The Sanctuary
Site Discussion => News of the Sanctuary => Topic started by: Arnox on October 25, 2014, 04:46:30 pm
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Some of you have noticed that I've been pretty distant lately. That I'm not willing to discuss anything. I freely admit it. I have been avoiding conversation for a while. This is due in part to the fact that I have found some of you here to be unreasonable. People that I've tried to talk to at some point or another in the past but have been unsuccessful. Some moreso than others. And with repeated staff harassment, this has caused me to retreat further from any public conversation. Especially about site and staff policy.
But having had time to think, I am willing to give this one more shot for us all. So, from here on out, everyone gets a fresh start in my eyes. Any perceptions I have had about any of you in the past are gone now and I am willing to talk and discuss things with everyone, no matter who they are. (Assuming they're not currently banned of course.)
However, there are some disclaimers here.
1. If anyone starts trying to flame or harass me again, I'm going to start ignoring them until they calm down. If you want to talk and actually have a dialogue with me, you have to be civil. I'm not going to waste my time with immaturity. This goes for everything too. So if someone bans you and I get an email along the lines of "OMG y u ban me fagit u suck", prepare for silence.
2. You must accept that I may not answer your question simply because there may be too many. My staff should also be able to answer any questions as well so please feel free to talk to them too. Also, we have a site FAQ in the News sub-forum so please also check that.
And that should be it.
TL;DR - I'm willing to talk now. Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect.
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repeated staff harassment
Here is a question: how is it 'harassment' when you guys have the power to ban whoever you want, and alter conversations however you want? The power imbalance sort of precludes us doing much other than express our displeasure verbally. That is 'harassment' to you? 'Harassment' is more like banning people for 'posting staff hate outside the staff hate thread', and banning people for posting stream-of-consciousness type posts in hb.
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Here is a question: how is it 'harassment' when you guys have the power to ban whoever you want, and alter conversations however you want? The power imbalance sort of precludes us doing much other than express our displeasure verbally. That is 'harassment' to you? 'Harassment' is more like banning people for 'posting staff hate outside the staff hate thread', and banning people for posting stream-of-consciousness type posts in hb.
There are many different kinds of harassment. I was talking about the constant unwarranted flaming mostly. Badgering the staff with a bunch of questions as well. Some of them rather silly... Now obviously some forms of harassment are indeed greater than others... (Oh, and BTW, that thread is about to be decommissioned now with the new rules most likely.) But whether it was truly harassment to restrict staff complaints to one thread is up for debate in my eyes.
I guess I'm kind of confused what you're trying to say. Are you asking how we can feel harassed when you guys have been supposedly more harassed? Well, I would argue that you guys weren't being abused at all and that I made sure everything was fair but it would take ages to go through every single staff decision. Perhaps you could narrow it down to one or two if you really feel like discussing that.
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I guess I'm kind of confused what you're trying to say. Are you asking how we can feel harassed when you guys have been supposedly more harassed? Well, I would argue that you guys weren't being abused at all and that I made sure everything was fair but it would take ages to go through every single staff decision. Perhaps you could narrow it down to one or two if you really feel like discussing that.
all I really care about is the banning people for dumb reasons thing. Once that is addressed, I will shut up, I promise. Until then, I am just about going to work any angle I can to try and get my agenda through.
I was going to pick apart the OP and go through your numbered list and explain how each one could be used to avoid any debate once you felt things get out of your control, but I am sure you get the idea without me actually doing so.
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I guess I'm kind of confused what you're trying to say. Are you asking how we can feel harassed when you guys have been supposedly more harassed? Well, I would argue that you guys weren't being abused at all and that I made sure everything was fair but it would take ages to go through every single staff decision. Perhaps you could narrow it down to one or two if you really feel like discussing that.
all I really care about is the banning people for dumb reasons thing. Once that is addressed, I will shut up, I promise. Until then, I am just about going to work any angle I can to try and get my agenda through.
I was going to pick apart the OP and go through your numbered list and explain how each one could be used to avoid any debate once you felt things get out of your control, but I am sure you get the idea without me actually doing so.
I was speaking to both Bling Bling and Ninja in PMs as they were in the process of getting themselves banned. Asked them really politely to please stop breaking the rules. In Bling's case, he spammed SG (the "serious" general forum) one too many times, and later on ban evaded to do it some more. Really tried reaching out to him but he was just like: "wut".
lol.
Ninja was upset about staff complaints being put into the one big thread. I told him if he had complaints he could make them more productively, and maybe even work with us all to find a better solution in time. He told me that he wanted to be banned and that we're all stupid. Wish he'd have stuck around and sought out those agreeable solutions with us, but he's free to do what he will with his time :(
(http://i.imgur.com/qnLreTs.gif)
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I guess I'm kind of confused what you're trying to say. Are you asking how we can feel harassed when you guys have been supposedly more harassed? Well, I would argue that you guys weren't being abused at all and that I made sure everything was fair but it would take ages to go through every single staff decision. Perhaps you could narrow it down to one or two if you really feel like discussing that.
all I really care about is the banning people for dumb reasons thing. Once that is addressed, I will shut up, I promise. Until then, I am just about going to work any angle I can to try and get my agenda through.
I was going to pick apart the OP and go through your numbered list and explain how each one could be used to avoid any debate once you felt things get out of your control, but I am sure you get the idea without me actually doing so.
