The New Rules (Currently in Beta)

[DaGuru]

Does this mean someone can be banned for their post style, e.g. being direct, persistent and ruthless in discussion? I ask because I can imagine a scenario whereby a mod' recommends a user be permabanned because they are consistently 'mean and unfriendly'. On the basis of what I've seen so far on this site I doubt they'd even be required to validate their claim before action was considered.

I THINK (but there is a bit of obscure uncertainty) he somewhat retracted that particular rule in his response to me...

3. Eh... Alright. I'll take it out. But the first part of the rules still apply. The thing is, DaGuru, people here need to have some faith in the staff. Again, we're not here to be brutal dictators or else we would have made a completely different site.

Again, seems to be a little bit confusing and muddy....because all we can do is take Arnox at face value at this point, and leaving any finite boundary or rule on the concept of "faith" leaves me a bit squeamish as well.

[Infinityshock]

Another issue is consistent enforcement of the rules and not being selective about what is and isnt infracted...or by whom

As it is now that is most definitely not the case

[-SpectraL]

- If you repeatedly violate a rule, or if we think you are just bringing the site down, you may be banned for a long time or permabanned.

the bold and underlined portion of that is a license to abuse bans

Was gonna post the exact same thing, but you beat me to it. But then again, if we don't have the rule of "bringing the site down", the kidiots could use that as a loophole to bring the site down. It's kind of a double-edged sword. The actual threat to community comes when a staff member takes it upon himself to label valid content as spam, so there should also be a rule to indicate that any staff member who determines valid content to be spam will be removed from the staff forthwith.

[Slave of the Beast]

If you feel you've been punished unfairly, you may contact an admin about it by email. (fakeout0@yahoo.com) HOWEVER, keep in mind that most, if not all of the time, an admin (me included) will stand by a global moderator's decision. We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard. For more information on this subject, please see the stickied topic on Staffing Policies.

3. Eh... Alright. I'll take it out. But the first part of the rules still apply. The thing is, DaGuru, people here need to have some faith in the staff. Again, we're not here to be brutal dictators or else we would have made a completely different site.

Again, seems to be a little bit confusing and muddy....because all we can do is take Arnox at face value at this point, and leaving any finite boundary or rule on the concept of "faith" leaves me a bit squeamish as well.

The religious undertones hadn't escaped me; you just need to have some faith in the near-infallible staff he picks DaGuru.

As always, time will tell how well that works out.

[Jedi Moped]

Why is there still a PI rule.

Because the purpose to this forum is to exchange ideas and information as well as engage in lively debate. Sure those debates sometimes end up being arguments which escalate into outright flame wars. But if ANYONE at ANY TIME has to resort to "spreading PI" (whether pics, names or anything else) because they are such an immature fuckup in the middle of losing that debate...then they have no business being here. They do need to be perma-banned, as someone that emotionally spastic and mentally lacking  has to actually "go there"...its not conducive in any way, shape or form to what the purpose to this place is, and especially the "kind" of user we want to attract.

This has been explained to you probably a couple DOZEN times now, when will you stop asking this ridiculous question with such an OBVIOUS answer. Just because you don't like the response doesn't mean common sense and adult discourse will suddenly take a vacation because it doesn't fit your toxic and idiotic agenda. Get over it already.....

STFU SpectraL

[-SpectraL]

Why is there still a PI rule.

Because the purpose to this forum is to exchange ideas and information as well as engage in lively debate. Sure those debates sometimes end up being arguments which escalate into outright flame wars. But if ANYONE at ANY TIME has to resort to "spreading PI" (whether pics, names or anything else) because they are such an immature fuckup in the middle of losing that debate...then they have no business being here. They do need to be perma-banned, as someone that emotionally spastic and mentally lacking  has to actually "go there"...its not conducive in any way, shape or form to what the purpose to this place is, and especially the "kind" of user we want to attract.

This has been explained to you probably a couple DOZEN times now, when will you stop asking this ridiculous question with such an OBVIOUS answer. Just because you don't like the response doesn't mean common sense and adult discourse will suddenly take a vacation because it doesn't fit your toxic and idiotic agenda. Get over it already.....

