Atheism

[Shark Jumper]

What are your main reasons for disbelieving Christianity?

Well, I don't only disbelieve Christianity. I maintain that all religions are different versions of the same untruth. However, Christianity being one of the largest religions in the world is somewhat obligated to step up to the plate. Here are my reasons for thinking this.

My primary reason, is that the people who started these religions lived in very ancient times. They were most likely struggling to understand the world around them. They did not know what caused sicknesses. They did not know why floods or tsunamis happened. They didn't even have a clear understanding of the concept of space. Why should anyone take advice from these people when it comes to determining the origin of the universe?


My second reason is, the entire concept of "Heaven" seems to be very poorly thought out and nonsensical.
First off, it is a fact that the human brain is operated by chemicals and electrical impulses. Everything you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch is experienced thanks to the brain. After somebody dies, the electrical impulses stop, and the chemicals no longer flow. This means the cessation of all sensory. Just remember back to before you were born... everyone has experienced non existence before they were born. It's probably going to be like that after you're dead.

But for the sake of argument, let's say that Heaven and Hell are real.

Let's begin with (In my opinion the lesser of two evils) Hell. Hell is apparently a place of eternal damnation and torture from which there is no escape. God will send you there for simply not believing in him. Eternal punishment however, is not really punishment at all. It's vengeance. I always say though, that if Hell is real and I go there, at least I'll be with friends.

Now we move on to this "Heaven." It is in the Christian faith that as long as a person accepts Jesus as their lord and savior before or even after their death, they may enter the realm of Heaven. This means that if you go to heaven, you will be there with every murderer, rapist, thief, genocidist, mob boss, and pedophile, who has ever accepted Jesus in the history of mankind. That's a lot of sick people you'd be stuck with for all eternity.
Eternity. Such a strange concept, don't you think? What does one do, for eternity? What do you do, when you have thought of every single thought your brain can possibly conceive, and find yourself backtracking on thoughts simply because not thinking is not an option? Just when you have had enough, and the mental torture of infinity is too much, you will realize that you haven't even put a dent in the amount of time that still awaits you. That is Hell, in my eyes.
Also, I once asked a Christian, "Is sin the by product of free will?" to which they replied "yes."
I went on to inquire, "Is there sin in Heaven?" to which they replied "no."
Oh, I see how it is. Heaven is a place where you lose your free will, and become a mindless drone smiling cheerfully as you cradle the balls of your God for the rest of eternity.

Another reason I don't believe in any religion is because of the burden of proof. There is simply no proof that any God exists, and it isn't up to atheists to prove that there isn't a God. Allow me to explain why.
If you claim that you can breathe fire, I would probably say, "Cool, do it! I wanna see you prove that you can breathe fire!"
If you reply by saying, "You can't prove I can't breathe fire!" Well, that's not really up to me to prove that you can't. You made the claim, so it's up to you to prove its validity.

Religions teach people to be satisfied with not knowing the full truth about the world. This was seen in the lifetime of Galileo, when his life was threatened because he attempted to bring forth evidence that Earth was not the center of our solar system. The powers in control wanted people to stay uninformed and believe that God had their backs. The more science has progressed, the more "God" has been pushed into the gaps of that which we still are yet to prove.

In conclusion. I have no respect for religions, specifically Christianity. Let me explain why.
When someone tells me to respect a religion simply because it exists, or is widespread, I ask you the following.
       Why should I respect an ancient idea, that was spread across the ancient world through bloodshed, fear, and torture. When crusaders came to a new country or continent, they presented the inhabitants with two options. Submit to our religion, or die. They tortured, forced, and indoctrinated people into believing the same things that they did. There is absolutely no respect in that. So when you tell me to respect a religion simply because it is, think of the ancient conquest of bloodshed and horror that lead to that religion being so widespread, and you'll understand why I roll my eyes at you.

I hope that my reasoning for being irreligious is adequate for you. 

[Arnox]

I don't think I said that, or stated any religious preference.

Huh? I never said you did. What?

[Infinityshock]

Wth hell kind of reply is saying you're going to reply?  Now go ban yourself for spamming.  Thats exactly the reason u banned me

[Arnox]

Wth hell kind of reply is saying you're going to reply?  Now go ban yourself for spamming.  Thats exactly the reason u banned me

Actually, what happened was that I didn't know Shark replied after buddha, so I just quoted buddha. Which made me look like I missed or didn't care enough to reply to Shark.

