The Official Staff Complaint/Hate Thread

[constantinople]

there is literally nothing on this site but drama.

for a site with such a small userbase, the level of complaints, drama and general bandwagoning versus actual, worthwhile threads is staggering.

It's not because the majority of users take that stance of just posting only about drama, it's because the most prolific posters chose to cry about drama that doesn't exist. It was like that on zoklet almost from the get-go.

#1 its istanbul not constantinople

#2 no one likes your avatar, what are you trying to make some faggot leftist statement about jesus riding on that fucking cloud dragon from a never ending story? 

#3 whatever you are typing about is bullshit, just bullshit.  Doesn't really matter what it is, I am sure that you are wrong about it.

1.) No it's not.

2.) It's a luck dragon, not a cloud dragon.

3.) I can feel your butthurt.

[Obbe]

I'd never really seen things from this moderator perspective before, and I've gotta say it's really fascinating.  Most of us really want the same thing: a fun forum where everyone is allowed to express themselves without fear of bans or censorship.  The whole freedom of speech spiel, right?  But there have been petty Nazi mods *cough* meta *cough*, absent admins and all sort of nasty things preventing us from becoming a true internet utopia.  Fuckin' mods, amirite?

But wow, watching you guys from this new place.  I've been tasked with gently keeping things on track as we all express ourselves and be our awesome individual selves.  For the most part it's been really great.  But this drama seems to come out of nowhere, and take the board over like some sorta toxic cloud of death.  It's no good when half the threads in the "Recent Posts" list are little more than hateful spam directed at the staff.  I mean, do you guys realize how that looks to people considering registering?  Or even to the people already here, simply trying to do their own thing.  Slave, as intelligent and rational as you as, very few people want to read your paragraphs of complaint about how I'm working to defame your character.  In many ways these emotional expressions of anger directed at me are seriously detrimental to the website.  Even losers and degenerates (as we are ) aren't going to appreciate this constant drama over basically nothing.

The hate may be coming from a good place, as we're all concerned about the website and want to see it succeed.  Somewhere though, that rational concern gets lost through human corruption and it comes out as mindless and mean nonsense.  Does this make sense?  Good intentions good, blind drama bad.

Can we all just calm down, and like.  Be our fun, individual selves?  Without the drama.  Please god without the drama.  If you have a sincere concern, talk to me.  My door is open.  But remember: drama bad.  productive communication very good.

No.  We can't.   I cannot allow you to attempt to propagate your opinions as if they were the one true path to internet utopia.   I mean, that's like, just your opinion,  man.  Everyone has an opinion and this should be a place where we can express these opinions without being suppressed by emotionally weak moderators.  I personally would much rather read challenging and impressive posts made by people like SOTB than the sort of mushy crap you vomit out of your keyboard. So, as much as you may not like it, people will not calm down.  They will continue to express themselves and yes that will cause conflict,  but conflict is what makes our conversations productive and worthwhile.  If that isn't allowed then this place will turn back into a small, boring circle jerk of back patting and hand holding,  and nobody wants to be  part of something like that but emotionally weak degenerates.

[starvingniglet]

1.) No it's not.

2.) It's a luck dragon, not a cloud dragon.

3.) I can feel your butthurt.

1-Why

2-ahahaha you know enough about that fucking movie to correct me about the name of the faggiest character in it.

3-wrong, just like everything else you type

[Ninja]

I think this whole site is a Social Justice Warrior project.

I think they set it up and tried to get everyone to come here so they could destroy the community. 

Is there another place where people are going, because after reading Arnox's and Equanimity's responses in this thread, I feel like they're trying to sweetly talk me into some tranny three-way, where we all just love each other and everything will be great. 

FUCK THAT!

[Rocklin]

Funny how nobody even notices I am a part of the mod team.   no complaints?

[Ninja]

Funny how nobody even notices I am a part of the mod team.   no complaints?

IDK, Jesus seems to fucking hate you.

[Rocklin]

IDK, Jesus seems to fucking hate you.

Jesus is an alt account of an alt account of a banned member.  all I did was infract him once on the first alt.....once on the second.
I don't insta-ban contrary to what he says,   after the first infraction depending on the offence the second time a "rule" is broken a ban may be issued.   he was banned by another mod/admin first,  me second for distribution of PI and ban evading and then again by another mod/admin for other offences.

he is welcome back if he can cool it,   I don't judge.

[Slave of the Beast]

And you've already demonstrated you completely fail to grasp the concept that flaming someone in B&M indicates nothing about how they act outside of it. I've lost count over the years how many times fine users, mods and  Admins have publically torn someone a new asshole in &T or Zok's B&M.

Consequently, suggesting using 'unnecessary names' in B&M somehow soils my character across the site and userbase is as hilarious as it is meaningless.

If you constantly flame people in B&M, (notice that I didn't say "complain about" or "call someone out") that's not admirable behavior. Does it completely wreck your reputation? Of course not. Does it impact it? Yes it does. Every post you make counts in some small way toward your reputation. Oh, and I mean "people" in a very vague sense, not specifically the site.

I don't. And even if I did, so what? That makes about as much sense as complaining someone goes into MadSci and all they talk about is science and maths.

