The New Rules (Currently in Beta)

[DaGuru]

No, you're insulting everyone by implying they're as much of a little bitch as you are. Man the fuck up, if you're so stupid that you can't keep your personal info under wraps then you shouldn't be posting here anyway. Instead you want to be a dipshit and go cry to the staff when someone posts your name like it even matters.

Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.

Translation: "I'm losing this argument badly and have no other response....so I'll take the cheapest road possible and share a pic or name of someone. That way I can say 'Hahahahaha, this is youuuuuuuuuu' and then suddenly I win the debate and show off my intellectual prowess all at the same time"~~~~~The logic of a spastic little child, that fails badly at actual socialization in real life, and when his virtual world ends up a failure/embarrasement too...he pulls out any and all stops to lash out at the world and his enemies.

[Nasheeds and Lesbians]

No, you're insulting everyone by implying they're as much of a little bitch as you are. Man the fuck up, if you're so stupid that you can't keep your personal info under wraps then you shouldn't be posting here anyway. Instead you want to be a dipshit and go cry to the staff when someone posts your name like it even matters.

Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.

Translation: "I'm losing this argument badly and have no other response....so I'll take the cheapest road possible and share a pic or name of someone. That way I can say 'Hahahahaha, this is youuuuuuuuuu' and then suddenly I win the debate and show off my intellectual prowess all at the same time"~~~~~The logic of a spastic little child, that fails badly at actual socialization in real life, and when his virtual world ends up a failure/embarrasement too...he pulls out any and all stops to lash out at the world and his enemies.

You just admitted everything you say is disqualified by how laughable you look because "the medium is the message" which is a quote by someone you've never heard of because you're both stupid and ugly

[Suicidal Fish]

Can I eat Corned Beef in the Spam Forum?

[fanglekai]

All this retarded arguing over POINTLESS SHIT. holy fuck you people have no lives. Casual posting used to be decent but now it's nothing but crying and butthurt everywhere.

[Nasheeds and Lesbians]

when I was a kid I would be psyched if we were eating corned beef and cabbage for supper

typing that almost made me cry

ha
ha

am I joking or not?

fuck, I dunno if you can tell or not

[Arnox]

Arnox warned me for asking what his IQ is

Actually, you were warned for making a massive post full of paragraph breaks which would be flooding.

Why is there still a PI rule. These stupid fights over what is and isn't PI

What is and isn't PI is clearly defined now.

- If you repeatedly violate a rule, or if we think you are just bringing the site down, you may be banned for a long time or permabanned.

the bold and underlined portion of that is a license to abuse bans

If we really wanted to abuse bans, we wouldn't care about whatever the rules would say.

-Please elaborate more what you expect in regard to what the definition of "forum etiquette" is.

-Please remove the "proper spelling and grammar is encouraged". You are already going over the fact that unintelligible babble won't be tolerated later in the rules....and this particular edict sounds like it's coming from a school marm or anal retentive librarian. Which is a bit awkward if not embarrasing considering the type of hardcore user you seem to want to attract.

-Please elaborate on what constitutes "derailing with the purpose to harass a user". This sounds way too generic and broad based, and could be used/abused/interpreted willy nilly depending on the parties and any bias the staff may have in perception of the posts.

-Please elaborate on the meaning of "if we think you are just bringing the site down". This is THE most dangerous rule of all, and sounds way too subjective and open up to interpretation as I just stated above. Kind of how police use "disorderly conduct" as their catchall crutch when no other crime has really been committed, just kind of throwing something at the wall hoping to make anything stick.

1. Pretty much what is stated. I wouldn't worry about it though. Forum etiquette is just highly recommended and is not a rule.

2. I thought it was pretty clear. If someone comes into a thread merely to say "Your posts suck." or "OP sucks." or "Poster #23 sucks." or what have you, you may be warned for that as it's a form of blatant derailment.

3. Eh... Alright. I'll take it out. But the first part of the rules still apply. The thing is, DaGuru, people here need to have some faith in the staff. Again, we're not here to be brutal dictators or else we would have made a completely different site.

[Lanny]

Why is there still a PI rule. These stupid fights over what is and isn't PI

What is and isn't PI is clearly defined now.

Even if the wording is clear it won't be enforced like that (and actually it's the same rule as before which empirically hasn't been enforced like that). Take the pictures that Vizier posted on zoklet that have been posted here. By a literal reading of the rules that's PI but it hasn't been treated that way and it'd be stupid to treat it that way.

Besides, most people would think the rule is stupid even if it were crystal clear. People will break the rule if it's there or not. In fact people will post PI because there's a rule against it. It's just one more reason for people to pick fights with you and the staff with absolutely 0 benefit to anyone in the community.

[Arnox]

Even if the wording is clear it won't be enforced like that (and actually it's the same rule as before which empirically hasn't been enforced like that). Take the pictures that Vizier posted on zoklet that have been posted here. By a literal reading of the rules that's PI but it hasn't been treated that way and it'd be stupid to treat it that way.

Besides, most people would think the rule is stupid even if it were crystal clear. People will break the rule if it's there or not. In fact people will post PI because there's a rule against it. It's just one more reason for people to pick fights with you and the staff with absolutely 0 benefit to anyone in the community.

