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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2085 on: November 20, 2014, 11:55:14 pm »
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"Don't give in to amazement, pay attention." "Don't try to control the trip, you will be presented with things, not determine what you see."

http://youtu.be/EZAMKn2xr9E?t=1h7m25s

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If you have smoked DMT, at any time in the past, it is possible to have a dream in which people are running around and you're checked into the mares hotel and the luggage is lost and this and that. And if in the middle of all that someone drags out a little glass pipe and hands it to you, it will happen, it will happen in the dream, not a memory, not a simulacrum, it will really happen. Well, to me that's an amazing piece of data because what it's saying is "You can do it on the nash". You may have to be dead to sleep, but still, on the nash this can be done. And the lucid dreamers, the biofeedback people, the people that claim these wonderful things you can do with sleep and dream and programming, I challenge them, teach people to have DMT dreams in their sleep, and then let's figure out how to drag that puppy into the light, at will, on the nash."

That is fascinating. Look at the lucid dream masters, and imagine being able to go to sleep every night knowing you could have an experience like this (DMT doesn't cause tolerance).

I think today will be the day. It's nice and overcast, raining, with thunder expected, yet not too cold and humid, and sunset at 5PM. I like the light levels and weather, the sound, and it will help cover any strange noises I may make.

Based on general time for peak plasma concentrations: combine psychs with following beforehand 2g phenibut (2-3hours), 2g (tried 4.8 instead) piracetam (1h), and 30mg tianeptine (2 hours beforehand). I've changed my mind about IV'ing it, I don't like needles, and since I don't know how much it may be potentiated I'm going back to my plan to vape it off foil using a candle. Cylinder shaped foil avoiding crumpling on the bottom, straw, candle placed on baking tray.
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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2086 on: November 20, 2014, 11:59:13 pm »
Good luck. I hope you'll find what you're looking for.
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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2087 on: November 21, 2014, 12:29:51 am »
Just watched the new Dumb and Dumber movie.

1. Honey Boo Boo's mom has a cameo.
2. Harry's daughter is hot as fuck.
3. The song "El Paso" is in the movie during a road trip, made me think of Breaking Bad.
4. It was not very funny, I chuckled a couple times. Not a bad movie though, better than Dumb and Dumberer.

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2088 on: November 21, 2014, 12:43:52 am »
Also LSD totally induces euphoria for me unlike mushrooms which act much more as a magnifier. I think a 'bad trip' on LSD is more of a switch, you get into that mindset and stay there. But it's rather hard to do. Mushrooms are more like a teeter totter.

But I just think your preparation is a bit much as you won't really have the luxury to utilize it if you break through.

It varies from person to person, but LSD, even by psychotherapists who extensively used it in psychedelic therapy when it was legal, is actually rated as one the psychedelics most likely to cause a bad trip, possibly second to psilocin. Newer ones (at least in terms of awareness) may beat this, like Salvia, I don't know.

Enema given after poop, as usual, empty bladder, towel, wet wipes, and bucket by bed in case I need to vomit/clean up. Also some moderate-high intensity exercise for the mood and cognition boosting effect, to get the blood flowing (including to the brain) and warm up the body.

Preparation doesn't have to be excessive. When used by MDs and PhDs, like the author of "The Spirit Molecule" or Stanislav Grof, preparation was much more intensive, taking days, if not weeks. Longer if you count the time the patient first decided they were going to attempt psychedelic therapy.

I'm gradually killing myself with this constant rage and venom inside me

I recall a quote that giving in to hatred is like trying to kill an enemy by drinking poison. It really is. I'm trying to change the habits of my mind, stop being so angry and hateful, even towards humans I feel deserve it, to let go of the past and even consider trying to see the good in people, what they can offer you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_30JzRGDHI

I'm planning to read his book on happiness, people really do seem to be able to achieve incredible things if they put the effort in. Hardly anyone is, though. Willing to develop the discipline and understanding, and consistently do it without becoming discouraged and giving up even though it will take months or even years to really see a large difference.

I remember (from memory, this won't be fully accurate, but close enough) reading that Bob Ross used to be a drill instructor in the army who would constantly yell at people and was a very angry person, and at some point in his life he decided that he never wanted to be that way again.

