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Site Discussion => News of the Sanctuary => Topic started by: Arnox on October 27, 2014, 11:25:38 pm

Title: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 27, 2014, 11:25:38 pm
I've finally finished them. Now, keep in mind, these aren't the new rules YET. This is the time now to discuss them before we put them in for good.

These rules originated from totse2 actually but I've changed a lot of things about them. Alt accounts are undecided in how we want to deal with them though and some details with NIMF and HB have yet to be ironed out. And so, without further ado, here they are.

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Welcome to the Sanctuary. By signing up for this forum you agree these rules listed below. In addition to the rules below. Anything you post on this forum is hypothetical and the site administrators do not condone and are in no way liable for anything that is posted or is a result of something that has been posted on this site. Do not post evidence of any crimes or incriminate yourself.

We do not have a solid set-in-stone list of rules because of the nature of this forum. The rules below have been developed to address issues that commonly arise in the forum. This is not a catch all and is meant to be used as a guideline. Please use common sense when posting. We may let minor violations slide if they are not disrupting the operation of the forum. If in doubt, Private Message a member of staff for clarification before making your post.

We encourage proper forum etiquette when posting or making a new thread. When posting please use the multi-quote feature or edit your post to avoid multiposting. Proper spelling and grammar is also strongly encouraged.

We use a combination of warnings and bans to deal with rule violations. For small violations we give out warnings. For more severe or reoccurring violations we will ban users based on the severity of the violation. When a user here is warned, they have three days from the time they have been warned in which they cannot violate any rules again. If the three days pass without violation, the users warning level is reset completely. If three days have not passed though and they violate the rules again, they will be banned with the length determined by the member of staff who bans them.

Attention New Users:
Until you have at least 20 posts, you will not be able to use img BBCode tags. This has been done to prevent some types of very nasty spam from being posted by someone with throwaway accounts on here. We're sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.

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We will not delete your account by request. What you post here is, for the most part, permanent and is backed up frequently.

The Seven Deadly Sins of Sanctuary:
You will be automatically banned and, if applicable, the offending posts will be removed for the following.

1. Flooding, a form of spam, which is posting the same images and/or text repeatedly. It can also include posting incredibly long posts without any substantial content.
2. Child porn, (CP) which can be defined as images, videos, or links to such of anyone nude and under the age of 18, no matter what the context and sexually suggestive images, videos or links to such of anyone under the age of 18 with partial clothing. (Bikinis, etc.)
3. Links to or images and videos of IRL bestiality.
4. Personal information (PI) of any users on Sanctuary, which is anything that can be used to identify a user or their family members IRL. The only exception to this is if someone posts their own PI publicly on the site. That is it.
5. Advertising your own site, service, or thing unless publicly cleared to do so by an admin or global mod. This also includes people affiliated with the creation, maintenance, or advertisement of a site, service, or thing.
6. Breaking into or attempting to deface or damage the site or its host in any way. This also includes links to programs that could damage or deface the site or its host, instructions on how to do so, or where to obtain such information or make such programs.
7. Ban evading, which is making another account in order to circumvent your ban and continuing to post on the site. If you are caught ban evading, your alt account will be permabanned and length of the ban on your original will be increased if it is a temporary ban.

You may be warned for the following:
- Blatantly derailing a thread and going completely against the conversation flow or derailing with the purpose of harassing another user.
- Bumping a thread that is old unless you legitimately have something to add or contribute.
- Completely illegible or incoherent posts or threads.
- Making phony post reports.

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- Use the report post feature to let the moderation team know of issues with users.
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- If you repeatedly violate a rule, or if we think you are just bringing the site down, you may be banned for a long time or permabanned.

If you feel you've been punished unfairly, you may contact an admin about it by email. (fakeout0@yahoo.com) HOWEVER, keep in mind that most, if not all of the time, an admin (me included) will stand by a global moderator's decision. We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard. For more information on this subject, please see the stickied topic on Staffing Policies.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: NiggerTree on October 27, 2014, 11:32:22 pm
"Beta"
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on October 27, 2014, 11:37:00 pm
"Completely illegible posts or threads"

does this mean anywhere in the forum, and also, who decides what is 'illegible'? 
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 27, 2014, 11:40:26 pm
"Completely illegible posts or threads"

does this mean anywhere in the forum, and also, who decides what is 'illegible'? 

Except in the future spam forum, yes. And the staff.

EDIT: Put in incoherency as well.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on October 27, 2014, 11:42:15 pm
Except in the future spam forum, yes. And the staff.

Ok, thanks for clarifying this
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on October 27, 2014, 11:42:39 pm
you forgot the most important rule of all

8. No niggers allowed

Im not seeing anything new.  its the same list as has always been and fully subject to misinterpretation and abuse
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on October 27, 2014, 11:44:18 pm
fully subject to misinterpretation and abuse

this X 1000000, but I am willing to give it a try just so when it doesn't work out I can be all like 'I trusted you!  And you led me astray!!!'
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: kolokol-1 on October 27, 2014, 11:51:12 pm
Looks good

But I thought half of the purpose of HB was drug-fueled incoherency

Also, why don't we just ban all pictures of anyone under the age of 18 before people start saying "it's not sexually suggestive!!!!11

If someone wants to post a picture of someone under the age of 18 they can get approval first
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 27, 2014, 11:52:47 pm
Arnox is too beta to lead the coalition of victims and faggots
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 27, 2014, 11:53:43 pm
But I thought half of the purpose of HB was drug-fueled incoherency

We're going to make HB a funny SG pretty much and make a spam forum as well to counterbalance that.

As with CP, I don't think we need to be that strict.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on October 27, 2014, 11:56:42 pm
Arnox is too beta to lead the coalition of victims and faggots

damnit, the worst thing you can do is call a beta a beta, because then they get all indignant and start trying to act like what they think alphas act like, and it just ends up as a pathetic train wreck.  How do you say....'cringey'?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 12:00:23 am
Serious question Arnox, I'm actually interested in your response as I'm sure many other are too, you've left a trail of breadcrumbs leading to the answer for some time now and my suspicions are all but confirmed but I have to be straight up for a second when I ask you this and I expect a serious and truthful answer, direct, to the point, no pussyfooting around, just an honest, truthful response and I'll never ask it again






FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR IQ?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 12:11:25 am

Arnox warned me for asking what his IQ is

suspicions confirmed

66, the number of the retarded mormon beast
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on October 28, 2014, 12:13:20 am
Arnox is too beta to lead the coalition of victims and faggots

only faggot bottoms use those terms
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on October 28, 2014, 12:13:51 am

Arnox warned me for asking what his IQ is

suspicions confirmed

66, the number of the retarded mormon beast

damnit, the worst thing you can do is call a beta a beta, because then they get all indignant and start trying to act like what they think alphas act like, and it just ends up as a pathetic train wreck.  How do you say....'cringey'?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on October 28, 2014, 12:14:38 am
Serious question Arnox, I'm actually interested in your response as I'm sure many other are too, you've left a trail of breadcrumbs leading to the answer for some time now and my suspicions are all but confirmed but I have to be straight up for a second when I ask you this and I expect a serious and truthful answer, direct, to the point, no pussyfooting around, just an honest, truthful response and I'll never ask it again

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR IQ?

only fucking retards care what anyone elses IQ is

now stfu and go find a nice juicy window to practice your dick licking skills on
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 12:17:06 am
Why is there still a PI rule. These stupid fights over what is and isn't PI and trying to be the content police only serves to piss everyone off and commodifies PI. Zok was the grand master of PI fascism and that shit was still rampant on zoklet. Why is it the responsibility of the staff here to make sure my picture doesn't get posted?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 12:18:29 am
Will Tagging Articles with users names in them be considered PI?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Spectre on October 28, 2014, 12:24:34 am
- If you repeatedly violate a rule, or if we think you are just bringing the site down, you may be banned for a long time or permabanned.

the bold and underlined portion of that is a license to abuse bans
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 12:24:44 am
-Please elaborate more what you expect in regard to what the definition of "forum etiquette" is.

-Please remove the "proper spelling and grammar is encouraged". You are already going over the fact that unintelligible babble won't be tolerated later in the rules....and this particular edict sounds like it's coming from a school marm or anal retentive librarian. Which is a bit awkward if not embarrasing considering the type of hardcore user you seem to want to attract.

-Please elaborate on what constitutes "derailing with the purpose to harass a user". This sounds way too generic and broad based, and could be used/abused/interpreted willy nilly depending on the parties and any bias the staff may have in perception of the posts.

-Please elaborate on the meaning of "if we think you are just bringing the site down". This is THE most dangerous rule of all, and sounds way too subjective and open up to interpretation as I just stated above. Kind of how police use "disorderly conduct" as their catchall crutch when no other crime has really been committed, just kind of throwing something at the wall hoping to make anything stick.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on October 28, 2014, 12:30:06 am
Will Tagging Articles with users names in them be considered PI?

 :happy:
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 12:33:03 am
Why is there still a PI rule.

Because the purpose to this forum is to exchange ideas and information as well as engage in lively debate. Sure those debates sometimes end up being arguments which escalate into outright flame wars. But if ANYONE at ANY TIME has to resort to "spreading PI" (whether pics, names or anything else) because they are such an immature fuckup in the middle of losing that debate...then they have no business being here. They do need to be perma-banned, as someone that emotionally spastic and mentally lacking  has to actually "go there"...its not conducive in any way, shape or form to what the purpose to this place is, and especially the "kind" of user we want to attract.

This has been explained to you probably a couple DOZEN times now, when will you stop asking this ridiculous question with such an OBVIOUS answer. Just because you don't like the response doesn't mean common sense and adult discourse will suddenly take a vacation because it doesn't fit your toxic and idiotic agenda. Get over it already.....
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: 1337 on October 28, 2014, 12:36:51 am
Today I learned that the Nevermind album cover is CP. I guess I better get rid of it before I get raided. :jerkoff:
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 12:37:11 am
Sure, posting PI isn't particularly productive but trying to enforce that rule is one of the most conter-productive sources of drama this community has ever tried (unsuccessfully) to engage in.

Also shut up dapedo, you're bringing the site down.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on October 28, 2014, 12:38:21 am
No more advertising your things, guys ;)
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 12:44:27 am
Sure, posting PI isn't particularly productive but trying to enforce that rule is one of the most conter-productive sources of drama this community has ever tried (unsuccessfully) to engage in.

Also shut up dapedo, you're bringing the site down.

10s of thousands of other message forums all over the internet says you are just spewing fairy tales, myths and bullshit all in a feeble attempt at muddying the waters and creating the illusion it is "hard" to keep conversation in check.

You shut up Lanny, you're bringing the site down by trying to champion the "cause(?)" of PI spreading....along with insulting everyone's intelligence by thinking people will buy into your bullshit fairy tales that have no basis or foundation for even a second.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 12:46:14 am
No more advertising your things, guys ;)

If you want to prove your competence and sincerity in actually enforcing these rules...why not go do your fuckin job and take care of reply #17, instead of prattling on with irrelevant nonsense.

InB4 the coy/stupid card is played......
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 12:47:29 am
No, you're insulting everyone by implying they're as much of a little bitch as you are. Man the fuck up, if you're so stupid that you can't keep your personal info under wraps then you shouldn't be posting here anyway. Instead you want to be a dipshit and go cry to the staff when someone posts your name like it even matters.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 12:48:59 am
DaGuru, you and I both know the day a pic of you is posted is the last day you post here due to a massive overdose of shame. I can't imagine you being anything less than absolutely tragic/hilarious/pitiful looking, coupled with your middle aged retarded try hardedness it'd add a whole new pathetic and creepy dimension to it.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 12:49:47 am
Hey, Lanny, if I bought a domain and host would you code/admin it?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 12:51:50 am
No, you're insulting everyone by implying they're as much of a little bitch as you are. Man the fuck up, if you're so stupid that you can't keep your personal info under wraps then you shouldn't be posting here anyway. Instead you want to be a dipshit and go cry to the staff when someone posts your name like it even matters.

Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.

Translation: "I'm losing this argument badly and have no other response....so I'll take the cheapest road possible and share a pic or name of someone. That way I can say 'Hahahahaha, this is youuuuuuuuuu' and then suddenly I win the debate and show off my intellectual prowess all at the same time"~~~~~The logic of a spastic little child, that fails badly at actual socialization in real life, and when his virtual world ends up a failure/embarrasement too...he pulls out any and all stops to lash out at the world and his enemies.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 12:55:53 am
No, you're insulting everyone by implying they're as much of a little bitch as you are. Man the fuck up, if you're so stupid that you can't keep your personal info under wraps then you shouldn't be posting here anyway. Instead you want to be a dipshit and go cry to the staff when someone posts your name like it even matters.

Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.

Translation: "I'm losing this argument badly and have no other response....so I'll take the cheapest road possible and share a pic or name of someone. That way I can say 'Hahahahaha, this is youuuuuuuuuu' and then suddenly I win the debate and show off my intellectual prowess all at the same time"~~~~~The logic of a spastic little child, that fails badly at actual socialization in real life, and when his virtual world ends up a failure/embarrasement too...he pulls out any and all stops to lash out at the world and his enemies.

You just admitted everything you say is disqualified by how laughable you look because "the medium is the message" which is a quote by someone you've never heard of because you're both stupid and ugly
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Suicidal Fish on October 28, 2014, 01:13:19 am
Can I eat Corned Beef in the Spam Forum?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: fanglekai on October 28, 2014, 01:14:30 am
All this retarded arguing over POINTLESS SHIT. holy fuck you people have no lives. Casual posting used to be decent but now it's nothing but crying and butthurt everywhere.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 01:15:29 am
when I was a kid I would be psyched if we were eating corned beef and cabbage for supper

typing that almost made me cry

ha
ha

am I joking or not?

fuck, I dunno if you can tell or not
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 01:21:09 am
Arnox warned me for asking what his IQ is

Actually, you were warned for making a massive post full of paragraph breaks which would be flooding.

Why is there still a PI rule. These stupid fights over what is and isn't PI

What is and isn't PI is clearly defined now.

- If you repeatedly violate a rule, or if we think you are just bringing the site down, you may be banned for a long time or permabanned.

the bold and underlined portion of that is a license to abuse bans

If we really wanted to abuse bans, we wouldn't care about whatever the rules would say.

-Please elaborate more what you expect in regard to what the definition of "forum etiquette" is.

-Please remove the "proper spelling and grammar is encouraged". You are already going over the fact that unintelligible babble won't be tolerated later in the rules....and this particular edict sounds like it's coming from a school marm or anal retentive librarian. Which is a bit awkward if not embarrasing considering the type of hardcore user you seem to want to attract.

-Please elaborate on what constitutes "derailing with the purpose to harass a user". This sounds way too generic and broad based, and could be used/abused/interpreted willy nilly depending on the parties and any bias the staff may have in perception of the posts.

-Please elaborate on the meaning of "if we think you are just bringing the site down". This is THE most dangerous rule of all, and sounds way too subjective and open up to interpretation as I just stated above. Kind of how police use "disorderly conduct" as their catchall crutch when no other crime has really been committed, just kind of throwing something at the wall hoping to make anything stick.

1. Pretty much what is stated. I wouldn't worry about it though. Forum etiquette is just highly recommended and is not a rule.

2. I thought it was pretty clear. If someone comes into a thread merely to say "Your posts suck." or "OP sucks." or "Poster #23 sucks." or what have you, you may be warned for that as it's a form of blatant derailment.

3. Eh... Alright. I'll take it out. But the first part of the rules still apply. The thing is, DaGuru, people here need to have some faith in the staff. Again, we're not here to be brutal dictators or else we would have made a completely different site.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 01:30:26 am
Why is there still a PI rule. These stupid fights over what is and isn't PI

What is and isn't PI is clearly defined now.

Even if the wording is clear it won't be enforced like that (and actually it's the same rule as before which empirically hasn't been enforced like that). Take the pictures that Vizier posted on zoklet that have been posted here. By a literal reading of the rules that's PI but it hasn't been treated that way and it'd be stupid to treat it that way.

Besides, most people would think the rule is stupid even if it were crystal clear. People will break the rule if it's there or not. In fact people will post PI because there's a rule against it. It's just one more reason for people to pick fights with you and the staff with absolutely 0 benefit to anyone in the community.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 01:37:07 am
Even if the wording is clear it won't be enforced like that (and actually it's the same rule as before which empirically hasn't been enforced like that). Take the pictures that Vizier posted on zoklet that have been posted here. By a literal reading of the rules that's PI but it hasn't been treated that way and it'd be stupid to treat it that way.

