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Society => Politics: Left, Right, and Center => Topic started by: TheJunkieMonkey on September 08, 2014, 01:28:15 am
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Israel Invading OK, Russia Invading Ukraine Bad
Please Explain
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Jews.
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Anti semite detected. You don't know bout dat diasopora.
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Anti semite detected. You don't know bout dat diasopora.
I just don't see the difference
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I hope IS make it to Israel.
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Israel Invading OK, Russia Invading Ukraine Bad
Please Explain
because if you say anything bad about jews or do something to them they don't like, you will be called this Anti semite
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It's the western zionist media damnit and white people are getting brainwashed all over the world! We must stop this madness.
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Who's said Israel invading anywhere has been a good thing?
The 'anti-Israel is anti-semite' line gets trotted out a lot, in some cases it is a thin veil for antisemitism, but mostly it appears to get shot down as an attempt to play the race card.
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israel wouldnt exist if it werent for the jew-nited states of america
they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer
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israel wouldnt exist if it werent for the jew-nited states of america
they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer
Arabs aren't good at fighting, they're good at dying for a cause. Currently they're too busy killing each other to trouble Israel. And if the Israelis don't have nukes I'll eat my hat; if their national existence were seriously under threat I think they'd happily glass a few sand dunes to get the message across.
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When they have 100 diaperheads for each jew they dont have to be good fighters
If Israel uses nukes for any reason it will result in a wave of antisemitism that this planet has never experienced. If they thought they were mistreated during the middle ages or by germany in WWII they aint seen nuthin'
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When they have 100 diaperheads for each jew they dont have to be good fighters
That's probably what Egypt, Jordan, and Syria thought before the 6 Day War.
If Israel uses nukes for any reason it will result in a wave of antisemitism that this planet has never experienced. If they thought they were mistreated during the middle ages or by germany in WWII they aint seen nuthin'
Things would get gnarly for Jews outside of Israel, ain't gonna be no pogrom though. Certainly not in Northwestern Europe or America. Many American politicians would love to nuke parts of Durka land given the excuse, but dare not because of the political backlash. They'd slap a Jew on the back and invite him over for afternoon tea if Israel nuked Durka for them.
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Israel only survived because of aid from the us otherwise they would have been wiped out
Wtf is durka land?
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israel wouldnt exist if it werent for the jew-nited states of america
they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer
I would like to point out that Russia, Saudi Arabia, and quite a few other Oil Rich countries have been in bed with Israel for years under the radar. This is because they want consumerism to come to the Middle East.
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Israel only survived because of aid from the us otherwise they would have been wiped out
No doubt. What I do doubt is that the US did this out of the kindness of its heart.
Wtf is durka land?
Any area in the greater Middle East and Pakistan run by Islamic extremists. Large parts of Iraq and Syria currently qualify for this status.
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israel wouldnt exist if it werent for the jew-nited states of america
they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer
Absurd. Israel has over 200 nuclear weapons and will use them if it really looks like they are about to loose a conventional war with their neighbors.
I don't think there would be an anti-Semitic wave as a result wither. The Israeli's would most likely only use these weapons tactically against enemy force concentrations in the field, and I think the Arab treatment of Israeli civilians in occupied areas would erase any sympathy for the Arabs.
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Cory, you should know the official name for the "scorched earth" policy of Israel in the event shit goes downhill, its well known theyll nuke everything into the ground. Its called something biblical sounding likr "goliath outcome" or something. Its gonna bug me but you should know what im talking about
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israel wouldnt exist if it werent for the jew-nited states of america
they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer
Absurd. Israel has over 200 nuclear weapons and will use them if it really looks like they are about to loose a conventional war with their neighbors.
I don't think there would be an anti-Semitic wave as a result wither. The Israeli's would most likely only use these weapons tactically against enemy force concentrations in the field, and I think the Arab treatment of Israeli civilians in occupied areas would erase any sympathy for the Arabs.
israel doesnt publicize the quantity of nukes it possesses. the number could be 5 or 5,000. google 'the samson option'...there is a wikipedia article about it. if this were ever enacted the already high levels of antisemitism would explode in a manner that would possibly result in the extermination of the jewish religion and anyone claiming to be a jew.
anti-israeli sentiment is already astronomical after the multiple war crimes they committed during the last 'war' between hamas. why there havent been war crimes tribunals like there were after WWII shows how hypocritical they are. you do realize 'occupied' areas belong to the arabs and the jews are invaders, right?
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Samson option was what I was talking about 1 post above you.
Israels sattelites luterally have a reverse orbit
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israel doesnt publicize the quantity of nukes it possesses. the number could be 5 or 5,000.
I know, but it's widely considered to be around 200 or so, including SLBM's for a second-strike capability.
google 'the samson option'...there is a wikipedia article about it. if this were ever enacted the already high levels of antisemitism would explode in a manner that would possibly result in the extermination of the jewish religion and anyone claiming to be a jew.
I know about the Samson Option but the thing is unless there was an nuclear strike against Israel it's highly unlikely that they would use the option in full. They would probably launch limited tactical nuclear strikes against Arab forces in the field to force the Arabs to make peace and forfeit their gains. What you said about the global liquidation of Judaism is absurd even if Israel did launch a massive strategic attack.
anti-israeli sentiment is already astronomical after the multiple war crimes they committed during the last 'war' between hamas. why there havent been war crimes tribunals like there were after WWII shows how hypocritical they are.
