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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2014, 07:36:55 pm »
If Lanny insists that is in fact my personal info, we can only take him on his word that it is and he should be banned for posting the private information of a member.

Yet if I were to insist it wasn't no one would believe me and with good reason. Arnox declared that no action would be taken on PI unless it was "verified". So was he lying or is my OP going to get restored?

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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2014, 07:40:17 pm »
If Lanny insists that is in fact my personal info, we can only take him on his word that it is and he should be banned for posting the private information of a member.

Yet if I were to insist it wasn't no one would believe me and with good reason. Arnox declared that no action would be taken on PI unless it was "verified". So was he lying or is my OP going to get restored?

You made the title, son. The title says, "-SpectraL's Personal Info". If that ain't a confession right there...

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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2014, 07:41:35 pm »
So you're saying arnox lied?

Also LOL at you of all people trying to insist that admitting to breaking a rule should get you a ban.

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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2014, 07:43:14 pm »
Also have you replied to the verification request? Did you tell them it was your PI? If you're posting itt then you've obviously seen it so the question is can I change my OP back?
« Last Edit: November 15, 2014, 07:52:13 pm by Lanny »

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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2014, 07:43:25 pm »
How long do we have to wait for spectral to reply before I can post that info again?

I don't understand what you're asking, sorry.  As far as I'm concerned, no RL names or addresses (fake or otherwise) should be posted here.  This simplifies things.

What happens if I post it again (doing so won't be breaking any rules)?

If I see it, it gets removed.  And please please don't :(

Since you've already verified something else is actually spectral's real name, why are you verifying this as well?

lol.

Verification doesn't seem to be the most practical approach in these cases.  What would you like to see done?  I'm trying to think of a compromise here but am coming up short.  We can either decide that all PI is off limits, or that none of it is.  Anything in between seems unfair, and malicious sharing like what happened with Zok is not okay.

I'm asking sincerely, though.  If we can come to a more agreeable solution that would be awesome.  You don't need to get yourselves banned; I'm willing to listen and work with you guys.


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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2014, 07:43:47 pm »
So you're saying arnox lied?

Also LOL at you of all people trying to insist that admitting to breaking a rule should get you a ban.

I haven't said whether Arnox did or did not lie. I merely pointed out that you yourself are admitting that is my personal info.

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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2014, 07:45:07 pm »
Oh man you guys.  I'm spending the weekend with family so sorry if it seems like I'm ignoring anyone or am slow to get stuff done.


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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2014, 07:49:29 pm »
Why did you ban RisiR but only edit Lanny's post? Did Spectral confirm that wasn't his PI?

I didn't want to ban RisiR but he kept posting that "PI" as I was trying to get things worked out with him in PMs.


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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2014, 07:51:08 pm »
How long do we have to wait for spectral to reply before I can post that info again?

I don't understand what you're asking, sorry.  As far as I'm concerned, no RL names or addresses (fake or otherwise) should be posted here.  This simplifies things.

That's not the rule though. PI, per arnox's definition, is only identifying info that pertains to people who post here. If my info doesn't identify someone who posts here then it's not against the rules. The only way you can tell that it identifies someone is if you verify (again, per arnox's edict). How long do I have to wait on the PI verification process before I can repost the info in my OP?

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Verification doesn't seem to be the most practical approach in these cases.

That's definitely true.

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What would you like to see done?  I'm trying to think of a compromise here but am coming up short.  We can either decide that all PI is off limits, or that none of it is.  Anything in between seems unfair, and malicious sharing like what happened with Zok is not okay.

I'm asking sincerely, though.  If we can come to a more agreeable solution that would be awesome.  You don't need to get yourselves banned; I'm willing to listen and work with you guys.

Well we tried all PI being off limits and it clearly didn't work out very well. Zok had very strict PI rules and it didn't keep him from getting doxxed. Let's make all PI free to be posted and just have people willing to walk away from an account if their PI is leaked. Easy.

And I really don't want people to get their PI leaked, I know it sucks, my own PI is floating around the site and that's not fun. What we can do is make it possible to delete an account, which will limit the amount of damage PI can do. I understand why arnox doesn't want to do that but it should be clear that he's putting thread coherency and SEO before the well being of people who have had their PI leaked.