Besides, most people would think the rule is stupid even if it were crystal clear. People will break the rule if it's there or not. In fact people will post PI because there's a rule against it. It's just one more reason for people to pick fights with you and the staff with absolutely 0 benefit to anyone in the community.

I don't know what happened with Vizier's PI. I was getting posts about it being an actor or something... I don't know. Slip-ups happen. We can't be omniscient and that goes for every rule. Not just PI.

But, by your logic, we should just have ignored the CP too because people were posting it all the time. And you're also making it sound like it's still a current problem when no one around here has posted PI for a rather long time anymore.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 02:06:20 am
I don't know what happened with Vizier's PI. I was getting posts about it being an actor or something... I don't know. Slip-ups happen. We can't be omniscient and that goes for every rule. Not just PI.

Sure, but you can make fewer mistakes by having fewer rules. You ought only to have a rule if it does more good than harm. Harm from the PI rule comes in arguments over what constitutes PI, staff slipups, and resentment towards the staff. There are no clear benefits since the rule doesn't actually prevent PI from being spread.

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But, by your logic, we should just have ignored the CP too because people were posting it all the time.

The difference is that CP will get the site shut down and people arrested. PI poses no such risk. If CP were legal in the operant legal jurisdictions then it would be hypocritical to ban in it a free speech forum.

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And you're also making it sound like it's still a current problem when no one around here has posted PI for a rather long time anymore.

Seeing as PI was posted in this very thread I'd say it's still a thing. Not saying that's a problem, but how you handle it is still relevant.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: joe camel on October 28, 2014, 02:24:20 am
But I thought half of the purpose of HB was drug-fueled incoherency

We're going to make HB a funny SG pretty much and make a spam forum as well to counterbalance that.

As with CP, I don't think we need to be that strict.

I feel there should be no real rules in hb, except pi, cp, and bestiality.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 02:27:30 am


Even if the wording is clear it won't be enforced like that (and actually it's the same rule as before which empirically hasn't been enforced like that). Take the pictures that Vizier posted on zoklet that have been posted here. By a literal reading of the rules that's PI but it hasn't been treated that way and it'd be stupid to treat it that way.

Besides, most people would think the rule is stupid even if it were crystal clear. People will break the rule if it's there or not. In fact people will post PI because there's a rule against it. It's just one more reason for people to pick fights with you and the staff with absolutely 0 benefit to anyone in the community.

Oh for Christ's sake, the fact you are desperately putting THIS much effort into justifying posting PI just proves what kind of worthless and useless little troll you really are. You keep acting like there is "confusion" in regard to PI, when all this is is YOU acting like a petulant toddler that can't take "no" for an answer when asking mommie if he can have candy bars for supper.

There is ZERO purpose to post PI other than to go out of your way and maliciously fuck with someone on or off the boards. Using your Vizier pic example....its is NOT a legitimate post of any relevance of any discussion. There is no GREY area...."errrrr ummm, well I had to post it because it was the answer/response to the argument". No its not.

You claiming it's "too hard" to enforce is especially absurd, and only giving that argument because you yourself were a lousy moderator and got off on such immaturity and stupidity. Most rational people that would become mods certainly CAN enforce it, because the concept is as simple as counting to 10.

And in regard to your absolutely ridiculous idea of..."people will post PI JUST to challenge the rule and moderators"....well there is a name for attention seeking malcontents that PLAY GAMES on message boards instead of actually posting relevant discussion. They are called TROLLS, and any BBS worth its salt removes the obvious trolls that do NOTHING other than to just dumb down and taint everyone else's experience. Yet again, its very interesting you are so damn intent to coddle/encourage/justify dimestore trolling and immature idiots that aren't here to actually engage in adult discourse....but act the fool and blatantly fuck with everyone else.

Go away TROLL, you clearly don't get it, you won't ever get it, and you obviously do NOT fit in here....if trolling/PI posting is such an "integral" part of your experience in this arena. You are a worthless little bitch, and its really about time mommie just sent you to your room without ANY supper....if you are going to whine and cry to such an extent over such a cut-n-dry and easily understood rule that nobody else seems to have a problem with.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 02:29:57 am
hey daguru I just wanted to point out that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote. Feel free to keep wasting your time on internet rants no one is ever going to read though
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 02:32:07 am
hey daguru I just wanted to point out that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote. Feel free to keep wasting your time on internet rants no one is ever going to read though

Check. and. MATE.   8)
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 02:39:40 am
hey daguru I just wanted to point out that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote. Feel free to keep wasting your time on internet rants no one is ever going to read though

Check. and. MATE.   8)

I'm glad you've decided to admit your defeat so gracefully
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 02:54:57 am
Harm from the PI rule comes in arguments over what constitutes PI, staff slipups, and resentment towards the staff. There are no clear benefits since the rule doesn't actually prevent PI from being spread.

Again, it's pretty clear what constitutes PI now and what isn't, staff slipups with it happen just as often as other rules which is occasionally, and resentment towards staff... People already resent the staff. And as some people pointed out, some people will hate the staff just because they are staff. Nothing can be done about that. And in any case, hardly anyone here has a problem with the PI rule it looks like. You seem to be the only one who has a problem with it. Just saiyan.

Posting a users PI is not only a huge annoyance to the user who's PI was posted, in some rare extreme cases, it can also become a serious identity theft hazard and some of our more crazy members may just take advantage of the PI and track down the user (Yes, I've heard of this happening legitly. Don't tell me it doesn't.) to harm him/her in some way.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 03:10:30 am
And in any case, hardly anyone here has a problem with the PI rule it looks like. You seem to be the only one who has a problem with it. Just saiyan.

So when/if enough people complain about PI or find the rule ambiguous then you'll repeal it? I'm the only person complaining now but I expect when a popular poster gets banned people will give a shit and they'll let you know, it's happened in the past.

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Posting a users PI is not only a huge annoyance to the user who's PI was posted, in some rare extreme cases, it can also become a serious identity theft hazard and some of our more crazy members may just take advantage of the PI and track down the user (Yes, I've heard of this happening legitly. Don't tell me it doesn't.) to harm him/her in some way.

You're right, it is annoying to be doxxed. Probably not dangerous to anyone here, but I'll give it to you for the sake of argument. The problem is that the rule doesn't stop anyone from doing it. It actually encourages it because PI becomes commoditized. The damage is done if the person posting the PI is banned or not (not to mention spreading PI through email and PM is absolutely trivial).
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 03:12:57 am


So when/if enough people complain about PI or find the rule ambiguous then you'll repeal it? I'm the only person complaining now but I expect when a popular poster gets banned people will give a shit and they'll let you know, it's happened in the past.



You're right, it is annoying to be doxxed. Probably not dangerous to anyone here, but I'll give it to you for the sake of argument. The problem is that the rule doesn't stop anyone from doing it. It actually encourages it because PI becomes commoditized. The damage is done if the person posting the PI is banned or not (not to mention spreading PI through email and PM is absolutely trivial).

"B-B-B-B-But I really LIKE candy bars, Mommie.....can't I have one, PLEEASSSSSSEEEEEE!" ~~~~~Petulant little child, still ain't getting it. :facepalm:
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 03:16:25 am


So when/if enough people complain about PI or find the rule ambiguous then you'll repeal it? I'm the only person complaining now but I expect when a popular poster gets banned people will give a shit and they'll let you know, it's happened in the past.



You're right, it is annoying to be doxxed. Probably not dangerous to anyone here, but I'll give it to you for the sake of argument. The problem is that the rule doesn't stop anyone from doing it. It actually encourages it because PI becomes commoditized. The damage is done if the person posting the PI is banned or not (not to mention spreading PI through email and PM is absolutely trivial).

"B-B-B-B-But I really LIKE candy bars, Mommie.....can't I have one, PLEEASSSSSSEEEEEE!" ~~~~~Petulant little child, still ain't getting it. :facepalm:

stay mad nigger
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 03:49:04 am
I'm the only person complaining now but I expect when a popular poster gets banned people will give a shit and they'll let you know, it's happened in the past.

You're right, it is annoying to be doxxed. Probably not dangerous to anyone here, but I'll give it to you for the sake of argument. The problem is that the rule doesn't stop anyone from doing it. It actually encourages it because PI becomes commoditized. The damage is done if the person posting the PI is banned or not (not to mention spreading PI through email and PM is absolutely trivial).

If that happens, I'll just point them to the rules and tell them that they agreed to follow them when they were made. As to a lot of posters possibly complaining about it now, if they bring up good points against it, I'll remove it. (I really doubt it though.)

As to the rule making it a commodity, it already is a commodity simply by it being private information. And it has more of a purpose besides just removing PI. It's also a way to point out problem users. Chances are, if someone posts PI of somebody else here maliciously, that's a user we don't want here. However, there is one valid argument for removing the rule and that is that if someone posts PI of someone here, a lot of the time, there's no way for other members and guests to verify if that's really the users PI or not.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Dumpster Slut on October 28, 2014, 03:49:08 am
lol this is lol
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: fanglekai on October 28, 2014, 04:15:59 am
what
And in any case, hardly anyone here has a problem with the PI rule it looks like. You seem to be the only one who has a problem with it. Just saiyan.

So when/if enough people complain about PI or find the rule ambiguous then you'll repeal it? I'm the only person complaining now but I expect when a popular poster gets banned people will give a shit and they'll let you know, it's happened in the past.

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Posting a users PI is not only a huge annoyance to the user who's PI was posted, in some rare extreme cases, it can also become a serious identity theft hazard and some of our more crazy members may just take advantage of the PI and track down the user (Yes, I've heard of this happening legitly. Don't tell me it doesn't.) to harm him/her in some way.

You're right, it is annoying to be doxxed. Probably not dangerous to anyone here, but I'll give it to you for the sake of argument. The problem is that the rule doesn't stop anyone from doing it. It actually encourages it because PI becomes commoditized. The damage is done if the person posting the PI is banned or not (not to mention spreading PI through email and PM is absolutely trivial).

what the fuck is it with you zoklet faggots and needing so desperately to harvest and store people's information? just post on the forum without all this bullshit. i haven't seen any decent posts from you. post some decent content or fuck off to some other forum.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 04:28:40 am
If that happens, I'll just point them to the rules and tell them that they agreed to follow them when they were made. As to a lot of posters possibly complaining about it now, if they bring up good points against it, I'll remove it. (I really doubt it though.)

Wouldn't it be better to actually avoid pissing people off rather than pointing to the rules and saying tough luck?

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As to the rule making it a commodity, it already is a commodity simply by it being private information.

I disagree. There's actual research demonstrating that making something forbidden actually makes it more attractive. Even if it didn't increase the appeal of PI there's still the fact that the PI rule helps no one.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 04:30:47 am
what the fuck is it with you zoklet faggots and needing so desperately to harvest and store people's information? just post on the forum without all this bullshit. i haven't seen any decent posts from you. post some decent content or fuck off to some other forum.

I couldn't imagine giving less of a fuck if my posting habits measure up to your bullshit quality standards.

All I've ever seen you do is meta-bitch about other people bitching. You're doing everything they are except you're an extraordinary hypocrite for doing so.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: mmmmmmmQuestions on October 28, 2014, 04:34:51 am
hey could you change the CP rule for a few hours so I can unload my stash and exclaim good riddance? mmthanks in advance
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: fanglekai on October 28, 2014, 04:38:17 am
what the fuck is it with you zoklet faggots and needing so desperately to harvest and store people's information? just post on the forum without all this bullshit. i haven't seen any decent posts from you. post some decent content or fuck off to some other forum.

I couldn't imagine giving less of a fuck if my posting habits measure up to your bullshit quality standards.

All I've ever seen you do is meta-bitch about other people bitching. You're doing everything they are except you're an extraordinary hypocrite for doing so.

All you do is cry and moan trying to get PI allowed on here. You're less than worthless by anyone's standards. It's sad you can't post any real worthwhile content. Make your own PI forum and see how that goes.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 05:04:05 am
All you do is cry and moan trying to get PI allowed on here. You're less than worthless by anyone's standards. It's sad you can't post any real worthwhile content. Make your own PI forum and see how that goes.

I'll continue posting here as long as it pleases me and if it makes you mad in the process then all the better.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: BallsDeep69 on October 28, 2014, 06:40:27 am
No more advertising your things, guys ;)
Yes... We don't want another Vinniepooh don't we?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Rook on October 28, 2014, 07:08:00 am
Rules seem legit.. no quarrels here.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on October 28, 2014, 10:54:24 am
- If you repeatedly violate a rule, or if we think you are just bringing the site down, you may be banned for a long time or permabanned.

Does this mean someone can be banned for their post style, e.g. being direct, persistent and ruthless in discussion? I ask because I can imagine a scenario whereby a mod' recommends a user be permabanned because they are consistently 'mean and unfriendly'. On the basis of what I've seen so far on this site I doubt they'd even be required to validate their claim before action was considered.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 11:12:53 am

what the fuck is it with you zoklet faggots and needing so desperately to harvest and store people's information? just post on the forum without all this bullshit. i haven't seen any decent posts from you. post some decent content or fuck off to some other forum.

For those of you new to Lanny, he's not just a troll....but a very dedicated troll. This is a guy that got significant amusement at posing as a girl back at Zoklet....and not just for a couple of days or week or so, but for literally close to 2 years. :facepalm: Of course in the middle of the ambiguity/uncertainty someone made him a mod because of the slight possibility of him possessing a vagina, and that too ended very badly. The sad little shit got so butthurt at a user that constantly embarrassed him and made him look the fool, he ended up writing some code that gave said user several thousand infraction/bans all at the same time. He was of course demodded and perma-banned immediately, and nothing was really lost at all in the process.

Sure Lanny may know a little about techy computer bullshit, but that is only a product of the fact he lives/breathes all things computers as he has no socialization outside the internet and hardly any "life experience" to speak of. You NEVER hear him talk about things like..."I was at a party and this happened"..."I was with this girl and that happened"...."I was doing these drugs and ______"....he has ZERO anecdotes about real life things that most of us engage in, which is why trolling and immature idiocy is ALL he brings to the table.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 11:17:04 am


Does this mean someone can be banned for their post style, e.g. being direct, persistent and ruthless in discussion? I ask because I can imagine a scenario whereby a mod' recommends a user be permabanned because they are consistently 'mean and unfriendly'. On the basis of what I've seen so far on this site I doubt they'd even be required to validate their claim before action was considered.

I THINK (but there is a bit of obscure uncertainty) he somewhat retracted that particular rule in his response to me...



3. Eh... Alright. I'll take it out. But the first part of the rules still apply. The thing is, DaGuru, people here need to have some faith in the staff. Again, we're not here to be brutal dictators or else we would have made a completely different site.

Again, seems to be a little bit confusing and muddy....because all we can do is take Arnox at face value at this point, and leaving any finite boundary or rule on the concept of "faith" leaves me a bit squeamish as well.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on October 28, 2014, 11:21:04 am
Another issue is consistent enforcement of the rules and not being selective about what is and isnt infracted...or by whom

As it is now that is most definitely not the case
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 28, 2014, 11:39:29 am
- If you repeatedly violate a rule, or if we think you are just bringing the site down, you may be banned for a long time or permabanned.

the bold and underlined portion of that is a license to abuse bans

Was gonna post the exact same thing, but you beat me to it. But then again, if we don't have the rule of "bringing the site down", the kidiots could use that as a loophole to bring the site down. It's kind of a double-edged sword. The actual threat to community comes when a staff member takes it upon himself to label valid content as spam, so there should also be a rule to indicate that any staff member who determines valid content to be spam will be removed from the staff forthwith.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on October 28, 2014, 11:49:39 am

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If you feel you've been punished unfairly, you may contact an admin about it by email. (fakeout0@yahoo.com) HOWEVER, keep in mind that most, if not all of the time, an admin (me included) will stand by a global moderator's decision. We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard. For more information on this subject, please see the stickied topic on Staffing Policies.


3. Eh... Alright. I'll take it out. But the first part of the rules still apply. The thing is, DaGuru, people here need to have some faith in the staff. Again, we're not here to be brutal dictators or else we would have made a completely different site.

Again, seems to be a little bit confusing and muddy....because all we can do is take Arnox at face value at this point, and leaving any finite boundary or rule on the concept of "faith" leaves me a bit squeamish as well.