[Shark Jumper]

Which made me look like I missed or didn't care enough to reply to Shark.

I did feel a little pang of sadness when I saw your comment, and had not yet gotten to the part where you said you were holding off on mine. 

[Infinityshock]

anyways....

the purpose of religion is to control a group of people.  the collectors of stories for the bible selected stories that suited their agenda, which is population control.  everything in all major religions, from the first deities back in sumerian days, is crafted to the purpose of manipulating and controlling the followers.  ancient people were too stupid to realize that there was no god that said he wanted their king to be king or their pharoah to be pharoah...or whatever the ancient americans called their ruler-deity. the bible is pure unadulterated fiction with just enough pseudo-facts thrown in to make it palatable for the average sheep

example...in catholicism, if god is all seeing and all knowing, why the fuck would someone need to confess their 'crimes' to a priest? because when this was devised back in the middle ages the church needed to have all the dirty little secrets of the nobility to ensure loyalty.  by consent...or otherwise

in judaism...there is no archeological evidence that the jews were ever enslaved in egypt

in the diaper head religion, they just copied it off catholicism/judaism.  the fucking hajis couldnt even invent their own...they just perverted and modified the other two abrahamic religions for their own twisted uses. 

[buddha]

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[Arnox]

Well, I don't only disbelieve Christianity. I maintain that all religions are different versions of the same untruth. However, Christianity being one of the largest religions in the world is somewhat obligated to step up to the plate. Here are my reasons for thinking this.

My primary reason, is that the people who started these religions lived in very ancient times. They were most likely struggling to understand the world around them. They did not know what caused sicknesses. They did not know why floods or tsunamis happened. They didn't even have a clear understanding of the concept of space. Why should anyone take advice from these people when it comes to determining the origin of the universe?

My second reason is, the entire concept of "Heaven" seems to be very poorly thought out and nonsensical.
First off, it is a fact that the human brain is operated by chemicals and electrical impulses. Everything you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch is experienced thanks to the brain. After somebody dies, the electrical impulses stop, and the chemicals no longer flow. This means the cessation of all sensory. Just remember back to before you were born... everyone has experienced non existence before they were born. It's probably going to be like that after you're dead.

But for the sake of argument, let's say that Heaven and Hell are real.

Let's begin with (In my opinion the lesser of two evils) Hell. Hell is apparently a place of eternal damnation and torture from which there is no escape. God will send you there for simply not believing in him. Eternal punishment however, is not really punishment at all. It's vengeance. I always say though, that if Hell is real and I go there, at least I'll be with friends.

Now we move on to this "Heaven." It is in the Christian faith that as long as a person accepts Jesus as their lord and savior before or even after their death, they may enter the realm of Heaven. This means that if you go to heaven, you will be there with every murderer, rapist, thief, genocidist, mob boss, and pedophile, who has ever accepted Jesus in the history of mankind. That's a lot of sick people you'd be stuck with for all eternity.
Eternity. Such a strange concept, don't you think? What does one do, for eternity? What do you do, when you have thought of every single thought your brain can possibly conceive, and find yourself backtracking on thoughts simply because not thinking is not an option? Just when you have had enough, and the mental torture of infinity is too much, you will realize that you haven't even put a dent in the amount of time that still awaits you. That is Hell, in my eyes.
Also, I once asked a Christian, "Is sin the by product of free will?" to which they replied "yes."
I went on to inquire, "Is there sin in Heaven?" to which they replied "no."
Oh, I see how it is. Heaven is a place where you lose your free will, and become a mindless drone smiling cheerfully as you cradle the balls of your God for the rest of eternity.

Another reason I don't believe in any religion is because of the burden of proof. There is simply no proof that any God exists, and it isn't up to atheists to prove that there isn't a God. Allow me to explain why.
If you claim that you can breathe fire, I would probably say, "Cool, do it! I wanna see you prove that you can breathe fire!"
If you reply by saying, "You can't prove I can't breathe fire!" Well, that's not really up to me to prove that you can't. You made the claim, so it's up to you to prove its validity.

Religions teach people to be satisfied with not knowing the full truth about the world. This was seen in the lifetime of Galileo, when his life was threatened because he attempted to bring forth evidence that Earth was not the center of our solar system. The powers in control wanted people to stay uninformed and believe that God had their backs. The more science has progressed, the more "God" has been pushed into the gaps of that which we still are yet to prove.