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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2014, 07:54:25 pm »

Lanny wants members to be able to expose the identities of other members. Period. All his double-talk and fluff spiels amount to just that. Probably a fed of some kind. Could be a private LEO of some sort. But not many members try as hard as he does to get the identity of members up on the BBS.

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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2014, 07:57:04 pm »
Why did you ban RisiR but only edit Lanny's post? Did Spectral confirm that wasn't his PI?

I didn't want to ban RisiR but he kept posting that "PI" as I was trying to get things worked out with him in PMs.
I posted a picture of you holding your newborn child in a thread full of your PI and you didn't give a fuck.

Then I post Abdul Pakip Enis and some random bullshit and you ban me.

You have NO IDEA how to mod anything and you're a liar. Your niceness is as fake as your tits, Zek. Get fucked.
who's the judge of if its funny and or clever? the mods. period.

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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2014, 07:57:40 pm »

Lanny wants members to be able to expose the identities of other members. Period. All his double-talk and fluff spiels amount to just that. Probably a fed of some kind. Could be a private LEO of some sort. But not many members try as hard as he does to get the identity of members up on the BBS.

Except for the fact that I've never actually posted anyone's PI...

So have you confirmed or denied that my OP was your PI yet?

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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2014, 08:04:49 pm »

Lanny wants members to be able to expose the identities of other members. Period. All his double-talk and fluff spiels amount to just that. Probably a fed of some kind. Could be a private LEO of some sort. But not many members try as hard as he does to get the identity of members up on the BBS.

Except for the fact that I've never actually posted anyone's PI...

So have you confirmed or denied that my OP was your PI yet?

Not true. You've been banned for PI before, several times, in fact. Just not here. And errrr.. I think you're completely missing the point that I don't have to verify anything at all with you for you to be banned for posting my PI.

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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2014, 08:05:06 pm »
So you're saying arnox lied?

Also LOL at you of all people trying to insist that admitting to breaking a rule should get you a ban.

I haven't said whether Arnox did or did not lie. I merely pointed out that you yourself are admitting that is my personal info.
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Re: -SpectraL's PI in this thread
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2014, 08:12:12 pm »
That's not the rule though. PI, per arnox's definition, is only identifying info that pertains to people who post here. If my info doesn't identify someone who posts here then it's not against the rules. The only way you can tell that it identifies someone is if you verify (again, per arnox's edict). How long do I have to wait on the PI verification process before I can repost the info in my OP?

Instead of testing things like this to the detriment of all involved, let's just chat about this stuff and try to come to a reasonable solution.  I kinda like the democratic approach where everyone votes in the end.  You've highlighted some important issues here to be sure.

Well we tried all PI being off limits and it clearly didn't work out very well. Zok had very strict PI rules and it didn't keep him from getting doxxed. Let's make all PI free to be posted and just have people willing to walk away from an account if their PI is leaked. Easy.

And I really don't want people to get their PI leaked, I know it sucks, my own PI is floating around the site and that's not fun. What we can do is make it possible to delete an account, which will limit the amount of damage PI can do. I understand why arnox doesn't want to do that but it should be clear that he's putting thread coherency and SEO before the well being of people who have had their PI leaked.

But what about the extreme cases, like what happened to Zok?  The policies are in place to protect people from having things like that happen.  I guess you would say that it doesn't matter too much because if it gets out and people want to share it it's going to happen on some medium regardless.  But if you ask me, the fewer people involved the better.  Stuff posted here publicly is a lot different from things being shared privately.

That said, if everyone thinks the PI rule is stupid then I don't see why we couldn't change the rules and simply allow it.  My vote is that PI sharing sucks and shouldn't be allowed.  I'll talk to Arnox about this and see how he feels about polling the community and discussing things in a more official thread.

Rules are never a perfect solution, and they all bring with them problems of their own.  When a rule is worthwhile, the net benefit outweighs the net detriment.  'Course that's all subjective, but yeah.  I'd like to hear more opinions.


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