Well, I can't take care of what you're asking of me or even do much explaining of the supposed dumb reasons if you don't give me an example of some sort I'm afraid.
As to the points, I actually kinda agree that the second point is a little questionable indeed but I'm just a single person and not a robot. If 10 people come to me with complex questions, you guys just have to understand that I can't answer everything all the time. If you really feel the question is important, you can PM me it as well. If I don't respond, it's a very good indicator that I'm ignoring you and you will have to calm down before I answer you once more.
You guys also need to understand that, believe it or not, I'm just like you. I don't like sitting off in a corner like some loser at a party. I want to actually, you know, enjoy the forum that I created. I'm not here to be the next Hitler, no matter how much you may see me like that. That's all I'm gonna say. It's up to you all, of course, in terms of what you want to think.
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lol. Called it.
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2388.50
I just wonder if this is a sign that arnox is just fed up in general.
(http://i.imgur.com/43FQsvj.gif)
Constant attacks, members unable to follow simple rules, discussion of the same past topics over and over and OVER again, people insulting SpectraL/DaGuru/TDR for the 50,000th time, talking about how this site's going to fail, and freaking child porn of all things getting spammed all over the site by sick pedophiles... Yeah, you could say I'm just a little fed up.
You know, my family members and my friends wonder why I put so much effort into this site when I talk to them about it. They tell me that I'm wasting my time. That I should just shut it down. That it's a stupid drain on my time and resources...
But I'm not going to give up on you guys just like that. I didn't invest my own time and money into this just to drop it down the toilet. I will keep this site up and will do so for at least a long time. And I'm not going to start censoring the userbase unfairly. But you guys do need to understand something. This is all really beginning to grow tiresome for me. When I log in to see a bunch of the recent topics getting filled with drama threads and none of the worthy threads getting any activity at all, I see a problem. And this has been going on for a long time.
I just don't understand it... We never had this problem at totse2. Even when totse had first shut down, when everyone was devastated by its loss, we STILL did not do nearly the amount of complaining that has been going on lately. We were cool about it. We moved on and we had an awesome time with what we had. But I guess that's irrelevant now.
Maybe it's just me. Maybe I messed up somewhere. Maybe I messed up in a lot of places. I don't know. All I know is, this site is beginning to become less like how I envisioned it and more like a place I have to go to maintain and clean up every day. I try to enjoy it but it's not really there. It's piled under all the BS.
If I could get you all to understand anything, it would be to understand where I'm coming from here. Even in my everyday life, things aren't going so hot right now. So please. I'm trying to help you all as best as I can while keeping the interests of the site in mind. Please stop making my job harder than it already is.
Its you, and the userbase. You aren't at fault at all, but your expectations certainly are.
My advice: You've been doing a good job so far (despite being mormon and loving dragons). A better job than zok anyways.
Don't set your expectations too high, and don't put in too much effort. Don't burn yourself out. I feel like that's what zok did. He went all in, and then quit. Be here, but don't be obsessed with this website. Maintain your sanity and personal life above all else. This thread in itself is proof enough of that. Trying to mod every thread in the forum for drama is suicide. I get that you want quality posts, but you can not, and will not, be able to enforce that. Its something that had to evolve on its own. Yes, some moderation is needed, but if you try to babysit the entire website, you are going to have a bad time, and just rage quit or go into exile like zok did. Don't make that mistake. Chill out.
My two cents anyways.
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lol. Called it.
Heh. And so you did...
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Some of you have noticed that I've been pretty distant lately. That I'm not willing to discuss anything. I freely admit it. I have been avoiding conversation for a while. This is due in part to the fact that I have found some of you here to be unreasonable. People that I've tried to talk to at some point or another in the past but have been unsuccessful. Some moreso than others. And with repeated staff harassment, this has caused me to retreat further from any public conversation. Especially about site and staff policy.
But having had time to think, I am willing to give this one more shot for us all. So, from here on out, everyone gets a fresh start in my eyes. Any perceptions I have had about any of you in the past are gone now and I am willing to talk and discuss things with everyone, no matter who they are. (Assuming they're not currently banned of course.)
However, there are some disclaimers here.
1. If anyone starts trying to flame or harass me again, I'm going to start ignoring them until they calm down. If you want to talk and actually have a dialogue with me, you have to be civil. I'm not going to waste my time with immaturity. This goes for everything too. So if someone bans you and I get an email along the lines of "OMG y u ban me fagit u suck", prepare for silence.
2. You must accept that I may not answer your question simply because there may be too many. My staff should also be able to answer any questions as well so please feel free to talk to them too. Also, we have a site FAQ in the News sub-forum so please also check that.
And that should be it.
TL;DR - I'm willing to talk now. Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect.
How old are you? This thread seems absolutely ridiculous, why on earth do you find it necessary as the site admin to justify ignoring/punishing idiots who refuse to follow the rules? I'm not trying to bust your balls here but no one gives a fuck how they're seen by you. No one cares if you don't participate in conversation, as long as you're administrating - no - one - gives - a - fuck. You really shouldn't be posting under your admin account for anything other than 'taking care of business' anyway. It's really sad that you and your admins can't seem to manage the few retards who're trying to ruin the place. If someones not following the rules, GET RID OF THEM. Why are you begging for respect from trash? You guys need to get your shit together.
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this is the third time I have tried to post this, site keeps timing out for me.