In conclusion. I have no respect for religions, specifically Christianity. Let me explain why.
When someone tells me to respect a religion simply because it exists, or is widespread, I ask you the following.

Why should I respect an ancient idea, that was spread across the ancient world through bloodshed, fear, and torture. When crusaders came to a new country or continent, they presented the inhabitants with two options. Submit to our religion, or die. They tortured, forced, and indoctrinated people into believing the same things that they did. There is absolutely no respect in that. So when you tell me to respect a religion simply because it is, think of the ancient conquest of bloodshed and horror that lead to that religion being so widespread, and you'll understand why I roll my eyes at you.

I hope that my reasoning for being irreligious is adequate for you. 

Alright, the FIRST thing I want to start off with is a disclaimer. I am not going to defend other christian religions and all their different beliefs. I'm only going to defend my belief in Mormonism. OK then.

1. We believe that man didn't start religion. We believe our religion was handed down from God to man by angels right at the beginning of our life here on earth.

2. Why can't both the brain and soul work together? We believe the soul is the truest essence of you. The body, and by extension, the brain are just tools to be used by our souls to experience and manipulate the world we are in. And further, you wouldn't remember before you were born because a veil was put over your mind, and my mind, and everyone else's mind that has ever lived on this earth. For you to suddenly appear into existence is complete and utter nonsense in Mormon eyes, and so is the concept of all of a sudden ceasing to exist. We also believe that we all existed as primal intelligences from eternity to eternity. It is this primal intelligence that is made into our spirits. Each one of us has existed an eternity before the world was made, and will continue to exist for an equally infinite amount of time.

3. Let me just stop you right there. In Mormonism, where we go after death is actually much more complicated than just Heaven or Hell. For one, when you die, you go to the Spirit World, no matter who you are or what you did. From there though, you can either go to Spirit Paradise or Spirit Prison. There's a massive amount to say about it so I'm just gonna direct you to our official sources here where you can read what you like.

https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

After the Spirit World, when the second coming comes, we'll finally be sorted into degrees of glory depending on everything we've done thus far.

4. It takes a lot more to get to the highest degree of glory than just accepting Jesus as your Savior. Even the middle one takes more than that. So no, if you've done what's required to make it into one of those two, you won't be sitting with people who've committed such gross sins.

5. What do you do in Eternity? Why, what you've been trying to do in mortality. Progress. Make no mistake, you're NOT going to be sitting around playing some stupid harp. We're all literal sons and daughters of God. It is our goal to grow and progress continually until we are gods ourselves. How we do this is an entire subject that I won't get into. For right now, just know that we hold within each of ourselves so much potential, it is literally immeasurable.

6. Is sin the byproduct of free will? As in unavoidable? No. Well, it is in our imperfect mortal state, but as we PROGRESS, we perfect ourselves until we are finally complete. Because that's what it means to be perfect. To be absolute and complete.

7. What proof is there? There's personal proof for one which is the best kind. Please see my first post in this thread.

8. You say that religion teaches people to be satisfied with not knowing the whole truth. Well, does science have all the answers now? No. Not in the slightest. And further, let's not forget all the atrocities that were committed in the name of science too. For example, eugenics was pretty fun. Oh yeah, and the Stanford Prison Experiment. That was incredible. Heck, let's just list them all. Oh my goodness! That's quite a list. And only in the US too! tsk tsk

Nevertheless, yes. Religion has been used as an excuse for gross immorality for hundred of years, if not thousands. But the thing is, if it wasn't religion, it would have been something else, you can be sure of that. Religion isn't the source of humanities crimes. Humans are. Simple as that. Religion's been used for a lot of good things as well. Just as science has. And as for science 'pushing God into the gaps', actually, a lot of scientists become MORE religious, the more they study the world around them. It's mainly because they're starting to realize that this world is a little TOO orderly. Too soundly built. Too beautiful to be just a big coincidence.

Looking forward to your response.

[Hex535]

All that I know, Is that in this mess of existence, in the star dust that this planet was formed from, I am alive and contained within a unique physical manifestation. I am the universe experiencing itself. I am a thought, a thought thinking independently while making more thoughts. Through Carbon and Calcium and Iron and electrical charges I exist, and even the words I type only hold meaning to my perceptive standpoint.

I do not know what an individual atom perceives, or if it does perceive, and I also claim no control over said atom. all I know is that I am a random but precise amalgamation of these pieces, and someday I will be broken back down into these individual parts, indivisibly, until my perception no longer does justice to the realms or manifestations in time and space.

