name if you have one.

[-SpectraL]

That's what you actually want when the Admin goes rogue and starts to put in bogus bans and won't listen to reason, you want to cause damage. Lots of it, too. You want everyone on the staff demodded, if that's what it takes to makes things right. Going along with it just to keep on polishing your CrackJack badge is nothing but personal concern and has nothing at all to do with the welfare of Community. If you have the physical capability to put something right, you do it. Period. It doesn't matter if someone else. If they reverse it, you reverse it back. If they demod you to stop you from reversing it, so be it. That's how corruption is addressed, not by playing along with a defeatist attitude. The &Totse mentality is: you play to win, and you play to put things right and fair and above belt, and nothing else matters. Nothing.

[-SpectraL]

And for the record, I was never removed as mod at any BBS anywhere. Ever. If you're talking about Zoklet, I resigned. I wasn't removed. And the reason I resigned is because zok made a policy that if any of the staff were to speak their mind in public to criticize the administration, they would be reprimanded. So I told him to go fuck himself, wrote out my resignation, then quit on principle. I modded four major forums on Zoklet, and quite successfully, I might add. Even zok and wires and some of their lackeys had to admit that. My quitting the staff was a definite blow to his operation, which was what my resignation was intended to do.