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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2014, 04:28:24 am »
I'm no expert, but I have noticed that when I am on this site, the HTTP request shows my IP address and other IP addresses that I have had, being sent to the server as part of the request.

Well, your real IP is getting sent in the request but all such requests have to go through Cloudflare servers, and when they come out of them and come to us, they come back with IP's of different cloudflare server IP's instead. Cloudflare does put the real IP in the header under X-Forwarded-For and also under Cloudflare-IP but the host won't set it to where it will read the IP from those two instead of how it currently is until we upgrade which will cost $275 per year extra to do.


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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2014, 04:32:06 am »
Well, your real IP is getting sent in the request but all such requests have to go through Cloudflare servers, and when they come out of them and come to us, they come back with IP's of different cloudflare server IP's instead. Cloudflare does put the real IP in the header under X-Forwarded-For and also under Cloudflare-IP but the host won't set it to where it will read the IP from those two instead of how it currently is until we upgrade which will cost $275 per year extra to do.

Hmm, so it is.  I just checked my own and it's not correct.  Interesting.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2014, 04:32:58 am »
2. I don't have their IP address or even their real email probably.

Yes but CloudFlare, a large US company, does.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2014, 04:46:51 am »
Yes but CloudFlare, a large US company, does.

True, but there's nothing I can do about that. If I took it off, then all the heat would just be directed back at me. Yes, if the gov really comes to my door with a warrant, I will give them the IP's. It'd be incredibly stupid not to.

Moral of the story, don't admit to any crimes here. Period.


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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2014, 04:51:15 am »
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2014, 04:54:56 am »
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

We are individually responsible.  But it's never good to had the Admin just hand over information just people they are asked.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2014, 04:55:53 am »
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

I never said anyone was owed any protection, instead there are ways to not make it easy for them, make their jobs more difficult, and depending on the circumstances go tell them to go fuck themselves completely.

As usual Zanick, you are just spewing fanciful bullshit that nobody ever said....because you never have anything substantial or topical to add to these big boy conversations. Notice how your ONLY "contribution"(?) to this thread has been trolling me?

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Go away PI abuser, you really have absolutely no worth in this discussion (or anywhere else actually)

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2014, 04:58:41 am »
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

It's because he's an admitted pedophile and he doesn't want a visit from the good Mr. Hansen

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2014, 05:00:52 am »


It's because he's an admitted pedophile and he doesn't want a visit from the good Mr. Hansen

And of course Lanny's mind can never stop focusing on kid fucking.  :roll:

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2014, 05:03:52 am »
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

I never said anyone was owed any protection, instead there are ways to not make it easy for them, make their jobs more difficult, and depending on the circumstances go tell them to go fuck themselves completely.

As usual Zanick, you are just spewing fanciful bullshit that nobody ever said....because you never have anything substantial or topical to add to these big boy conversations. Notice how your ONLY "contribution"(?) to this thread has been trolling me?

Herp. Derp. AND Slobber!

Go away PI abuser, you really have absolutely no worth in this discussion (or anywhere else actually)

Dodging a federal subpoena to keep IP addresses hidden isn't protection? You're an idiot. You've done no such thing. I doubt you've ever been served one. You're full of shit.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2014, 05:22:18 am »
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

Just FYI, the PM system isn't private at all as such messages are stored in the database completely unencrypted.


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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2014, 05:27:57 am »
Just FYI, the PM system isn't private at all as such messages are stored in the database completely unencrypted.

Maybe that should be changed?

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2014, 06:20:20 am »
Maybe that should be changed?

What could you even do about it though? You have to be able to encrypt/decrypt messages on demand (so people can send/receive them) so you have to store the key on the server... right next to the messages it's encrypting. No gains there. You could generate keypairs from passwords and store the public half for each user but you're still receiving plaintext messages, not to mention you have the password (and therefore the private key) at login time. And that's not a terribly simple system to implement either. Better to just treat the PM system as insecure beyond setting up a real channel. You (as a user) can exchange PGP keys if you want, that's probably the easiest thing to do if you care about keeping PMs private.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2014, 06:23:14 am »
Yes but CloudFlare, a large US company, does.

True, but there's nothing I can do about that. If I took it off, then all the heat would just be directed back at me. Yes, if the gov really comes to my door with a warrant, I will give them the IP's. It'd be incredibly stupid not to.

Moral of the story, don't admit to any crimes here. Period.

I can respect that. At least you let everyone know ahead of time.
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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2014, 06:42:16 am »
Arnox would break down and cry like a little bitch, probably piss and shit himself simultaneously if the FBI or even state cops showed up at his door asking for IP logs.