There is no such being based off of Man's image that created the concurrence of the universe and all that exists. To think that there is a being of omnipotence based after ourselves, in my opinion, is arrogant, selfish, and one sided. Never has a carbon organism before us done such a drastic phenomena, and with this forced self entitlement, we will see our collapse.

To believe in the Aether is  not to believe in nothing. It is to substantiate and look forward to rejoining the deconstructed forms of our being and planet when the time comes, and to look forward to a realm or plane of existence that is beyond our current perception.

Peace and love to all, I am me, I hold no title in belief, and I wish no harm to anyone who thinks differently. I control myself, and that is it. And within my self control I find peace.

[Shark Jumper]

Alright, the FIRST thing I want to start off with is a disclaimer. I am not going to defend other christian religions and all their different beliefs. I'm only going to defend my belief in Mormonism. OK then.

1. We believe that man didn't start religion. We believe our religion was handed down from God to man by angels right at the beginning of our life here on earth.

2. Why can't both the brain and soul work together? We believe the soul is the truest essence of you. The body, and by extension, the brain are just tools to be used by our souls to experience and manipulate the world we are in. And further, you wouldn't remember before you were born because a veil was put over your mind, and my mind, and everyone else's mind that has ever lived on this earth. For you to suddenly appear into existence is complete and utter nonsense in Mormon eyes, and so is the concept of all of a sudden ceasing to exist. We also believe that we all existed as primal intelligences from eternity to eternity.

3. Let me just stop you right there. In Mormonism, where we go after death is actually much more complicated than just Heaven or Hell. For one, when you die, you go to the Spirit World, no matter who you are or what you did. From there though, you can either go to Spirit Paradise or Spirit Prison. There's a massive amount to say about it so I'm just gonna direct you to our official sources here where you can read what you like.

https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

After the Spirit World, when the second coming comes, we'll finally be sorted into degrees of glory depending on everything we've done thus far.

4. It takes a lot more to get to the highest degree of glory than just accepting Jesus as your Savior. Even the middle one takes more than that. So no, if you've done what's required to make it into one of those two, you won't be sitting with people who've committed such gross sins.

5. What do you do in Eternity? Why, what you've been trying to do in mortality. Progress. Make no mistake, you're NOT going to be sitting around playing some stupid harp. We're all literal sons and daughters of God. It is our goal to grow and progress continually until we are gods ourselves. How we do this is an entire subject that I won't get into. For right now, just know that we hold within each of ourselves so much potential, it is literally immeasurable.

6. Is sin the byproduct of free will? As in unavoidable? No. Well, it is in our imperfect mortal state, but as we PROGRESS, we perfect ourselves until we are finally complete. Because that's what it means to be perfect. To be absolute and complete.

7. What proof is there? There's personal proof for one which is the best kind. Please see my first post in this thread.

8. You say that religion teaches people to be satisfied with not knowing the whole truth. Well, does science have all the answers now? No. Not in the slightest. And further, let's not forget all the atrocities that were committed in the name of science too. For example, eugenics was pretty fun. Oh yeah, and the Stanford Prison Experiment. That was incredible. Heck, let's just list them all. Oh my goodness! That's quite a list. And only in the US too! tsk tsk

Nevertheless, yes. Religion has been used as an excuse for gross immorality for hundred of years, if not thousands. But the thing is, if it wasn't religion, it would have been something else, you can be sure of that. Religion isn't the source of humanities crimes. Humans are. Simple as that. Religion's been used for a lot of good things as well. Just as science has. And as for science 'pushing God into the gaps', actually, a lot of scientists become MORE religious, the more they study the world around them. It's mainly because they're starting to realize that this world is a little TOO orderly. Too soundly built. Too beautiful to be just a big coincidence.

Looking forward to your response.

Nice reply! I learned a lot about Mormonism, which I had not looked into very much before now.
I am going to reply with numbered points, addressing each of your points of the corresponding number. However, I'll be condensing some points that were of similar topic.
Before I begin, I must ask, would you agree, that the mainstream concept of the Christian heaven is horrific? Becoming a lobotomized servant along with other piece of shit humans for the rest of eternity?

1. This point will be addressed in my response to point number 7, which mainly comes down to providing substantial evidence.

