Transexual

[equanimity]

My cats are all older.  I want kittens again and really have to stop myself from making that plunge because 3 cats is enough for one person to have I guess.  There's a fine line between pet owner and crazy cat lady

[RisiR]

*Crazy cat dude with tiny boobs

Did you infract yourself for the spam?

[Slave of the Beast]

Thank you for demonstrating my point. Sex is biological but gender is a social construct; putting on a skirt doesn't require hormone treatment, brain surgery or any other waste of tax payers' money.

Damn, I could really do with a free back massage right now.

Gender is a psychosocial phenomenon straddling the concepts of gender identity and gender roles.

I don't speak SJW psychobabble. Here's the definition most sane humans work by:

gender/ˈdʒɛndə/
noun

1.the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

Therefore your problem with gender can be fixed by wearing a whorish skirt and some garishly applied lip stick. Which is the warped concept of feminimity many trannies appear to have. The only surgery I would consider approving spending public money on would be castration, preferably before you've had the chance to breed.

[equanimity]

I don't speak SJW psychobabble. Here's the definition most sane humans work by:

gender/ˈdʒɛndə/
noun

1.the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

My psych textbook says psychosocial.  But how we choose to define gender does absolutely nothing to change reality.

Therefore your problem with gender can be fixed by wearing a whorish skirt and some garishly applied lip stick. Which is the warped concept of feminimity many trannies appear to have. The only surgery I would consider approving spending public money on would be castration, preferably before you've had the chance to breed.

You get caught up in the definitions of words a lot, I've noticed.  Even after I explain I was writing with a different definition in mind you're stuck on it.  Just pretend I had written gender identity as opposed to gender, okay?

Are you talking about me, specifically?  Transgender is one of those umbrella terms.  What I experience is called transsexualism, a category under the transgender umbrella.  It's not my favorite word, transsexualism.  Lots of negative connotations.  For you though, it's the right word to keep in mind.

[Slave of the Beast]

I don't speak SJW psychobabble. Here's the definition most sane humans work by:

gender/ˈdʒɛndə/
noun

1.the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

My psych textbook says psychosocial.  But how we choose to define gender does absolutely nothing to change reality.

It defines which particular aspect of reality you're talking about. As far as I'm concerned we're still discussing playing 'gendered' dress-up, not sexual biology.

Therefore your problem with gender can be fixed by wearing a whorish skirt and some garishly applied lip stick. Which is the warped concept of feminimity many trannies appear to have. The only surgery I would consider approving spending public money on would be castration, preferably before you've had the chance to breed.

You get caught up in the definitions of words a lot, I've noticed.  Even after I explain I was writing with a different definition in mind you're stuck on it.  Just pretend I had written gender identity as opposed to gender, okay?

I find defining what is being discussed to be... fairly important... in a discussion.

The alternative is spewing gibberish. It's your choice.

Are you talking about me, specifically?  Transgender is one of those umbrella terms.  What I experience is called transsexualism, a category under the transgender umbrella.  It's not my favorite word, transsexualism.  Lots of negative connotations.  For you though, it's the right word to keep in mind.

You are genetically male. Everything else is a figment of your mental illness.

[Spectre]

You are genetically male. Everything else is a figment of your mental illness.

this is the meat and potatoes of the argument here in that you are born with the genetic make up of a male to claim you are not in fact male denotes and mental imbalance therefore an illness in an otherwise healthy body that has developed along the way it was supposed to correctly due to genetic makeup

[equanimity]

What mental illness, exactly?  How would it be treated?

[Slave of the Beast]

What mental illness, exactly?  How would it be treated?

If someone thinks they're a unicorn, you find a way of convincing them otherwise.

You do not try turning them into a unicorn.

[Spectre]

What mental illness, exactly?  How would it be treated?

Body Dysmorphic Disorder would be a key contender probably with others related to depression and personality affecting syndromes.

Generally therapy would be a good start for most people with these issues as treating the causes of their insecurities and roots of depression would probably have a greater result then enabling them to take courses of actions that are non reversible and do nothing to treat the underlying issues of depression and self doubt commonly found in most transsexuals

essentially this

If someone thinks they're a unicorn, you find a way of convincing them otherwise.

You do not try turning them into a unicorn.

[equanimity]

What mental illness, exactly?  How would it be treated?

If someone thinks they're a unicorn, you find a way of convincing them otherwise.

You do not try turning them into a unicorn.

This is a relatively common occurrence that has existed throughout history and across different cultures.  And biological factors are believed to cause it, in many cases.  To compare it to believing you're a unicorn is ridiculous.  There is even evidence suggesting there are biological differences between the brains of transsexual individuals and those of not-transsexuals.

Real mental disorders are largely treatable with medication and psychological therapy.  "Transsexual reparative therapy" is now known to be damaging to transsexuals, and often those cases result in self-hatred and suicide.  What treatment could there possibly be?

Body Dysmorphic Disorder would be a key contender probably with others related to depression and personality affecting syndromes.