The religious undertones hadn't escaped me; you just need to have some faith in the near-infallible staff he picks DaGuru.

As always, time will tell how well that works out.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Jedi Moped on October 28, 2014, 11:55:05 am
Why is there still a PI rule.

Because the purpose to this forum is to exchange ideas and information as well as engage in lively debate. Sure those debates sometimes end up being arguments which escalate into outright flame wars. But if ANYONE at ANY TIME has to resort to "spreading PI" (whether pics, names or anything else) because they are such an immature fuckup in the middle of losing that debate...then they have no business being here. They do need to be perma-banned, as someone that emotionally spastic and mentally lacking  has to actually "go there"...its not conducive in any way, shape or form to what the purpose to this place is, and especially the "kind" of user we want to attract.

This has been explained to you probably a couple DOZEN times now, when will you stop asking this ridiculous question with such an OBVIOUS answer. Just because you don't like the response doesn't mean common sense and adult discourse will suddenly take a vacation because it doesn't fit your toxic and idiotic agenda. Get over it already.....
STFU SpectraL
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 28, 2014, 12:00:24 pm
Why is there still a PI rule.

Because the purpose to this forum is to exchange ideas and information as well as engage in lively debate. Sure those debates sometimes end up being arguments which escalate into outright flame wars. But if ANYONE at ANY TIME has to resort to "spreading PI" (whether pics, names or anything else) because they are such an immature fuckup in the middle of losing that debate...then they have no business being here. They do need to be perma-banned, as someone that emotionally spastic and mentally lacking  has to actually "go there"...its not conducive in any way, shape or form to what the purpose to this place is, and especially the "kind" of user we want to attract.

This has been explained to you probably a couple DOZEN times now, when will you stop asking this ridiculous question with such an OBVIOUS answer. Just because you don't like the response doesn't mean common sense and adult discourse will suddenly take a vacation because it doesn't fit your toxic and idiotic agenda. Get over it already.....
STFU SpectraL

The mods should know by now, just taking one look at your posting history, that you are only here on behalf of LLZ to shit up the threads in a pathetic attempt to disrupt conversations and progress here. If that ain't attempting to deface the site, as the rules clearly state is defacing the site, then I don't know what is. In my opinion, you should be permabanned. You've already released member PI several times and been banned for it, and now you're following members around in the threads, attacking valid content repeatedly, basically just trying to disrupt Sanctuary in general by flooding it with no-content posts. If it were up to me, you'd be permabanned right now.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on October 28, 2014, 12:04:30 pm
STFU SpectraL

Truth be told I do think there's some scope for 'executive' decisions to be made. In your case for example the level of out-and-out shitposting is exceptionally high; checking through your last 50 posts is a bit like staring at dead bodies floating down the Ganges.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 03:02:54 pm
STFU SpectraL

Truth be told I do think there's some scope for 'executive' decisions to be made. In your case for example the level of out-and-out shitposting is exceptionally high; checking through your last 50 posts is a bit like staring at dead bodies floating down the Ganges.

"This 'ban people who bring the site down' rule it terrible! Whaaaaa! Err... except for when it's someone I dislike"
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 03:43:34 pm
Does this mean someone can be banned for their post style, e.g. being direct, persistent and ruthless in discussion? I ask because I can imagine a scenario whereby a mod' recommends a user be permabanned because they are consistently 'mean and unfriendly'. On the basis of what I've seen so far on this site I doubt they'd even be required to validate their claim before action was considered.

Having talked to DaGuru a little bit in this thread, the rule will be removed.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Michael Myers on October 28, 2014, 03:45:00 pm
Will you quote me and then post so I can be included in your 1500th post. Thanks.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on October 28, 2014, 03:52:26 pm
STFU SpectraL

Truth be told I do think there's some scope for 'executive' decisions to be made. In your case for example the level of out-and-out shitposting is exceptionally high; checking through your last 50 posts is a bit like staring at dead bodies floating down the Ganges.

"This 'ban people who bring the site down' rule it terrible! Whaaaaa! Err... except for when it's someone I dislike"

They may want to reconsider that rule unless theyre willing to ban every single member...including staff
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 04:50:03 pm
tried to type a reply but it kept coming up "kill yourself Arnox" over and over again
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Prometheus on October 28, 2014, 05:27:17 pm
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2. Child porn, (CP) which can be defined as images, videos, or links to such of anyone nude and under the age of 18, no matter what the context and sexually suggestive images, videos or links to such of anyone under the age of 18 with partial clothing. (Bikinis, etc.)
As mentioned above, that excludes the Nevermind album cover, but what jumped to my mind was the famous photograph from the My Lai Massacre. No shortage of classical art either. Perhaps a caveat is in order stating that if something could be considered CP according to the above rules, but clearly isn't treated that way culturally, get mod approval first.
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5. Advertising your own site, service, or thing unless publicly cleared to do so by an admin or global mod. This also includes people affiliated with the creation, maintenance, or advertisement of a site, service, or thing.
Isn't there a marketplace subforum? How does that relate?
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6. Breaking into or attempting to deface or damage the site or its host in any way. This also includes links to programs that could damage or deface the site or its host, instructions on how to do so, or where to obtain such information or make such programs.
No problem with the first sentence. But the rest of it... Where to obtain such information includes pretty much any website that teaches coding or networking. Links to software or instructions could possibly come up in context of discussions on security measures. As they say, the best way to see how security works, is to see how security fails.


I think that these rules are generally good, but need just a bit of polishing.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Jedi Moped on October 28, 2014, 06:03:41 pm
STFU SpectraL

Truth be told I do think there's some scope for 'executive' decisions to be made. In your case for example the level of out-and-out shitposting is exceptionally high; checking through your last 50 posts is a bit like staring at dead bodies floating down the Ganges.
STFU SpectraL
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Tokolosh on October 28, 2014, 07:38:48 pm
We're going to make HB a funny SG pretty much

...

lmao :facepalm:

Account Deletion:
We will not delete your account by request. What you post here is, for the most part, permanent and is backed up frequently.


How can you have such a forefront on PI and then tell users they can't delete their account by request?

2+2=5
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Umbrella Corp on October 28, 2014, 07:44:21 pm
Because PI that is posted here is free game.  Once you post your PI you can't take it back.  As it should be.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Tokolosh on October 28, 2014, 08:00:31 pm
Because PI that is posted here is free game.  Once you post your PI you can't take it back.  As it should be.

I wasn't talking about self-inflicted PI. If someone goes out their way to dox you and build an associative bridge of your offline life to your online sanctuary pseudonym, then you should have the option to wipe your posts from here. That account deletion segment has an eerie 'Whatever you post is now sanctuarys proprietary so tough' attitude.

PI aside, a user should have every right to request their account/posts to be deleted from a forum of this nature.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Umbrella Corp on October 28, 2014, 08:10:07 pm
Well arnox is human, I'm sure he will take all issues on a case by case basis and if someone is being tormented by a PI abuser, he will work with them.. He ain't a robot and it even said in his OP:

"We do not have a solid set-in-stone list of rules because of the nature of this forum. The rules below have been developed to address issues that commonly arise in the forum. This is not a catch all and is meant to be used as a guideline. "

Meaning the rules aren't like laws, they can be enforced strictly, loosely, or not at all based on the situation.

I can see why you have concerns tho.  Have a little faith.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Nasheeds and Lesbians on October 28, 2014, 08:24:16 pm
Mormonism: Life in the key of Beta

A story by Arnox
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: SupremeGentleman on October 28, 2014, 08:37:05 pm
But I thought half of the purpose of HB was drug-fueled incoherency

We're going to make HB a funny SG pretty much and make a spam forum as well to counterbalance that.

As with CP, I don't think we need to be that strict.

You brain dead morman scum, are you too stupid to see the premise behind halfbaked?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Gollumkip on October 28, 2014, 08:40:54 pm
Arnox- what's the reason for having posts, essentially "property of the site". Why the hell can't we delete our own posts? Why this rule? What's your objection to giving users this power?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 08:43:44 pm
^^Yeah seriously, account deletion is the one thing that would actually help people who got doxed. At least then they could do some damage control as opposed to the PI rule which doesn't help anyone.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 08:53:20 pm
As mentioned above, that excludes the Nevermind album cover, but what jumped to my mind was the famous photograph from the My Lai Massacre. No shortage of classical art either. Perhaps a caveat is in order stating that if something could be considered CP according to the above rules, but clearly isn't treated that way culturally, get mod approval first.

Isn't there a marketplace subforum? How does that relate?

No problem with the first sentence. But the rest of it... Where to obtain such information includes pretty much any website that teaches coding or networking. Links to software or instructions could possibly come up in context of discussions on security measures. As they say, the best way to see how security works, is to see how security fails.

1. Hm. That could work. However, the definition is already getting a little lengthy. Eh, oh well. I'll put it in.

2. Yeah, I'm thinking about getting rid of the Marketplace. Or perhaps make a rule to where you need to have at least 100 posts to make a thread there.

3. This is true. I'll get rid of the rest of the sentences after the first.

As to account deletion, it creates huge gaps in a bunch of threads that make them confusing and potentially downright unreadable. And actually, if someone's posting your PI, how would deleting your account do you any good?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 09:02:16 pm
And actually, if someone's posting your PI, how would deleting your account do you any good?

Because the only reason people care about PI is because people who know them IRL can see their shit. Go into BI or BLTC and tell me anyone there wouldn't want to delete their posts if their handle here got posted on facebook or something. Also this (what you posted) is the exact argument I made against the PI rule which you haven't addressed, so apparently being helpful to people who had their PI leaked isn't actually criteria for making a rule with respect to PI in your eyes.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 09:10:12 pm
Because the only reason people care about PI is because people who know them IRL can see their shit. Go into BI or BLTC and tell me anyone there wouldn't want to delete their posts if their handle here got posted on facebook or something. Also this (what you posted) is the exact argument I made against the PI rule which you haven't addressed, so apparently being helpful to people who had their PI leaked isn't actually criteria for making a rule with respect to PI in your eyes.

Even if we wanted to, we can't get rid of someone's posts entirely because account deletion won't delete other people's quotes of their posts. And even further, how would anyone on Facebook know it was their account and not actually someone elses? Unless they deliberately posted their PI all over their profile/the website in which case, doing such is their fault. Why should we have to take the hit and butcher our threads for someone else's dumb mistakes?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 09:15:55 pm
Even if we wanted to, we can't get rid of someone's posts entirely because account deletion won't delete other people's quotes of their posts.

Sure but account deletion would make looking up the users posts much more difficult since there would be not index as well as the fact that only some of what you post gets quoted.

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And even further, how would anyone on Facebook know it was their account and not actually someone elses?

You could probably identify most people on here if you knew them IRL. I know I'd be identifiable by the content of my posts if you knew me.

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Unless they deliberately posted their PI all over their profile/the website in which case, doing such is their fault. Why should we have to take the hit and butcher our threads for someone else's dumb mistakes?

Why should you have to take the hit in the case of the PI rule? Why should the userbase take the hit of getting banned for PI because of someone else's stupid mistake?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 28, 2014, 09:19:12 pm

It ain't rocket science. You allow member PI to be posted in any way, shape or form and you get an empty forum for your troubles.

Next.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: theKit on October 28, 2014, 09:24:18 pm
And actually, if someone's posting your PI, how would deleting your account do you any good?

Because the only reason people care about PI is because people who know them IRL can see their shit. Go into BI or BLTC and tell me anyone there wouldn't want to delete their posts if their handle here got posted on facebook or something. Also this (what you posted) is the exact argument I made against the PI rule which you haven't addressed, so apparently being helpful to people who had their PI leaked isn't actually criteria for making a rule with respect to PI in your eyes.
And actually, if someone's posting your PI, how would deleting your account do you any good?

Because the only reason people care about PI is because people who know them IRL can see their shit. Go into BI or BLTC and tell me anyone there wouldn't want to delete their posts if their handle here got posted on facebook or something. Also this (what you posted) is the exact argument I made against the PI rule which you haven't addressed, so apparently being helpful to people who had their PI leaked isn't actually criteria for making a rule with respect to PI in your eyes.

Lanny, why are you so dead set on allowing the posting of personal information? What legitimate reason would a user have to post another users personal information? If you can think of one it could and should be requested as a special exception to mods on a case by case basis.  The no posting PI rule prevents that very scenario.

Deleting accounts should also be only permissible by moderators on a case by case basis as arnox said, it could make threads unreadable.

I would like to know why there is a need for a no bestiality rule? I don't recall ever seeing an influx of furries arriving at Totse or Zoklet, it just seems like a waste of rule space.

What is the logic behind the no advertising rule? I could imagine someone who is aggressively trying to promote something could get annoying with posts about their thing but that could easily be covered by the no spam/flooding rule.

You should remove the rule explaining the 20 post limit, again though necessary - a waste of rule space. just let it exist no need to spell it out. I could see some fags preparing 50 accounts knowing they only has to post 20 times on each one to be able to spam CP for an entire day.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 09:29:38 pm
Sure but account deletion would make looking up the users posts much more difficult since there would be not index as well as the fact that only some of what you post gets quoted.

You could probably identify most people on here if you knew them IRL. I know I'd be identifiable by the content of my posts if you knew me.

Why should you have to take the hit in the case of the PI rule? Why should the userbase take the hit of getting banned for PI because of someone else's stupid mistake?

1. Not very much at all. Not enough to make a difference anyway. All it takes is just one mention of your username anywhere on this forum for someone to confirm that they posted here.

2. That's stretching it honestly and there's still a lot of deniability there even if a particular user does look suspicious.

3. Why should we take the hit for any rules at all? Because the good of doing so outweighs the bad. And as Mr. High just proved, there are a lot of methods one can gain someone else's PI that are beyond ones control.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 28, 2014, 09:30:50 pm

Lanny, why are you so dead set on allowing the posting of personal information? What legitimate reason would a user have to post another users personal information?

He's been asked this before and refuses to answer, because obviously there is ZERO reason. Instead he just continues to stomp his foot and cry like a bitch..."cuz I WANT TO!".  ;D
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 09:38:43 pm
Lanny, why are you so dead set on allowing the posting of personal information? What legitimate reason would a user have to post another users personal information? If you can think of one it could and should be requested as a special exception to mods on a case by case basis.  The no posting PI rule prevents that very scenario.

Reasons why I oppose the PI rule:
* It doesn't stop PI from actually being posted
* It's one more rule to generate conflicts between staff and posters
* It commodifies personal info so it actually gets posted more
* It generates drama because getting your PI posted is not a big fucking deal
* It's a bitch rule in the first place and make everyone look bad by association

A legitimate use case for "PI" (by the definition of the new rule) is if I wanted to post one of the totse or zoklet collages, I made two of them over the years, it's always fun to look back at them over the years. Things like Malice in his KKK get up at occupy oakland is now PI. If LSD ever registers an account his epic will become PI.

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Deleting accounts should also be only permissible by moderators on a case by case basis as arnox said, it could make threads unreadable.

I'm on the fence about account deletion but the point is it makes no sense to implement the PI rule (which obviously doesn't help people who have their PI posted) but not account deletion (which obviously DOES help people who have their PI posted).

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What is the logic behind the no advertising rule? I could imagine someone who is aggressively trying to promote something could get annoying with posts about their thing but that could easily be covered by the no spam/flooding rule.

The obvious answer is so sanctuary doesn't lose posters to other forums.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 09:44:01 pm
1. Not very much at all. Not enough to make a difference anyway. All it takes is just one mention of your username anywhere on this forum for someone to confirm that they posted here.

The issue is not being confirmed for posting on sanctuary but rather for doing things we wouldn't want to be made public. Account deletion at least has a solid chance of doing that.

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2. That's stretching it honestly and there's still a lot of deniability there even if a particular user does look suspicious.

Would you mind someone posting your handle and the site url on facebook or sending it to an employer? If the answer is yes then my point is made.

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3. Why should we take the hit for any rules at all? Because the good of doing so outweighs the bad. And as Mr. High just proved, there are a lot of methods one can gain someone else's PI that are beyond ones control.

I agree! So what good does the PI rule do? None. Obviously none. There is no good to come out of the rule because it doesn't stop shit.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 09:49:23 pm
I would like to know why there is a need for a no bestiality rule? I don't recall ever seeing an influx of furries arriving at Totse or Zoklet, it just seems like a waste of rule space.