Well, I can't take care of what you're asking of me or even do much explaining of the supposed dumb reasons if you don't give me an example of some sort I'm afraid
I asked in another thread for amnesty for bling and ninja, and for a moratorium on banning people for posting 'contentless' posts, in HB at least.
But since you stalled another day or two until you were ready to parley, the bans are over, or will be soon...I haven't seen ninja posting since his ban was lifted...he probably left, and I don't blame him.
Infinityshock, who was banned for 'posting the same things in every thread' has had some guy following him around posting the same thing to him in every thread. Ironic, yes....hilarious...yes......A stupid reason to ban someone....also yes....
There are many others who were banned for stupid reasons, these are just a few examples.
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this is the third time I have tried to post this, site keeps timing out for me.
Infinityshock, who was banned for 'posting the same things in every thread' has had some guy following him around posting the same thing to him in every thread. Ironic, yes....hilarious...yes......A stupid reason to ban someone....also yes....
There are many others who were banned for stupid reasons, these are just a few examples.
1) thats called spam 2) it is not ironic that a two spammers were banned 3) it is not stupid to ban retards who can't follow simple rules.
Seriously how many times has Infinity been banned? There should be no 'amnesty' for him. He should not be allowed back here at all. As long as you're following the rules and you're not getting banned, you need to shut the fuck up. This isn't your site and the administration can run it how they please. If you keep bitching because things aren't run like you want, you should leave.
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If you keep bitching because things aren't run like you want, you should leave.
Or, alternately, you could suck my cock....
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this is the third time I have tried to post this, site keeps timing out for me.
Well, I can't take care of what you're asking of me or even do much explaining of the supposed dumb reasons if you don't give me an example of some sort I'm afraid
I asked in another thread for amnesty for bling and ninja, and for a moratorium on banning people for posting 'contentless' posts, in HB at least.
But since you stalled another day or two until you were ready to parley, the bans are over, or will be soon...I haven't seen ninja posting since his ban was lifted...he probably left, and I don't blame him.
Infinityshock, who was banned for 'posting the same things in every thread' has had some guy following him around posting the same thing to him in every thread. Ironic, yes....hilarious...yes......A stupid reason to ban someone....also yes....
There are many others who were banned for stupid reasons, these are just a few examples.
Are you logged in for a set time?
As to the amnesty and a moratorium... Well, as you've seen, I didn't check those threads and if I did, I was ignoring such things because of the reasons stated in the OP. But it doesn't really matter anymore. The rules are going to be rewritten.
And IS, I don't know who's been following him for the same reasons.
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I'm sorry but this is about the 3rd time you've claimed a start over on discussions and every time with that you ask for everyone to restate the reasons they are upset and act ignorant to the complaints in the first place this is what leads to users being "flippant" with you
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... It's really sad that you and your admins can't seem to manage the few retards who're trying to ruin the place. If someones not following the rules, GET RID OF THEM. ...
Errr... who are teh reatrds??
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Thanks for making this thread, Arnox. For those who want to help this place to thrive and are willing to give it a shot, community discussion is a good thing.
It is evident that Arnox is willing and able to work with you all. We will continue to grow and mold as we need to, as long as you all can adapt with us to become what we need to be.
@theKit, I see no reason why an admin can't mingle with the rest of the crowd under his own name.
To all, don't be afraid to be vocal, but do so in a constructive way that will help us make this place what it needs to be.
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Arnox - You have to understand by being a Mod you will be subject to abuse.
It may sound harsh but you just have to accept it.
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This is starting to sound like a JFK speech.
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Honestly Arnox, you need to be a man about it and face it, not retreat like a coward.
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Arnox - You have to understand by being a Mod you will be subject to abuse.
It may sound harsh but you just have to accept it.
Honestly Arnox, you need to be a man about it and face it, not retreat like a coward.
When one refuses to listen on one side or the other, there is no use to be had in talk at all. Hopefully though, we can all clear the slate for each other. It's up to you all as I said though. I am open to civil discussion from now on though.
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Are you logged in for a set time?
I dont think its anything to do with the board itself, its on my end
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
This board will fail/hard.
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doing the same thing
Except we're not.
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Arnox - You have to understand by being a Mod you will be subject to abuse.
It may sound harsh but you just have to accept it.
Honestly Arnox, you need to be a man about it and face it, not retreat like a coward.
When one refuses to listen on one side or the other, there is no use to be had in talk at all. Hopefully though, we can all clear the slate for each other. It's up to you all as I said though. I am open to civil discussion from now on though.
There will be trolls on here just laugh at them and have a proper convo with the rest of us who are not totally retarded.
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There will be trolls on here just laugh at them and have a proper convo with the rest of us who are not totally retarded.
That is the plan. :tup:
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Arnox knows what's what 8)
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I like the site, I like posting here, I like the admin.
I just have one simple question, and that is this:
Why are we tolerating people posting here who post nothing but how they hate posting here? Why can't we just ban the people who don't want to be here, but can't seem to find the door by themselves?
More to the point, most of these people are suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees. You are arguing with schizophrenics, borderlines, and antisocial from all over the spectrum. Why are you even bothering?
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I like the site, I like posting here, I like the admin.
I just have one simple question, and that is this:
Why are we tolerating people posting here who post nothing but how they hate posting here? Why can't we just ban the people who don't want to be here, but can't seem to find the door by themselves?
