How do you safely use opioids if you use benzos?

[splooge gook]

Is there a way to estimate an equivalency between the anxiolytic potency of alcohol and benzos? i know they give valium to alcoholics so that they don't get delirium tremens, but if one could made an estimation that say, 1 standard drink ~= 10mg of valium, it might be effective to apply a slow valium taper to chronic alcoholics. i think the fact that valium can be reduced a single milligram at a time would definitely lower the relapse rates in alcoholics, and have them slowly emerge into normalcy, rather than getting bored after DTs and chugging listerine/eating a million billion prozac/huffing raid in a fedora for "kicks"

[DietCoke]

I don't know though, I mean 2mg makes me functional. Tbh I don't really even feel it that much. Not sedated, not high. Like I said, I just have a really high preexisting tolerance and I have no plans of getting off it. Why the fuck would I? I can actually have conversations/relationships with people now. But no, how dare I be allowed to live a semi-normal life with genuine social connections? Im not coming off the benzos guys lol. I might switch to klonopin/valium/some other benzo, but im not coming off. THAT would be the end of me.

[equanimity]

I don't know though, I mean 2mg makes me functional. Tbh I don't really even feel it that much. Not sedated, not high. Like I said, I just have a really high preexisting tolerance and I have no plans of getting off it. Why the fuck would I? I can actually have conversations/relationships with people now. But no, how dare I be allowed to live a semi-normal life with genuine social connections? Im not coming off the benzos guys lol. I might switch to klonopin/valium/some other benzo, but im not coming off. THAT would be the end of me.

You should make your own decisions and all that, but your tolerance will only keep getting higher and higher.  Eventually your doctor will stop raising the dose, too.

And if you make an error while on these doses, like drinking and doing something that lands you in jail for a night, you'll likely be forced to wean off of the medications entirely.  I've seen it before.  They send you to the psychiatric unit of the hospital until they figure out what to do with you, and they start the weaning immediately.  Then you'll either go to a serious detox program or will work with your regular doctor to get it done.  The doctor probably won't want to continue prescribing you the meds because at that point you're a liability to him and his practice.

So don't drink!

[splooge gook]

imagine being on 6mg of xanax/day for like 50 years. and quite possibly outliving your prescribing psychiatrist

actually OP, do it. for science that is. i legitimately wonder if you'd have Alzheimer's (or have killed somebody) if something like that happened

[splooge gook]

can you even feel feels anymore bro

[splooge gook]

lol @ doctors who have severe fatal diseases named after them for discovering it

[splooge gook]

Is there a way to estimate an equivalency between the anxiolytic potency of alcohol and benzos? i know they give valium to alcoholics so that they don't get delirium tremens, but if one could made an estimation that say, 1 standard drink ~= 10mg of valium, it might be effective to apply a slow valium taper to chronic alcoholics. i think the fact that valium can be reduced a single milligram at a time would definitely lower the relapse rates in alcoholics, and have them slowly emerge into normalcy, rather than getting bored after DTs and chugging listerine/eating a million billion prozac/huffing raid in a fedora for "kicks"

bump

[splooge gook]

actually instead of "one standard drink" it would be more like BAC since i don't think benzo potency really differs over physical size  like it does with DXM and alcohol

[inb4bowden]

Is there a way to estimate an equivalency between the anxiolytic potency of alcohol and benzos? i know they give valium to alcoholics so that they don't get delirium tremens, but if one could made an estimation that say, 1 standard drink ~= 10mg of valium, it might be effective to apply a slow valium taper to chronic alcoholics. i think the fact that valium can be reduced a single milligram at a time would definitely lower the relapse rates in alcoholics, and have them slowly emerge into normalcy, rather than getting bored after DTs and chugging listerine/eating a million billion prozac/huffing raid in a fedora for "kicks"

I don't think they do that anymore, my dad was on them and my mom read about some home remedy and literally boiled dandelions to kill the DTs

Seriously, getting off benzos isn't that hard, like, it sucks and stuff but if you supplement with other drugs you'l be fine, just don't do coke.

