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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2014, 06:37:48 pm »
israel wouldnt exist if it werent for the jew-nited states of america

they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer

Absurd. Israel has over 200 nuclear weapons and will use them if it really looks like they are about to loose a conventional war with their neighbors.

I don't think there would be an anti-Semitic wave as a result wither. The Israeli's would most likely only use these weapons tactically against enemy force concentrations in the field, and I think the Arab treatment of Israeli civilians in occupied areas would erase any sympathy for the Arabs.
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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2014, 06:43:02 pm »
Cory, you should know the official name for the "scorched earth" policy of Israel in the event shit goes downhill, its well known theyll nuke everything into the ground. Its called something biblical sounding likr "goliath outcome" or something. Its gonna bug me but you should know what im talking about
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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2014, 08:46:11 pm »
israel wouldnt exist if it werent for the jew-nited states of america

they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer

Absurd. Israel has over 200 nuclear weapons and will use them if it really looks like they are about to loose a conventional war with their neighbors.

I don't think there would be an anti-Semitic wave as a result wither. The Israeli's would most likely only use these weapons tactically against enemy force concentrations in the field, and I think the Arab treatment of Israeli civilians in occupied areas would erase any sympathy for the Arabs.

israel doesnt publicize the quantity of nukes it possesses.  the number could be 5 or 5,000.  google 'the samson option'...there is a wikipedia article about it.  if this were ever enacted the already high levels of antisemitism would explode in a manner that would possibly result in the extermination of the jewish religion and anyone claiming to be a jew.

anti-israeli sentiment is already astronomical after the multiple war crimes they committed during the last 'war' between hamas.  why there havent been war crimes tribunals like there were after WWII shows how hypocritical they are.  you do realize 'occupied' areas belong to the arabs and the jews are invaders, right?

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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2014, 08:49:10 pm »
Samson option was what I was talking about 1 post above you.

Israels sattelites luterally have a reverse orbit
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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2014, 01:20:04 am »
israel doesnt publicize the quantity of nukes it possesses.  the number could be 5 or 5,000.

I know, but it's widely considered to be around 200 or so, including SLBM's for a second-strike capability. 

google 'the samson option'...there is a wikipedia article about it.  if this were ever enacted the already high levels of antisemitism would explode in a manner that would possibly result in the extermination of the jewish religion and anyone claiming to be a jew.

I know about the Samson Option but the thing is unless there was an nuclear strike against Israel it's highly unlikely that they would use the option in full. They would probably launch limited tactical nuclear strikes against Arab forces in the field to force the Arabs to make peace and forfeit their gains. What you said about the global liquidation of Judaism is absurd even if Israel did launch a massive strategic attack.

anti-israeli sentiment is already astronomical after the multiple war crimes they committed during the last 'war' between hamas.  why there havent been war crimes tribunals like there were after WWII shows how hypocritical they are.


Because Israel hasn't been invaded and conquered the way Germany was?

you do realize 'occupied' areas belong to the arabs and the jews are invaders, right?

This is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with what I was talking about. This in no way proves that
"they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer".
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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2014, 01:32:40 am »
israel doesnt publicize the quantity of nukes it possesses.  the number could be 5 or 5,000.

I know, but it's widely considered to be around 200 or so, including SLBM's for a second-strike capability. 

google 'the samson option'...there is a wikipedia article about it.  if this were ever enacted the already high levels of antisemitism would explode in a manner that would possibly result in the extermination of the jewish religion and anyone claiming to be a jew.

I know about the Samson Option but the thing is unless there was an nuclear strike against Israel it's highly unlikely that they would use the option in full. They would probably launch limited tactical nuclear strikes against Arab forces in the field to force the Arabs to make peace and forfeit their gains. What you said about the global liquidation of Judaism is absurd even if Israel did launch a massive strategic attack.


anti-israeli sentiment is already astronomical after the multiple war crimes they committed during the last 'war' between hamas.  why there havent been war crimes tribunals like there were after WWII shows how hypocritical they are.


Because Israel hasn't been invaded and conquered the way Germany was?

you do realize 'occupied' areas belong to the arabs and the jews are invaders, right?

This is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with what I was talking about. This in no way proves that
"they would be over-run in about 3 days without support from the US taxpayer".