Because Israel hasn't been invaded and conquered the way Germany was?
you do realize 'occupied' areas belong to the arabs and the jews are invaders, right?
This is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with what I was talking about. This in no way proves that
"they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer".
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israel doesnt publicize the quantity of nukes it possesses. the number could be 5 or 5,000.
I know, but it's widely considered to be around 200 or so, including SLBM's for a second-strike capability.
google 'the samson option'...there is a wikipedia article about it. if this were ever enacted the already high levels of antisemitism would explode in a manner that would possibly result in the extermination of the jewish religion and anyone claiming to be a jew.
I know about the Samson Option but the thing is unless there was an nuclear strike against Israel it's highly unlikely that they would use the option in full. They would probably launch limited tactical nuclear strikes against Arab forces in the field to force the Arabs to make peace and forfeit their gains. What you said about the global liquidation of Judaism is absurd even if Israel did launch a massive strategic attack.
anti-israeli sentiment is already astronomical after the multiple war crimes they committed during the last 'war' between hamas. why there havent been war crimes tribunals like there were after WWII shows how hypocritical they are.
Because Israel hasn't been invaded and conquered the way Germany was?
you do realize 'occupied' areas belong to the arabs and the jews are invaders, right?
This is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with what I was talking about. This in no way proves that
"they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer".
How did you become the mod of Derp olitik again?
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'widely considered' is irrelevant without verifiable OOB info
you never know what the jews are going to do. theyre as mentally unstable as they are sociopathic. if the jews drop a nuke on any major muslim population center it will be a rallying point for hajis throughout the world and would not fare well. europeans tried to exterminate jews during the middle ages for any one of several different reasons, valid or not, based on little more than unverifiable word of mouth. if the jews drop a nuke on any western city it will be the impetus for an anti-semetic event the likes of which would make the holocaust pale in comparison. nobody likes the jews to start with and if they pull such a stunt their control of the media wont save them from the backlash.
it has nothing to do with being invaded. it has to do with lying to the press about their astronomical civilian casualties and exorbitant, intentional, collateral damage.
you brought up arab treatment of jews in the occupied areas, making it fully relevant. israel does not have the economy to support its military and without the US taxpaying subsidizing it the better-funded arab armies would tear israel to pieces
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'widely considered' is irrelevant without verifiable OOB info
I could say the same thing back to you, so "widely considered" is as good as it gets.
you never know what the jews are going to do. theyre as mentally unstable as they are sociopathic. if the jews drop a nuke on any major muslim population center it will be a rallying point for hajis throughout the world and would not fare well.
Here's the thing, the Israeli's aren't stupid and aren't going to nuke major cities unless the Arabs/Iran does it first. It makes much more sense to use tactical nuclear weapons to force the Arabs to the table. Even if they for some reason did hit a major city the Arabs can be as pissed as they want but it won't matter. Their governments aren't going to literally invite nuclear destruction just to try (and fail) to defeat Israel.
europeans tried to exterminate jews during the middle ages for any one of several different reasons, valid or not, based on little more than unverifiable word of mouth. if the jews drop a nuke on any western city it will be the impetus for an anti-semetic event the likes of which would make the holocaust pale in comparison. nobody likes the jews to start with and if they pull such a stunt their control of the media wont save them from the backlash.
Now your changing the subject/moving the goalpost. We aren't talking about Israel nuking a Western city. That's just silly.
it has nothing to do with being invaded. it has to do with lying to the press about their astronomical civilian casualties and exorbitant, intentional, collateral damage.
What is "it"? You're all over the place here.
you brought up arab treatment of jews in the occupied areas, making it fully relevant. israel does not have the economy to support its military and without the US taxpaying subsidizing it the better-funded arab armies would tear israel to pieces
A.) I'm talking about how Arab soldiers would treat Israeli citizens living within the 1967 borders, which the Arabs would have taken some of those areas if it got to the point where the Israeli's were considering the nuclear option.
B.) Israel has a strong and dynamic economy that is much, much better then any of her neighbors. Jordan and Saudi Arabia just have oil and money but hove low manpower and no real industry to speak of. Israel isn't as dependent of American support as you might think.
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All i am hearing is 1 side is better then the other.
there both as bad as each other. We should turn the whole area into a private car park for the saudis
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>implying Israel wouldn't love to nuke Tehran
>implying the US wouldn't justify that
>implying a united arab front against Israel (not along sectarian lines) wouldn't make them fearful enough to do so
>implying "strategic nuclear strikes on advancing armies" are even a thing
>implying Israel's smaller population than its neighbors doesn't make it fearful of widespread casualties
>implying Israels aircraft haven't been trained for long range drops
>implying Israeli drones aren't in Yemen
>implying if Yemen wasn't a geopolitical joke Israel wouldn't have declared war on them already
>implying if Israeli ground forces falter and Israeli cities are occupied that isn't the option they'd immediately go to
>implying Israel isn't half the reason there's so much trepidation around Iran developing nuclear technology, despite the fact that persians are skilled fucking chemists and bioengineers
>implying Israel hasn't admitted to stockpiling and acquiring weapons of mass destruction to use against Iran
>implying they said they weren't going to use them on the Saudi's to stoke the sectarian divide
>implying the Iranian army wouldn't rape the Israeli's in a ground battle
>implying air strikes would be effective against such an onslaught
>implying a divided middle east isn't Israels foreign policy in hopes of preventing a crushing defeat
>implying Israel has a right to exist there in the first place
Ok, maybe some of these implications are inferences I ascertained from your posts but I still think you should address them bby
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So I see you decided to just basically ignore everything I said and post a Gish Gallop instead but here we go....