What is the logic behind the no advertising rule? I could imagine someone who is aggressively trying to promote something could get annoying with posts about their thing but that could easily be covered by the no spam/flooding rule.

You should remove the rule explaining the 20 post limit, again though necessary - a waste of rule space. just let it exist no need to spell it out. I could see some fags preparing 50 accounts knowing they only has to post 20 times on each one to be able to spam CP for an entire day.

1. Honestly, we're just staying safe since bestiality is illegal in a whole lot of countries including where this site is hosted. I don't want to give prosecutors any more ammo than they already have to shut this site down. And only images and videos of IRL bestiality count anyway.

2. Besides the fact that, as Lanny said, I don't want traffic getting driven away from my site that I've worked hard on and continue to work hard on,  advertisements are just annoying in general, even if it's just a single thread. This isn't a place to sell your wares.

3. Eh. Maybe. I've already gotten some complaints from a couple Outlanders asking why they can't post images yet though.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 28, 2014, 09:50:32 pm

Sure it stops shit. It gets you banned again and the PI gets removed from public view. What more do you want?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 10:00:06 pm
The issue is not being confirmed for posting on sanctuary but rather for doing things we wouldn't want to be made public. Account deletion at least has a solid chance of doing that.

You're not supposed to admit to any crimes on here in the first place and as to talking about your personal life, that's giving out some PI by itself. Once again, it's on your shoulders.

Would you mind someone posting your handle and the site url on facebook or sending it to an employer?

Nope. Dead serious about that. I really wouldn't care. But there's no way to prove that without actually doing so, so it's a moot point.

I agree! So what good does the PI rule do? None. Obviously none. There is no good to come out of the rule because it doesn't stop shit.

I already explained the benefits of it. It's more than just about stopping PI from getting spread.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 10:03:32 pm
Alright, whatever, I can see you're not going to be convinced here.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on October 28, 2014, 10:04:40 pm
Does this mean someone can be banned for their post style, e.g. being direct, persistent and ruthless in discussion? I ask because I can imagine a scenario whereby a mod' recommends a user be permabanned because they are consistently 'mean and unfriendly'. On the basis of what I've seen so far on this site I doubt they'd even be required to validate their claim before action was considered.

STFU SpectraL

Truth be told I do think there's some scope for 'executive' decisions to be made. In your case for example the level of out-and-out shitposting is exceptionally high; checking through your last 50 posts is a bit like staring at dead bodies floating down the Ganges.

"This 'ban people who bring the site down' rule it terrible! Whaaaaa! Err... except for when it's someone I dislike"

Style ≠ content.

HTH.

Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 28, 2014, 10:06:28 pm
Alright, whatever, I can see you're not going to be convinced here.

Probably not. I do like having civil debates though for whatever it's worth.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: theKit on October 28, 2014, 10:36:54 pm

Reasons why I oppose the PI rule:
* It doesn't stop PI from actually being posted
* It's one more rule to generate conflicts between staff and posters
* It commodifies personal info so it actually gets posted more
* It generates drama because getting your PI posted is not a big fucking deal
* It's a bitch rule in the first place and make everyone look bad by association


The obvious answer is so sanctuary doesn't lose posters to other forums.

1) It does stop PI form being posted as the poster is banned and the info is deleted. If you're saying that having the rule doesn't stop the initial post of the PI, sure but that is really being picky and obviously not the goal for the rule. Having speed limits doesn't stop people from speeding, but being ticketed/punished for it certainly discourages it.

2) A person posting pi is generally doing it in a malicious way so that in itself creates the conflict between the user and the staff. If members follow the rules, there is no conflict.  There are less than 10 rules so I don't feel the sanctuaries rules to be lenghty or burdensome.

3) I don't think that's true at all unless you're talking about he butt hurt guy who gets mad because he gets banned for breaking the rules. If this logic was true, all the other rules would also be encouraging breaking of those rules which I'm not seeing. I don't see massive spam or CP by the general population simply because we have rules against those things.

4) It is a big deal to some people. Look at Zok, his PI gets leaked and he shuts down zoklet and makes up some bullshit AIDs story. I would definitely not want my address and phone number accessible to most of the retards on here.

5) You're being silly with that one.

 
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 28, 2014, 11:56:18 pm
1) It does stop PI form being posted as the poster is banned and the info is deleted. If you're saying that having the rule doesn't stop the initial post of the PI, sure but that is really being picky and obviously not the goal for the rule. Having speed limits doesn't stop people from speeding, but being ticketed/punished for it certainly discourages it.

But the difference to the person whose PI has been posted is non-existent. The damage is done if the PI is up for minutes or for ever because at least one person has it and you don't know who else does. Also PI via PM is trivial. Bans don't discourage it since IP bans don't exist, you just reg a new account and keep on spamming.

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2) A person posting pi is generally doing it in a malicious way so that in itself creates the conflict between the user and the staff. If members follow the rules, there is no conflict.  There are less than 10 rules so I don't feel the sanctuaries rules to be lenghty or burdensome.

User/user feuds actually are unavoidable and not particularly harmful. User/mod shit flinging (which is what the PI rule gets you) is destructive on the other hand because the power asymmetry.

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3) I don't think that's true at all unless you're talking about he butt hurt guy who gets mad because he gets banned for breaking the rules. If this logic was true, all the other rules would also be encouraging breaking of those rules which I'm not seeing. I don't see massive spam or CP by the general population simply because we have rules against those things.

You'll notice there was actually a run of CP raids fairly recently. Why would anyone spam CP if they weren't breaking the rules to do so?

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4) It is a big deal to some people. Look at Zok, his PI gets leaked and he shuts down zoklet and makes up some bullshit AIDs story. I would definitely not want my address and phone number accessible to most of the retards on here.

Sure, I agree. Doesn't change the fact that the pi rule doesn't stop your PI from being available to retards on here.

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5) You're being silly with that one.

I disagree.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 29, 2014, 12:42:50 am
The great thing about this thread, is any new users wanting to find out about the rules, or the implementation of the rules....will see Lanny droning on and on and on for 5+ pages asking the same questions, making the same erroneous arguments, and pouting again and again and again all because he can't take "no" as an answer. Helluva way to show people how immature, stupid, toxic, and outright insane one is....but its a nice commentary/legacy in regard to what Lanny is about, and why he enjoys being on message boards so much.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 29, 2014, 12:47:56 am

Also PI via PM is trivial. Bans don't discourage it since IP bans don't exist, you just reg a new account and keep on spamming.


And then all your sock puppets get banned as well until you get bored making them. I don't see the issue. This is the way it's always worked going back decades.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Jedi Moped on October 29, 2014, 01:01:06 am

Also PI via PM is trivial. Bans don't discourage it since IP bans don't exist, you just reg a new account and keep on spamming.


And then all your sock puppets get banned as well until you get bored making them. I don't see the issue. This is the way it's always worked going back decades.

When are you going to get bored with your alts?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Umbrella Corp on October 29, 2014, 01:15:43 am
Shut the fuck up The Dark Cock Sucker
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Jedi Moped on October 29, 2014, 02:36:12 am
Shut the fuck up The Dark Cock Sucker

Moms basement
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Cooking with Zyklon B on October 29, 2014, 04:53:50 am
The great thing about this thread, is any new users wanting to find out about the rules, or the implementation of the rules....will see Lanny droning on and on and on for 5+ pages asking the same questions, making the same erroneous arguments, and pouting again and again and again all because he can't take "no" as an answer. Helluva way to show people how immature, stupid, toxic, and outright insane one is....but its a nice commentary/legacy in regard to what Lanny is about, and why he enjoys being on message boards so much.

Sadly, I was thinking something along those lines right before your post. I got suckered into reading 6 pages of huff n puff because I was curious about the new rules, and the discussion that would follow to improve on the rules.

As far as the market place subforum, howabout having relatively new users need to have their posts moderator approved in that forum. I realize that would probably bar me from making an instantaneous ad for selling my pokemon cards, but that wouldn't bug me. Plus don't you think it'd be cool to be able to buy another knife from the Zodiac killer? 

As far as PI, I really don't care. Though personally I think things like one's first name if it was mentioned on this site would be appropriate.
And the 'culturally relevant' clause in the PI rule could be used as a basis for arguing for some of the types of pictures lanny is mentioning like pictures circulated around zoklet (IE the collage). The collages should just be allowed on the principle that those pictures were user submissions. Though, consulting a mod before PI posting could be a way to avoid petty disagreements about PI.

Honestly I think all of lanny's huff n puff could just be solved if the PI in question be mod consulted/approved.

As far as HB is concerned, I say just let that stick to the original &T HB spirit. But keep it to just HB. If you just let them be and do their own thing, they generally are harmless.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on October 29, 2014, 05:25:53 am
I agree about Half Baked.  HB should be like the "anything goes*" forum.

*no cp and other obvious stuff
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Prometheus on October 29, 2014, 05:53:46 am
As far as PI, I really don't care. Though personally I think things like one's first name if it was mentioned on this site would be appropriate.
And the 'culturally relevant' clause in the PI rule could be used as a basis for arguing for some of the types of pictures lanny is mentioning like pictures circulated around zoklet (IE the collage). The collages should just be allowed on the principle that those pictures were user submissions. Though, consulting a mod before PI posting could be a way to avoid petty disagreements about PI.
Seconded. The collages were voluntarily submitted content, weren't they? Sounds like fair game to me.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 29, 2014, 07:07:04 pm
Seconded. The collages were voluntarily submitted content, weren't they? Sounds like fair game to me.

If we allow the collages though, we have to allow other culturally relevant PI. And that can be exploited by users to upload any PI of users on Zoklet and claim that the PI was already uploaded there and was culturally relevant without the actual site to verify such claims.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Obbe on October 29, 2014, 07:27:05 pm
Is this PI?

(http://i.imgur.com/hfAhxoL.png)
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 29, 2014, 07:48:48 pm
Is this PI?

(http://i.imgur.com/hfAhxoL.png)

Not at the moment...
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: LSD on October 29, 2014, 07:50:07 pm
Is this PI?

[Img]http://i.imgur.com/hfAhxoL.png[/img]

Not at the moment...

But now it is
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Obbe on October 29, 2014, 07:52:16 pm
Is this PI?

(http://i.imgur.com/hfAhxoL.png)

Not at the moment...

But now it is

How?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 29, 2014, 07:54:34 pm
Is this PI?

(http://i.imgur.com/hfAhxoL.png)

Not at the moment...

But now it is

How?

Because the rule only prohibits PI of people who are members here. Now that LSD has an account it becomes a violation of the rules because he didn't post it here.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on October 29, 2014, 07:56:05 pm
Because the rule only prohibits PI of people who are members here. Now that LSD has an account it becomes a violation of the rules because he didn't post it here.

A drawing of a picture of someone is PI now? 
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Obbe on October 29, 2014, 07:58:17 pm
Is this PI?

(http://i.imgur.com/hfAhxoL.png)

Not at the moment...

But now it is

How?

Because the rule only prohibits PI of people who are members here. Now that LSD has an account it becomes a violation of the rules because he didn't post it here.

How do we confirm that this drawing is a drawing of lsd and not just a drawing that happens to somewhat resemble lsd?

How do we confirm that lsd is actually a member here and not someone pretending to be lsd?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 29, 2014, 08:16:04 pm
How do we confirm that this drawing is a drawing of lsd and not just a drawing that happens to somewhat resemble lsd?

How do we confirm that lsd is actually a member here and not someone pretending to be lsd?

I don't know but I'm told by Arnox that the rule is really quite clear cut
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: theKit on October 29, 2014, 09:18:10 pm
Can we discuss the avatar issue? I'm not a fan of anuses and gore.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: 10 gun salute on October 29, 2014, 09:20:47 pm
testing PI rule to see if it was constructed by someone with an IQ greater than the circumference of his magical underpants in inches:

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Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on October 29, 2014, 09:25:51 pm
Can we discuss the avatar issue? I'm not a fan of anuses and gore.

Yeah.  I kinda don't like the gore and hardcore porn in avatars, too.  Sometimes I browse this place at cafes and I'm afraid one day you guys are gonna get me kicked out somehow.

Would it be reasonable to require just avatars to be PG-13?  Because they're in every single post you make, instead of in specific threads or what have you.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 29, 2014, 09:27:34 pm
I don't know but I'm told by Arnox that the rule is really quite clear cut

It is. If it's PI, LSD needs to PM a member of staff and verify that this is actually him before we proceed to ban and remove anything.

BTW, if you guys have AdBlock (you should), you can get rid of the pics very easily by right-clicking the picture in question and selecting "Block Element."
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: mmmmmmmQuestions on October 29, 2014, 09:33:56 pm
stfu pg-13 avatars
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 29, 2014, 09:52:12 pm

Arnox.. like I said before, all you have to do is make it NO PERSONAL INFO... PERIOD, even if the poster is posting their own name, address, SSN, whatever is identifying information. Problem solved! The BBS doesn't need any of the kidiots' PI bullshit at all. What does a BBS based on knowledge is power have to do with the retarded kidiots' little PI games and PI posting concerns? Nothing.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Obbe on October 29, 2014, 10:03:01 pm
I don't know but I'm told by Arnox that the rule is really quite clear cut

It is. If it's PI, LSD needs to PM a member of staff and verify that this is actually him before we proceed to ban and remove anything.

BTW, if you guys have AdBlock (you should), you can get rid of the pics very easily by right-clicking the picture in question and selecting "Block Element."

That's not a picture of LSD.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on October 29, 2014, 10:06:27 pm
Your work of art that is in no way related to a poster here has one hellacious neckbeard, Obbe.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on October 29, 2014, 10:32:18 pm
It is. If it's PI, LSD needs to PM a member of staff and verify that this is actually him before we proceed to ban and remove anything.

a fucking line drawing, not a photo, is now considered PI.  between that faggotry, and this faggotry, I say fuck this fucking place:

Would it be reasonable to require just avatars to be PG-13?  Because they're in every single post you make, instead of in specific threads or what have you.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 29, 2014, 10:36:49 pm
Arnox.. like I said before, all you have to do is make it NO PERSONAL INFO... PERIOD, even if the poster is posting their own name, address, SSN, whatever is identifying information. Problem solved! The BBS doesn't need any of the kidiots' PI bullshit at all. What does a BBS based on knowledge is power have to do with the retarded kidiots' little PI games and PI posting concerns? Nothing.

I don't think we need to go that far.

a fucking line drawing

If it's accurate enough/shows distinctive IRL characteristics about that person then yes, it is PI.

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anything that can be used to identify a user or their family members IRL.

Again though, the user reporting PI needs to verify that those are in fact identifying to him/her before we do anything.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on October 29, 2014, 10:40:27 pm
In six months, this place will be a ghost town just like it was when we got here.  Have fun with your dwindling userbase and senseless, arbitrary, utterly unenforceable rules.....
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 29, 2014, 10:40:43 pm
Arnox.. like I said before, all you have to do is make it NO PERSONAL INFO... PERIOD, even if the poster is posting their own name, address, SSN, whatever is identifying information. Problem solved! The BBS doesn't need any of the kidiots' PI bullshit at all. What does a BBS based on knowledge is power have to do with the retarded kidiots' little PI games and PI posting concerns? Nothing.

I don't think we need to go that far.

Yes, you do. That's the way it was on &Totse for years and it worked perfectly. It made things ever so much simpler as well. Nobody should be able to post any PI at all, even their own, even if it was posted elsewhere, even if they're just saying it's PI. The way you're headed on the issue right now, the kidiots will tear you to pieces with tests and loopholes and God knows what else.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: mmmmmmmQuestions on October 29, 2014, 10:41:51 pm
mike, wherever you go, I will follow, much as the winds follow the air currents of time, and such
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 29, 2014, 10:46:20 pm
In six months, this place will be a ghost town just like it was when we got here.  Have fun with your dwindling userbase and senseless, arbitrary, utterly unenforceable rules.....

(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/14/26/98/51/leavin11.jpg)
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on October 29, 2014, 10:51:52 pm
It is. If it's PI, LSD needs to PM a member of staff and verify that this is actually him before we proceed to ban and remove anything.

a fucking line drawing, not a photo, is now considered PI.  between that faggotry, and this faggotry, I say fuck this fucking place:

Would it be reasonable to require just avatars to be PG-13?  Because they're in every single post you make, instead of in specific threads or what have you.