STFU SpectraL

The mods should know by now, just taking one look at your posting history, that you are only here on behalf of LLZ to shit up the threads in a pathetic attempt to disrupt conversations and progress here. If that ain't attempting to deface the site, as the rules clearly state is defacing the site, then I don't know what is. In my opinion, you should be permabanned. You've already released member PI several times and been banned for it, and now you're following members around in the threads, attacking valid content repeatedly, basically just trying to disrupt Sanctuary in general by flooding it with no-content posts. If it were up to me, you'd be permabanned right now.

[Slave of the Beast]

STFU SpectraL

Truth be told I do think there's some scope for 'executive' decisions to be made. In your case for example the level of out-and-out shitposting is exceptionally high; checking through your last 50 posts is a bit like staring at dead bodies floating down the Ganges.

[Lanny]

STFU SpectraL

Truth be told I do think there's some scope for 'executive' decisions to be made. In your case for example the level of out-and-out shitposting is exceptionally high; checking through your last 50 posts is a bit like staring at dead bodies floating down the Ganges.

"This 'ban people who bring the site down' rule it terrible! Whaaaaa! Err... except for when it's someone I dislike"

[Arnox]

Does this mean someone can be banned for their post style, e.g. being direct, persistent and ruthless in discussion? I ask because I can imagine a scenario whereby a mod' recommends a user be permabanned because they are consistently 'mean and unfriendly'. On the basis of what I've seen so far on this site I doubt they'd even be required to validate their claim before action was considered.

Having talked to DaGuru a little bit in this thread, the rule will be removed.

[Michael Myers]

Will you quote me and then post so I can be included in your 1500th post. Thanks.

[Infinityshock]

STFU SpectraL

Truth be told I do think there's some scope for 'executive' decisions to be made. In your case for example the level of out-and-out shitposting is exceptionally high; checking through your last 50 posts is a bit like staring at dead bodies floating down the Ganges.

"This 'ban people who bring the site down' rule it terrible! Whaaaaa! Err... except for when it's someone I dislike"

They may want to reconsider that rule unless theyre willing to ban every single member...including staff

[Nasheeds and Lesbians]

tried to type a reply but it kept coming up "kill yourself Arnox" over and over again

[Prometheus]

2. Child porn, (CP) which can be defined as images, videos, or links to such of anyone nude and under the age of 18, no matter what the context and sexually suggestive images, videos or links to such of anyone under the age of 18 with partial clothing. (Bikinis, etc.)

As mentioned above, that excludes the Nevermind album cover, but what jumped to my mind was the famous photograph from the My Lai Massacre. No shortage of classical art either. Perhaps a caveat is in order stating that if something could be considered CP according to the above rules, but clearly isn't treated that way culturally, get mod approval first.

5. Advertising your own site, service, or thing unless publicly cleared to do so by an admin or global mod. This also includes people affiliated with the creation, maintenance, or advertisement of a site, service, or thing.

Isn't there a marketplace subforum? How does that relate?

6. Breaking into or attempting to deface or damage the site or its host in any way. This also includes links to programs that could damage or deface the site or its host, instructions on how to do so, or where to obtain such information or make such programs.

No problem with the first sentence. But the rest of it... Where to obtain such information includes pretty much any website that teaches coding or networking. Links to software or instructions could possibly come up in context of discussions on security measures. As they say, the best way to see how security works, is to see how security fails.


I think that these rules are generally good, but need just a bit of polishing.

[Jedi Moped]

STFU SpectraL

Truth be told I do think there's some scope for 'executive' decisions to be made. In your case for example the level of out-and-out shitposting is exceptionally high; checking through your last 50 posts is a bit like staring at dead bodies floating down the Ganges.

STFU SpectraL

[Tokolosh]

We're going to make HB a funny SG pretty much

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lmao

Account Deletion:
We will not delete your account by request. What you post here is, for the most part, permanent and is backed up frequently.

How can you have such a forefront on PI and then tell users they can't delete their account by request?

2+2=5