>implying Israel wouldn't love to nuke Tehran
>implying the US wouldn't justify that
Why would Israel "love" to nuke Tehran? Also the US wouldn't justify it if Israel just up and did it for no reason. If anything we would be super fucking pissed that they just massively destabilized the region seemingly for fun. You seem to have a very stereotyped and base view of the world.
>implying a united arab front against Israel (not along sectarian lines) wouldn't make them fearful enough to do so
Except I never actually said or implied that. Matter of fact that's the exact scenario I was talking about in which Israel would be forced to utilize it's nuclear option.
>implying "strategic nuclear strikes on advancing armies" are even a thing
:facepalm:
Except (again) that's not even what I said. Strategic nuclear attacks against enemy forces aren't a thing. Tactical nuclear attacks are. Google the concept for fucks sake. You literally have no idea what you're talking about if you are serious here.
>implying Israel's smaller population than its neighbors doesn't make it fearful of widespread casualties
Except nothing I said implied that, again.
>implying Israels aircraft haven't been trained for long range drops
>implying Israeli drones aren't in Yemen
Who the fuck cares? What does that have to do with anything we are talking about?
>implying if Yemen wasn't a geopolitical joke Israel wouldn't have declared war on them already
Why the fuck would they do that? What would Israel have to gain form declaring war on Yemen?
>implying if Israeli ground forces falter and Israeli cities are occupied that isn't the option they'd immediately go to
Except that's the exact fucking opposite of what I said you awful moron. I clearly state in my posts that Israel would use tactical nuclear strikes against the Arabs if it looked like they were going to loose. Can you read?
>implying Israel isn't half the reason there's so much trepidation around Iran developing nuclear technology, despite the fact that persians are skilled fucking chemists and bioengineers
Except I never said or implied this again. Israel wishes to maintain it's nuclear monopoly in the region for obvious purposes and thus opposes Iran's program.
>implying Israel hasn't admitted to stockpiling and acquiring weapons of mass destruction to use against Iran
Every nation stockpiles weapons to use against every other nation. All because Israel has nukes doesn't mean that they are stockpiling them to "use against Iran". Matter of fact they were first acquired to gaurentee their independent from Egypt and Syria.
>implying they said they weren't going to use them on the Saudi's to stoke the sectarian divide
They don't need to "stoke" shit. Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Iran have always been arch-enemies.
>implying the Iranian army wouldn't rape the Israeli's in a ground battle
You officially have no idea what you're talking about. The exact opposite of this is the case. Israel might very well be the highest quality military in the world.
>implying air strikes would be effective against such an onslaught
In case you didn't notice, air power is a big fucking deal. If you really think air power doesn't matter and that the Iranian army has better quality then Israel you are hopelessly out of touch.
>implying a divided middle east isn't Israels foreign policy in hopes of preventing a crushing defeat
Except I didn't say or imply that in any way. You're just making shit up at this point.
>implying Israel has a right to exist there in the first place
Most of the people who live in Israel have known that as their only home. History works that way sometimes. Nobody "deserves" anything, life isn't always fair. By your metric no nation on earth deserves to exist because they conquered their land from somebody at some point or another.
Ok, maybe some of these implications are inferences I ascertained from your posts but I still think you should address them bby
Yeah, don't try that dishonest Gish Gallop bullshit again and this time try to actually respond to what I said.
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The US is so far up the Zionist Imperial scum's arse they (Israel), will never have to worry about other countries' disdain for their conquest of Palestinian land. The only way these slimey fucks can be destroyed is by bombing Mecca and pinning the blame on the jews.
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The US is so far up the Zionist Imperial scum's arse they (Israel), will never have to worry about other countries' disdain for their conquest of Palestinian land. The only way these slimey fucks can be destroyed is by bombing Mecca and pinning the blame on the jews.
Dont blame the US...its the jews over here that are running the show
The fucking hajis think they have it so bad off...at least the jews arent infesting every level of the government and economy in their country
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6c9pycx5rg
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@ unbreakable matter:
Yeah, that's basically what I thought.
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I don't have a problem with Jews, but I think all Zionists should hang.
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I don't have a problem with Jews, but I think all Zionists should hang.
Same...but its a small minority, numbers wise, of jews that are causing people to hate them
Youd think after thousands of years of everyone hating them theyd change their behavior. They havent so it goes to show they must enjoy being persecuted
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I don't have a problem with Jews, but I think all Zionists should hang.
Same...but its a small minority, numbers wise, of jews that are causing people to hate them
Youd think after thousands of years of everyone hating them theyd change their behavior. They havent so it goes to show they must enjoy being persecuted
They require prosecution so they can justify there wrongdoings.