Whoa don't leave us cats.  I really like having you around.  The avatar thing was just something I brought up for us to discuss, and it sounded like Arnox told us to use adblock.  The PI rules don't even really affect most of us.  Please stop looking for reasons to leave and just continue hanging out with us.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 29, 2014, 10:52:54 pm
It is. If it's PI, LSD needs to PM a member of staff and verify that this is actually him before we proceed to ban and remove anything.

What's involved in the verification process? What qualifies as verification?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 29, 2014, 10:57:34 pm
What's involved in the verification process? What qualifies as verification?

Depends on what kind of PI it is really but for example, if it was a picture of that person then the user would have to give us a picture of him/her with "sanctuary" written on a slip of paper. That sort of thing.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 29, 2014, 10:58:46 pm
What's involved in the verification process? What qualifies as verification?

Depends on what kind of PI it is really but for example, if it was a picture of that person then the user would have to give us a picture of him/her with "sanctuary" written on a slip of paper. That sort of thing.

So what about a name? Would they actually have to present ID or something along with the site name?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 29, 2014, 10:59:32 pm
and it sounded like Arnox told us to use adblock.

Actually I just recommended it but if someone feels that doesn't work then we can still talk about it.

So what about a name? Would they actually have to present ID or something along with the site name?

Their Facebook page with something on it to verify it's actually their page would do.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 29, 2014, 11:01:24 pm

So what about a name? Would they actually have to present ID or something along with the site name?

What don't you get about they would need to prove who they are one way or the other?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 29, 2014, 11:03:21 pm
Hey spectral, do you use facebook?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 29, 2014, 11:05:28 pm
Hey spectral, do you use facebook?

Lanny, the logic is, if we can't verify the person's PI even with their cooperation then others can't either.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Spectre on October 29, 2014, 11:08:15 pm
Hey spectral, do you use facebook?

Lanny, the logic is, if we can't verify the person's PI even with their cooperation then others can't either.

that's ridiculous just make it no PI period like spectral said or drop it because as it is it's already a round robin of nonsense which is exactly what lanny is trying to prove and doing a good job of it



In six months, this place will be a ghost town just like it was when we got here.  Have fun with your dwindling userbase and senseless, arbitrary, utterly unenforceable rules.....

(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/14/26/98/51/leavin11.jpg)

^biting professionalism
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 29, 2014, 11:12:06 pm
Well I'm curious because people have been banned over spectral's fake (although someone obviously thought it was real) PI right? And supposedly he would have verified if the bans happened, so I'm wondering how he did it. I'd be surprised if he had a facebook account, and I'd be really skeptical if he sent you a picture of his drivers license or something. So I'm wondering how he convinced the staff. You obviously don't have to answer if you don't want to, I'm just curious.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 29, 2014, 11:18:23 pm

I used a remote Vulcan mind meld with Arnox. We were One... until the connection was severed by a hard slap from a wild-eyed Doctor McCoy. But the true answer is, you don't need to know shit.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: aldra on October 29, 2014, 11:23:22 pm
Can we discuss the avatar issue? I'm not a fan of anuses and gore.

Yeah.  I kinda don't like the gore and hardcore porn in avatars, too.  Sometimes I browse this place at cafes and I'm afraid one day you guys are gonna get me kicked out somehow.

Would it be reasonable to require just avatars to be PG-13?  Because they're in every single post you make, instead of in specific threads or what have you.


I just disabled avatars; there will be too many tears if you try to restrict them based on content
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 29, 2014, 11:23:55 pm
What do you have to hide spectral?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 29, 2014, 11:25:38 pm
What do you have to hide spectral?

I come from an age of anonymity. All this touchy-feelie personal information stuff is like Chinese to me.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 29, 2014, 11:35:04 pm
Or you're terrified of us all finding something out about you
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Obbe on October 29, 2014, 11:35:31 pm
Arnox.. like I said before, all you have to do is make it NO PERSONAL INFO... PERIOD, even if the poster is posting their own name, address, SSN, whatever is identifying information. Problem solved! The BBS doesn't need any of the kidiots' PI bullshit at all. What does a BBS based on knowledge is power have to do with the retarded kidiots' little PI games and PI posting concerns? Nothing.

I don't think we need to go that far.

a fucking line drawing

If it's accurate enough/shows distinctive IRL characteristics about that person then yes, it is PI.

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anything that can be used to identify a user or their family members IRL.

Again though, the user reporting PI needs to verify that those are in fact identifying to him/her before we do anything.

That drawing is not a drawing of any IS member.  Maybe it happens to resemble someone, coincidentally,  but I assure you it isn't a drawing of anyone in particular.

Here's what I'm curious about: what is stopping anyone from claiming it to be a drawing of them?  Couldn't anyone here claim that drawing is their "PI"?  What if more than one person claims to be the person in the drawing?  Who do you believe?   How do you verify their claims?  Are you going to ban someone for drawing a picture that may coincidentally happen to resemble someone else?

And how is a drawing that coincidentally resembles someone personal information?   What could someone possibly do with this drawing?   If nobody were to claim to be the person in the drawing, nobody would ever connect the drawing to them in the first place.

If I type the name "john smith" that's possibly someone's PI.   But so what?  If nnobody here admits to being john smith, no one would know who they are.  If we all stay anonymous doesn't PI become moot?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: mmmmmmmQuestions on October 29, 2014, 11:42:38 pm
I just have some PI I need to get rid of. Thanks.

Name: Carl Sherwood
Address: 1782 E. Oxford Ave.  Brookville, TN 29382
Phone: 283-720-3287
SS #: 495-14-8228
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 205
Race: Hispanic
DOB: 3/20/1988
Best finish in Special Olympics: 3rd runner up
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on October 29, 2014, 11:45:48 pm
Or you're terrified of us all finding something out about you

And that.. errrr.. excites you?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: aldra on October 29, 2014, 11:45:56 pm
I just have some PI I need to get rid of. Thanks.

Name: Carl Sherwood
Address: 1782 E. Oxford Ave.  Brookville, TN 29382
Phone: 283-720-3287
SS #: 495-14-8228
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 205
Race: Hispanic
DOB: 3/20/1988
Best finish in Special Olympics: 3rd runner up


hey where'd you get that
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Umbrella Corp on October 30, 2014, 12:20:27 am
Can we discuss the avatar issue? I'm not a fan of anuses and gore.
Don't be a little bitch.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 30, 2014, 12:39:16 am
Arnox.. like I said before, all you have to do is make it NO PERSONAL INFO... PERIOD, even if the poster is posting their own name, address, SSN, whatever is identifying information. Problem solved! The BBS doesn't need any of the kidiots' PI bullshit at all. What does a BBS based on knowledge is power have to do with the retarded kidiots' little PI games and PI posting concerns? Nothing.

I don't think we need to go that far.

a fucking line drawing

If it's accurate enough/shows distinctive IRL characteristics about that person then yes, it is PI.

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anything that can be used to identify a user or their family members IRL.

Again though, the user reporting PI needs to verify that those are in fact identifying to him/her before we do anything.

That drawing is not a drawing of any IS member.  Maybe it happens to resemble someone, coincidentally,  but I assure you it isn't a drawing of anyone in particular.

Here's what I'm curious about: what is stopping anyone from claiming it to be a drawing of them?  Couldn't anyone here claim that drawing is their "PI"?  What if more than one person claims to be the person in the drawing?  Who do you believe?   How do you verify their claims?  Are you going to ban someone for drawing a picture that may coincidentally happen to resemble someone else?

And how is a drawing that coincidentally resembles someone personal information?   What could someone possibly do with this drawing?   If nobody were to claim to be the person in the drawing, nobody would ever connect the drawing to them in the first place.

If I type the name "john smith" that's possibly someone's PI.   But so what?  If nnobody here admits to being john smith, no one would know who they are.  If we all stay anonymous doesn't PI become moot?

Look at post #135 for an example of verification. As to drawn pictures, it will be left to the staff to decide if something is PI or not and whether the verification is legit. Everything on a case-by-case basis.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Prometheus on October 30, 2014, 12:41:06 am
In a perfect world, I'd like a way to just turn off avatars on a case by case basis from within the site. I say this knowing it's an unrealistic expectation.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: aldra on October 30, 2014, 12:50:27 am
In a perfect world, I'd like a way to just turn off avatars on a case by case basis from within the site. I say this knowing it's an unrealistic expectation.

you can use adblock for that, or if you use opera as a browser just right-click > block content
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Prometheus on October 30, 2014, 12:55:24 am
Oh, I know that. I meant it on behalf of people who may be using public computers. Not much bothers me personally, and I always sit with my back against a wall while in public.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: aldra on October 30, 2014, 12:59:59 am
fair enough. it'd be difficult to implement though, and it'd put a little more strain on the database for such little benefit... especially considering you can just disable avatars, signatures and the like from your control panel. I have all that disabled partially because I log in here from work, and partially because signatures are for hardcore faggots
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 30, 2014, 01:05:36 am
fair enough. it'd be difficult to implement though, and it'd put a little more strain on the database for such little benefit... especially considering you can just disable avatars, signatures and the like from your control panel. I have all that disabled partially because I log in here from work, and partially because signatures are for hardcore faggots

qft
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Prometheus on October 30, 2014, 01:20:52 am
See above about "perfect world", and "unrealistic expectation".
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: aldra on October 30, 2014, 01:52:03 am
yeah, I was offering a more realistic solution to attempt to elevate that post from 'daydreaming'
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on October 30, 2014, 02:00:24 am
A little off topic, but why would anyone even want an avatar of gore or hardcore porn?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on October 30, 2014, 02:06:21 am
9 pages later, and Lanny is still going strong whining about wanting his candy bar. :facepalm:

And for small rest of you that also decided to rules lawyer and pick apart absurd loopholes....exactly WHAT the fuck is wrong with you? "What about this scenario?", "what about that drawing". "But we like picture collages, they are funnnnnnnn"....as if this is some middle school yearbook needing to see what each other look like.

I got a great idea, although I know it will never be implemented and half the userbase would leave out of butthurt. How about not posting ANY pictures of any sort, unless it has some TOPICAL PURPOSE to a discussion. Wanna show a pic or schematic of that engine manifold you are working on, fine. A closeup of that boil on your ass, to try to figure out what it is, sure. But throwing around pics and video of yourselves is asinine, this isn't Fakebook...nobody with any sense wants to see some pimply faced derelict that hasn't stepped away from the computer for 6 months.

There isn't one person that was attracted to Totse or similar forums and started hanging out/posting because of  picture posting. Or memes. Or other childish bullshit. The whole PURPOSE to Totse was the *gasp* text files, and similar discussion about controversial topics. Period. All this fluff, bells, whistles, pics and videos just further dumbs down those discussions....and idiotic fools turn the petty ponderous nonsense into controversies like above.

Funny how everyone thought the "older" Totse was better, was more mature, was more "informational"...and why is that? Its because it was ALL based on bellying up to the keyboard and using text share information/entertain each other, and now there is a huge niches of juvenile idiots that want to do anything BUT type out some original thought provoking ideas. Instead they want to play the fool, post pics, videos, smilies and other irrelevant bullshit that only lessens the experience. There WAS a day not that long ago where there were no avatars, no signatures, no cutesy user titles....none of that crap. And its a HUGE reason why those days the entire forum experience was "better".

Honestly a whole lot of you are bitching and whining and carrying on about the most insignificant nonsense possible. Boohoo, you aren't allowed to maliciously fuck with people's lives...whatever WILL you do? Its like you are sitting at a luxurious feast, and you are crying because you don't like the centerpiece in the middle of the table. Just shut the fuck up already.

Finally, when the fuck is Zek going to be demodded already? He didn't post at all yesterday, and the place had a completely different "unfagged" vibe to it. Now that he's back, it leaves such an awkward taste in a lot of people's mouths. Just demote the toxic fuckup already so anyone new coming here doesn't get a completely absurd and embarrassing impression to what this place is supposed to stand for.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 30, 2014, 02:37:36 am
Dear Daguru, I'm writing to inform you that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote and that all your efforts in crafting that post are for naught. It pleases me to note, however, that you've been so enraged by my actions as to waste your decidedly finite time on this earth in posting nonsense and rants no one is ever going to read. Carry on good chap, and suck my dick.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: aldra on October 30, 2014, 02:56:52 am
Dead Daguru, I'm writing to inform you that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote and that all your efforts in crafting that post are for naught. It pleases me to note, however, that you've been so enraged by my actions as to waste your decidedly finite time on this earth in posting nonsense and rants no one is ever going to read. Carry on good chap, and suck my dick. c===8
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: fanglekai on October 30, 2014, 03:04:41 am
it's sad lanny can't stop crying
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: stdio.h on October 30, 2014, 03:49:26 am
Dead Daguru, I'm writing to inform you that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote and that all your efforts in crafting that post are for naught. It pleases me to note, however, that you've been so enraged by my actions as to waste your decidedly finite time on this earth in posting nonsense and rants no one is ever going to read. Carry on good chap, and suck my dick. c===8

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on October 30, 2014, 09:58:35 am
fair enough. it'd be difficult to implement though, and it'd put a little more strain on the database for such little benefit... especially considering you can just disable avatars, signatures and the like from your control panel. I have all that disabled partially because I log in here from work, and partially because signatures are for hardcore faggots

qft

Dear Daguru, I'm writing to inform you that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote and that all your efforts in crafting that post are for naught. It pleases me to note, however, that you've been so enraged by my actions as to waste your decidedly finite time on this earth in posting nonsense and rants no one is ever going to read. Carry on good chap, and suck my dick.

It's contrary that someone who thinks signatures are for "hardcore faggots" has a signature shitpost.

Unless in your case there's no contradiction.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: splooge gook on October 30, 2014, 10:36:35 am
tl;dr
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on October 30, 2014, 04:27:32 pm
It's contrary that someone who thinks signatures are for "hardcore faggots" has a signature shitpost.

Unless in your case there's no contradiction.

I didn't really think of it as my own, anyone is free to shitpost similarly. I'm flattered you associate it with me however.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Umbrella Corp on October 30, 2014, 05:17:11 pm
Wahhh rules r hard :(
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: RisiR on October 31, 2014, 02:14:01 pm
Quote
if we think you are just bringing the site down, you may be banned for a long time or permabanned.
I don't have words for you left but I want you to know that everything you are disgusts me and I hope you die.

Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 31, 2014, 03:00:08 pm
I don't have words for you left but I want you to know that everything you are disgusts me and I hope you die.

Ah, RisiR. Late is the hour in which you have chosen appear.

That part in the rules has already been decided to be taken out.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: RisiR on October 31, 2014, 03:02:37 pm
That's a pleasant surprise.  :tup:
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on October 31, 2014, 04:43:11 pm
Rule #8: no niggers allowed

Make it happen
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 31, 2014, 05:05:10 pm
Rule #8: no niggers allowed

Make it happen

How about, "No Infinityshock allowed."
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on October 31, 2014, 05:06:34 pm
Rule #8: no niggers allowed

Make it happen

How about, "No Infinityshock allowed."

That makes no sense
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on October 31, 2014, 05:17:23 pm
That makes no sense

Exactly.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Spectre on October 31, 2014, 05:20:24 pm
That makes no sense

Exactly.

TBF Finny's rule does make sense in this context as blacks have been statistically more likely to commit violent crimes than Infinityshocks are 
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on November 01, 2014, 03:37:55 am
Arnox....at this point you absolutely need to rewrite the mission statement. Because nowadays this has ZERO relevance or truth to it....

To establish a fully versatile forum where most anything can be discussed and said, provided it doesn't violate any of the seven deadly sins of Sanctuary. It doesn't matter if you like music, it doesn't matter if you like demolitions, it doesn't matter if you like games, doesn't matter if you like sports or swearing or drugs or even pirating. This forum has what you need. So welcome to raw information, welcome to freedom of speech.

Because now that you've set THIS precedent......



Actually, what it originally started with is equanimity stating (correctly) that most people would probably never need to use that information. That was about it. Then you guys (the superior self-proclaimed master-race users) wouldn't let that go. For several pages.

So who REALLY wrecked that thread?



http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3993.new#new

You need to change the wording to...."You can freely talk about any subject matter here. Unless Zek/Equanimity doesn't find the particular topic or subject matter useful, then its just his personal toilet to troll and derail no matter what everyone else thinks."
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 01, 2014, 04:57:07 am
fuckyoudapedo,occupiedwithreligiousproblems.Inadditiontonumerouspamphletsandplays,hewroteIVhatisArt?(1896),inwhichheexplainedhisnewaesthetictheories,andHadji-Murad,(1904),whichbecamethefavoriteworkofhisoldage.Althoughhisactivitieswerelookeduponwithincreasingsuspicionbytheofficial
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on November 01, 2014, 09:48:55 am
It's contrary that someone who thinks signatures are for "hardcore faggots" has a signature shitpost.