More to the point, most of these people are suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees. You are arguing with schizophrenics, borderlines, and antisocial from all over the spectrum. Why are you even bothering?
I don't believe I am any of the last things but when I first came here from Zoklet I struggled as this place is much quieter.
But I am more settled now and I am starting to enjoy the site more and more (even though it feels like I m the only one here)
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I like the site, I like posting here, I like the admin.
I just have one simple question, and that is this:
Why are we tolerating people posting here who post nothing but how they hate posting here? Why can't we just ban the people who don't want to be here, but can't seem to find the door by themselves?
More to the point, most of these people are suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees. You are arguing with schizophrenics, borderlines, and antisocial from all over the spectrum. Why are you even bothering?
This!! +reps that was a clear cut concise way of stating the problem.
I agree 100%. It's that old adage, don't fight with stupid caz they would pull you down to their level n beat you with experience.
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Arnox, would you prefer I take you out for italian or chinese on our date?
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Ummmm....could someone explain to me exactly what the topic of discussion is here? Because all I see is people talking about "talking about things". Between this thread and the other one titled "some word on what we are doing currently"....I still can't figure out what the "members involvement" is.
All I see is more or less an announcement about the future...not a discussion as part of shaping it. And the only message I've gotten from any of it, is staff is organizing "changes" and when they do finally post them publicly we all need to select our verbiage very carefully for fear of chasing admin back into his bunker.
So what IS exactly the "community involvement/discussion" that has any meaningful relevance to these upcoming changes?
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I just have one simple question, and that is this:
Why are we tolerating people posting here who post nothing but how they hate posting here?
And I can give your simple question a simple answer, son. For one thing, you're really not qualified, or even entitled, to determine who likes posting here and who doesn't. That's nothing but a straw man. Secondly, not tolerating people who have opinions which differ from yours is basically the same as not tolerating free speech. Even a 10 year old could have probably figured that one out, but not you. Yet another good reason not to put any worth whatsoever into your senseless, hasty and ill-thought-out comments.
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
This board will fail/hard.
He still somehow thinks he can please both sides - something which can't be done. But he's determined he's going to find a way, whether it means simply agreeing with both sides without actually making any changes either way, or pulling a disappearing act with the zok-patented "I Have A Life" scenario. Either way is merely a half-assed approach to the thing. A thing like this must be met head on, decisively, with eyes a-fire, tail bushy and bullet-proof vest properly secured. All he really had to do was change the mission statement to Knowledge is Power and all the erst would have been decided for him, but he doesn't want to go that route because secretly he values quantity over quality, but he just doesn't want to admit it publicly.
Yeah, I'm brutal... but the truth is brutal. That's why nobody likes it.
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I just have one simple question, and that is this:
Why are we tolerating people posting here who post nothing but how they hate posting here?
And I can give your simple question a simple answer, son. For one thing, you're really not qualified, or even entitled, to determine who likes posting here and who doesn't. That's nothing but a straw man. Secondly, not tolerating people who have opinions which differ from yours is basically the same as not tolerating free speech. Even a 10 year old could have probably figured that one out, but not you. Yet another good reason not to put any worth whatsoever into your senseless, hasty and ill-thought-out comments.
fucking constantinople doesn't give a damn about this site, he just wants people like me and you gone from here so that he can post his pretentious, know-it-all faggotry and not be called out on it
If I wasn't such a lazy fuck I would photoshop his head onto the shaft of a dick or something.
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Ummmm....could someone explain to me exactly what the topic of discussion is here?
Please read the OP again if you're confused.
So what IS exactly the "community involvement/discussion" that has any meaningful relevance to these upcoming changes?
We're going to be posting the new rules for you guys to discuss when we've finally written them up.
... but he doesn't want to go that route because secretly he values quantity over quality...
Nope.
All he really had to do was change the mission statement to Knowledge is Power
What does knowledge have to do with site policy?
Yeah, I'm brutal... but the truth is brutal. That's why nobody likes it.
Implying you really know the truth about me.
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Arnox please address my question. Why are we allowing these people post here if they don't like it here?
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is something you are against?
No, I just saw an opportunity to get in a shot at you, so I took it.
you can be first against the wall.
you would have to have someone do it for you, I doubt you have ever even been in a 'scuffle' in your whole life.
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Implying you really know the truth about me.
You'd be very surprised if you knew what truths I know. Most truths are universal.
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Implying you really know the truth about me.
You'd be very surprised if you knew what truths I know. Most truths are universal.
No they aren't. Man you are just such a fucking try-hard fail-train it's almost unbelievable.
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I can wait all day. It's my day off.
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I can wait all day. It's my day off.
I cannot fucking stand you, I bet you are the same fucking insufferable, effeminate prick in real life that you are here.
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We're going to be posting the new rules for you guys to discuss when we've finally written them up.
So in essence nothing is going to change....you are just going to do what you want, and the only community "involvement" will be debating what you've done after the fact. Because you've already admitted you've ignored/avoided many of the complaints and suggestions that have been in multiple threads for a couple of weeks....while using the excuse of quantity or tone of users input to completely disregard them.
In essence, its a dog chasing it's tail. You'll make up rules you think are appropriate, and your only new expectation from the userbase is to talk nicer (god its lame how so much of that "niceness" is a focal point to such a degree on here considering the subject matter and personalities) to you for fear of you going back to your bunker.