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Oh...persecution. ..now it makes sense
I know some jews and theyre the most emo motherfuckers out there. Theyre always whining about something...its too hot...too cold....too this...someone is being mean to me...my gall bladder is flaring up....my ass doctor is ripping me off...gas is too expensive so now im making my friend drive me everywhere
Fuckers have some sort of delusional entitlement complex
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Oh...persecution. ..now it makes sense
I know some jews and theyre the most emo motherfuckers out there. Theyre always whining about something...its too hot...too cold....too this...someone is being mean to me...my gall bladder is flaring up....my ass doctor is ripping me off...gas is too expensive so now im making my friend drive me everywhere
Fuckers have some sort of delusional entitlement complex
Yeah, my bad. Persecution, i remember back in history class at school we had a holocaust survivor come talk to us about his story, and he told of how he hid in a Lithuanians basement and how horrible it was living under nazi rule. He then explains how he remembers seeing red army soldiers running across the field, and how they liberated him. He then bitches for 10 minutes about how much living under soviet rule sucked. I was thinking "fuck man, they liberated you and stopped you from getting gassed in a concentration camp, yet you still have the audacity to bitch about it?"
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Oh...persecution. ..now it makes sense
I know some jews and theyre the most emo motherfuckers out there. Theyre always whining about something...its too hot...too cold....too this...someone is being mean to me...my gall bladder is flaring up....my ass doctor is ripping me off...gas is too expensive so now im making my friend drive me everywhere
Fuckers have some sort of delusional entitlement complex
Yeah, my bad. Persecution, i remember back in history class at school we had a holocaust survivor come talk to us about his story, and he told of how he hid in a Lithuanians basement and how horrible it was living under nazi rule. He then explains how he remembers seeing red army soldiers running across the field, and how they liberated him. He then bitches for 10 minutes about how much living under soviet rule sucked. I was thinking "fuck man, they liberated you and stopped you from getting gassed in a concentration camp, yet you still have the audacity to bitch about it?"
there are a lot of so-called 'holocaust' survivors that have been determined to be fakers.
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I don't have a problem with Jews, but I think all Zionists should hang.
Same...but its a small minority, numbers wise, of jews that are causing people to hate them
Youd think after thousands of years of everyone hating them theyd change their behavior. They havent so it goes to show they must enjoy being persecuted
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/sentence-chaplains-resignation
apparently not.
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Arabs shoot one missile into Israel, Israel sends its entire military in response.
Why does Russia not do the same after a Ukrainian shell landed on Russian territory and killed a civilian?
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Arabs shoot one missile into Israel, Israel sends its entire military in response.
Why does Russia not do the same after a Ukrainian shell landed on Russian territory and killed a civilian?
Because Russia is already in the process of invading the Ukraine.
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Arabs shoot one missile into Israel, Israel sends its entire military in response.
Why does Russia not do the same after a Ukrainian shell landed on Russian territory and killed a civilian?
Because Russia is already in the process of invading the Ukraine.
You are stupid
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Arabs shoot one missile into Israel, Israel sends its entire military in response.
Why does Russia not do the same after a Ukrainian shell landed on Russian territory and killed a civilian?
Because Russia is already in the process of invading the Ukraine.
http://i.imgur.com/H8QJlHC.jpg
So then there are 15k Russian tanks, along with their entire air force and navy, all bombing ukraine from all sides non stop then?
You said invasion right?
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Cory is fucking retarded. He can't even articulate his side of the issue correctly or back it up with anything. All he knows is "murkkka good, Russian expansion bad" because bald russians scare him while they literally try to recruit me into their militias
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Cory is retarded and should be banned immediately due to the info in his signature. He also apparently has no knowledge of how Israel works. America is their puppet, used to push and bully their way around. Why do you think America invaded Iraq and all those other countries, and now ISIS? Because we care about the people of these countries? Get real and look at a fucking map kid. WE'RE CLEARING THE WAY FOR JEWS.
It is common lnowledge the American tax payer gives more money to the IDF than Israelis do. If you didn't vote for Obama and have your head full of nigger jew bullshit than maybe you could see the facts for what they are. But it's ok, sit back and enjoy the sheet of ignorance you're wearing. Type out some bullshit reply that says nothing and refutes none of the facts I've slapped your fat face with.
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Cory is also a 95% Gauraunteed jew, and though he will never admit certainly explains why he is smearing this skullcap- wearing shit that will eventually spread it's parasitic roots to the rest of these boards
I also encourage a system in which confirmed jews are labeled with stars under their avatar in order to protect users of the site
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Putin is the greatest.
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http://i.imgur.com/H8QJlHC.jpg
So then there are 15k Russian tanks, along with their entire air force and navy, all bombing ukraine from all sides non stop then?
You said invasion right?
A.) A picture of a Russian soldier giving a kid a cat literally means nothing.
B.) You don't need "15k tanks", or "the entire air force and navy", to invade a country. The Russian goals appear to be more limited then invading the whole country anyways. They just seem to want the East.
Cory is retarded and should be banned immediately due to the info in his signature. He also apparently has no knowledge of how Israel works. America is their puppet, used to push and bully their way around. Why do you think America invaded Iraq and all those other countries, and now ISIS? Because we care about the people of these countries? Get real and look at a fucking map kid. WE'RE CLEARING THE WAY FOR JEWS.
A.) All because America has a close alliance with Israel doesn't make us their "puppet". I know this is probably over your head but politics, especially international relations, is is bit more complicated and nuanced then you seem to think. Both Israel and the United States are strategically valuable to each other, although we do increasingly see the West and Israel drifting apart over Israel's refusal to be any less belligerent. Ultimately the reason we are allies with them is because the Cold War. The Soviets counted heads and cast their lot with the Arabs so we had to support a counterweight.