Unless in your case there's no contradiction.

I didn't really think of it as my own, anyone is free to shitpost similarly. I'm flattered you associate it with me however.

Look, I'll even make it easy for you:

http://fuckyoudaguru.neocities.org/

I find it strange anyone would be flattered to have a particular style of shitposting associated with them. That you're also giving instruction on how to shitpost in your style is somewhat depressing. Maybe you should consider a trademark of some kind.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on November 01, 2014, 12:05:44 pm
That makes no sense

Exactly.

TBF Finny's rule does make sense in this context as blacks have been statistically more likely to commit violent crimes than Infinityshocks are

That

Ban niggers. Do it for the children
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on November 01, 2014, 12:06:47 pm
That makes no sense

Exactly.

Youre intentionally making posts that make no sense

Thats spam

Ban yourself
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 01, 2014, 05:39:56 pm
 
I find it strange anyone would be flattered to have a particular style of shitposting associated with them. That you're also giving instruction on how to shitpost in your style is somewhat depressing. Maybe you should consider a trademark of some kind.

Shitposting is like any other sort of art, it can be good or bad and its artistic value is quite independent of its other qualities. Just like lo-fi is a legitimate musical form founded on what has historically been considered poor recording conditions shitposting sets itself apart by rejection of traditional notions of post quality, using general inanity to make a statement.

I have no intention to pursue a trademark, firstly because in the US I'd have to have used this style of shitposting in a commercial capacity to be awarded a trademark. But more generally I'm ideologically opposed to most forms of intellectual property, including trademark.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on November 01, 2014, 05:44:51 pm
I find it strange anyone would be flattered to have a particular style of shitposting associated with them. That you're also giving instruction on how to shitpost in your style is somewhat depressing. Maybe you should consider a trademark of some kind.

Shitposting is like any other sort of art, it can be good or bad and its artistic value is quite independent of its other qualities. Just like lo-fi is a legitimate musical form founded on what has historically been considered poor recording conditions shitposting sets itself apart by rejection of traditional notions of post quality, using general inanity to make a statement.

I have no intention to pursue a trademark, firstly because in the US I'd have to have used this style of shitposting in a commercial capacity to be awarded a trademark. But more generally I'm ideologically opposed to most forms of intellectual property, including trademark.

Shitposting is, by definition, not an artform.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: RisiR on November 01, 2014, 05:47:11 pm
I honestly still don't know what exactly a shitpost is.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on November 01, 2014, 05:55:36 pm
I honestly still don't know what exactly a shitpost is.

Contentless drivel that adds nothing to a discussion. Lanny's shitposts are exceptional only because of their distinctive visual effect, i.e. they can't be read beyond the first few words, which adds a layer of trolling to his shitposts; you are drawn into quoting his post because that's the only way you can fully read it.

Then you wish you hadn't bothered.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: RisiR on November 01, 2014, 06:00:17 pm
I honestly still don't know what exactly a shitpost is.

Contentless drivel that adds nothing to a discussion. Lanny's shitposts are exceptional only because of their distinctive visual effect, i.e. they can't be read beyond the first few words, which adds a layer of trolling to his shitposts; you are drawn into quoting his post because that's the only way you can fully read it.

Then you wish you hadn't bothered.
I was just like "Yea, that looks weird" and carried on whenever he posted stuff like that.

I guess I'm a first class shitposter then?


EDIT: Just remembered that you gave me like half the score of Zek on your shitposter equation, lol. Fuck you.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on November 01, 2014, 06:02:25 pm
I honestly still don't know what exactly a shitpost is.

Contentless drivel that adds nothing to a discussion. Lanny's shitposts are exceptional only because of their distinctive visual effect, i.e. they can't be read beyond the first few words, which adds a layer of trolling to his shitposts; you are drawn into quoting his post because that's the only way you can fully read it.

Then you wish you hadn't bothered.
I was just like "Yea, that looks weird" and carried on whenever he posted stuff like that.

I guess I'm a first class shitposter then?


EDIT: Just remembered that you gave me like half the score of Zek on your shitposter equation, lol. Fuck you.

Lol you're below average ;)
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: mizled on November 01, 2014, 06:04:52 pm
I honestly still don't know what exactly a shitpost is.

Any post regarding the Aristocrats.
Example:

A family walks into a talent agency. It's a father, mother, son, daughter and dog. The father says to the talent agent, "We have a really amazing act. You should represent us."

The agent says, "Sorry, I don't represent family acts. They're a little too cute."

The mother says, "Sir, if you just see our act, we know you would want to represent us."

The agent says, "OK. OK. I'll take a look."

"Well first, I walk out wearing a tuxedo, playing Brahms. Just as the music peaks, my wife in an evening gown runs on stage and undresses me before stripping on top of the piano.

Just as I finish playing the song with my cock, my wife does a backflip off the piano, landing in a split on stage. Once her naked ass hits the floor, my 7 year old daughter and 13 year old son rush on stage juggling flaming lawn darts. My wife does a handstand and catches the lawn darts in her twat, she then manages to queef them out, making her the third part of this juggling act.

The queefs force her to squeeze out a few turds, which I eagerly start smearing on my naked body, which arouses me quickly. Once I'm fully aroused my daughter and son take turns blowing me while my wife straps on a monstrous dildo and begins reaming each child while i ejaculate in the eyes of my offspring.

Once I cum, I run into the audience, shit-covered body still sticky with cum and grab my parents and in-laws to involve them into the act. I strip them all nude and instruct them to start a circle jerk while screaming racial slurs. So my mother and father-in-law start screaming, "Fuck the niggers" while mutually masturbating, and my father and mother-in-law begin diddling one another and chanting, "I hate spics and jews!" Once they reach a geriatric climax, my wife uses their ejaculate to lube up her fist which she uses to start fisting me.

As my asshole is violated, I start playing double dutch with my kids, and once they get tangled in the ropes, start a torrid 69. All the sucking and slurping cause my in-laws and parents to get aroused again and they start sodomizing and fisting one another.

My wife at this point has completely started dry-heaving, so she vomits all over my ass and my back. I line up each of my family members who take turns licking the chunks of spew off my back and out of my ass.

By now my children have to defecate so I tell them to shit in each other's favorite orifices. My son, ever the trooper takes a thick, dense shit in his sister's vagina while my daughter shits in my son's nose.

My young daughter also conveniently starts her menstrual cycle shortly thereafter, and the menses and boy-shit in her cunt make for great lube, as each of my in-laws begin fucking my daughter. My son, blinded in shit, heads back to the piano and does his best Stevie Wonder impression while my wife runs back into the audience to grab a toddler from the crowd.

She begins stuffing this child into her vagina, while my parents begin screaming how she's possessed by Satan and start performing a nude exorcism on her. The power of christ compels them to kill the toddler, which also makes it easier to cram into my wife's lovehole.

By now, I'm so horny and aroused that I start fucking the dead baby inside my wife while my young son starts licking my asshole and fingering his paternal grandparents. My in-laws finish abusing my daughter and start wrestling each other, which culminates in a huge powerbomb through the piano bench. The impact shatters my mother-in-law's hips, leaving her crippled.

The strain of the throw caused my father's bad heart to seize, and he collapses in a heap on the stage. As he gurgles and foams at the mouth, my daughter runs over and begins rubbing her shit covered pussy lips all over my crippled mother-in-law.

My wife grabs the wooden shards of the piano bench and begins playing her father's dying body like a xylophone. My son pulls his tongue out of my asshole and begins sucking his dying grandfather's cock.

I diall 911 and call for the paramedics who revive my father-in-law and then take turns fucking my daughter and eating the menses and shit out of her tight cunt.

Once he's conscious we all assemble in a large circle holding hands and chanting gibberish before launching into a rousing group impression of 'A Downs Syndrome' perspective on the horrors of the holocaust, 9/11 and the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

As we're moaning and screaming, my son runs off-stage to get the family dog. The dog runs over to my crippled mother-in-law and begins peeing on her. Once the dog finishes leaving her in a puddle of piss, my daughter stops blowing the paramedics to light the dog on fire.

The dog yelps and howls before collapsing. My son runs over to fuck the burnt corpse while screaming, "White is right!"as my daughter begins goose-stepping around the stage, squeezing shit out of her cunt and offering Nazi salutes to the audience.

My father-in-law begins raping my father, claiming that he's doing it for the forgotten Vietnam vets and POWs. My mother puts my crippled mother-in-law on her shoulders as I put my wife on my shoulders and we play a game of naked chicken.

Once my son finishes fucking the dead dog. He takes the pieces of the piano bench and begins crucifying the corpse. Once the dog is hung like jesus, he begins weeping at the foot of the cross, saying, "Why my goddog have you forsaken me?"

My daughter mounts the top of the crucifix, using it as a wooden dildo. My parents, my in-laws and my wife join hands at the center of the stage and start singing "The Hills Are Alive With The Sound Of Music"

I grab the lawn darts and shove one up everyone's ass before heading back to the piano to finish off the show with a rendition of Bel Air, so I whistled for a cab and when it came near The license plate said fresh and had a dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare. But I thought, nah forget it, yo home to Bel Air

I pulled up to the house about seven or eight and I yelled to the cabby, "Yo homes, smell you later"
Looked at my kingdom, I was finally there, to sit on my throne as the prince of Bel Air

For the longest time, the agent just sits in silence. Finally, he manages, "That's a hell of an act. What do you call it?"

We all reply, with well deserved pride - "The Aristocrats!"
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: RisiR on November 01, 2014, 06:08:57 pm
Hey Mizled, let's fuck.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on November 01, 2014, 06:22:47 pm
Lol you're below average ;)

So are you, for a moderator.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: RisiR on November 01, 2014, 06:28:50 pm
Lol you're below average ;)

So are you, for a moderator.
That was a double diss.  :'(
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on November 01, 2014, 06:45:01 pm
Lol you're below average ;)

So are you, for a moderator.
That was a double diss.  :'(

I wasn't referring to any points system. I don't need a calculator to see Zek's inane, attention seeking, frequently off-topic, post style is not appropriate for a hand picked mod.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: RisiR on November 01, 2014, 06:52:14 pm
You should double my score because I'm German and English is not my first language therefor the effort I put into posting is considerably higher than if I was a native speaker. Just sayn'.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 01, 2014, 07:27:01 pm
I think you should just give me the max score right now because, hey, I'm the best.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: RisiR on November 01, 2014, 07:33:36 pm
I think you should just give me the max score right now because, hey, I'm the best.
Uhhh.. I don't know. I'm pretty sure 9 from 10 scientists agree that I'm the GOAT.  :suspect:
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Umbrella Corp on November 01, 2014, 07:39:24 pm
More like the GOATSE
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on November 03, 2014, 06:36:45 am
Alright guys, this is last call. Here's the final draft of the rules. Is there anything else anyone wants to discuss with them?

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The Seven Deadly Sins of Sanctuary:
You will be automatically banned and, if applicable, the offending posts will be removed for the following.

1. Flooding, a form of spam, which is posting the same images and/or text repeatedly. It can also include posting incredibly long posts without any substantial content.
2. Child porn, (CP) which can be defined as images, videos, or links to such of anyone nude and under the age of 18, no matter what the context and sexually suggestive images, videos or links to such of anyone under the age of 18 with partial clothing. (Bikinis, etc.)
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You may be warned for the following:
- Blatantly derailing a thread and going completely against the conversation flow or derailing with the purpose of harassing another user.
- Bumping a thread that is old unless you legitimately have something to add or contribute.
- Completely illegible or incoherent posts or threads.
- Making phony post reports.

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- If you repeatedly violate a rule you may be banned for a long time or permabanned.

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Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: 1337 on November 03, 2014, 06:42:09 am
http://meansheets.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/nirvana-nevermind-album-cover-lp-cd.jpg

You gonna ban me? COME AT ME BRO.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: stdio.h on November 03, 2014, 06:55:53 am
Almost all of that is draconian and Arnox should be stripped, raped and strangled.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on November 03, 2014, 07:57:47 am
Almost all of that is draconian and Arnox should be stripped, raped and strangled.

Mhm. And what do you propose for the rules?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: BITCH TITZ on November 03, 2014, 08:25:04 am
Almost all of that is draconian and Arnox should be stripped, raped and strangled.

Mhm. And what do you propose for the rules?

Are you really a practicing Mormon? If so, no one should ever post on this site again.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on November 03, 2014, 09:17:36 am
To be clear, are these bits:

You may be warned for the following:
- Blatantly derailing a thread and going completely against the conversation flow or derailing with the purpose of harassing another user.
- Bumping a thread that is old unless you legitimately have something to add or contribute.
- Completely illegible or incoherent posts or threads.
- Making phony post reports.

strictly handled with warnings, and never bans?  I would prefer if we didn't ban for "innocent" derailing (people just messing around), necrobumping (except in cases of spam obv), or making false post reports.  On the other hand, harassment and making illegible posts seem to be more serious offenses and it'd make sense if we could ban in those cases.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: BallsDeep69 on November 03, 2014, 09:30:52 am
To be clear, are these bits:

You may be warned for the following:
- Blatantly derailing a thread and going completely against the conversation flow or derailing with the purpose of harassing another user.
- Bumping a thread that is old unless you legitimately have something to add or contribute.
- Completely illegible or incoherent posts or threads.
- Making phony post reports.

strictly handled with warnings, and never bans?  I would prefer if we didn't ban for "innocent" derailing (people just messing around), necrobumping (except in cases of spam obv), or making false post reports.  On the other hand, harassment and making illegible posts seem to be more serious offenses and it'd make sense if we could ban in those cases.
The following users say "It's so good to hear it!" BallsDeep69
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on November 03, 2014, 11:58:08 am
  I would prefer if we didn't ban for "innocent" derailing (people just messing around), necrobumping (except in cases of spam obv), or making false post reports.  On the other hand, harassment and making illegible posts seem to be more serious offenses and it'd make sense if we could ban in those cases.

No, and this is why you are unfit to be a moderator and don't belong here in general. "People just messing around" IS the textbook definition of trolling/derailing, and its what makes the threads irrelevant and eventually chases people away that DO come here for some sense of adult and controversial discussion. You wanna "just mess around"? Go post in HB. Go post in NIMF. Better yet, go find another forum completely, because again YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE if you can't understand most people want to have quality discussion without your constant trolling and interference.

Funny how you call all the other derailing as "innocent".....but then the stuff you want to infract for (flaming) you use the overly dramatic victimization verbiage of "harrassement". You are backwards and confused. On here and IRL. Go away, because until you do....this forum will continue to spiral into obscurity. No matter how much Arnox protects you and ignores the obvious.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Spectre on November 03, 2014, 01:18:01 pm
  I would prefer if we didn't ban for "innocent" derailing (people just messing around), necrobumping (except in cases of spam obv), or making false post reports.  On the other hand, harassment and making illegible posts seem to be more serious offenses and it'd make sense if we could ban in those cases.

No, and this is why you are unfit to be a moderator and don't belong here in general. "People just messing around" IS the textbook definition of trolling/derailing, and its what makes the threads irrelevant and eventually chases people away that DO come here for some sense of adult and controversial discussion. You wanna "just mess around"? Go post in HB. Go post in NIMF. Better yet, go find another forum completely, because again YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE if you can't understand most people want to have quality discussion without your constant trolling and interference.

Funny how you call all the other derailing as "innocent".....but then the stuff you want to infract for (flaming) you use the overly dramatic victimization verbiage of "harrassement". You are backwards and confused. On here and IRL. Go away, because until you do....this forum will continue to spiral into obscurity. No matter how much Arnox protects you and ignores the obvious.

fucking this

you are so hellbent on the ability to make the conversations about you there are sections to "mess around" in take that shit there Zek your peace love and happiness shtick doesn't belong in every god damn thread.

I also can't wait to see the massive misuse use of the "harassment" rule while I don't think people should be taking vendettas into informational threads I know that's not the real reason this rule was implemented seeing as Arnox had no desire for a rule like that till his shit decisions made him a target
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on November 03, 2014, 02:32:54 pm
  I would prefer if we didn't ban for "innocent" derailing (people just messing around), necrobumping (except in cases of spam obv), or making false post reports.  On the other hand, harassment and making illegible posts seem to be more serious offenses and it'd make sense if we could ban in those cases.

