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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2014, 03:24:38 am »
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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2014, 03:33:26 am »


He doesn't. And it's a stupid one. He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.

Speak for yourself, kidiot. I realize its hard for some shadow slurking simpleton like yourself to believe people actually possess a backbone in this world....but not everyone genuflects any time law enforcement comes sniffing around. You are probably the type of sap that if you were pulled over for a simple traffic stop, would openly tell him you are carrying weed thinking you would avoid time in the bighouse.

There's all kinds of ways to delay/supress a subpoena, especially dealing with forking over data from a computer. With coupon guy were the feds at his door with a warrant? Or did the little coward get a piece of paper in the mail and thusly shit himself? Sorry baby boy, but real men don't shudder over papers shuffling back and forth.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2014, 03:40:38 am »
I got shot at. The guy unloaded everything. I got hit on my leg and hip. I seen his face and car but I told the police I didn't see nothing. That's nothing to brag about my point is not everyone is a snitch. I rather shoot those guys who shot me in the face then tell the cops who shot me. 3 weeks later that fag in the blue mustang got shot 4 times but the adrinaline (Maybe misspelled) kept him driving til he made it til the gas station where he died. I didn't have nothing to do with it but karma is a bitch. I partied that day he died in celebration.
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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2014, 03:41:44 am »


He doesn't. And it's a stupid one. He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.

Speak for yourself, kidiot. I realize its hard for some shadow slurking simpleton like yourself to believe people actually possess a backbone in this world....but not everyone genuflects any time law enforcement comes sniffing around. You are probably the type of sap that if you were pulled over for a simple traffic stop, would openly tell him you are carrying weed thinking you would avoid time in the bighouse.

There's all kinds of ways to delay/supress a subpoena, especially dealing with forking over data from a computer. With coupon guy were the feds at his door with a warrant? Or did the little coward get a piece of paper in the mail and thusly shit himself? Sorry baby boy, but real men don't shudder over papers shuffling back and forth.

Guru can you share with us your experience and tell us what one can do to delay/suppress a subpoena?  I realize that we live in different countries (you in US and me in Canada) however I believe the principle should be the same.


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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2014, 03:45:56 am »


He doesn't. And it's a stupid one. He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.

Speak for yourself, kidiot. I realize its hard for some shadow slurking simpleton like yourself to believe people actually possess a backbone in this world....but not everyone genuflects any time law enforcement comes sniffing around. You are probably the type of sap that if you were pulled over for a simple traffic stop, would openly tell him you are carrying weed thinking you would avoid time in the bighouse.

There's all kinds of ways to delay/supress a subpoena, especially dealing with forking over data from a computer. With coupon guy were the feds at his door with a warrant? Or did the little coward get a piece of paper in the mail and thusly shit himself? Sorry baby boy, but real men don't shudder over papers shuffling back and forth.

You only talk big. If your ass was on the line because some teenager on your website broke the law you'd bend over and beg the feds to extend their authority right into your gaping BBS-hole.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2014, 03:52:22 am »
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2014, 03:59:26 am »
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.

This. Like the user.mentioned earlier in the news article, if it was really him, do you really think he would post it here?
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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2014, 04:09:34 am »
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.

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Furthermore.

1. We are nothing but a blip on the radar right now. Perhaps not even that. That gives us security.

2. What are they going to incriminate me for? Someone on the website confessed to a crime on here? I don't have their IP address or even their real email probably. Evil information on here? This site is hosted in the Netherlands and as such, only has to comply with their laws and government. If anyone in the US has a problem with the content, they will have to take it up with them. Could they really get it if they wanted to? Sure. But it would probably be a big hassle just to do that to say the least. There's a reason I hosted this site overseas instead of in good ol' 'murica.

3. And finally, being the obscure good little Mormon boy that I am, I have nothing on my records and will continue to have nothing on my records since I actually, you know, like to stay within the law.


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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2014, 04:11:42 am »
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.

(This response was written by someone who is "not" me) 8)

 I was thinking this exactly before I ever got to it. Really, common sense can go a long way.. whereas, the lack thereof will most certainly encourage your demise.. at your own hand no less. C-Y-A.. Cover your ass.. unfortunately, you are held accountable for everything you say or write.. and once it's out there, well.. its out there. I personally think Arnox would handle a situation like that just fine, then again, even though I get and fully respect the whole "not snitching" concept.. It's almost like betraying Karma her due, depending on how fucking retarded the offense was or how easily it could have been avoided. In real life situations, you can take matter into your own hands.. if someone fucks up on here and brings it down on someone who otherwise was careful.. where is our karma? How are we supposed me make sure to amend our fellow idiots wrong?