I dunno, I used to take benzos and opiates everyday and don't really have anything to add other than benzos are evil and opiate are the opiates of the masses

[DietCoke]

You should make your own decisions and all that, but your tolerance will only keep getting higher and higher.  Eventually your doctor will stop raising the dose, too.

And if you make an error while on these doses, like drinking and doing something that lands you in jail for a night, you'll likely be forced to wean off of the medications entirely.  I've seen it before.  They send you to the psychiatric unit of the hospital until they figure out what to do with you, and they start the weaning immediately.  Then you'll either go to a serious detox program or will work with your regular doctor to get it done.  The doctor probably won't want to continue prescribing you the meds because at that point you're a liability to him and his practice.

So don't drink!

Ok, I was a little harsh there, I'm sorry. But I actually pretty much started at 1mg for a month and then moved to the bars after that. And no, my doctors not a tard or crooked, he's seriously the best doctor I've ever known, and I mean he KNOWS his shit like none other. He trusts me and I trust him so im not too worried about anything...btw, is methadone mote dangerous than other opiates when combined with benzos? Because they always say that that's such a dangerous combo, most of benzo OD's involve methadone, but am I right in saying that all that hype is probably just because so many people in methadone clinics mix with xanax and fuck up? That's just what I assume. Could be wrong though.

[splooge gook]

what's your resting heart rate/blood pressure?

[equanimity]

You should make your own decisions and all that, but your tolerance will only keep getting higher and higher.  Eventually your doctor will stop raising the dose, too.

And if you make an error while on these doses, like drinking and doing something that lands you in jail for a night, you'll likely be forced to wean off of the medications entirely.  I've seen it before.  They send you to the psychiatric unit of the hospital until they figure out what to do with you, and they start the weaning immediately.  Then you'll either go to a serious detox program or will work with your regular doctor to get it done.  The doctor probably won't want to continue prescribing you the meds because at that point you're a liability to him and his practice.

So don't drink!

Ok, I was a little harsh there, I'm sorry. But I actually pretty much started at 1mg for a month and then moved to the bars after that. And no, my doctors not a tard or crooked, he's seriously the best doctor I've ever known, and I mean he KNOWS his shit like none other. He trusts me and I trust him so im not too worried about anything...btw, is methadone mote dangerous than other opiates when combined with benzos? Because they always say that that's such a dangerous combo, most of benzo OD's involve methadone, but am I right in saying that all that hype is probably just because so many people in methadone clinics mix with xanax and fuck up? That's just what I assume. Could be wrong though.

Mmm I dunno why people would be saying benzos and methadone don't mix honestly.  I've never heard that.

Methadone can be dangerous on its own because it takes a very long time to start feeling it.  I've known people that took some and couldn't feel anything so took more, and then more, and then more...

and then four hours later they're nodding the out and the rest of us are debating whether we should get them to the ER or not.

[millionsofdeadcats]

and then four hours later they're nodding the out and the rest of us are debating whether we should get them to the ER or not.

You think it is a possible medical emergency when someone is 'nodding out'?  Please elaborate, as it looks like you have another case of 'lost in translation' syndrome.

[RisiR]

Mmm I dunno why people would be saying benzos and methadone don't mix honestly.

Both are strong CNS depressants and mixing them can kill you?

[equanimity]

and then four hours later they're nodding the out and the rest of us are debating whether we should get them to the ER or not.

You think it is a possible medical emergency when someone is 'nodding out'?  Please elaborate, as it looks like you have another case of 'lost in translation' syndrome.

They were much higher than they meant to be.  And I never said which side of that argument I was on

Mmm I dunno why people would be saying benzos and methadone don't mix honestly.

Both are strong CNS depressants and mixing them can kill you?

That's true of any opioid/benzo combo, really.  DietCoke asked about this combination specifically, and I couldn't think of anything too special that made it more dangerous than other combinations.