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2089 on: November 21, 2014, 02:02:21 am »
Reading some interesting reports on DMT and anxiolytics. Unlike other psychedelics, which are consistently aborted by drugs like xanax and etizolam, this may not occur with DMT. Interesting reports. Some say it can weaken the trip, make it "shallower", or slow it down. There's also the problem of retrograde amnesia, and DMT trips are generally hard to remember to begin with. Some piracetam may counter this, but I'm not sure how it interacts with DMT.

Surprisingly few reports and little information for some of the things I've searched for. I know how to search well, filter results for message board posts.

I'm not over thinking it or fixating on anything, although I should have done enough reading that I felt satisfied before this. Some meditation and then it's time.

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2090 on: November 21, 2014, 02:08:58 am »
You tripping alone? I thought you were always supposed to do a first experience with a guide or some shit. Guess that's hard to do when you're in full hiki mode

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2091 on: November 21, 2014, 02:34:27 am »
Tripping alone is way better

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2092 on: November 21, 2014, 02:37:33 am »
You tripping alone? I thought you were always supposed to do a first experience with a guide or some shit. Guess that's hard to do when you're in full hiki mode
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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2093 on: November 21, 2014, 04:57:45 am »
You don't really need a sitter for dmt past not dropping your pieces. Too far removed from reality for that shit.
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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2094 on: November 21, 2014, 04:59:25 am »
Also malice you put far too much of yourself into this experience.
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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2095 on: November 21, 2014, 05:09:24 am »
You don't really need a sitter for dmt past not dropping your pieces. Too far removed from reality for that shit.


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« Reply #2096 on: November 21, 2014, 07:46:34 am »
You tripping alone? I thought you were always supposed to do a first experience with a guide or some shit. Guess that's hard to do when you're in full hiki mode

Heh, full hiki is pretty accurate, except I'm not afraid of going outside, I just don't like it. I won't deny that my behavior in the past, which fluctuates, has definitely been indicative of some level of irrational agoraphobia. Or maybe it is rational if the discomfort caused is so great that it outweighs the benefit, ignoring whether the cause of the feelings of discomfort, whether they're irrational (biological) and can be changed.

Setting is easy, it's setting the set that can be time consuming. Managed to procrastinate enough to do the DMT 4 hours after I had planned to, until around 10/10:30. Did have good meditation sessions to prepare, though. I rarely attempt to meditate and have generally seen it as a waste of time, usually simply making me sleepy and not being an optimal technique for me to think.

Prepare the environment, plan everything out, beforehand.

Put aside your emotional problems and problems in life (ayahuasca would be better suited for confronting them). Work through them, identify solutions, realize they're not as significant/major as they can feel. Reflect on how biological responses can be disproportional to the actual threat. Example: Sky diving. When done properly, proper precautions, training, and good equipment/personnel, the risk is so small as to not be worth the worry, rationally. On the other hand, you're faced with the reality that you're jumping out of a plane thousands of feet in the air moving at around 100mph when you jump out, faster at other times, with fear of heights, of being in danger of falling from a dangerous height, is a very ingrained primal instinct, and without the requisites for surviving, this act would normally kill you.
 
Go through the general steps of a trip in your mind. Do not attempt to fight in or control it, almost as if it is being presented to you from something external. Become lost in awe and wonder if you have the opportunity or it is granted to you from entities who may be in your environment, but remain aware and pay attention when needed. What is occurring in your mind cannot physically harm you (ignoring insignificant damage caused by the biological cascade of emotions and unlikely scenarios like a medical crisis stemming from it). Remember that many have gone what you've gone through, worse experiences than you may have, many questioning their sanity at times. Recognize if you've developed a feeling of being alienated from your emotions, whether you've developed a distorted view of them and overreact to some things that are simply part of normal human experience, that emotions are natural things and you can simply allow them to wash over you. As ArmsMerchant said, "Pain is a part of life, suffering is natural." Certain things, ideas and concepts, do not intrinsically contain emotional connotations, it is your perception of them, your judgement, that exerts them. Your judgment, stemming from a flawed and limited biological vessel, may be incorrect, flawed.  Think about what you want to see and gain from it.
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The sole worry of Haruhi, who looked like she didn't have a worry in the world, could be summed up with the words “the world was too normal.”
For me I thought about how the mundane and repugnant world, how my dissatisfaction with life, could be changed by experiencing something that would reinvoke a sense of wonder and awe, a yearning for life, a feeling of excitement. How certain things should give that feeling, yet don't due to biological depression and possibly worldview.