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
This board will fail/hard.
He still somehow thinks he can please both sides - something which can't be done. But he's determined he's going to find a way, whether it means simply agreeing with both sides without actually making any changes either way, or pulling a disappearing act with the zok-patented "I Have A Life" scenario. Either way is merely a half-assed approach to the thing. A thing like this must be met head on, decisively, with eyes a-fire, tail bushy and bullet-proof vest properly secured. All he really had to do was change the mission statement to Knowledge is Power and all the erst would have been decided for him, but he doesn't want to go that route because secretly he values quantity over quality, but he just doesn't want to admit it publicly.
Yeah, I'm brutal... but the truth is brutal. That's why nobody likes it.
So when are you going to stop talking about how a board should be run and actually start and run a board yourself?
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I like the site, I like posting here, I like the admin.
I just have one simple question, and that is this:
Why are we tolerating people posting here who post nothing but how they hate posting here? Why can't we just ban the people who don't want to be here, but can't seem to find the door by themselves?
More to the point, most of these people are suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees. You are arguing with schizophrenics, borderlines, and antisocial from all over the spectrum. Why are you even bothering?
Please list 'those people' who you think are "suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees." Then kindly demonstrate how you've used online psychiatric analysis to come to your conclusion regarding their mental health. This will enlighten the rest of the userbase as to your methods and expedite the process of removing them, if it's deemed necessary.
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I can wait all day. It's my day off.
I cannot fucking stand you, I bet you are the same fucking insufferable, effeminate prick in real life that you are here.
If you'd like you could continue to cry about it.
I like the site, I like posting here, I like the admin.
I just have one simple question, and that is this:
Why are we tolerating people posting here who post nothing but how they hate posting here? Why can't we just ban the people who don't want to be here, but can't seem to find the door by themselves?
More to the point, most of these people are suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees. You are arguing with schizophrenics, borderlines, and antisocial from all over the spectrum. Why are you even bothering?
Please list 'those people' who you think are "suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees." Then kindly demonstrate how you've used online psychiatric analysis to come to your conclusion regarding their mental health. This will enlighten the rest of the userbase as to your methods and expedite the process of removing them, if it's deemed necessary.
I don't have to demonstrate anything to you. Believe in the validity of my post or not, it matters very little to me what you think SOTB.
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I cannot fucking stand you, I bet you are the same fucking insufferable, effeminate prick in real life that you are here.
This! Trust Fund Bitch is just a know-nothing child, that has little to zero life experience in regard to much of anything...most of his knowledge(?) is based on shit he reads (and agrees with)...not really enduring the hardships of this world. He's like the atypical yuppie student sitting in a classroom, thinking he "knows more" than your average businessman that has been out there in the real world actually DOING IT FOR REAL for several decades.
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I cannot fucking stand you, I bet you are the same fucking insufferable, effeminate prick in real life that you are here.
This! Trust Fund Bitch is just a know-nothing child, that has little to zero life experience in regard to much of anything...most of his knowledge(?) is based on shit he reads (and agrees with)...not really enduring the hardships of this world. He's like the atypical yuppie student sitting in a classroom, thinking he "knows more" than your average businessman that has been out there in the real world actually DOING IT FOR REAL for several decades.
atypical means it's unlike the typical variety.
Learn 2 english.
And then you attacked me for thinking *gasp* that you can gain knowledge from reading what much smarter people thought of before you? Are you seriously going to contend like your friend niglet that knowledge is bad?
Who the fuck are you idiots..?
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Please list 'those people' who you think are "suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees." Then kindly demonstrate how you've used online psychiatric analysis to come to your conclusion regarding their mental health. This will enlighten the rest of the userbase as to your methods and expedite the process of removing them, if it's deemed necessary.
True irony here being, if Fundie was so aghast and uptight about mingling with people with "legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees"....he would be first focusing on the fact admin modded Zek, who suffers more disorders than most. But instead he rather brownnose and asskiss to the staff, all the while worrying so much about the posters that leave him the most butthurt when they blowup his naive and ignorant mindset with such frequency no matter the topic he attempts to discuss(?) when conversing with all the big people that make him so insecure.
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Are you seriously going to contend like your friend niglet that knowledge is bad?
Who the fuck are you idiots..?
Knowledge isn't bad per se, but REAL WORLD EXPERIENCES trumps classroom rhetoric and hiding behind a book all day every day. Not even worth comparing....like talking about the "value" of oil or gold versus sand.
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Just the name alone, constantinople, conjures delusions of grandeur.
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Just the name alone, constantinople, conjures delusions of grandeur.
How is the roofing business these days slugger?
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We're going to be posting the new rules for you guys to discuss when we've finally written them up.
So in essence nothing is going to change....you are just going to do what you want, and the only community "involvement" will be debating what you've done after the fact. Because you've already admitted you've ignored/avoided many of the complaints and suggestions that have been in multiple threads for a couple of weeks....while using the excuse of quantity or tone of users input to completely disregard them.
In essence, its a dog chasing it's tail. You'll make up rules you think are appropriate, and your only new expectation from the userbase is to talk nicer (god its lame how so much of that "niceness" is a focal point to such a degree on here considering the subject matter and personalities) to you for fear of you going back to your bunker.
pretty much this^
if you're dismissing all the posts made over the weeks and months this site has been up because you can't handle the "tone" (which I've seen things presented to you in a very professional manner) on a totse based site where you yourself even talked about how flaming was a part of it on T2 and here. That in its self is a big deal and you may need to thicken your skin up if you want to run a site like this.
