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Society => News of the World => Topic started by: equanimity on October 17, 2014, 04:46:00 pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/justice/michael-dunn-sentencing/index.html
This story is so sad. Angry guy causes a scene because some kids are being obnoxious (as kids will). According to his testimony, he thought one of the people in the car was reaching for a gun and acted in self-defense by firing 10 times into the vehicle. There were no weapons found in the SUV.
After killing the guy, he went to his apartment, had a drink, ordered a pizza and walked his dog. Was probably really freaked out :/
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First degree murder? I'd love to know how the jury came to the conclusion it was premeditated.
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First degree murder? I'd love to know how the jury came to the conclusion it was premeditated.
^boop
The DA's in a lot of these shooting cases seem to be over reaching with these charges I could see them charging him with something and getting the conviction but 1st degree seems massively extreme
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First degree murder? I'd love to know how the jury came to the conclusion it was premeditated.
^boop
The DA's in a lot of these shooting cases seem to be over reaching with these charges I could see them charging him with something and getting the conviction but 1st degree seems massively extreme
I don't want to read the story, what were the races of the players in this?
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First degree murder? I'd love to know how the jury came to the conclusion it was premeditated.
^boop
The DA's in a lot of these shooting cases seem to be over reaching with these charges I could see them charging him with something and getting the conviction but 1st degree seems massively extreme
I don't want to read the story, what were the races of the players in this?
Dunn is white, everyone else is black.
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I don't want to read the story, what were the races of the players in this?
Lol three guesses also it was in Florida there's a hint
aww SOTB ruined it :(
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Sorry, I suspected he already knew, or could easily guess.
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Sorry, I suspected he already knew, or could easily guess.
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that explains the first degree murder charge....He done shot one a obammy's chilluns
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Sorry, I suspected he already knew, or could easily guess.
yeah it was a pretty easy one
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Sorry, I suspected he already knew, or could easily guess.
:tup:
that explains the first degree murder charge....He done shot one a obammy's chilluns
Don't be ridiculous.
However they came to finding him guilty of first degree murder, he was already sentenced with 90 years for second degree attempted murder on the other 3 people he was shooting at. Guy was going away for a very long time regardless, but maybe could have spent his last years a free man.
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Don't be ridiculous
nothing ridiculous about it...they wanted to make an example of this guy, and they did. I don't even have to read the article to know how it works, it happens out in the real world every day.
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Don't be ridiculous
nothing ridiculous about it...they wanted to make an example of this guy, and they did. I don't even have to read the article to know how it works, it happens out in the real world every day.
What does any of that have to do with Obama?
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Don't be ridiculous
nothing ridiculous about it...they wanted to make an example of this guy, and they did. I don't even have to read the article to know how it works, it happens out in the real world every day.
Rightfully so. Dude is a retard. Why would you risk your life over something so trivial? Even IF they had guns, no fucking way would he be alive if they actually intended to kill him. He wasted 10 shots and only killed one person, if they wanted to and had the means, i'm pretty sure 12-16 rounds x 3 would have fucked his day up good. Dudes already old anyway, best to make a public example out of him then give the retard false hope of ever seeing freedom again.
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Don't be ridiculous
nothing ridiculous about it...they wanted to make an example of this guy, and they did. I don't even have to read the article to know how it works, it happens out in the real world every day.
What does any of that have to do with Obama?
Probably the mass push twords sensationalizing white on black violence such as Eric Holder going to Ferguson and Obama's comments during the Trayvon martin trial and the push to make examples out of the people involved in these cases
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What does any of that have to do with Obama?
http://youtu.be/_KQc_L0MCds
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What does any of that have to do with Obama?
http://youtu.be/_KQc_L0MCds
Ohhh, right. It all makes sense now :)
I kind of agree with theKit though. It probably doesn't matter one way or another if these people are "made examples of", but there is absolutely no reason now to be harsh when dealing with cases like this. People who own guns know they need to be extremely careful when using them, and the government should do what it can to discourage irresponsible use.
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the government should do what it can to discourage irresponsible use.
I could spend literally days on end posting a litany of news articles and videos of cops and soldiers using weapons irresponsibly. Who is going to discourage them from irresponsible use?
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I kind of agree with theKit though. It probably doesn't matter one way or another if these people are "made examples of", but there is absolutely no reason now to be harsh when dealing with cases like this. People who own guns know they need to be extremely careful when using them, and the government should do what it can to discourage irresponsible use.
Discouraging irresponsible use =/= Giving people exorbitant charges that are unrepresentative of the crime they may or may not have committed
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the government should do what it can to discourage irresponsible use.