2. I don't see any reason why a brain and a hypothetical soul could not work together. But still, there is yet to be any substantial evidence proving that a "soul" is even real. And don't even get me started on the Duncan MacDougall experiment, because that one has been debunked as water vapor evaporating off the human body.
You also talked about a veil of some sorts? If it makes people forget everything? How would they even know it was there, let alone all of these realms and prisons you speak of?
Also, I'm not saying that people suddenly appear and disappear from existence. I was just talking about how living organisms are formed from the moment of conception and how they die and decompose. This applies to all animals, not just humans. I'm not an expert on evolution or DNA, so I wont go on too much more about that kind of stuff! 
Also, why is it so nonsensical to imagine the cessation of sensation. I never meant that you just cease to exist. I meant that your brain starts shutting down as you die, and eventually stops working. When your brain doesn't work anymore, and has decomposed and been eaten by worms and bacteria, nitrogen fixation and the like, you wont be able to experience anything. Proof of this is seen in stroke victims. If a certain part of the stroke victims brain has been damaged. They will be unable to perform tasks that require that part of the brain. ie. Lifting your left arm. Another example is if a person sustains damage to their occipital cortex, rendering them blind for the remainder of their life. If damage to the brain can render a sense obsolete, think of what a dead/decomposing brain would do. Yet another example of how the brain is responsible for everything you experience is the cerebellum. This part of the brain forms memories. Scientists have actually been able to see the brain form molecules into memories. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140123141711.htm

So, humanity is a conglomerate of eternal primal intelligence cores lasting from eternity to eternity? How would you explain the fact that the world's population is rising exponentially? You said it was nonsensical for Mormons to believe in new beings just appearing, but I don't see any other way your religion would explain the global population increase.

3. Not much I can really say here other than that the Mormon idea of Heaven is considerably less horrific than the primary Christian belief. Regardless, I'd just refer you back to everything I said in point 2.

4. "We're all literal sons and daughters of God. It is our goal to grow and progress continually until we are gods ourselves." - Arnox

"It is this primal intelligence that is made into our spirits. Each one of us has existed an eternity before the world was made, and will continue to exist for an equally infinite amount of time." - Arnox

You lost me here. Do we exist for all eternity as primal intelligence, or do we progress unto being gods? Also, if there are multiple gods, then what is the point of any one god being all powerful? This whole point you made here didn't make much sense to me, and clarification would be appreciated.

5. Who determines what is "Perfect"? Also, what happens when somebody's idea of progression doesn't match up with this master idea of perfect? There are tons of scientists who find joy out of studying evolution and progressing our scientific knowledge. They've made it their life's work. What happens to them? They go to spirit prison, or lose what gave their life meaning? What the actual fuck. 

6. Ahh yes. On to proof. Unfortunately, personal proof just doesn't cut it. Personal proof is the same exact thing as convincing yourself that something is true. Also, when a claim as extraordinary as the existence of a god who has specific rules is made, extraordinary evidence is required. Think of it like this:

-John Smith gets a hole in one on the golf course. If he tells somebody, they might not believe him. However, since this isn't necessarily an extraordinary claim, it might just take a few friends who were there to confirm the story.
-Sally Jenkins has dinner with the President of the United States. If she goes and tells people this, she most likely will not be believed, as this is quite a claim to make. It would probably require evidence along the lines of official documentation and paperwork to convince people.
-Arnox claims that God and his angles handed down the knowledge that we are primal intelligence beings who are reincarnated for all eternity with mind wiping veils to prevent us from going insane. A claim like this should require an EXTRAORDINARY amount of proof to convince most people that it is true. It's going to take a lot more than eyewitness claims from 150 years ago, or personal affirmation experiences.

7. "Well, does science have all the answers now? No. Not in the slightest."-Arnox
No. Science does not have all the answers. But the prime difference between religion and science is that we are finding more and more answers every day. Don't you see? Every step science takes forwards, religion takes one step back. This is because science is not a belief, it is a process. A process based on proof, evidence, and repeatable testing. And quite frankly, it works. Watch this video to see what I'm talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uephBmkupvQ

"But the thing is, if it wasn't religion, it would have been something else, you can be sure of that. Religion isn't the source of humanities crimes. Humans are. Simple as that. Religion's been used for a lot of good things as well. Just as science has."-Arnox

