CNN: Girl Comitting Suicide

[komokazi]

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[starvingniglet]

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I had like 65 per day on my other account

[equanimity]

RisiR has been the voice of reason in this thread.

I feel dirty for saying that.

[RisiR]

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Nice try dodging the questions directed at you, faggot.

 

The selfishness argument is hypocritical, why is it more selfish to end your life and unfortunately possibly hurt the emotions of others, which you have no control over, than it is to expect someone to potentially live the rest of their life in horrendous physical or psychological torment? Why aren't you the selfish one for expecting them to keep suffering just to spare your feelings? Have you ever thought of that?

Is it also wrong to "force"  a vetenarian to put down dogs, cats and other pets? Is that wrong, too?

[John Smith]

So why not interview someone who wants to die who can't do it themselves? Ill tell you why, because CNN sees a perfectly able bodied young woman with whom they can make a 'beautiful little story' with pictures and dreams and blah blah bullshit out of when in reality, the people who need these laws are stuck in bed, attached to machines, paralyzed, old and decrepit.

Poster girls. Movements need a pretty face. It's a strategic decision or natural outcome that comes about based on human psychology, shaped by evolutionary pressures. The kinds of people you mentioned aren't going to make very good interview subjects, have limited mobility, and will depress people, which may be a less effective strategy.

That's life, not everyone is like you, not everyone is the way you'd like them to ideally be.

[Prometheus]

God damn I thought that we as a society would have settled this by now. I live in the same area that Kevorkian operated out of. I actually met the man just walking down the street once.

Kevorkian had it right, he was helping people who were incapable of ending their lives themselves. Most were elderly enough to not even know what a google is, all were terminal and suffering. The one person he got convicted on was so weak they couldn't even push the button on the suicide machine themselves. He was very cautious about choosing patients that were clear headed and could make a rational decision, not just depressed and wanting it to be over.

The Hippocratic oath includes "first, do no harm," but at what point is forcing someone to live the more harmful action?

I absolutely support a person's right to commit a medically assisted suicide, and I also think that a prerequisite should be a psychological evaluation to determine that the person is capable of making the decision.


I have a friend who has tried to kill himself a couple of times. Thank [insert deity here] that he's a fuckup, and failed both times. But if he was suffering and terminal, I'd be first in line to help him get it right.

[RisiR]

I have a friend who has tried to kill himself a couple of times. Thank [insert deity here] that he's a fuckup, and failed both times. But if he was suffering and terminal, I'd be first in line to help him get it right.

I'd say a person who tries to end their life on two occassions is suffering. Y'know, I think the reason is secundary. When you are depressed and suicidal you're not automatically a whiny pussy who is too weak for life. I have clinical depression and am suicidal for example. I'm not a bitch, though. I know bad days, I know the loss of loved ones, I know physical illness and pain. I know that's life that's why I can say being depressed is not having a bad day or grief. It's not being too weak to handle the toughness of life - I've been through all of that shit like everyone else - It's living life with all of it's hardships and an immunity to derive pleasure from anything on the good side of life. Sometimes to the point where you completely forget that there's a good side at all. And that's when you just want to end it all. It doesn't matter what caused the final decision. Maybe it is heartbreak, grief or weakness, maybe it's just a rainy day. It doesn't matter what causes you too lose sight of the good side but once it's gone you need to be tougher than nails to stay in this shit, I can tell you that.

[equanimity]

I have a friend who has tried to kill himself a couple of times. Thank [insert deity here] that he's a fuckup, and failed both times. But if he was suffering and terminal, I'd be first in line to help him get it right.

I'd say a person who tries to end their life on two occassions is suffering. Y'know, I think the reason is secundary. When you are depressed and suicidal you're not automatically a whiny pussy who is too weak for life. I have clinical depression and am suicidal for example. I'm not a bitch, though. I know bad days, I know the loss of loved ones, I know physical illness and pain. I know that's life that's why I can say being depressed is not having a bad day or grief. It's not being too weak to handle the toughness of life - I've been through all of that shit like everyone else - It's living life with all of it's hardships and an immunity to derive pleasure from anything on the good side of life. Sometimes to the point where you completely forget that there's a good side at all. And that's when you just want to end it all. It doesn't matter what caused the final decision. Maybe it is heartbreak, grief or weakness, maybe it's just a rainy day. It doesn't matter what causes you too lose sight of the good side but once it's gone you need to be tougher than nails to stay in this shit, I can tell you that.

Wow RisiR.  You really get it.

[RisiR]

Thank you but in this special case I'd rather not understand it if you get what I mean.

[Slave of the Beast]

I'd say a person who tries to end their life on two occassions is suffering.

How many times must someone attempt suicide before they just become a fucking nuisance?

I once had an acquaintance at school who by the time he reached 15 was claiming on a more-or-less monthly basis that he 'tried to commit sucide over the weekend'. After four months of his bullshit I accused him of being incompetent and advised him on the most effective way of killing himself painlessly with a 100% chance of dying if performed correctly. He got really upset and didn't speak to me after that. I was so glad, from my point of view it was almost as good as if he'd finally killed himself.

[RisiR]

I'd say a person who tries to end their life on two occassions is suffering.

How many times must someone attempt suicide before they just become a fucking nuisance?

I once had an acquaintance at school who by the time he reached 15 was claiming on a more-or-less monthly basis that he 'tried to commit sucide over the weekend'. After four months of his bullshit I accused him of being incompetent and advised him on the most effective way of killing himself painlessly with a 100% chance of dying if performed correctly. He got really upset and didn't speak to me after that. I was so glad, from my point of view it was almost as good as if he'd finally killed himself.

I think it's wrong to generalize whole groups of people so I don't know. I mean most people are idiots, depressed or not. If you fail a suicide attempt and talk about it casually you're a fucking idiot.

If you fail more than two times with the same method you're probably not the brightest, either.

Now that I think of it none of the smart people I know who off'ed themselves failed their attempts. Hmmm...

[equanimity]

One of the smartest people I've known failed at least 2 attempts before managing to "get it right".

[RisiR]

There's always the exception to the rule.

[Slave of the Beast]

One of the smartest people I've known failed at least 2 attempts before managing to "get it right".

Well, that's relative intelligence for you.

[Prometheus]

It was two different methods. The first time he cut his wrists, but apparently no one ever told him that 'it's down the road, not across the street'. The second time he put a knife to his chest and ran into a wall. Actually nicked his heart.