Should a new site be created by Idio?

[Spectre]

It's absolutely ridiculous to start another site when you have one right here already setup. And there's nothing wrong with Arnox's abilities or dedication, it's just that he's made all the wrong decisions.

Vbulletin is better than smf the url sucks and is tainted to the people who left and arnox is not as capable as idio as evidenced by the lack of vision and poor addons and handling of said add ons

[Obvious Alt]

Idio sucks Arnie's dick like a bitch, though. He is forever tainted himself.

[equanimity]

My biggest fear is we'd lose more members than we'd gain.  Guess I really would prefer to see the problems here discussed and solved than have another site come up.  If we're so quick to abandon what we have I'm not sure we'll ever learn to appreciate any of this stuff.  The grass is always greener on nonexistent and idealistic websites.  Drama like this is all stuff we invent ourselves, and we're never all going to agree on what we want.  I feel Arnox has been a good admin.  Not perfect, but none of us are.  Totse3 sounds like it will have more rules, from the way I've heard everyone talking about totse2.  The few complaints against the userbase I've heard have basically been that we're not serious enough, and I feel it's important people know this.

If this happens though, it would probably work well enough.  We'd lose some members, maybe become a little more serious; but we'd survive a while longer.  The people still left are mostly those that have held on for around a decade already.

Really it would be best if we could fix what we already have, I guess.  I'm a little torn on this somehow.  If my stepping down as mod would appease everyone and end the talk of finding a new forum I'd be happy to do that.  Maybe we should be asking exactly why everyone is unhappy with Sanctuary as it is.

[Spectre]

My biggest fear is we'd lose more members than we'd gain.  Guess I really would prefer to see the problems here discussed and solved than have another site come up.  If we're so quick to abandon what we have I'm not sure we'll ever learn to appreciate any of this stuff.  The grass is always greener on nonexistent and idealistic websites.  Drama like this is all stuff we invent ourselves, and we're never all going to agree on what we want.  I feel Arnox has been a good admin.  Not perfect, but none of us are.  Totse3 sounds like it will have more rules, from the way I've heard everyone talking about totse2.  The few complaints against the userbase I've heard have basically been that we're not serious enough, and I feel it's important people know this.

If this happens though, it would probably work well enough.  We'd lose some members, maybe become a little more serious; but we'd survive a while longer.  The people still left are mostly those that have held on for around a decade already.

Really it would be best if we could fix what we already have, I guess.  I'm a little torn on this somehow.  If my stepping down as mod would appease everyone and end the talk of finding a new forum I'd be happy to do that.  Maybe we should be asking exactly why everyone is unhappy with Sanctuary as it is.

there has been multiple discussions if you were even remotely serious the first thing you would do is step down PERIOD

[equanimity]

there has been multiple discussions if you were even remotely serious the first thing you would do is step down PERIOD

What would that solve, though?

I will say that 2 sites is a bad idea.  Splitting the community into unequal halves won't be doing anyone any favors.

[Spectre]

there has been multiple discussions if you were even remotely serious the first thing you would do is step down PERIOD

What would that solve, though?

I will say that 2 sites is a bad idea.  Splitting the community into unequal halves won't be doing anyone any favors.

it would solve about 90% of the complaints about moderation and the fact that you continue to play dumb about it shows your lack of wanting to actually improve this place

[-SpectraL]

It's pretty simple. Kidiots stay in HB or get permabanned, period. No posting of personal info of members, not even your own, or get permabanned, period. No CP, or get permabanned, period. No editing valid content by staff without genuine justification for it or get demoted, period. No banning unless all other possible avenues have been taken or get demoted, period. No multiple accounts or get permabanned, period (but an IP match or confession is required). No following users around the forum like a sick puppy just to spam them or get permabanned, period.  The trouble with this BBS is there's rules, but they are not enforced, or only a halfhearted attempt is made to enforce them.

[Obvious Alt]

If my stepping down as mod would appease everyone and end the talk of finding a new forum I'd be happy to do that.  Maybe we should be asking exactly why everyone is unhappy with Sanctuary as it is.

Yea, it's not like we've been fucking screaming at you since two months or anything.

Look at B&M and the Staff Complaint thread. Look at NIMF. Look at all the fucking failures and people pointing them out over and over again while being ignored.

Are you fucking kidding me?

[Obvious Alt]

It's pretty simple. Kidiots stay in HB or get permabanned, period. No posting of personal info of members, not even your own, or get permabanned, period. No CP, or get permabanned, period. No editing valid content by staff without genuine justification for it or get demoted, period. No banning unless all other possible avenues have been taken or get demoted, period. No multiple accounts or get permabanned, period (but an IP match or confession is required). No following users around the forum like a sick puppy just to spam them or get permabanned, period.  The trouble with this BBS is there's rules, but they are not enforced, or only a halfhearted attempt is made to enforce them.

"Hi my name is Jeff" PERMABANNED! PERIOD!

[Tupac Shakur]

guys i don't understand,Like cmon. Leave arnox alone. jeeZ

[Spectre]

guys i don't understand,Like cmon. Leave arnox alone. jeeZ

yeah give up 2 power abusing retards for an entire staff of retards smart  Idio is the best shot for the community

[Rook]

Please make it.. send all the douches with it. Knowing them, the pansy's will stay here and troll nonetheless..

[max power]

Idio's a weird idiot. I have no faith in him or anyone but myself and I don't realistically have the time and care to make a site. Even posting on this one gives me cancer and wrinkles

[Spectre]

1 note to be considered about this poll idio is a lot of people who would support this action have already left here or are banned so they can't weigh in but I know of a few from both of those camps looking to come back should something like this happen

[Lanny]

Don't lie idio, we all know this is just a plot to take away all of Hubertus' thanks again and I for one won't stand idly by and tolerate it.