B.) The USA invaded Iraq in 2003 because the Neo-Conservitaves in Washington wanted to create a "New American Century" by establishing American dominance in the Middle East to secure the flow of oil from the region. It was about Great Power Politics, with Peak Oil coming the USA would be in a dominant position over Russia and China in the decades to come. Obviously this policy backfired horribly and in fact may very well lead to the emergence of Iran as a major dominant player in the Middle East. It wasn't just "because ISRAEL11!!!1". Real life is more complicated then that.
C.) By fighting the Islamic State we aren't really helping Israel any if at all. IS is mostly fighting the main enemies of Israel. That is to say they are mainly undermining the interests of Iran in Iraq and Syria.
It is common lnowledge the American tax payer gives more money to the IDF than Israelis do. If you didn't vote for Obama and have your head full of nigger jew bullshit than maybe you could see the facts for what they are.
Wrong again, I'm beginning to detect a trend.
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-america-really-spends-on-israels-defense-2012-9
Last week the Jerusalem Post reported that former Israeli Defense Force (IDF) Commander-in-Chief Gabi Ashkenazi told a conference that U.S. taxpayers have contributed more to the Israeli defense budget than Israeli taxpayers in the past three years.
This comment has been passed around everywhere.
Alison Weir of Veterans News Now pointed out it was the first instance of an Israeli leader saying that U.S. taxpayers contribute more money to Israel's defense budget than Israeli taxpayers.
But the claim seemed fishy to us.
Given that U.S. military aid to Israel was $2.775 billion in 2010, $3 billion in 2011, $3.07 billion in 2012 (and $3.15 billion per year from 2013-2018) while Israel's defense budget is around $15 billion, it made us wonder how much Israeli taxpayers contribute and where the other $12 billion non-U.S. aid comes from.
We emailed Shmuel Even, an expert of Israel's defense at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, who told us that Israel's up-to-date defense budget for 2012 is $15 billion, with 70 percent contributed by Israeli taxpayers, 21 percent coming from U.S. aid and 9 percent coming from Defense Ministry income.
That would put the Israeli taxpayer contribution at $10.5 billion, compared to $3.15 billion from the U.S. (Even added that the U.S. aid in 2011 was $3.1 billion and that most of the aid comes in weapons as opposed to cash.)
So was Lt. Gen. Ashkenazi—who served as the IDF supreme commander from 2007 to 2011—simply mistaken? Or is he alluding to something that one of Israel's top researchers doesn't know?
Shmuel Even watched the video of Ashkenazi's speech and said the former IDF chief "said it, but I don't know why."
Even added that Ashkenazi "also said that the U.S. military aid is $3B. So he knows the numbers."
But it's ok, sit back and enjoy the sheet of ignorance you're wearing. Type out some bullshit reply that says nothing and refutes none of the facts I've slapped your fat face with.
It's obvious you are the jackass wrapped in a sheet of your own ignorance and lack of understanding of how the real world functions. Just go back to your conspricary theory echo-chamber where you can play make believe that you are some kind of "enlightened" person and just so much different from all the other kids at school.
Cory is fucking retarded. He can't even articulate his side of the issue correctly or back it up with anything. All he knows is "murkkka good, Russian expansion bad" because bald russians scare him while they literally try to recruit me into their militias
A.) I am probably the only person in this goddamn thread who has backed up any of what I've said.
B.) I highly, highly doubt anyone has tried to recruit you into a rebel militia operating in the Ukraine. You probably couldn't even point to the goddamn place on a map.
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So I see you decided to just basically ignore everything I said and post a Gish Gallop instead but here we go....
>implying Israel wouldn't love to nuke Tehran
>implying the US wouldn't justify that
Why would Israel "love" to nuke Tehran? Also the US wouldn't justify it if Israel just up and did it for no reason. If anything we would be super fucking pissed that they just massively destabilized the region seemingly for fun. You seem to have a very stereotyped and base view of the world.
Aren't the Israelis murdering Iranian nuclear scientists pre-emptively? This seems very aggressive to me. And if they do this, then it doesn't take too much imagination to think that they (the Israelis) would love to nuke Tehran.
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Cory is fucking retarded. He can't even articulate his side of the issue correctly or back it up with anything. All he knows is "murkkka good, Russian expansion bad" because bald russians scare him while they literally try to recruit me into their militias
As what sex slave?
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Aren't the Israelis murdering Iranian nuclear scientists pre-emptively? This seems very aggressive to me. And if they do this, then it doesn't take too much imagination to think that they (the Israelis) would love to nuke Tehran.
Launching covert intelligence operations to sabotage Iran's nuclear program doesn't parallel to launching a nuclear strike against a major city. The two just don't compare.
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Aren't the Israelis murdering Iranian nuclear scientists pre-emptively? This seems very aggressive to me. And if they do this, then it doesn't take too much imagination to think that they (the Israelis) would love to nuke Tehran.
Launching covert intelligence operations to sabotage Iran's nuclear program doesn't parallel to launching a nuclear strike against a major city. The two just don't compare.
I am not saying that these two things are "comparable" or anything like that. I am just trying to point out to other people that Israel is a very aggressive nation. It will go on a murderous campaign against people who for all we know might truly be working on nuclear powers used for peaceful purposes.
Also I kind of think that you are partial towards Israel. You call their murderous campaign "covert intelligence operations" in an attempt to downplay their wickedness.
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I am not saying that these two things are "comparable" or anything like that. I am just trying to point out to other people that Israel is a very aggressive nation. It will go on a murderous campaign against people who for all we know might truly be working on nuclear powers used for peaceful purposes.