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Are you seriously going to contend like your friend niglet that knowledge is bad?
Who the fuck are you idiots..?
Knowledge isn't bad per se, but REAL WORLD EXPERIENCES trumps classroom rhetoric and hiding behind a book all day every day. Not even worth comparing....like talking about the "value" of oil or gold versus sand.
Reading a book is a real world experience you fucking cretin. :facepalm:
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Reading a book is a real world experience you fucking cretin. :facepalm:
quoted, for obvious reasons
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Reading a book is a real world experience you fucking cretin. :facepalm:
Possibly the most absurd, inaccurate, and moronic comment to ever come out of someone's brain in the history of humanity. Wow!!!!! 8)
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I like the site, I like posting here, I like the admin.
I just have one simple question, and that is this:
Why are we tolerating people posting here who post nothing but how they hate posting here? Why can't we just ban the people who don't want to be here, but can't seem to find the door by themselves?
More to the point, most of these people are suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees. You are arguing with schizophrenics, borderlines, and antisocial from all over the spectrum. Why are you even bothering?
Please list 'those people' who you think are "suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees." Then kindly demonstrate how you've used online psychiatric analysis to come to your conclusion regarding their mental health. This will enlighten the rest of the userbase as to your methods and expedite the process of removing them, if it's deemed necessary.
I don't have to demonstrate anything to you. Believe in the validity of my post or not, it matters very little to me what you think SOTB.
So you won't, or can't, substantiate your claims thereby rendering them invalid. Thank you for clarifying that; Arnox is now under no pressure to recognize your cries for attention as significant.
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Arnox please address my question. Why are we allowing these people post here if they don't like it here?
For the same reason countries don't kick people out just because they might not like it there. When you're running a site like this, it's sometimes not as simple as just kicking people out.
So in essence nothing is going to change....you are just going to do what you want, and the only community "involvement" will be debating what you've done after the fact. Because you've already admitted you've ignored/avoided many of the complaints and suggestions that have been in multiple threads for a couple of weeks....while using the excuse of quantity or tone of users input to completely disregard them.
In essence, its a dog chasing it's tail. You'll make up rules you think are appropriate, and your only new expectation from the userbase is to talk nicer (god its lame how so much of that "niceness" is a focal point to such a degree on here considering the subject matter and personalities) to you for fear of you going back to your bunker.
The new rules will be discussed before they are applied.
Do you want to help us make this site better and work with us or do you just want to complain and accuse?
if you're dismissing all the posts made over the weeks and months this site has been up because you can't handle the "tone" (which I've seen things presented to you in a very professional manner) on a totse based site where you yourself even talked about how flaming was a part of it on T2 and here. That in its self is a big deal and you may need to thicken your skin up if you want to run a site like this.
Except flaming should be reserved for people who actually deserve it. Who need it. If someone though is trying to be civil and isn't acting like a complete retard at all and you still flame them, then that begins to go into the realms of douchebaggery and trolling. Furthermore, one should be doing a lot more than just flaming constantly. If you doing it all the time, you're doing it wrong.
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For the same reason countries don't kick people out just because they might not like it there. When you're running a site like this, it's sometimes not as simple as just kicking people out.
constantinople wants to put us 'up against the wall'. what a fucking leftist weakling.
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Try to avoid making personal attacks and other non-productive posts. We're all friends here, right? :)
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We're all friends here, right? :)
no
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All this chitchat over what the future holds is nice and all but it remains to be seen how these new rules are applied. The last set was grossly misinterpreted with ensuing bans the result. Case in point...a modtard accusing a poster of spamming when it was plainly obvious the reason for multiple posts was an attempt to make a proper post but the sites inherent idiotic limitations were the direct reason.
Rules can be written to say anything. Its the interpretation of how the rules are enforced that will be the determining factor
Demodding the modtard street-crap was a good start. A very good start
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Try to avoid making personal attacks and other non-productive posts. We're all friends here, right? :)
This isnt the hello-kitty love fest. If anyone cant handle some internet hazing and abuse I dont want to associate with the little bitches. They shouldn't be allowed on the internet, much less allowed to register on this site
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Try to avoid making personal attacks and other non-productive posts. We're all friends here, right? :)
This isnt the hello-kitty love fest. If anyone cant handle some internet hazing and abuse I dont want to associate with the little bitches. They shouldn't be allowed on the internet, much less allowed to register on this site
By a large margin he is correct here the users on all the previous sites to this one were never running a hugbox an I'm sorry but if you think someone coming off too strong is trolling and constantly flaming an you believe that's a good enough reason to dismiss any complaints they have I see this site getting worse before it even gets close to getting in order
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I would like to know the story behind trashing this thread....a discussion about eric frein, is thrown in the trash....why?
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3645.msg48554;topicseen#msg48554
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I would like to know the story behind trashing this thread....a discussion about eric frein, is thrown in the trash....why?
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3645.msg48554;topicseen#msg48554
Theres ten other threads about him? Other than that...hell if I know
In any other reputable site the offending mod would make a post on why they took the action they did. 'This is a spam thread that had been duplicated 15 times. Locked'
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I would like to know the story behind trashing this thread....a discussion about eric frein, is thrown in the trash....why?