No, and this is why you are unfit to be a moderator and don't belong here in general. "People just messing around" IS the textbook definition of trolling/derailing, and its what makes the threads irrelevant and eventually chases people away that DO come here for some sense of adult and controversial discussion. You wanna "just mess around"? Go post in HB. Go post in NIMF. Better yet, go find another forum completely, because again YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE if you can't understand most people want to have quality discussion without your constant trolling and interference.

Funny how you call all the other derailing as "innocent".....but then the stuff you want to infract for (flaming) you use the overly dramatic victimization verbiage of "harrassement". You are backwards and confused. On here and IRL. Go away, because until you do....this forum will continue to spiral into obscurity. No matter how much Arnox protects you and ignores the obvious.

Oh, sorry.  By "not ban" in that list I meant those would still be offenses, but people would receive warnings for them.  Apologies, DaGuru.  Was not very clear about that.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 03, 2014, 04:14:33 pm
No, and this is why you are unfit to be a moderator and don't belong here in general. "People just messing around" IS the textbook definition of trolling/derailing, and its what makes the threads irrelevant and eventually chases people away that DO come here for some sense of adult and controversial discussion. You wanna "just mess around"? Go post in HB. Go post in NIMF. Better yet, go find another forum completely, because again YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE if you can't understand most people want to have quality discussion without your constant trolling and interference.

Funny how you call all the other derailing as "innocent".....but then the stuff you want to infract for (flaming) you use the overly dramatic victimization verbiage of "harrassement". You are backwards and confused. On here and IRL. Go away, because until you do....this forum will continue to spiral into obscurity. No matter how much Arnox protects you and ignores the obvious.

Lol, no, this is why you're unfit to give commentary on the community. You're so out of touch with what this community actually is that you think banning people for having fun is a good idea. This community isn't about trading stupid text files, it hasn't been for a long time. There are like a grand total of 5 posters who want the whole site to be srsbsns all the time. The rest of us just want to shitpost with people we've known for what seems like forever.

It's funny that you whine endlessly about "hiding behind a control panel", yet when equiminity tries a gentler approach you get this butthurt.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 03, 2014, 04:17:57 pm
Oh, sorry.  By "not ban" in that list I meant those would still be offenses, but people would receive warnings for them.  Apologies, DaGuru.  Was not very clear about that.

Don't bother trying to apologize to him, he's not upset about anything you said, he just needs to cry about something and your post was close at hand. Some posters aren't brain dead belligerent shits who you can make peace with, DaGuru is not one of them.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on November 03, 2014, 04:22:57 pm
equiminity

:suspect:
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on November 03, 2014, 04:23:54 pm
To be clear, are these bits:

You may be warned for the following:
- Blatantly derailing a thread and going completely against the conversation flow or derailing with the purpose of harassing another user.
- Bumping a thread that is old unless you legitimately have something to add or contribute.
- Completely illegible or incoherent posts or threads.
- Making phony post reports.

strictly handled with warnings, and never bans?  I would prefer if we didn't ban for "innocent" derailing (people just messing around), necrobumping (except in cases of spam obv), or making false post reports.  On the other hand, harassment and making illegible posts seem to be more serious offenses and it'd make sense if we could ban in those cases.

Always try to give warnings for those but the rules aren't really set in stone so if someone's REALLY being obnoxious you can ban them first without giving them a warning.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on November 03, 2014, 04:29:05 pm
Ah that makes sense.  The mods have room to carefully interpret the rules.

The rules look pretty good to me, Arnox.  Thanks again for working so hard on this.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 03, 2014, 04:34:18 pm
equiminity

:suspect:

It was spellcheck! Fine, go post it in your spelling mistakes thread and I can sit here and imagine all the terrible things people are saying about me.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Obbe on November 03, 2014, 05:15:58 pm
No, and this is why you are unfit to be a moderator and don't belong here in general. "People just messing around" IS the textbook definition of trolling/derailing, and its what makes the threads irrelevant and eventually chases people away that DO come here for some sense of adult and controversial discussion. You wanna "just mess around"? Go post in HB. Go post in NIMF. Better yet, go find another forum completely, because again YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE if you can't understand most people want to have quality discussion without your constant trolling and interference.

Funny how you call all the other derailing as "innocent".....but then the stuff you want to infract for (flaming) you use the overly dramatic victimization verbiage of "harrassement". You are backwards and confused. On here and IRL. Go away, because until you do....this forum will continue to spiral into obscurity. No matter how much Arnox protects you and ignores the obvious.

Lol, no, this is why you're unfit to give commentary on the community. You're so out of touch with what this community actually is that you think banning people for having fun is a good idea. This community isn't about trading stupid text files, it hasn't been for a long time. There are like a grand total of 5 posters who want the whole site to be srsbsns all the time. The rest of us just want to shitpost with people we've known for what seems like forever.

It's funny that you whine endlessly about "hiding behind a control panel", yet when equiminity tries a gentler approach you get this butthurt.

You don't speak for the community either.  The forums all have descriptions, i don't think shitposting is in the description of any of them except maybe HB.  If you want to post shit maybe you should keep it in there.  Some of us would like to use the forums as they are intend to be used and discuss the topics described in the forum descriptions.  Not eveyone wants to just troll, this community was never meant to be about trolling and shitposting and people like you have ruined what used to be a good place to learn and discuss interesting topics.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Evan on November 03, 2014, 05:17:58 pm
Or to hurp the durp, as the case may burp.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on November 03, 2014, 05:22:41 pm
Ah that makes sense.  The mods have room to carefully interpret the rules.

The rules look pretty good to me, Arnox.  Thanks again for working so hard on this.

'Careful interpretation' is subject to ability,  which is sorely lacking here
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: equanimity on November 03, 2014, 08:12:29 pm
It was spellcheck! Fine, go post it in your spelling mistakes thread and I can sit here and imagine all the terrible things people are saying about me.

awww <3
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Prometheus on November 03, 2014, 09:37:34 pm
I honestly still don't know what exactly a shitpost is.

Any post regarding the Aristocrats.
Example:

Spoiler
A family walks into a talent agency. It's a father, mother, son, daughter and dog. The father says to the talent agent, "We have a really amazing act. You should represent us."

The agent says, "Sorry, I don't represent family acts. They're a little too cute."

The mother says, "Sir, if you just see our act, we know you would want to represent us."

The agent says, "OK. OK. I'll take a look."

"Well first, I walk out wearing a tuxedo, playing Brahms. Just as the music peaks, my wife in an evening gown runs on stage and undresses me before stripping on top of the piano.

Just as I finish playing the song with my cock, my wife does a backflip off the piano, landing in a split on stage. Once her naked ass hits the floor, my 7 year old daughter and 13 year old son rush on stage juggling flaming lawn darts. My wife does a handstand and catches the lawn darts in her twat, she then manages to queef them out, making her the third part of this juggling act.

The queefs force her to squeeze out a few turds, which I eagerly start smearing on my naked body, which arouses me quickly. Once I'm fully aroused my daughter and son take turns blowing me while my wife straps on a monstrous dildo and begins reaming each child while i ejaculate in the eyes of my offspring.

Once I cum, I run into the audience, shit-covered body still sticky with cum and grab my parents and in-laws to involve them into the act. I strip them all nude and instruct them to start a circle jerk while screaming racial slurs. So my mother and father-in-law start screaming, "Fuck the niggers" while mutually masturbating, and my father and mother-in-law begin diddling one another and chanting, "I hate spics and jews!" Once they reach a geriatric climax, my wife uses their ejaculate to lube up her fist which she uses to start fisting me.

As my asshole is violated, I start playing double dutch with my kids, and once they get tangled in the ropes, start a torrid 69. All the sucking and slurping cause my in-laws and parents to get aroused again and they start sodomizing and fisting one another.

My wife at this point has completely started dry-heaving, so she vomits all over my ass and my back. I line up each of my family members who take turns licking the chunks of spew off my back and out of my ass.

By now my children have to defecate so I tell them to shit in each other's favorite orifices. My son, ever the trooper takes a thick, dense shit in his sister's vagina while my daughter shits in my son's nose.

My young daughter also conveniently starts her menstrual cycle shortly thereafter, and the menses and boy-shit in her cunt make for great lube, as each of my in-laws begin fucking my daughter. My son, blinded in shit, heads back to the piano and does his best Stevie Wonder impression while my wife runs back into the audience to grab a toddler from the crowd.

She begins stuffing this child into her vagina, while my parents begin screaming how she's possessed by Satan and start performing a nude exorcism on her. The power of christ compels them to kill the toddler, which also makes it easier to cram into my wife's lovehole.

By now, I'm so horny and aroused that I start fucking the dead baby inside my wife while my young son starts licking my asshole and fingering his paternal grandparents. My in-laws finish abusing my daughter and start wrestling each other, which culminates in a huge powerbomb through the piano bench. The impact shatters my mother-in-law's hips, leaving her crippled.

The strain of the throw caused my father's bad heart to seize, and he collapses in a heap on the stage. As he gurgles and foams at the mouth, my daughter runs over and begins rubbing her shit covered pussy lips all over my crippled mother-in-law.

My wife grabs the wooden shards of the piano bench and begins playing her father's dying body like a xylophone. My son pulls his tongue out of my asshole and begins sucking his dying grandfather's cock.

I diall 911 and call for the paramedics who revive my father-in-law and then take turns fucking my daughter and eating the menses and shit out of her tight cunt.

Once he's conscious we all assemble in a large circle holding hands and chanting gibberish before launching into a rousing group impression of 'A Downs Syndrome' perspective on the horrors of the holocaust, 9/11 and the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

As we're moaning and screaming, my son runs off-stage to get the family dog. The dog runs over to my crippled mother-in-law and begins peeing on her. Once the dog finishes leaving her in a puddle of piss, my daughter stops blowing the paramedics to light the dog on fire.

The dog yelps and howls before collapsing. My son runs over to fuck the burnt corpse while screaming, "White is right!"as my daughter begins goose-stepping around the stage, squeezing shit out of her cunt and offering Nazi salutes to the audience.

My father-in-law begins raping my father, claiming that he's doing it for the forgotten Vietnam vets and POWs. My mother puts my crippled mother-in-law on her shoulders as I put my wife on my shoulders and we play a game of naked chicken.

Once my son finishes fucking the dead dog. He takes the pieces of the piano bench and begins crucifying the corpse. Once the dog is hung like jesus, he begins weeping at the foot of the cross, saying, "Why my goddog have you forsaken me?"

My daughter mounts the top of the crucifix, using it as a wooden dildo. My parents, my in-laws and my wife join hands at the center of the stage and start singing "The Hills Are Alive With The Sound Of Music"

I grab the lawn darts and shove one up everyone's ass before heading back to the piano to finish off the show with a rendition of Bel Air, so I whistled for a cab and when it came near The license plate said fresh and had a dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare. But I thought, nah forget it, yo home to Bel Air

I pulled up to the house about seven or eight and I yelled to the cabby, "Yo homes, smell you later"
Looked at my kingdom, I was finally there, to sit on my throne as the prince of Bel Air

For the longest time, the agent just sits in silence. Finally, he manages, "That's a hell of an act. What do you call it?"

We all reply, with well deserved pride - "The Aristocrats!"

Sweet flaming cockgobbets, I think you just outdid the Bob Saget version.
(edit: added spoiler because that post was loooooong)
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: fanglekai on November 04, 2014, 12:18:39 am
Ah that makes sense.  The mods have room to carefully interpret the rules.

The rules look pretty good to me, Arnox.  Thanks again for working so hard on this.

'Careful interpretation' is subject to ability,  which is sorely lacking here

+1
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on November 04, 2014, 08:29:32 pm


Lol, no, this is why you're unfit to give commentary on the community. You're so out of touch with what this community actually is that you think banning people for having fun is a good idea. This community isn't about trading stupid text files, it hasn't been for a long time. There are like a grand total of 5 posters who want the whole site to be srsbsns all the time. The rest of us just want to shitpost with people we've known for what seems like forever.

It's funny that you whine endlessly about "hiding behind a control panel", yet when equiminity tries a gentler approach you get this butthurt.

No Lanny, YOU are the one in the vast minority here....because people don't usually come on message forums to act like a child or maintain some social circle-jerk. If you want to "maintain friendships" you can IM, email, chatroom, Fakebook, whatever. And its not just about "serious business", because there is all kinds of ways to cut up and "have fun" LIKE AN ADULT, its just you have such a poor time mingling with actual adults IRL, which is why online you come off as such a meddling and insignificant kidiot.

Also, there is no "gentler approach" with Zek, its passive attention whoring.....nothing more.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 04, 2014, 08:44:05 pm
lol didn't read
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: aldra on November 05, 2014, 12:50:47 am
No, and this is why you are unfit to be a moderator and don't belong here in general. "People just messing around" IS the textbook definition of trolling/derailing, and its what makes the threads irrelevant and eventually chases people away that DO come here for some sense of adult and controversial discussion. You wanna "just mess around"? Go post in HB. Go post in NIMF. Better yet, go find another forum completely, because again YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE if you can't understand most people want to have quality discussion without your constant trolling and interference.

Funny how you call all the other derailing as "innocent".....but then the stuff you want to infract for (flaming) you use the overly dramatic victimization verbiage of "harrassement". You are backwards and confused. On here and IRL. Go away, because until you do....this forum will continue to spiral into obscurity. No matter how much Arnox protects you and ignores the obvious.

Lol, no, this is why you're unfit to give commentary on the community. You're so out of touch with what this community actually is that you think banning people for having fun is a good idea. This community isn't about trading stupid text files, it hasn't been for a long time. There are like a grand total of 5 posters

fixed
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 05, 2014, 01:38:16 am
^srs, arnox, get us some new users. It's getting stale fast
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Arnox on November 05, 2014, 02:18:35 am
^srs, arnox, get us some new users. It's getting stale fast

Were it so easy.

Right now, I'm incredibly broke so I can't pay for any advertising whatsoever. Our second option would be to start getting the word out on other sites that we exist but... Well, let's take things one at a time. I just finished up with some big changes.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on November 05, 2014, 04:38:14 am
^srs, arnox, get us some new users. It's getting stale fast

Ya gotta love this guy! One day he's saying how the website is "about shit-posting and flinging boogers back and forth. Now his experience is "stale". Yeah, no wonder kidiot....acting like a child and entertaining yourself with bullshit that only 7 year olds would find "fun" probably does get old real quick, huh?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on November 05, 2014, 04:40:36 am

Were it so easy.

Right now, I'm incredibly broke so I can't pay for any advertising whatsoever. Our second option would be to start getting the word out on other sites that we exist but... Well, let's take things one at a time. I just finished up with some big changes.

Are regs still closed? Why advertise if the place is boarded up for business? For that matter, isn't it better to hire exterminators and get rid of the pests before trying to open the doors to the public? Gotta lot of closets to clean out, and if you are sending a mixed/double message to people that have already been here for a few months....how do you think all of this confusion and hypocrisy will come off to someone that just found the place 5 minutes ago?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Slave of the Beast on November 05, 2014, 09:41:35 am
Once...

How you manage to avoid getting infracted for this shite I do not know.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: RisiR on November 05, 2014, 11:57:43 am
Once...

How you manage to avoid getting infracted for this shite I do not know.


Once...

How you manage to avoid getting infracted for this shite I do not know.
Because nobody on the mod team has a spine.

I like Lanny and I don't give a shit about his nonsense but I'm sure if Sploo or bling would do sort of stuff in every thread they would get banned and the function would be taken away like it did with Constantinople and font sizes.

Double standards all over the place.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on November 05, 2014, 12:20:22 pm
if Sploo or bling would do sort of stuff in every thread they would get banned and the function would be taken away like it did with Constantinople and font sizes.

Double standards all over the place.

^^^Most definitely THIS! ^^^

Lanny won't get infracted or banned because Lanny is Zek's frieeeeennnnnndddd. :facepalm:

And since they both are adamant that the purpose to this forum is just shitpost, mess around and have fun like a stupid child....then this IS the culture we are all having to deal with. I bet we can't wait to see the quality(?) of noobs if this place ever does attract other users, huh?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: BallsDeep69 on November 05, 2014, 12:21:08 pm
Sploo for mod also post above me ^^^
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on November 05, 2014, 01:00:27 pm

Quantity over quality. That's always been the way since the switch over from Telnet BBS to the WWW. Never works, always leads to site closure, a constant denial, but they just keep trying it again and again anyways.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Umbrella Corp on November 10, 2014, 03:09:58 pm
Mormonism: Life in the key of Beta

A story by Arnox
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on November 10, 2014, 05:12:52 pm
Double standards all over the place.