Also I kind of think that you are partial towards Israel. You call their murderous campaign "covert intelligence operations" in an attempt to downplay their wickedness.
Well you did say that their assignations indicated that they would "love to nuke Tehran".
Also I am by no means partial to Israel, as a matter of fact I resent their expansionist policy in regards to Palestine. I think it's very ironic that the Israeli right thinks Jews are the Chosen People who should expand their living-space to the East and expel the undesirables. Sound familiar?
I just can't stand stupidity and black & white worldviews that reduce everything to something any 12 year old can understand. Real life is much more complicated and nuanced then these types like to make out in their ill-informed "opinions".
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Also call me a noob or ignorant, but I have a question for you all.
What does the US gain from having Israel as an ally? All they seem to do is take money, aid, etc from the US.
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I am not saying that these two things are "comparable" or anything like that. I am just trying to point out to other people that Israel is a very aggressive nation. It will go on a murderous campaign against people who for all we know might truly be working on nuclear powers used for peaceful purposes.
Also I kind of think that you are partial towards Israel. You call their murderous campaign "covert intelligence operations" in an attempt to downplay their wickedness.
Well you did say that their assignations indicated that they would "love to nuke Tehran".
Also I am by no means partial to Israel, as a matter of fact I resent their expansionist policy in regards to Palestine. I think it's very ironic that the Israeli right thinks Jews are the Chosen People who should expand their living-space to the East and expel the undesirables. Sound familiar?
I just can't stand stupidity and black & white worldviews that reduce everything to something any 12 year old can understand. Real life is much more complicated and nuanced then these types like to make out in their ill-informed "opinions".
I see.
Also, I got a question for you. Do you feel that the Israelis' pre-emptive murders of Iranian nuclear scientists is wrong.
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Also call me a noob or ignorant, but I have a question for you all.
What does the US gain from having Israel as an ally? All they seem to do is take money, aid, etc from the US.
Although I think it works the other way around, I would answer this question thusly: By having israel as an ally, the US has a 'friend' and a stable base in the middle east. A 'foothold' in the region, if you will.
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I see.
Also, I got a question for you. Do you feel that the Israelis' pre-emptive murders of Iranian nuclear scientists is wrong.
I don't see geo-political actions like as said inherently "right" or "wrong". If I were the leader of Israel I sure as hell wouldn't want Iran jeopardizing my nuclear monopoly in the region. Also if I were Iran's leader I sure as hell wouldn't to live under the Israeli nuclear gun limiting my development as a major power.
Politics is often times grey.
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I see.
Also, I got a question for you. Do you feel that the Israelis' pre-emptive murders of Iranian nuclear scientists is wrong.
I don't see geo-political actions like as said inherently "right" or "wrong". If I were the leader of Israel I sure as hell wouldn't want Iran jeopardizing my nuclear monopoly in the region. Also if I were Iran's leader I sure as hell wouldn't to live under the Israeli nuclear gun limiting my development as a major power.
Politics is often times grey.
Murder isn't a "geo-political action", though.
Also, you seem to be saying that in order to achieve supremacy in geo-politics, it is permissible to engage in something as heinous as the murder of innocents.
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I see.
Also, I got a question for you. Do you feel that the Israelis' pre-emptive murders of Iranian nuclear scientists is wrong.
I don't see geo-political actions like as said inherently "right" or "wrong". If I were the leader of Israel I sure as hell wouldn't want Iran jeopardizing my nuclear monopoly in the region. Also if I were Iran's leader I sure as hell wouldn't to live under the Israeli nuclear gun limiting my development as a major power.
Politics is often times grey.
Murder isn't a "geo-political action", though.
Also, you seem to be saying that in order to achieve supremacy in geo-politics, it is permissible to engage in something as heinous as the murder of innocents.
permissible by who(m)? there's literally no personal responsibility for a country's actions until they're subjugated.
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http://i.imgur.com/H8QJlHC.jpg
So then there are 15k Russian tanks, along with their entire air force and navy, all bombing ukraine from all sides non stop then?
You said invasion right?
A.) A picture of a Russian soldier giving a kid a cat literally means nothing.
B.) You don't need "15k tanks", or "the entire air force and navy", to invade a country. The Russian goals appear to be more limited then invading the whole country anyways. They just seem to want the East.
Cory is retarded and should be banned immediately due to the info in his signature. He also apparently has no knowledge of how Israel works. America is their puppet, used to push and bully their way around. Why do you think America invaded Iraq and all those other countries, and now ISIS? Because we care about the people of these countries? Get real and look at a fucking map kid. WE'RE CLEARING THE WAY FOR JEWS.
A.) All because America has a close alliance with Israel doesn't make us their "puppet". I know this is probably over your head but politics, especially international relations, is is bit more complicated and nuanced then you seem to think. Both Israel and the United States are strategically valuable to each other, although we do increasingly see the West and Israel drifting apart over Israel's refusal to be any less belligerent. Ultimately the reason we are allies with them is because the Cold War. The Soviets counted heads and cast their lot with the Arabs so we had to support a counterweight.
B.) The USA invaded Iraq in 2003 because the Neo-Conservitaves in Washington wanted to create a "New American Century" by establishing American dominance in the Middle East to secure the flow of oil from the region. It was about Great Power Politics, with Peak Oil coming the USA would be in a dominant position over Russia and China in the decades to come. Obviously this policy backfired horribly and in fact may very well lead to the emergence of Iran as a major dominant player in the Middle East. It wasn't just "because ISRAEL11!!!1". Real life is more complicated then that.