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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2014, 01:34:21 am »
'widely considered' is irrelevant without verifiable OOB info

you never know what the jews are going to do.  theyre as mentally unstable as they are sociopathic. if the jews drop a nuke on any major muslim population center it will be a rallying point for hajis throughout the world and would not fare well.  europeans tried to exterminate jews during the middle ages for any one of several different reasons, valid or not, based on little more than unverifiable word of mouth. if the jews drop a nuke on any western city it will be the impetus for an anti-semetic event the likes of which would make the holocaust pale in comparison. nobody likes the jews to start with and if they pull such a stunt their control of the media wont save them from the backlash.

it has nothing to do with being invaded.  it has to do with lying to the press about their astronomical civilian casualties and exorbitant, intentional, collateral damage.

you brought up arab treatment of jews in the occupied areas, making it fully relevant.  israel does not have the economy to support its military and without the US taxpaying subsidizing it the better-funded arab armies would tear israel to pieces

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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2014, 06:03:25 pm »
'widely considered' is irrelevant without verifiable OOB info

I could say the same thing back to you, so "widely considered" is as good as it gets.

you never know what the jews are going to do.  theyre as mentally unstable as they are sociopathic. if the jews drop a nuke on any major muslim population center it will be a rallying point for hajis throughout the world and would not fare well.


Here's the thing, the Israeli's aren't stupid and aren't going to nuke major cities unless the Arabs/Iran does it first. It makes much more sense to use tactical nuclear weapons to force the Arabs to the table. Even if they for some reason did hit a major city the Arabs can be as pissed as they want but it won't matter. Their governments aren't going to literally invite nuclear destruction just to try (and fail) to defeat Israel.

europeans tried to exterminate jews during the middle ages for any one of several different reasons, valid or not, based on little more than unverifiable word of mouth. if the jews drop a nuke on any western city it will be the impetus for an anti-semetic event the likes of which would make the holocaust pale in comparison. nobody likes the jews to start with and if they pull such a stunt their control of the media wont save them from the backlash.


Now your changing the subject/moving the goalpost. We aren't talking about Israel nuking a Western city. That's just silly.

it has nothing to do with being invaded.  it has to do with lying to the press about their astronomical civilian casualties and exorbitant, intentional, collateral damage.


What is "it"? You're all over the place here.

you brought up arab treatment of jews in the occupied areas, making it fully relevant.  israel does not have the economy to support its military and without the US taxpaying subsidizing it the better-funded arab armies would tear israel to pieces

A.) I'm talking about how Arab soldiers would treat Israeli citizens living within the 1967 borders, which the Arabs would have taken some of those areas if it got to the point where the Israeli's were considering the nuclear option.

B.) Israel has a strong and dynamic economy that is much, much better then any of her neighbors. Jordan and Saudi Arabia just have oil and money but hove low manpower and no real industry to speak of. Israel isn't as dependent of American support as you might think.
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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2014, 06:10:17 pm »
All i am hearing is 1 side is better then the other.

there both as bad as each other. We should turn the whole area into a private car park for the saudis

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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2014, 06:19:17 pm »
>implying Israel wouldn't love to nuke Tehran
>implying the US wouldn't justify that
>implying a united arab front against Israel (not along sectarian lines) wouldn't make them fearful enough to do so
>implying "strategic nuclear strikes on advancing armies" are even a thing
>implying Israel's smaller population than its neighbors doesn't make it fearful of widespread casualties
>implying Israels aircraft haven't been trained for long range drops
>implying Israeli drones aren't in Yemen
>implying if Yemen wasn't a geopolitical joke Israel wouldn't have declared war on them already
>implying if Israeli ground forces falter and Israeli cities are occupied that isn't the option they'd immediately go to
>implying Israel isn't half the reason there's so much trepidation around Iran developing nuclear technology, despite the fact that persians are skilled fucking chemists and bioengineers
>implying Israel hasn't admitted to stockpiling and acquiring weapons of mass destruction to use against Iran
>implying they said they weren't going to use them on the Saudi's to stoke the sectarian divide
>implying the Iranian army wouldn't rape the Israeli's in a ground battle
>implying air strikes  would be effective against such an onslaught
>implying a divided middle east isn't Israels foreign policy in hopes of preventing a crushing defeat
>implying Israel has a right to exist there in the first place

Ok, maybe some of these implications are inferences I ascertained from your posts but I still think you should address them bby
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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2014, 08:21:36 pm »
So I see you decided to just basically ignore everything I said and post a Gish Gallop instead but here we go....