I've got to agree with you about humanity being the source of crimes.
As for the "atrocities" committed in the name of science. The truth is that many of those were not committed in the "name of science," they were committed because somebody wanted something. Take eugenics for example. People wanted to form a more fit society by sterilizing those who they saw as unfit to reproduce. So they used the top of the line experiment and scientific knowledge they had. That doesn't mean that science is evil, or that they did it in the name of science. It's just what happens when people use science for a wrongdoing, which can happen.
On the flip-side, though, science has led to many great things like antibiotics, penicillin, automobiles, radios, planes, clean energy, effective medication, surgery, physics, astrophysics, space travel, fertilizer, etc.
What has religion done to help? I've got to agree, mass community service projects are really fuckin' awesome. But beyond that, what is there? Faith healing? Praying your way to the moon? Praying for your polio diagnosed child to be able to walk?

"And as for science 'pushing God into the gaps', actually, a lot of scientists become MORE religious, the more they study the world around them. It's mainly because they're starting to realize that this world is a little TOO orderly. Too soundly built. Too beautiful to be just a big coincidence."-Arnox
Oh really? Wikipedia seems to think otherwise! 
"Among the members of the National Academy of Sciences, 7% believed in God, 72.2% did not, and 20.8% were agnostic or had doubts."-Wikipedia



I will leave you with one of my favorite videos. I really suggest watching in full screen and HD, because I hope this video will inspire you to see the natural beauty in life, and not the man made beauty that religion has made people believe. When you accept the universe/life as being probably a giant fucking fluke, it becomes so much more wonderful and amazing.
You're a very enjoyable person to discuss these matters with. 
Thank you, and I look forward to your response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D05ej8u-gU

[Infinityshock]

Theres nothing wrong with eugenics.  As a matter of fact if humanity spent a small fraction of the effort on human genetic improvement that they spend on animal husbandry the human race would be vastly improved

[Shark Jumper]

Theres nothing wrong with eugenics.  As a matter of fact if humanity spent a small fraction of the effort on human genetic improvement that they spend on animal husbandry the human race would be vastly improved

I think eugenics is wrong because it's not up to other people to tell if someone should be able to have kids or not. I fully agree it could improve certain aspects of the human race, but still. You shouldn't tell other people what they can and cannot do.

[Shark Jumper]

All that I know, Is that in this mess of existence, in the star dust that this planet was formed from, I am alive and contained within a unique physical manifestation. I am the universe experiencing itself. I am a thought, a thought thinking independently while making more thoughts. Through Carbon and Calcium and Iron and electrical charges I exist, and even the words I type only hold meaning to my perceptive standpoint.

I do not know what an individual atom perceives, or if it does perceive, and I also claim no control over said atom. all I know is that I am a random but precise amalgamation of these pieces, and someday I will be broken back down into these individual parts, indivisibly, until my perception no longer does justice to the realms or manifestations in time and space.

There is no such being based off of Man's image that created the concurrence of the universe and all that exists. To think that there is a being of omnipotence based after ourselves, in my opinion, is arrogant, selfish, and one sided. Never has a carbon organism before us done such a drastic phenomena, and with this forced self entitlement, we will see our collapse.

To believe in the Aether is  not to believe in nothing. It is to substantiate and look forward to rejoining the deconstructed forms of our being and planet when the time comes, and to look forward to a realm or plane of existence that is beyond our current perception.

Peace and love to all, I am me, I hold no title in belief, and I wish no harm to anyone who thinks differently. I control myself, and that is it. And within my self control I find peace.

Holy shit Hex, you basically just described my outlook on the universe. You and I think very alike.
Like seriously, you have no fucking idea how happy I am you wrote that. It's a relief knowing I'm not the only person who thinks that way, even if I don't have the ability to put it into words like you can.

[Infinityshock]

Theres nothing wrong with eugenics.  As a matter of fact if humanity spent a small fraction of the effort on human genetic improvement that they spend on animal husbandry the human race would be vastly improved

I think eugenics is wrong because it's not up to other people to tell if someone should be able to have kids or not. I fully agree it could improve certain aspects of the human race, but still. You shouldn't tell other people what they can and cannot do.

No government or ruling body follows any part of that

[Shark Jumper]

I think eugenics is wrong because it's not up to other people to tell if someone should be able to have kids or not. I fully agree it could improve certain aspects of the human race, but still. You shouldn't tell other people what they can and cannot do.

No government or ruling body follows any part of that

I'm afraid I don't follow...
How does no ruling body taking part make it okay for somebody to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with their body?