I could spend literally days on end posting a litany of news articles and videos of cops and soldiers using weapons irresponsibly. Who is going to discourage them from irresponsible use?
Yeah hopefully those laws are tightened as well. The eventual hope is that most police officers won't even carry guns on their person. The military is gonna be even harder to tackle, unfortunately :(
I kind of agree with theKit though. It probably doesn't matter one way or another if these people are "made examples of", but there is absolutely no reason now to be harsh when dealing with cases like this. People who own guns know they need to be extremely careful when using them, and the government should do what it can to discourage irresponsible use.
Discouraging irresponsible use =/= Giving people exorbitant charges that are unrepresentative of the crime they may or may not have committed
We don't even have all the details here, so we can't know if the charges were exorbitant or not. Florida has the felony murder thing, maybe they determined he was committing a felony prior to the shooting. Is aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (or whatever) a felony in Florida?
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Yeah hopefully those laws are tightened as well. The eventual hope is that most police officers won't even carry guns on their person. The military is gonna be even harder to tackle, unfortunately :(
So your hope is that firearms are eventually phased out altogether?
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the government should do what it can to discourage irresponsible use.
I could spend literally days on end posting a litany of news articles and videos of cops and soldiers using weapons irresponsibly. Who is going to discourage them from irresponsible use?
Yeah hopefully those laws are tightened as well. The eventual hope is that most police officers won't even carry guns on their person. The military is gonna be even harder to tackle, unfortunately :(
I kind of agree with theKit though. It probably doesn't matter one way or another if these people are "made examples of", but there is absolutely no reason now to be harsh when dealing with cases like this. People who own guns know they need to be extremely careful when using them, and the government should do what it can to discourage irresponsible use.
Discouraging irresponsible use =/= Giving people exorbitant charges that are unrepresentative of the crime they may or may not have committed
We don't even have all the details here, so we can't know if the charges were exorbitant or not. Florida has the felony murder thing, maybe they determined he was committing a felony prior to the shooting. Is aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (or whatever) a felony in Florida?
that first response is retarded what we should hope for is police will be better trained to use their duty weapons. As for the military being fazed out let's talk isis down with campfire songs u guize.
I wasn't so much referencing this case in particular more so that entire mind set. That mindset is not what the court system is for.
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Yeah hopefully those laws are tightened as well. The eventual hope is that most police officers won't even carry guns on their person. The military is gonna be even harder to tackle, unfortunately :(
So your hope is that firearms are eventually phased out altogether?
Hunters and hobbyists would still use and collect them, respectively. But yeah the hope is that eventually there will be no need to keep guns around for self-defense or law enforcement purposes.
that first response is retarded what we should hope for is police will be better trained to use their duty weapons. As for the military being fazed out let's talk isis down with campfire songs u guize.
I wasn't so much referencing this case in particular more so that entire mind set. That mindset is not what the court system is for.
Mindset? These people should be dealt with harshly, but never beyond what the law is written to allow. That seems reasonable, right?
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Yeah hopefully those laws are tightened as well. The eventual hope is that most police officers won't even carry guns on their person. The military is gonna be even harder to tackle, unfortunately :(
So your hope is that firearms are eventually phased out altogether?
Hunters and hobbyists would still use and collect them, respectively. But yeah the hope is that eventually there will be no need to keep guns around for self-defense or law enforcement purposes.
that first response is retarded what we should hope for is police will be better trained to use their duty weapons. As for the military being fazed out let's talk isis down with campfire songs u guize.
I wasn't so much referencing this case in particular more so that entire mind set. That mindset is not what the court system is for.
Mindset? These people should be dealt with harshly, but never beyond what the law is written to allow. That seems reasonable, right?
Courts are for ascertaining guilt or innocence beyond a reasonable doubt through due process that is it they are not for making examples of people
the idea of no one ever having to defend themselves or the police ever needing a lethal resolution is laughable and entirely naive however
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that first response is retarded what we should hope for is police will be better trained to use their duty weapons. As for the military being fazed out let's talk isis down with campfire songs u guize.
I wasn't so much referencing this case in particular more so that entire mind set. That mindset is not what the court system is for.
Mindset? These people should be dealt with harshly, but never beyond what the law is written to allow. That seems reasonable, right?
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Someone obviously doesn't understand how humanity works.
Until an equally effective non-lethal alternative to guns is invented - guns will be needed. Period.
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Someone obviously doesn't understand how humanity works.
Until an equally effective non-lethal alternative to guns is invented - guns will be needed. Period.