>implying Israel wouldn't love to nuke Tehran
>implying the US wouldn't justify that

Why would Israel "love" to nuke Tehran? Also the US wouldn't justify it if Israel just up and did it for no reason. If anything we would be super fucking pissed that they just massively destabilized the region seemingly for fun. You seem to have a very stereotyped and base view of the world.

>implying a united arab front against Israel (not along sectarian lines) wouldn't make them fearful enough to do so

Except I never actually said or implied that. Matter of fact that's the exact scenario I was talking about in which Israel would be forced to utilize it's nuclear option.

>implying "strategic nuclear strikes on advancing armies" are even a thing

:facepalm:

Except (again) that's not even what I said. Strategic nuclear attacks against enemy forces aren't a thing. Tactical nuclear attacks are. Google the concept for fucks sake. You literally have no idea what you're talking about if you are serious here.

>implying Israel's smaller population than its neighbors doesn't make it fearful of widespread casualties

Except nothing I said implied that, again.

>implying Israels aircraft haven't been trained for long range drops
>implying Israeli drones aren't in Yemen

Who the fuck cares? What does that have to do with anything we are talking about?

>implying if Yemen wasn't a geopolitical joke Israel wouldn't have declared war on them already

Why the fuck would they do that? What would Israel have to gain form declaring war on Yemen?

>implying if Israeli ground forces falter and Israeli cities are occupied that isn't the option they'd immediately go to

Except that's the exact fucking opposite of what I said you awful moron. I clearly state in my posts that Israel would use tactical nuclear strikes against the Arabs if it looked like they were going to loose. Can you read?

>implying Israel isn't half the reason there's so much trepidation around Iran developing nuclear technology, despite the fact that persians are skilled fucking chemists and bioengineers

Except I never said or implied this again. Israel wishes to maintain it's nuclear monopoly in the region for obvious purposes and thus opposes Iran's program.

>implying Israel hasn't admitted to stockpiling and acquiring weapons of mass destruction to use against Iran

Every nation stockpiles weapons to use against every other nation. All because Israel has nukes doesn't mean that they are stockpiling them to "use against Iran". Matter of fact they were first acquired to gaurentee their independent from Egypt and Syria.

>implying they said they weren't going to use them on the Saudi's to stoke the sectarian divide

They don't need to "stoke" shit. Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Iran have always been arch-enemies.

>implying the Iranian army wouldn't rape the Israeli's in a ground battle

You officially have no idea what you're talking about. The exact opposite of this is the case. Israel might very well be the highest quality military in the world.

>implying air strikes  would be effective against such an onslaught

In case you didn't notice, air power is a big fucking deal. If you really think air power doesn't matter and that the Iranian army has better quality then Israel you are hopelessly out of touch.

>implying a divided middle east isn't Israels foreign policy in hopes of preventing a crushing defeat

Except I didn't say or imply that in any way. You're just making shit up at this point.

>implying Israel has a right to exist there in the first place

Most of the people who live in Israel have known that as their only home. History works that way sometimes. Nobody "deserves" anything, life isn't always fair. By your metric no nation on earth deserves to exist because they conquered their land from somebody at some point or another.

Ok, maybe some of these implications are inferences I ascertained from your posts but I still think you should address them bby

Yeah, don't try that dishonest Gish Gallop bullshit again and this time try to actually respond to what I said.
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Re: Russia Vs Israel
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2014, 10:32:30 pm »
The US is so far up the Zionist Imperial scum's arse they (Israel), will never have to worry about other countries' disdain for their conquest of Palestinian land. The only way these slimey fucks can be destroyed is by bombing Mecca and pinning the blame on the jews.
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2014, 10:37:58 pm »
The US is so far up the Zionist Imperial scum's arse they (Israel), will never have to worry about other countries' disdain for their conquest of Palestinian land. The only way these slimey fucks can be destroyed is by bombing Mecca and pinning the blame on the jews.

Dont blame the US...its the jews over here that are running the show

The fucking hajis think they have it so bad off...at least the jews arent infesting every level of the government and economy in their country

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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2014, 12:20:57 am »
@ unbreakable matter:

Yeah, that's basically what I thought.
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