I don't know what happened with Vizier's PI. I was getting posts about it being an actor or something... I don't know. Slip-ups happen. We can't be omniscient and that goes for every rule. Not just PI.

But, by your logic, we should just have ignored the CP too because people were posting it all the time. And you're also making it sound like it's still a current problem when no one around here has posted PI for a rather long time anymore.

[Lanny]

I don't know what happened with Vizier's PI. I was getting posts about it being an actor or something... I don't know. Slip-ups happen. We can't be omniscient and that goes for every rule. Not just PI.

Sure, but you can make fewer mistakes by having fewer rules. You ought only to have a rule if it does more good than harm. Harm from the PI rule comes in arguments over what constitutes PI, staff slipups, and resentment towards the staff. There are no clear benefits since the rule doesn't actually prevent PI from being spread.

But, by your logic, we should just have ignored the CP too because people were posting it all the time.

The difference is that CP will get the site shut down and people arrested. PI poses no such risk. If CP were legal in the operant legal jurisdictions then it would be hypocritical to ban in it a free speech forum.

And you're also making it sound like it's still a current problem when no one around here has posted PI for a rather long time anymore.

Seeing as PI was posted in this very thread I'd say it's still a thing. Not saying that's a problem, but how you handle it is still relevant.

[joe camel]

But I thought half of the purpose of HB was drug-fueled incoherency

We're going to make HB a funny SG pretty much and make a spam forum as well to counterbalance that.

As with CP, I don't think we need to be that strict.

I feel there should be no real rules in hb, except pi, cp, and bestiality.

[DaGuru]

Even if the wording is clear it won't be enforced like that (and actually it's the same rule as before which empirically hasn't been enforced like that). Take the pictures that Vizier posted on zoklet that have been posted here. By a literal reading of the rules that's PI but it hasn't been treated that way and it'd be stupid to treat it that way.

Besides, most people would think the rule is stupid even if it were crystal clear. People will break the rule if it's there or not. In fact people will post PI because there's a rule against it. It's just one more reason for people to pick fights with you and the staff with absolutely 0 benefit to anyone in the community.

Oh for Christ's sake, the fact you are desperately putting THIS much effort into justifying posting PI just proves what kind of worthless and useless little troll you really are. You keep acting like there is "confusion" in regard to PI, when all this is is YOU acting like a petulant toddler that can't take "no" for an answer when asking mommie if he can have candy bars for supper.

There is ZERO purpose to post PI other than to go out of your way and maliciously fuck with someone on or off the boards. Using your Vizier pic example....its is NOT a legitimate post of any relevance of any discussion. There is no GREY area...."errrrr ummm, well I had to post it because it was the answer/response to the argument". No its not.

You claiming it's "too hard" to enforce is especially absurd, and only giving that argument because you yourself were a lousy moderator and got off on such immaturity and stupidity. Most rational people that would become mods certainly CAN enforce it, because the concept is as simple as counting to 10.

And in regard to your absolutely ridiculous idea of..."people will post PI JUST to challenge the rule and moderators"....well there is a name for attention seeking malcontents that PLAY GAMES on message boards instead of actually posting relevant discussion. They are called TROLLS, and any BBS worth its salt removes the obvious trolls that do NOTHING other than to just dumb down and taint everyone else's experience. Yet again, its very interesting you are so damn intent to coddle/encourage/justify dimestore trolling and immature idiots that aren't here to actually engage in adult discourse....but act the fool and blatantly fuck with everyone else.

Go away TROLL, you clearly don't get it, you won't ever get it, and you obviously do NOT fit in here....if trolling/PI posting is such an "integral" part of your experience in this arena. You are a worthless little bitch, and its really about time mommie just sent you to your room without ANY supper....if you are going to whine and cry to such an extent over such a cut-n-dry and easily understood rule that nobody else seems to have a problem with.

[Lanny]

^{hey _{daguru I just wanted to point out that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote. Feel free to keep wasting your time on internet rants no one is ever going to read though}}

[DaGuru]

^{hey _{daguru I just wanted to point out that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote. Feel free to keep wasting your time on internet rants no one is ever going to read though}}

Check. and. MATE.   

[Lanny]

^{hey _{daguru I just wanted to point out that I didn't read a single thing you just wrote. Feel free to keep wasting your time on internet rants no one is ever going to read though}}

Check. and. MATE.   

^{I'm _{glad you've decided to admit your defeat so gracefully}}

[Arnox]

Harm from the PI rule comes in arguments over what constitutes PI, staff slipups, and resentment towards the staff. There are no clear benefits since the rule doesn't actually prevent PI from being spread.

Again, it's pretty clear what constitutes PI now and what isn't, staff slipups with it happen just as often as other rules which is occasionally, and resentment towards staff... People already resent the staff. And as some people pointed out, some people will hate the staff just because they are staff. Nothing can be done about that. And in any case, hardly anyone here has a problem with the PI rule it looks like. You seem to be the only one who has a problem with it. Just saiyan.

Posting a users PI is not only a huge annoyance to the user who's PI was posted, in some rare extreme cases, it can also become a serious identity theft hazard and some of our more crazy members may just take advantage of the PI and track down the user (Yes, I've heard of this happening legitly. Don't tell me it doesn't.) to harm him/her in some way.