Once that is dealt with, and hopefully you have gotten over apprehension of administering the DMT, the thought that came to mind, that I recalled from a part of a video with Terrance McKenna discussing DMT, was "The carnival has come to town." "Enjoy the carnival" is how I would introduce it.

I was on so many drugs. Phenibut, piracetam, parnate, a low dose of etizolam, tianeptine. So many things that could interact with it. Smoked a bit of pot before it too because I thought it might help because it has a positive effect on mood, but it may have contributed to feeling

I recalled McKenna talking about how, for him, it doesn't change how he feels, unlike other drugs. He was still functioning as the same person with the same qualities. I think I may have been able to stop the effects due to needing to work out this problem.

I'm afraid I may genuinely qualify for disorganized schizophrenia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorganized_schizophrenia
Sluggish cognitive tempo, avolition, anhedonia, lack of interest and focus, mindfulness, disorganization and poverty of thought, and why, to the extent that they may account for them (as opposed to biological changes), I had developed some habits, habits of behavior. I was reminded of the part where McKenna talked about DMT's possible role in initiating the dream state, and how I felt sleepy, although part of the reason may have been my good sleep hygiene and the bed triggering a strong response. I had taken a hit and laid back multiple times, and recalled how in a Zoklet thread about DMT I had found via a google site: search, and viewed through google/wayback's cache/archive, someone had said not to bother taking more hits after x time due to tolerance developing rapidly. Although the author of the spirit molecule says tolerance doesn't develop, but I don't know if this is also true during a short time span. I thought "If you're wondering if you've broken through, and are still able to administer more without hallucinations and significant incoordination, you haven't". I also should have used more than one layer of foil because it ending up having a hole and I don't know how much of the DMT may have been lost, whether I had combusted it or not inhaled most of the vapor. Should have used a simpler, flatter, design, and two layers of foil.

I had no problem holding in the vapor, and enjoyed the feeling of the onset, which created a positive expectation for the trip. A good psychedelic buzz that comes on very fast compared to most psychs.

Afterward I very finely powdered some anhydrous caffeine and snorted it, plugged my second daily dose of parnate, which causes significant dopamine and, particularly for me, norepinephrine release, which tends to cause significant anxiety, and inhaled some nicotine, took about .5 of phenibut to stall any possible comedown, and more piracetam, since it had been a while since I had consumed them last, due to my procrastination. I also turned on a 6500k 45w CFL I use in a light alarm setup, since it triggers a powerful response. I wanted to increase wakefulness so I could try again, which was an issue. Also have "Robot Unicorn Attack: Heavy Metal" in a tab to play before the trip in order to effect mood. I noticed feeling somewhat high after around 20 minutes of administration of parnate, when I usually feel the effects, and checked my pupils to find that they were more dilated. The fresh infusion of and MAOI may have interacted with residual DMT in my body. I also noticed significant forgetfulness, air headedness, and a notable mood boost/antidepressant effect. Blood pressure was a bit high when I checked it after giving all drugs enough time to kick in, may have felt a bit of strain due to being in the hypertension range, but still far below crisis level. With my good health and adaption from weight training, which can cause enormous momentary spikes in blood pressure (I recall Rippetoe mentioning a figure in the 400s, and often get burst capillaries on my neck and around my eyes from heavy deadlifts and squats), this should be no concern. Felt a bit dehydrated. Now I'll see how nicotine and caffeine may influence the trip, if I end up going through with it. It would probably be best to try to get some sleep, but I already took the stimulants. The parnate may make breaking through easier if acute effects have a significant influence. Hopefully I won't die or go insane, but clearly my behavior shows a lowered concern for preserving my life and well being.

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2097 on: November 21, 2014, 02:42:22 pm »
You tripping alone? I thought you were always supposed to do a first experience with a guide or some shit. Guess that's hard to do when you're in full hiki mode

First time I did acid I did 300ug and walked 2 miles to town (and then 2 miles back) in the pitch black by a main road with a forest on the other side to get some smoke and I was ite.

Trip sitters are for faggots.

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« Reply #2098 on: November 21, 2014, 04:07:47 pm »
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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #2099 on: November 22, 2014, 12:52:58 am »
GO TO YOUR ROOM AND START ON THAT DMT, IT'D BETTER BE GONE BY THE TIME I GET HOME