Generally therapy would be a good start for most people with these issues as treating the causes of their insecurities and roots of depression would probably have a greater result then enabling them to take courses of actions that are non reversible and do nothing to treat the underlying issues of depression and self doubt commonly found in most transsexuals

Therapy is a good start, and therapists can help people sort out their feelings about their gender identity.  In cases of transsexualism, this generally leads to hormone therapy and possibly surgery.

[Spectre]

What mental illness, exactly?  How would it be treated?

If someone thinks they're a unicorn, you find a way of convincing them otherwise.

You do not try turning them into a unicorn.

This is a relatively common occurrence that has existed throughout history and across different cultures.  And biological factors are believed to cause it, in many cases.  To compare it to believing you're a unicorn is ridiculous.  There is even evidence suggesting there are biological differences between the brains of transsexual individuals and those of not-transsexuals.

Real mental disorders are largely treatable with medication and psychological therapy.  "Transsexual reparative therapy" is now known to be damaging to transsexuals, and often those cases result in self-hatred and suicide.  What treatment could there possibly be?

Body Dysmorphic Disorder would be a key contender probably with others related to depression and personality affecting syndromes.

Generally therapy would be a good start for most people with these issues as treating the causes of their insecurities and roots of depression would probably have a greater result then enabling them to take courses of actions that are non reversible and do nothing to treat the underlying issues of depression and self doubt commonly found in most transsexuals

Therapy is a good start, and therapists can help people sort out their feelings about their gender identity.  In cases of transsexuals, this generally leads to hormone therapy and possibly surgery.

you keep bringing up gender identity but that's a totally different issue that deserves its own thread because to get into the lunacy around that is outrageous in and of itself

Genetically you are male if your thoughts are leading you to believe you are not male you have a disorder along the lines of people with eating disorders and other forms of body Dysmorphisms you simply are not a woman and will never be a woman on a genetic or biological level and it does more harm to peoples psyches and that is shown by how most transsexuals cannot handle the mood swings brought on by hormone therapy or the issues they have with their bodies after surgery what I said earlier is still true most transsexuals who have suicidal depression before transition are not helped in any way by the transition a lot of them still commit suicide

I am sorry but if you are born with the genetic make up of a man or a woman you are a man or a woman and to claim you are not shows a level of cognitive dissonance closely connected to mental illness

[equanimity]

you keep bringing up gender identity but that's a totally different issue that deserves its own thread because to get into the lunacy around that is outrageous in and of itself

Genetically you are male if your thoughts are leading you to believe you are not male you have a disorder along the lines of people with eating disorders and other forms of body Dysmorphisms you simply are not a woman and will never be a woman on a genetic or biological level and it does more harm to peoples psyches and that is shown by how most transsexuals cannot handle the mood swings brought on by hormone therapy or the issues they have with their bodies after surgery what I said earlier is still true most transsexuals who have suicidal depression before transition are not helped in any way by the transition a lot of them still commit suicide

I am sorry but if you are born with the genetic make up of a man or a woman you are a man or a woman and to claim you are not shows a level of cognitive dissonance closely connected to mental illness

Maybe some future revelation in the study of psychology will prove you right, but based on what evidence we have now this is untrue.  It's a shame that so many people believe this without even considering the evidence, as it breeds bigotry and discrimination.

It's not easy being transgendered.  Even without the social stigma it would suck pretty hard.

[Spectre]

you keep bringing up gender identity but that's a totally different issue that deserves its own thread because to get into the lunacy around that is outrageous in and of itself

Genetically you are male if your thoughts are leading you to believe you are not male you have a disorder along the lines of people with eating disorders and other forms of body Dysmorphisms you simply are not a woman and will never be a woman on a genetic or biological level and it does more harm to peoples psyches and that is shown by how most transsexuals cannot handle the mood swings brought on by hormone therapy or the issues they have with their bodies after surgery what I said earlier is still true most transsexuals who have suicidal depression before transition are not helped in any way by the transition a lot of them still commit suicide

I am sorry but if you are born with the genetic make up of a man or a woman you are a man or a woman and to claim you are not shows a level of cognitive dissonance closely connected to mental illness

Maybe some future revelation in the study of psychology will prove you right, but based on what evidence we have now this is untrue.  It's a shame that so many people believe this without even considering the evidence, as it breeds bigotry and discrimination.

It's not easy being transgendered.  Even without the social stigma it would suck pretty hard.

this is where the whole transgender argument falls apart it isn't about your feelings it is factually disingenuous to not call it a disorder the evidence now points to larger psychological issues especially related to BDD even Gender Dysmorphic disorders. The thing telling someone they are the wrong sex is brain chemistry apart from that their genetic makeup is that of what they were born with you are no more a woman than I am a black man or a Chinese person and to suggest someone can choose their genetic makeup cause they feel like it is plain flat out ignorant of biology and human physiology.

[equanimity]

uh.  no...

[Spectre]

uh.  no...

I'm sorry you are right there are literally no differences between males and females that cannot be addressed with surgery. /s

you are biologically and physiologically not a woman you can not become a woman through hormones and COSMETIC surgery it's the equivalent of extreme dress up