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3645.msg48554;topicseen#msg48554
Was posted in BLTC.
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Good to know the site will now be dominated by butthurt fags hiding behind the rules and a staff control panel. Now I know not to invest anything in it.
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didnt read / im assuming the site is getting shut down
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New Mission Statement: We like the touchy-feely environment here. Please do not hurt our tender feelings. We bruise very easily. Flame us and you'll be banned. Have a nice day.
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I would like to know the story behind trashing this thread....a discussion about eric frein, is thrown in the trash....why?
http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3645.msg48554;topicseen#msg48554
Was posted in BLTC.
I was the first one to make a thread on the topic. At least two more were created afterwards. I made a post notifying the mods they should merge the threads. It never happened
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The new rules will be discussed before they are applied.
But see, it still IS very confusing and sending a conflicting message. If you were sincere about getting "community involvement" you would start throwing out ideas and asking for the users input. Perhaps originate a thread for each issue you are reconsidering, wait a couple of days to a week for everyone to get their 2 cents in, then deliberate behind the scenes with the staff. But the fact you are taking this long with "internal discussions" before posting the new rules, makes it seem you are apparently putting significant thought and time in regard to them...with ZERO input from the members. Can't you understand the conflict?
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Try to avoid making personal attacks and other non-productive posts. We're all friends here, right? :)
No, and the fact you post such a request, is just another passive aggressive attempt at instigating things further along with wanting to rile people up.
Can this also be addressed along with these new rules? The fact you have the most active moderator that represents such an embarrassing example that is in complete conflict to the culture of this website and the kind of users that are attracted to these kinds of discussions and topics? NOBODY else on these boards thinks in this fashion....except maybe Arnox himself. Why is this wishy washy pollyanna nonsense allowed to permeate and attempt to influence how people post?
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Good to know the site will now be dominated by butthurt fags hiding behind the rules and a staff control panel. Now I know not to invest anything in it.
this
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Good to know the site will now be dominated by butthurt fags hiding behind the rules and a staff control panel. Now I know not to invest anything in it.
What do you mean? Where is this coming from?
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What do you mean? Where is this coming from?
Passive aggressive troll now plays the "stupid card" as a way to get even more attention.
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The curse of specguru strikes again...
I didn't read much past the first page, but many called it a long time ago. Arnox, despite his best efforts, is getting burnt out already because he lets the forum drama get to him. We told you it's impossible to please everybody, and as you stated in the OP: because some people here are simply unreasonable.
I didn't read the new rules, but my advice boils down to 3 points: ban people who break the rules, ban the unreasonable people who bitch and cause trouble over said bannings, and finally, stop giving a shit. That's all.
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How about this for a Fresh Start
I un-notifyed this thread but still it pops up on my list
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I didn't read much past the first page
Translation: "I haven't read this or any of the other threads to witness ALL of the people and quantity of complaints with what is wrong around here, but I'll stick my nose in the conversation any how and make a complete fool of myself with my drive-by attention span and impulsive idiocy"~~~~someone who doesn't have a fuckin clue in the least.
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TLDR
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I give this forum 6 months before Arnox closes the doors. You can see the anxiety and butthurt flowing through him already.
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I didn't read much past the first page
Translation: "I haven't read this or any of the other threads to witness ALL of the people and quantity of complaints with what is wrong around here, but I'll stick my nose in the conversation any how and make a complete fool of myself with my drive-by attention span and impulsive idiocy"~~~~someone who doesn't have a fuckin clue in the least.
Shut the fuck up idiot. There's nothing wrong with the site. The people are the problem. People like you who think someone else's site should be run by your particular warped opinions and simply cannot accept the reality that is. Rant all you want dick sneeze, I've been right about this since day 1.
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Personally I like this site more than zoklet.
It's been a rough last couple of months, but I think he can do it.
If not, please just sell the site and don't just close it down OP
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Arnox made the same mistake as Zok, in modding his e-girlfriend right away. Unfortunately for him, he mistakenly modded totse's most infamous tranny. I would feel humiliated if I were him. In fact... that's probably the real reason he's been "distant" lately. Utter humiliation.
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Arnox made the same mistake as Zok, in modding his e-girlfriend right away. Unfortunately for him, he mistakenly modded totse's most infamous tranny. I would feel humiliated if I were him. In fact... that's probably the real reason he's been "distant" lately. Utter humiliation.
Hai enter :happy:
I thought hc45 was zoklet's most infamous tranny. She literally talked about the process of going through it, then one day decided she didn't want people to know that she was a tranny, and edited every single one of her posts that referenced it.
EDIT: Also, arnox, equanimity, do not let your relationship or whatever become Zok & Wires 2. Down that path lies much faggotry. Literally, if what DaGuru and some others say is true hehe
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I like the site, I like posting here, I like the admin.
I just have one simple question, and that is this:
Why are we tolerating people posting here who post nothing but how they hate posting here? Why can't we just ban the people who don't want to be here, but can't seem to find the door by themselves?
More to the point, most of these people are suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees. You are arguing with schizophrenics, borderlines, and antisocial from all over the spectrum. Why are you even bothering?