 Always gotta play a bit of devils advocate.. it'd be boring otherwise. As a community, if that's what we want to be, we have to more/less stick together and be ready to cover possibly an accidental slip up.. could be a newb, could be a veteran contributor.. in such an instance, would it not be wise if the supporting userbase tried to help.. mask the offender by unifying jointly with some ratinal excuse.. the whole board was taken over and multiple accounts used by an outside party to try and frame and take down the board? Or.. unify jointly to defend the fellow offender by persisting that all discussion has and will always be hypothetical in nature.. I mean, I dont know how well that would actually stand in a court type scenario.. Honestly I'm a little tired, but there may be something worth taking away from this post.. Someone better versed in the law would have a better grasp on whatever it is SWIM is trying to imply.. Heh.
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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2014, 04:12:49 am »
God man.  God bless.  Doing it for Joseph Smith.  Riding on a bicycle with a name-tag.  Three bibles.  Good man.   :tup:

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2014, 04:15:04 am »
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.

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Furthermore.

1. We are nothing but a blip on the radar right now. Perhaps not even that. That gives us security.

2. What are they going to incriminate me for? Someone on the website confessed to a crime on here? I don't have their IP address or even their real email probably. Evil information on here? This site is hosted in the Netherlands and as such, only has to comply with their laws and government. If anyone in the US has a problem with the content, they will have to take it up with them. Could they really get it if they wanted to? Sure. But it would probably be a big hassle just to do that to say the least. There's a reason I hosted this site overseas instead of in good ol' 'murica.

3. And finally, being the obscure good little Mormon boy that I am, I have nothing on my records and will continue to have nothing on my records since I actually, you know, like to stay within the law.
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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2014, 04:16:13 am »


Guru can you share with us your experience and tell us what one can do to delay/suppress a subpoena?  I realize that we live in different countries (you in US and me in Canada) however I believe the principle should be the same.

Just lie and deny for the most part, and always stand your ground....never waiver or go back on anything you've said. Contact whoever subpoena'd you and if its a court ordered appearance, explain the hardship that particular date would cause you. It helps having friends across the country, as you can use other phone numbers or addresses to where you'll be on such and such a date. Maybe you are caring for an infirmed relative halfway across the country, or consulting for whatever business....there is zero proof you are at the physical address right now. Especially in an era of cell phones.

If its physical evidence..."nope, sorry.....never collected or retained any of those documents'. Or..."gosh golly, I just threw all that out 18 months ago, I can give you the address of the local landfill". If you suspect they will get a warrant to search whatever premises, its not hard to stage a break-in and document all of your "losses"...."OMG! they stole my TV, my PS3 AND my laptop!".

Sure you may piss off a judge and he may find you in contempt depending on the circumstances, it all depends what kind of a hardass you want to be and what you are willing to put on the line. Contrary to what spindly little chumps like Zanick believe, some people do have fundamental principles in this world...and aren't willing to snitch or sell people out at the drop of a hat.

It really does come down to demeanor and attitude dealing with lawyers and judges. They are used to throwing their weight around and getting their way, or at the very least tripping people up during the deposition process. If you are a good liar or a stubborn son of a bitch that will never crack, many times their bullying/tricky tactics will fail. I had one lawyer tell me after a deposition..."that might have been the greatest deposition I ever witnessed, you are an absolute statue, and as hard as that lawyer tried manipulating you, you didn't give him so much as a crack or an inkling to work with."

Basically, every situation is different. If you have other witnesses that can testify...."he has such and such documents in that locked filing cabinet"...then sure your situation might be a lot trickier to get out of. But that is why you exercise diligence, caution, and discretion BEFORE any subpoenas are coming your way....that way its a lot easier making your claims without any contrary evidence or witness to something different.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2014, 04:18:08 am »
I don't have their IP address or even their real email probably.

Are you sure?

I'm no expert, but I have noticed that when I am on this site, the HTTP request shows my IP address and other IP addresses that I have had, being sent to the server as part of the request.

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Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2014, 04:18:26 am »
He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.

In the event of a subpoena, I would expect him to hand it over, I don't think he would have a choice.  But what if the Federal Bureau of Investigation showed up at his door, and simply asked for a list of IP addresses?  Would Arnox just hand it over?
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Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2014, 04:20:52 am »
Just checked on that post I made...

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Content-Disposition: form-data; name="bb2_screener_"
^This has my IP being sent as part of the request.  It contains three other IP addresses as well(those are probably other IP addresses I've had recently), directly below it(I won't post that part).