Pretty much this ^
Also the current usage of what was considered "non-lethal" has been coined as less than lethal now due to the fact that when events are escalated there are variables that can never be fully predicted that no matter through any fault of the operator could have a lethal result.
No one ever getting hurt is a pipe dream and unfeasible.
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Hunters and hobbyists would still use and collect them, respectively. But yeah the hope is that eventually there will be no need to keep guns around for self-defense or law enforcement purposes.
So...what would stop a criminal from shooting someone with a hunting rifle?
Once you sit down and hash it out, the only thing that really stops someone from shooting people is someone else with a gun will come along and put the fucker down. Whether it be cops or citizens, it should not matter. Along those same lines, cops are generally terrible shots, and kill bystanders at nearly the same rate that nigger gangbangers do.
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So...what would stop a criminal from shooting someone with a hunting rifle?
Common sense, a well-developed sense of morality, and a sober mind.
Once you sit down and hash it out, the only thing that really stops someone from shooting people is someone else with a gun will come along and put the fucker down. Whether it be cops or citizens, it should not matter. Along those same lines, cops are generally terrible shots, and kill bystanders at nearly the same rate that nigger gangbangers do.
So it's a good thing cops have guns?
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So...what would stop a criminal from shooting someone with a hunting rifle?
Common sense, a well-developed sense of morality, and a sober mind.
Once you sit down and hash it out, the only thing that really stops someone from shooting people is someone else with a gun will come along and put the fucker down. Whether it be cops or citizens, it should not matter. Along those same lines, cops are generally terrible shots, and kill bystanders at nearly the same rate that nigger gangbangers do.
So it's a good thing cops have guns?
:laugh:
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Common sense, a well-developed sense of morality, and a sober mind.
So it's a good thing cops have guns?
And how do you impart the same morals across an entire species? Your train of thought that everyone can just be nice is extremely farcical.
Yes it is they just need to be trained and held to better standards than they currently are.
also I agree with this
No its a good thing citizens have guns.
Do you realize that if we banned guns tomorrow, they would be popping up in the hands of criminals every day for the next hundred years? Do you realize just how many guns are actually out there? There is no getting rid of them, ever. There are still guns from WWII stockpiles being used in armed conflicts right now, this very second.
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So...what would stop a criminal from shooting someone with a hunting rifle?
Common sense, a well-developed sense of morality, and a sober mind.
Once you sit down and hash it out, the only thing that really stops someone from shooting people is someone else with a gun will come along and put the fucker down. Whether it be cops or citizens, it should not matter. Along those same lines, cops are generally terrible shots, and kill bystanders at nearly the same rate that nigger gangbangers do.
So it's a good thing cops have guns?
No its a good thing citizens have guns.
Do you realize that if we banned guns tomorrow, they would be popping up in the hands of criminals every day for the next hundred years? Do you realize just how many guns are actually out there? There is no getting rid of them, ever. There are still guns from WWII stockpiles being used in armed conflicts right now, this very second.
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And how do you impart the same morals across an entire species? Your train of thought that everyone can just be nice is extremely farcical.
Yes it is they just need to be trained and held to better standards than they currently are.
I'm not sure how it will happen, but it's the future. True human progress and all that.
No its a good thing citizens have guns.
Do you realize that if we banned guns tomorrow, they would be popping up in the hands of criminals every day for the next hundred years? Do you realize just how many guns are actually out there? There is no getting rid of them, ever. There are still guns from WWII stockpiles being used in armed conflicts right now, this very second.
People should be allowed to own guns imo. But we as a society should be working to make them obsolete and unnecessary.
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I'm not sure how it will happen, but it's the future. True human progress and all that.
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I'm sorry but wut, can you please show any kind of verifiable reason that this is even possible of happening because you must be trolling at this point
not to mention this conversation has gone so far from what it was about it's not even worth getting into here
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And how do you impart the same morals across an entire species? Your train of thought that everyone can just be nice is extremely farcical.
Yes it is they just need to be trained and held to better standards than they currently are.
I'm not sure how it will happen, but it's the future. True human progress and all that.
No its a good thing citizens have guns.
Do you realize that if we banned guns tomorrow, they would be popping up in the hands of criminals every day for the next hundred years? Do you realize just how many guns are actually out there? There is no getting rid of them, ever. There are still guns from WWII stockpiles being used in armed conflicts right now, this very second.
People should be allowed to own guns imo. But we as a society should be working to make them obsolete and unnecessary.
You really are too stupid to count to twenty without removing your shoes and socks.