Please list 'those people' who you think are "suffering from legitimate and severe psychiatric disorders of varying degrees." Then kindly demonstrate how you've used online psychiatric analysis to come to your conclusion regarding their mental health. This will enlighten the rest of the userbase as to your methods and expedite the process of removing them, if it's deemed necessary.
psychiatric disorder confirmed. a massive case of being a faggot.
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I didn't read much past the first page
Translation: "I haven't read this or any of the other threads to witness ALL of the people and quantity of complaints with what is wrong around here, but I'll stick my nose in the conversation any how and make a complete fool of myself with my drive-by attention span and impulsive idiocy"~~~~someone who doesn't have a fuckin clue in the least.
Shut the fuck up idiot. There's nothing wrong with the site. The people are the problem. People like you who think someone else's site should be run by your particular warped opinions and simply cannot accept the reality that is. Rant all you want dick sneeze, I've been right about this since day 1.
You're one of those closet fags who gets offended at the least little thing.. hardly BBS material. More like an anti-free-speech fail-hard with a leg up all the time. Grow a spine. Better yet, grow up.
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Good to know the site will now be dominated by butthurt fags hiding behind the rules and a staff control panel. Now I know not to invest anything in it.
Still confused here, spectral. What brought this about?
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Still confused here, spectral. What brought this about?
Why are you directing the commentary to JUST Spectral? There are SEVERAL people in this thread disgusted and embarrassed by your lovey dovey "let's make friends and hold hands" mindset. Again, the ONLY person even coming close to endorsing such a mantra is Arnox.....but NOBODY else on this website agrees with your stupid little agenda or ideology. You don't fit in. You don't belong. You are a LOUSY example of "what this place is about".
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Why are you directing the commentary to JUST Spectral? There are SEVERAL people in this thread disgusted and embarrassed by your lovey dovey "let's make friends and hold hands" mindset. Again, the ONLY person even coming close to endorsing such a mantra is Arnox.....but NOBODY else on this website agrees with your stupid little agenda or ideology. You don't fit in. You don't belong. You are a LOUSY example of "what this place is about".
you sound like a broken record.
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Why are you directing the commentary to JUST Spectral? There are SEVERAL people in this thread disgusted and embarrassed by your lovey dovey "let's make friends and hold hands" mindset. Again, the ONLY person even coming close to endorsing such a mantra is Arnox.....but NOBODY else on this website agrees with your stupid little agenda or ideology. You don't fit in. You don't belong. You are a LOUSY example of "what this place is about".
There's no need to be jealous, DaGuru; I'll hold your hand too! Am a massive hand-holding slut tbh don't tell my mom.
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Some of you have noticed that I've been pretty distant lately. That I'm not willing to discuss anything. I freely admit it. I have been avoiding conversation for a while. This is due in part to the fact that I have found some of you here to be unreasonable. People that I've tried to talk to at some point or another in the past but have been unsuccessful. Some moreso than others. And with repeated staff harassment, this has caused me to retreat further from any public conversation. Especially about site and staff policy.
But having had time to think, I am willing to give this one more shot for us all. So, from here on out, everyone gets a fresh start in my eyes. Any perceptions I have had about any of you in the past are gone now and I am willing to talk and discuss things with everyone, no matter who they are. (Assuming they're not currently banned of course.)
However, there are some disclaimers here.
1. If anyone starts trying to flame or harass me again, I'm going to start ignoring them until they calm down. If you want to talk and actually have a dialogue with me, you have to be civil. I'm not going to waste my time with immaturity. This goes for everything too. So if someone bans you and I get an email along the lines of "OMG y u ban me fagit u suck", prepare for silence.
2. You must accept that I may not answer your question simply because there may be too many. My staff should also be able to answer any questions as well so please feel free to talk to them too. Also, we have a site FAQ in the News sub-forum so please also check that.
And that should be it.
TL;DR - I'm willing to talk now. Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect.
Coudn't have said it better myself Arnox!
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you sound like a broken record.
Nah, actually the one that is the broken record is the toxic attention seeking moderator that continues to SPAM these boards with an irrelevant message hour after hour. So every time Zek spews his trolling idiocy about love, holding hands, being polite, and all the other worthless drivel....I'll be right there to attempt to balance everything out. 8)
Go focus your attention about broken records on the catalyst, not the equalizer. ;)
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Seems like this place has gotten a little better over the weekend. As far as off topic shit posts go.
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Seems like this place has gotten a little better over the weekend. As far as off topic shit posts go.
How was everything in your mom's basement this weekend?
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you sound like a broken record.
Nah, actually the one that is the broken record is the toxic attention seeking moderator that continues to SPAM these boards with an irrelevant message hour after hour. So every time Zek spews his trolling idiocy about love, holding hands, being polite, and all the other worthless drivel....I'll be right there to attempt to balance everything out. 8)
Go focus your attention about broken records on the catalyst, not the equalizer. ;)
STFU SpectraL
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I didn't read much past the first page
Translation: "I haven't read this or any of the other threads to witness ALL of the people and quantity of complaints with what is wrong around here, but I'll stick my nose in the conversation any how and make a complete fool of myself with my drive-by attention span and impulsive idiocy"~~~~someone who doesn't have a fuckin clue in the least.
Shut the fuck up idiot. There's nothing wrong with the site. The people are the problem. People like you who think someone else's site should be run by your particular warped opinions and simply cannot accept the reality that is. Rant all you want dick sneeze, I've been right about this since day 1.
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