C.) By fighting the Islamic State we aren't really helping Israel any if at all. IS is mostly fighting the main enemies of Israel. That is to say they are mainly undermining the interests of Iran in Iraq and Syria.
It is common lnowledge the American tax payer gives more money to the IDF than Israelis do. If you didn't vote for Obama and have your head full of nigger jew bullshit than maybe you could see the facts for what they are.
Wrong again, I'm beginning to detect a trend.
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-america-really-spends-on-israels-defense-2012-9
Last week the Jerusalem Post reported that former Israeli Defense Force (IDF) Commander-in-Chief Gabi Ashkenazi told a conference that U.S. taxpayers have contributed more to the Israeli defense budget than Israeli taxpayers in the past three years.
This comment has been passed around everywhere.
Alison Weir of Veterans News Now pointed out it was the first instance of an Israeli leader saying that U.S. taxpayers contribute more money to Israel's defense budget than Israeli taxpayers.
But the claim seemed fishy to us.
Given that U.S. military aid to Israel was $2.775 billion in 2010, $3 billion in 2011, $3.07 billion in 2012 (and $3.15 billion per year from 2013-2018) while Israel's defense budget is around $15 billion, it made us wonder how much Israeli taxpayers contribute and where the other $12 billion non-U.S. aid comes from.
We emailed Shmuel Even, an expert of Israel's defense at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, who told us that Israel's up-to-date defense budget for 2012 is $15 billion, with 70 percent contributed by Israeli taxpayers, 21 percent coming from U.S. aid and 9 percent coming from Defense Ministry income.
That would put the Israeli taxpayer contribution at $10.5 billion, compared to $3.15 billion from the U.S. (Even added that the U.S. aid in 2011 was $3.1 billion and that most of the aid comes in weapons as opposed to cash.)
So was Lt. Gen. Ashkenazi—who served as the IDF supreme commander from 2007 to 2011—simply mistaken? Or is he alluding to something that one of Israel's top researchers doesn't know?
Shmuel Even watched the video of Ashkenazi's speech and said the former IDF chief "said it, but I don't know why."
Even added that Ashkenazi "also said that the U.S. military aid is $3B. So he knows the numbers."
But it's ok, sit back and enjoy the sheet of ignorance you're wearing. Type out some bullshit reply that says nothing and refutes none of the facts I've slapped your fat face with.
It's obvious you are the jackass wrapped in a sheet of your own ignorance and lack of understanding of how the real world functions. Just go back to your conspricary theory echo-chamber where you can play make believe that you are some kind of "enlightened" person and just so much different from all the other kids at school.
Cory is fucking retarded. He can't even articulate his side of the issue correctly or back it up with anything. All he knows is "murkkka good, Russian expansion bad" because bald russians scare him while they literally try to recruit me into their militias
A.) I am probably the only person in this goddamn thread who has backed up any of what I've said.
B.) I highly, highly doubt anyone has tried to recruit you into a rebel militia operating in the Ukraine. You probably couldn't even point to the goddamn place on a map.
You must be trolling.
Compare what Russia is doing in Ukraine to what they did in Georgia. The Ukraine thing is not an invasion.
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Murder isn't a "geo-political action", though.
Also, you seem to be saying that in order to achieve supremacy in geo-politics, it is permissible to engage in something as heinous as the murder of innocents.
Unfortunately, murder very well can be a geo-poltical action. Politics is grey, but can often be a very dark shade of grey.
You must be trolling.
Compare what Russia is doing in Ukraine to what they did in Georgia. The Ukraine thing is not an invasion.
Fine I guess just stick your head in the sand and believe everything coming from RT (which, by the way, was created for foreign consumption exclusively which should tell you something right there). I would have an easier time believing the Russians if it wasn't for the fact that literally every single thing they have said about this whole thing has been a bold-faced lie. "There are no Russian troops in Crimea", "Russia isn't supporting the Rebels", "The Ukrainians tried to shoot down Putin's plane" (yeah, right).
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Murder isn't a "geo-political action", though.
Also, you seem to be saying that in order to achieve supremacy in geo-politics, it is permissible to engage in something as heinous as the murder of innocents.
Unfortunately, murder very well can be a geo-poltical action. Politics is grey, but can often be a very dark shade of grey.
you seem to be saying that in order to achieve supremacy in geo-politics, it is permissible to engage in something as heinous as the murder of innocents.
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you seem to be saying that in order to achieve supremacy in geo-politics, it is permissible to engage in something as heinous as the murder of innocents.
I'm not saying I approve of it necessarily, but you know the old sayings "Needs of the many/needs of the few", "ends justify the means".
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you seem to be saying that in order to achieve supremacy in geo-politics, it is permissible to engage in something as heinous as the murder of innocents.
I'm not saying I approve of it necessarily, but you know the old sayings "Needs of the many/needs of the few", "ends justify the means".
So you are saying that you know murder is wrong, however when there are more people that MIGHT potentially be saved, it is ok to commit murder against other people, as long as they are fewer in number.
You are also condoning doing all manner of nasty things, as long as some sort of goal (of world governments) is achieved.
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So you are saying that you know murder is wrong, however when there are more people that MIGHT potentially be saved, it is ok to commit murder against other people, as long as they are fewer in number.
You are also condoning doing all manner of nasty things, as long as some sort of goal (of world governments) is achieved.