I am glad I am not the only one who noticed this
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Σ on November 10, 2014, 07:37:13 pm
I have seen a lot of bitching about the rules in this thread but I have seen no legitimate points from any of you as to how the below set of rules can be used by the moderation and admin team against the userbase.

Just tell us why these rules dont jive. As far as I can see they minimally infringe in your freedom of speech in order to keep the site on solid legal ground. Other rules protect the site from defacement and malicious users. All of the warning offences are designed in a way that unless you are making the decision to be an asshole you have no worries.


What isnt tolerated and results in a Ban:
1. Flooding/Spamming
2. Child Porn
3. Bestiality
4. Posting personal information without consent of all parties involved
5. Advertising your own site, service or product without talking to site administration
6. Breaking into, attempting to deface or posting links to malware or harmful software on this site
7. Ban evasion

What isnt tolerated and results in a Warning:
1. Blatant derailment of a thread
2. Perpetually harassing other users
3. Illegible or incoherent posts
4. Phony post reports

Essentially I am asking you, the users, to pick apart everything on my ban and warning list and tell my why its unreasonable.

Protip: you cant
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on November 10, 2014, 07:52:14 pm
I have seen a lot of bitching about the rules in this thread but I have seen no legitimate points from any of you as to how the below set of rules can be used by the moderation and admin team against the userbase.

Just tell us why these rules dont jive. As far as I can see they minimally infringe in your freedom of speech in order to keep the site on solid legal ground. Other rules protect the site from defacement and malicious users. All of the warning offences are designed in a way that unless you are making the decision to be an asshole you have no worries.


What isnt tolerated and results in a Ban:
1. Flooding/Spamming
2. Child Porn
3. Bestiality
4. Posting personal information without consent of all parties involved
5. Advertising your own site, service or product without talking to site administration
6. Breaking into, attempting to deface or posting links to malware or harmful software on this site
7. Ban evasion

What isnt tolerated and results in a Warning:
1. Blatant derailment of a thread
2. Perpetually harassing other users
3. Illegible or incoherent posts
4. Phony post reports

Essentially I am asking you, the users, to pick apart everything on my ban and warning list and tell my why its unreasonable.

Protip: you cant

arnox already said that his staff will rely on a 'case by case' basis to determine whether something is an 'offense' or not.  If you can't see how pretty much each and every rule there could potentially be twisted into something that a moderator with a 'grudge' could use against a user adversary, then you are even more of a fucking retard than I thought.  And I was already beginning to suspect you are quite the retard, even among this crowd.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Σ on November 10, 2014, 07:56:26 pm
So there are no rules you can pick out that have been or could easily be subject to abuse?


Interesting...

I made my post because I legit cannot see where the problem is with any rules. When you say that each one of the rules could be used by a moderator with a grudge I dont see it. I truly dont. Maybe you can help me see it.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on November 10, 2014, 08:07:17 pm
So there are no rules you can pick out that have been or could easily be subject to abuse?


Interesting...

 If you insist, here are the biggest ones

harassment: self-explanatory...a mod claims 'he/she is harassing her/him/me'
derailing, as above, a mod claims 'he/she is derailing the thread'
ban evasion (how can you even enforce this without an IP checker I will never fathom)
incoherent/contentless posts....again, the mods are the arbiter of what is or is not content, and can use this power as they see fit

A mod can choose, on a 'case-by-case' basis, to enforce these rules...and they do: on the same people over and over....look at the banlist....while certain other posters do the same things and nothing ever, ever happens to them, not even a warning.

Funny how the posters who are always infracted for this stuff are the ones that staff here find annoying or don't get along with.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 10, 2014, 08:12:07 pm
I have seen a lot of bitching about the rules in this thread but I have seen no legitimate points from any of you as to how the below set of rules can be used by the moderation and admin team against the userbase.

Just tell us why these rules dont jive. As far as I can see they minimally infringe in your freedom of speech in order to keep the site on solid legal ground. Other rules protect the site from defacement and malicious users. All of the warning offences are designed in a way that unless you are making the decision to be an asshole you have no worries.


What isnt tolerated and results in a Ban:
1. Flooding/Spamming
2. Child Porn
3. Bestiality
4. Posting personal information without consent of all parties involved
5. Advertising your own site, service or product without talking to site administration
6. Breaking into, attempting to deface or posting links to malware or harmful software on this site
7. Ban evasion

What isnt tolerated and results in a Warning:
1. Blatant derailment of a thread
2. Perpetually harassing other users
3. Illegible or incoherent posts
4. Phony post reports

Essentially I am asking you, the users, to pick apart everything on my ban and warning list and tell my why its unreasonable.

Protip: you cant

How about you read any of the 16 pages of this thread and tell us why someone's objection to the rules doesn't go through. For instance you could look at my posts explaining how the PI rule doesn't actually help anyone yet has potential to (and historically has) caused a great deal of strife.

P.S. your posting style has changed since you became of mod and so far it hasn't been for the better
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on November 10, 2014, 08:14:58 pm
P.S. your posting style has changed since you became of mod and so far it hasn't been for the better

this ^....the more this guy posts the more I see his terrible personality and lack of intelligence manifested
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Spectre on November 10, 2014, 08:20:58 pm
P.S. your posting style has changed since you became of mod and so far it hasn't been for the better

this ^....the more this guy posts the more I see his terrible personality and lack of intelligence manifested

there's a reason hansen was never a mod on &T2 not that he was a bad poster but he never really came across as someone that could handle any modicum of power
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on November 10, 2014, 08:27:49 pm
I have seen a lot of bitching about the rules in this thread but I have seen no legitimate points from any of you as to how the below set of rules can be used by the moderation and admin team against the userbase.

Just tell us why these rules dont jive. As far as I can see they minimally infringe in your freedom of speech in order to keep the site on solid legal ground. Other rules protect the site from defacement and malicious users. All of the warning offences are designed in a way that unless you are making the decision to be an asshole you have no worries.


What isnt tolerated and results in a Ban:
1. Flooding/Spamming
2. Child Porn
3. Bestiality
4. Posting personal information without consent of all parties involved
5. Advertising your own site, service or product without talking to site administration
6. Breaking into, attempting to deface or posting links to malware or harmful software on this site
7. Ban evasion

What isnt tolerated and results in a Warning:
1. Blatant derailment of a thread
2. Perpetually harassing other users
3. Illegible or incoherent posts
4. Phony post reports

Essentially I am asking you, the users, to pick apart everything on my ban and warning list and tell my why its unreasonable.

Protip: you cant

its not the rules that are the issue.  its the selective enforcement of them and the lack of consistency.  that...and their interpretation.  or more accurately, misinterpretation

Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Not An Alt on November 10, 2014, 08:29:05 pm
Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore— While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. “’Tis some visitor,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door— Only this and nothing more.” Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December; And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor. Eagerly I wished the morrow;—vainly I had sought to borrow From my books surcease of sorrow—sorrow for the lost Lenore— For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore— Nameless here for evermore. And the silken, sad, uncertain rustling of each purple curtain Thrilled me—filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before; So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating “’Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door— Some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door;— This it is and nothing more.” Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer, “Sir,” said I, “or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore; But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping, And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door, That I scarce was sure I heard you”—here I opened wide the door;— Darkness there and nothing more. Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before; But the silence was unbroken, and the stillness gave no token, And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, “Lenore?” This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, “Lenore!”— Merely this and nothing more. Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning, Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before. “Surely,” said I, “surely that is something at my window lattice; Let me see, then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore— Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore;— ’Tis the wind and nothing more!” Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter, In there stepped a stately Raven of the saintly days of yore; Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he; But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door— Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door— Perched, and sat, and nothing more. Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling, By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore, “Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,” I said, “art sure no craven, Ghastly grim and ancient Raven wandering from the Nightly shore— Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night’s Plutonian shore!” Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.” Much I marvelled this ungainly fowl to hear discourse so plainly, Though its answer little meaning—little relevancy bore; For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being Ever yet was blessed with seeing bird above his chamber door— Bird or beast upon the sculptured bust above his chamber door, With such name as “Nevermore.” But the Raven, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour. Nothing farther then he uttered—not a feather then he fluttered— Till I scarcely more than muttered “Other friends pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door; And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon’s that is dreaming, And the lamp-light o’er him streaming throws his shadow 
How you manage to avoid getting infracted for this shite I do not know.
if Sploo or bling would do sort of stuff in every thread they would get banned and the function would be taken away like it did with Constantinople and font sizes.

Double standards all over the place.

1. Flooding/Spamming
1. Blatant derailment of a thread
2. Perpetually harassing other users
3. Illegible or incoherent posts

So there are no rules you can pick out that have been or could easily be subject to abuse?


Interesting...

I made my post because I legit cannot see where the problem is with any rules. When you say that each one of the rules could be used by a moderator with a grudge I dont see it. I truly dont. Maybe you can help me see it.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Infinityshock on November 10, 2014, 08:30:17 pm
So there are no rules you can pick out that have been or could easily be subject to abuse?


Interesting...

I made my post because I legit cannot see where the problem is with any rules. When you say that each one of the rules could be used by a moderator with a grudge I dont see it. I truly dont. Maybe you can help me see it.

youre blind as a fucking bat named helen keller

reference the incident with the former mod 'street crap' a few months ago

HNIC does it on a regular basis
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Σ on November 10, 2014, 08:49:53 pm
So essentially all the offences that dont end in a ban you have a problem with?

Lets be realistic here. I understand the fear of abuse by authority. This makes sense to me. But as the authority on this site we need some utilities to work with. The utilities we have are the rules we set in place. It is necessary for us as a website to say what will and will not be tolerated and behavior is a factor in that. So by having a code of conduct we are allowed to observe which users may be problem users. *SOUND THA ALARMZ!* Yes I just used the term problem users. But let me define a problem user before anyone starts screaming up a ruckus.

Problem users are users who have demonstrated that their intent is to go beyond saying their piece and systematically posting in a way that affects a majority of other users. Examples of this kind of posting would be spamming, harassment, constant incoherent and/or nonsensically illegible posts, derailing threads and ban evasion. While some users may just be rowdy there is a difference between them and the problem users. The problem users have progressed to to exhibiting the aforementioned behavior on a constant basis. And I want to make it clear that problem users are not shit posters. I would think its safe to say the majority of users enjoy this site because of the atmosphere. The idea that you can say whatever the fuck you want and you don't care what anyone else says is a core tenant of this site and that atmosphere. When problem posters enter the picture that atmosphere evaporates. What is left could be described as a party that was ruined by one autistic kid whose screaming just wouldn't stop.

We can talk about petty grudges between mods and users but I haven't seen any mods actually having a grudge with individual users. I have seen many users that scream and cry about this mod or that admin but it is always crtitically. Its "you implemented a thanks system and still couldnt get it right?" its "Oh lol this site aint goin nowhere!" and its "lol arnox ur team is dum!". It hasnt been anything like "Hey my acct got deleted by a rouge mod!" Its not "Hey my PI has been leaked by the mod team!" its never anything serious but it is always incredibly crititical.

And that's okay. We can take critical. We can handle that scream autistic child at the centre of the room. Maybe after poking it with a stick a couple times but in the end wont let some screaming autist ruin our good time. 
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: -SpectraL on November 10, 2014, 09:04:27 pm

The topic is favoritism. Please do not muddy the issue. Thank you.

*this post has been brought to you by the letters A and X*
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: DaGuru on November 11, 2014, 02:57:07 am
So essentially all the offences that dont end in a ban you have a problem with?

Lets be realistic here. I understand the fear of abuse by authority. This makes sense to me. But as the authority on this site we need some utilities to work with. The utilities we have are the rules we set in place. It is necessary for us as a website to say what will and will not be tolerated and behavior is a factor in that. So by having a code of conduct we are allowed to observe which users may be problem users. *SOUND THA ALARMZ!* Yes I just used the term problem users. But let me define a problem user before anyone starts screaming up a ruckus.

Problem users are users who have demonstrated that their intent is to go beyond saying their piece and systematically posting in a way that affects a majority of other users. Examples of this kind of posting would be spamming, harassment, constant incoherent and/or nonsensically illegible posts, derailing threads and ban evasion. While some users may just be rowdy there is a difference between them and the problem users. The problem users have progressed to to exhibiting the aforementioned behavior on a constant basis. And I want to make it clear that problem users are not shit posters. I would think its safe to say the majority of users enjoy this site because of the atmosphere. The idea that you can say whatever the fuck you want and you don't care what anyone else says is a core tenant of this site and that atmosphere. When problem posters enter the picture that atmosphere evaporates. What is left could be described as a party that was ruined by one autistic kid whose screaming just wouldn't stop.

We can talk about petty grudges between mods and users but I haven't seen any mods actually having a grudge with individual users. I have seen many users that scream and cry about this mod or that admin but it is always crtitically. Its "you implemented a thanks system and still couldnt get it right?" its "Oh lol this site aint goin nowhere!" and its "lol arnox ur team is dum!". It hasnt been anything like "Hey my acct got deleted by a rouge mod!" Its not "Hey my PI has been leaked by the mod team!" its never anything serious but it is always incredibly crititical.

And that's okay. We can take critical. We can handle that scream autistic child at the centre of the room. Maybe after poking it with a stick a couple times but in the end wont let some screaming autist ruin our good time.

While that all sounds nice and well in theory, the sad fact remains that the practical application of everything you just said is failing miserably. Because people are getting banned for no reason...i.e. Infinity Shock in B&M for having the audacity to flame someone in the very section where that IS the very purpose.

And of course you still have one of your own moderators derailing threads with way too much regularity, one of these OBVIOUS "problem posters" you described above.....but not a damn thing is being done about it.

An old wise man said...."faith without works is dead", and so far its just a bunch of empty rhetoric with no actual action behind those words.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on November 11, 2014, 03:13:27 am
If your party is ruined by autistic screaming, then you just don't know how to party.

Seriously though, any sort of negativity or 'name calling' could be considered 'harassment' by a mod and dealt with accordingly, on a 'case-by-case-basis', which means there isn't even a standard of what is 'harassment' or 'incoherent'.  It just depends on the individual moderators, who may, or may not be assholes or have an agenda or grudge. 

And seeing as how you are the one who brought this up, interesting how when it goes against you, its now all like 'well the mods aren't abusing their power yet, but you guys are screaming and crying about it'

Fuck you, Σ.  You are one of the worst posters here, and almost every post of yours has some glaring factual error.  Just stop already before you embarass yourself further.

Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Σ on November 11, 2014, 04:27:14 am
I don't understand the problem with it being dealt with by a case by case basis. The fact remains that every case of harassment is different. Every case differs in areas like intention, aggression, how often it occurs and various other factors so it would be nearly impossible to blanket one punishment when almost all cases will vary.

How would you define harrassment?
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on November 11, 2014, 04:35:58 am
How would you define harrassment?

I am trying to harass you in this thread
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Lanny on November 11, 2014, 04:38:38 am
Why do we even care about harassment? If someone wants to waste their time harassing me they can go for it. Everyone harassed each other endlessly on the sites the funneled into this one, never got in the way.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: starvingniglet on November 11, 2014, 05:23:24 am
How would you define harrassment?

harassment would be multiple instances of following someone around serious threads and posting off topic 'flaming' type posts against them, and disrupting their communications and conversations.  Not just one or two instances, either.....I feel like the less rules the better, in general, but there comes a point where it starts to get out of hand
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Σ on November 11, 2014, 05:37:15 am
How would you define harrassment?

harassment would be multiple instances of following someone around serious threads and posting off topic 'flaming' type posts against them, and disrupting their communications and conversations.  Not just one or two instances, either.....I feel like the less rules the better, in general, but there comes a point where it starts to get out of hand

This we can both agree on. What I want to find is the line where it gets out of hand. I want users to be able to fuck with users. I dont think having some lolz is a bad thing. I highly encourage it. But I do think that when one user fucks with other users constantly in a way that deems them a nuisance should be at least given a time to cool off and think about what they are doing.
Title: Re: The New Rules (Currently in Beta)
Post by: Suicidal Fish on November 11, 2014, 05:38:44 am
I am pro-harrassment