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Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« on: October 03, 2014, 02:17:04 pm »
I am pretty fed up with the way the world works. I am forced to go to school and learn bullshit that doesnt intrest me so I can earn money and be   "succesful". Since the world is all about getting more that means I cannot live life the way I want, I have the play the game even to buy food and survive.

If we lived a hunter gatherer life however I would be able to focus on what I want to learn, and have individual worth. No longer would I be valued at how society thinks I fit in, I would be valued at how I want to be valued. We wouldnt have evolved anywhere near the speed we have now, buy slowly and surely we would have evolved.

My problem is however, if the agricultaral revolution never occured than my life wouldnt be as fuffiling. While I dont get 8 hours a day to dick around like prehistoric humans, every day from 6 to ten and on weekends I get to listen to music that effects me emotionally, carry out relationships, and use synthetic drugs that change my consciousness. None of this would have come to pass if the AR hadnt occured.

any thoughts? The AR has killed much creativity, stunted individuality, and created a shit life dor many people, but it has given the few hours of off time we do have much more meaning I think.
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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2014, 02:57:25 pm »
Nothing is good or bad.
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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 04:12:02 pm »
Ehhh I guess but some choices can be better or worse than others
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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 04:22:28 pm »
Im not sure what your definition of the agricultural revolution was since there really hasnt been one, in comparison to the industrial one.

Is it back thousands of years ago when hunter-gatherers decided to start planting things intentionally instead of looking around for them? Or back when the farmer class was made responsible for growing/raising food for others who did differetasks? Or back when heavy machinery made it possible to grow shit in a manner that reduced man-hours of labor to nearly nothing?

Either way...if it weren't for the way food is produced in modern times, everyone but the societal rulers would be out in the fields,  before the sun came up and after the sun set, either tending animals or playing with the crops

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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2014, 04:55:59 pm »
Jared Diamond says it was the worst mistake in the history of the human race, but I'm more inclined towards optimism. I don't think the world doesn't currently suck at least in some ways because of it, but I think the population dynamics of subtypes of people (think personality and neurodiversity as opposed to race) will eventually be restored to a ratio resembling that from before the revolution. It'll be violent... Ag is great for feeding armies while providing no incentive to slow population growth, and the economic system that arose with ag will be at stake. A bit of devolution is called for at that point.

This is what it's looked like leading up to this point:
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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 04:59:06 pm »
That analysis is flawed because it doesnt take into consideration other factors, not the least of which is the current state of technology that must be supported with massive amounts of man-hours to keep it functioning. This wouldn't be possible with an agricultural based economy

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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 05:17:19 pm »
By agricultaral revolution I do mean back when humans started planting stuff, which in turn created class systems and wealth and cities, ect.

And I have read the jared diamond article. The most interesting part in my opinion is him talking about early humans health. I wonder if we are healthier today, we do have modern medicine but lots of medicine wouldnt be needed if cities werent built.
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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2014, 08:36:34 pm »
By agricultaral revolution I do mean back when humans started planting stuff, which in turn created class systems and wealth and cities, ect.
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Do you have a forest where you live? Yea? Ok, go there without... well anything. Try to catch something to eat and make cloth of. Try to survive for one weekend.

That would be your life without that agricultural revolution. The class systems were also a thing before that revolution took place. The best hunter had the most food and fucked the most chicks.
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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2014, 10:14:44 pm »
By agricultaral revolution I do mean back when humans started planting stuff, which in turn created class systems and wealth and cities, ect.

And I have read the jared diamond article. The most interesting part in my opinion is him talking about early humans health. I wonder if we are healthier today, we do have modern medicine but lots of medicine wouldnt be needed if cities werent built.

Class systems exist regardless of the agricultural or cultural systems. Classes exist due to basic human nature and are present in every culture

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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2014, 10:25:11 pm »
Ehh I guess complex class systems would be a better term than to get my point across.
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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2014, 10:29:20 pm »
Ehh I guess complex class systems would be a better term than to get my point across.

There doesnt need to be a complex system. It starts out simple....the peons and the rulers. Eventually the rulers need loyal supporters so they elevate some peons at which point it spirals out of control into a complex system of the rulers and the slaves

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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2014, 11:32:04 pm »
Nothing is good or bad.

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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2014, 02:19:24 am »
I think the main problem is we become too dependent to the system.
The agriculture itself is not the problem, we turn into agriculture because the hunter society cannot support many people.

Sure, at an older time hunting can solve most food problem in very small tribes and we don't actually have to hunt everyday because hunted animals are more common than today so there are moments where hunted food can actually last for a couple of days. You can smoke the meat and store it for later.

Now, more people means more food and more lands. Technology solves most of this problem but they require capital and instead of fully giving everything for humanity they put a price tag for it and force everyone to pay it for double. Our current society are actually capable of self sustaining with energy and food for everyone but the liberty is still being hold for higher class.

There are many proposed methods for this, basic income for example ensured that everyone get everything they need for survival, food, shelter, health care and even internet, so they can invest their time in something that truly matter. The method has been tried in several cities and have a desirable result but still the main problem with basic income is the political message that tends to more aligned to socialism.
 
Other methods will be something like having a self sustained home, solar panel for electricity, permaculture for foods, etc, there are people that has try this and I heard there's even an entire community dedicated for this but the main reason still lies back in the system. The land still belonged to the system and doing this means most of the time you are not in the regulations. The only way this could be possible is if we are in space age and have self sustaining spaceship.
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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2014, 02:46:13 am »
For some reason I hate tryhard pseudo, sudo, sudio intellectual threads like this worse than the most frivolous shitpost. Like, what was even the point?

"Human development has some unforseen side effects that are seen in retrospect"
 "lets discuss this like its incendiary and important and pretend they were important enough to hold back our own fucking species"
 "I just took an anthropology class because I don't know how to treat things quantitatively and I don't know what I really like but I realized a little while ago that I'm a human so I'll go with that, lol"

Look, the fagricultural ron paul revolution obviously happened and was objectively a good thing. Maybe a hundred trillion people died but kafillian trillions will have exponentially higher standards of living and our species advanced as a result. The alternative is to go against progress which is objectively retarded.

This thread is stupid and it baited stupid people into posting in it seriously. Fucking christ, go live in a forest and get choked to death by a rabbit you weak fucking affirmative action sperm

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Re: Was the agricultural revolution really a good thing?
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2014, 02:49:15 am »
For some reason I hate tryhard pseudo, sudo, sudio intellectual threads like this worse than the most frivolous shitpost. Like, what was even the point?

"Human development has some unforseen side effects that are seen in retrospect"
 "lets discuss this like its incendiary and important and pretend they were important enough to hold back our own fucking species"
 "I just took an anthropology class because I don't know how to treat things quantitatively and I don't know what I really like but I realized a little while ago that I'm a human so I'll go with that, lol"

Look, the fagricultural ron paul revolution obviously happened and was objectively a good thing. Maybe a hundred trillion people died but kafillian trillions will have exponentially higher standards of living and our species advanced as a result. The alternative is to go against progress which is objectively retarded.

This thread is stupid and it baited stupid people into posting in it seriously. Fucking christ, go live in a forest and get choked to death by a rabbit you weak fucking affirmative action sperm
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