Basically yeah. That's life for ya. People do what they think they have to to get ahead.
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So you are saying that you know murder is wrong, however when there are more people that MIGHT potentially be saved, it is ok to commit murder against other people, as long as they are fewer in number.
You are also condoning doing all manner of nasty things, as long as some sort of goal (of world governments) is achieved.
Basically yeah. That's life for ya. People do what they think they have to to get ahead.
You are an evil person.
You are a jew, right?
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So you are saying that you know murder is wrong, however when there are more people that MIGHT potentially be saved, it is ok to commit murder against other people, as long as they are fewer in number.
You are also condoning doing all manner of nasty things, as long as some sort of goal (of world governments) is achieved.
Yeah, Cory is pretty much a full blown leftist, and probably has a framed picture of joseph stalin next to where he sleeps.
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I'm not a Jew and I don't have a picture of Stalin. I always considered myself of Trotskyist back in my Marxist days anyways.
And I'm not an evil person, that's just the way real life works.
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Yeah, Cory is pretty much a full blown leftist, and probably has a framed picture of joseph stalin next to where he sleeps.
Cory is the voice of reason in a forum populated by people who derive their politics from anecdotes and youtube clips.
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I'm not a Jew and I don't have a picture of Stalin. I always considered myself of Trotskyist back in my Marxist days anyways.
And I'm not an evil person, that's just the way real life works.
You condone evil things done by governments to maintain their power. This is evil. You also condone murder. This also makes you evil.
And also, just because murder is what world government covert operations do, it doesn't mean you should go along with them. You should stand up to them. I feel that you are committing naturalistic fallacy, in that, you look at what these government agents do (aka, murdering innocents), then you go and convince yourself that that is the way things ought to be.
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Yeah, Cory is pretty much a full blown leftist, and probably has a framed picture of joseph stalin next to where he sleeps.
Cory is the voice of reason in a forum populated by people who derive their politics from anecdotes and youtube clips.
You only call cory "the voice of reason" because he's a fellow leftist whose worldviews coincide and conform with yours
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While it's true I agree with Cory's ideology most of the time I have to say that, in my experience, he presents the most well founded evidence based arguments of anyone who visits the politics board regardless of what's actually being argued for. Thus the "voice of reason" claim.
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You condone evil things done by governments to maintain their power. This is evil. You also condone murder. This also makes you evil.
And also, just because murder is what world government covert operations do, it doesn't mean you should go along with them. You should stand up to them. I feel that you are committing naturalistic fallacy, in that, you look at what these government agents do (aka, murdering innocents), then you go and convince yourself that that is the way things ought to be.
Well I guess you can continue being an idealist if you want.
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You Statist ball lickers will all get your throats slashed.
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You Statist ball lickers will all get your throats slashed.
Deep.
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You only call cory "the voice of reason" because he's a fellow leftist whose worldviews coincide and conform with yours
This....aka confirmation bias
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And I'm not an evil person, that's just the way real life works.
Yeah, because real life works in socialist ways, the bolsheviks had to kill millions. Can't have people thinking for themselves, it gets in the way of 'how real life works'.
Your ideology is inhuman and evil.
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And I'm not an evil person, that's just the way real life works.
Yeah, because real life works in socialist ways, the bolsheviks had to kill millions. Can't have people thinking for themselves, it gets in the way of 'how real life works'.
Your ideology is inhuman and evil.
we need a "thanks" button on this board
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Yeah, because real life works in socialist ways, the bolsheviks had to kill millions. Can't have people thinking for themselves, it gets in the way of 'how real life works'.
Yeah, that's not what I said. There are degrees of this kind of thing. Using special forces to kill enemy leaders and disrupt their operations =/= genocide or mass slaughter. Let me ask you this: If you could make the world a better place by killing five people that you hate, would you? If the answer is yes then by WAN's standards you are a "evil inhuman murderer".
You are living in a fantasy world. By your standard killing Hitler (or Stalin, if you please) in 1933 would be "evil and inhuman". Because you killed somebody.
Your ideology is inhuman and evil.
So I guess Norway and Denmark are the epicenter of inhuman evilness. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, because real life works in socialist ways, the bolsheviks had to kill millions. Can't have people thinking for themselves, it gets in the way of 'how real life works'.
Yeah, that's not what I said. There are degrees of this kind of thing. Using special forces to kill enemy leaders and disrupt their operations =/= genocide or mass slaughter. Let me ask you this: If you could make the world a better place by killing five people that you hate, would you? If the answer is yes then by WAN's standards you are a "evil inhuman murderer".
You are living in a fantasy world. By your standard killing Hitler (or Stalin, if you please) in 1933 would be "evil and inhuman". Because you killed somebody.
Your ideology is inhuman and evil.
So I guess Norway and Denmark are the epicenter of inhuman evilness. :rolleyes:
You would kill innocents to advance an ideology; that is very different from executing a heinous criminal or child molester. Execution of convicted capital crimes are the only time I would ever, ever think killing is permissible.
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You would kill innocents to advance an ideology; that is very different from executing a heinous criminal or child molester. Execution of convicted capital crimes are the only time I would ever, ever think killing is permissible.
Again, that's not what I said at all. I just said that it happens.
Let me ask: If I was a citizen of a country that you're country/faction/whatever was at war with, and I was a civilian helping work on a super weapon to destroy you, and you killed me. Would that be evil, or just war?
Life is grey. Very rarely in these kind of situations are there clear cut good guys/bad guys.