And please re-read the bold sentences...or should we simply assume we're going to be judged not by the tradition or history of this community, i.e. that no one would've batted an eyelid if I'd said what we're talking about on the original totse's B&M, but by some kind of Mormon morality assessment based on what language we use in the flaming forum?

Yes, she is very sweet and polite when she's lying through her teeth.

*sigh* She told you that she thought you were acting rather petty and making uselessly snide remarks than represent yourself as someone worthy of respect. She said that thread she cited was a good example. You demanded she cite more threads. And then it looks like she just didn't care anymore. Because it was just an opinion and she thought you were being petty. And actually, you really are blowing this way out of proportion. She stated her opinion of you and you starting making a huge deal out of it as if she had somehow did some sort of massive damage to your character. In fact, you're still making a big deal out of it and now you're saying that she's a liar.

And lets just go back to what I said, shall we? These were our last comments on the subject:

Try not to be so naive. As is frequently the case with E her post was superficial and without substance; she didn't back it up because she couldn't.

Ergo she lied, or, I'll concede, was being retarded.

You're complicating the matter immensely. She said you have a tendency to sling insults at some people. You directly implied you didn't, and I told you that you're kinda contradicting yourself.

A tendency she elaborated on with one example. I stand by responses. They were wholly appropriate for this forum.

What does being appropriate for the sub-forum have anything to do with what we're talking about there? In the end, I stand by what I said. She said you have a tendency to sling insults at some some people. You directly implied you didn't, and I told you that you kinda contradicted yourself by calling her a cunt right in that same post. Simple as that.

What you said is rendered irrelevant by the context in which it was said. This is really not complicated. Or rather it would be far less complicated for you to understand if you'd actually spent any time on the original site you're trying to emulate. In short it appears by defending myself in a fashion that's appropriate to the forum, which by definition in this case includes calling people cunts and therefore contradicts nothing (sub forum? B&M doesn't have a sub forum...) I condemn myself.

If you want judge people's character based on them using naughty words in B&M then you should've called this place IntoSundaySchool.

this is all I find necessary to point out for the sake of clarity

 Bitch & Moan
Bitch, moan, flame, and complain.

That's not what I meant at all. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Oh Sweet Jesus...

What is this, some kind of test? Arnox, if you disapprove of someone going into a forum, and then judge their character unfavourably, for doing exactly what the forum states it is there for then you need to change either your attitude or the damned forum description.

[Tokolosh]

And furthermore, I don't have the time or the motivation to answer every single little complaint against me

So what was the point of condensing members issues with staffing into one big shitfest thread if you're just going to give up and complain about the immediate volume of complaints? It's only on page ten and been up for two days.

At least when people made their own threads about you or any other mod, the staff in question can just drop into the thread, reply best they can and just leave the thread to die. This thread will literally be 100+ where you feel 'obliged' to reply and do fuck all about what anyone's complaining about. And in the long run, if people happen to have the same grievances as other users, they wont know because no one wants to trawl through pages and pages of posts.

The maneuver to segregate users protests into one thread is so fucking backwards and I hope you come to realise this. It's really a newbish error a forum admin can make espcially when they have a whole board dedicated to this concept.

In terms of drama the only thing you should be maintaining is any overflow into other forums which hinder discussion and debate. Not making rash decisions because your feelings are getting hurt over the critique of your poor choices.

[Vulture]

I'm not gonna take the time to find every thread, because if you'd be paying attention and get your head out of your ass you could see all the finite examples I'm about to describe...

Spoiler

-Moving thread around willy nilly as his suits him. Oftentimes not even moving them to the forum he intends them to be moved ("herp derp, this is more appropriate for B&M or HB".....all the while he's posting that comment after moving it in NIMF)

-Moving threads into B&M after several days and several pages of being elsewhere, with the excuse "well the tone of this thread has changed"...which is usually caused by HIS participation in said thread and everyone else putting the little creep in his place.

-Infracting/banning people for hurting his feelings

-Not having any clue to what the REAL definition of "spam" is....again, if his feelings are hurt its now considered spam

-Trying to change the purpose of forums themselves. Whining because people use "mean" language in B&M and they aren't nicer with their discourse. Even so far as labeling one of the better posters to ever find a keyboard as a "trouble maker"....all because he's bitching and moaning in the Bitch and Moan forum.

-Doing stupid and immature stuff....like wanting post count reset, changing names on a whim, etc.

-Being a sub-par poster as a whole. Really doesn't "add" anything to most of the discussions, and just trolls nonsense with the constant peace/love/can't we all just get along in an arena that is supposed to ENCOURAGE debate, not constant agreement.

-Is a lousy representative of the website, the culture and the subject matter discussed. Anti-gun, anti-drug, anti-violence, anti-conflict.....all the hippy trippy ideology of hand holding and peace.

Now to some the last few may sound petty to even care about, but again the entire purpose of a moderator is to be one of the "better" posters and be a guiding influence on site politics and what the place is "about". Instead of giving off a Totse-esque type vibe to attract and retain new users, this place is becoming more and more like some frilly soft fag fest, or an old ladies bridge club.

Along with that, when Arnox is making bold and grandiose statements of moderators having to be exemplary, mature, stable, professional etc.....all the behaviors above and his personality in general are in complete contrast of his supposed pre-requisites.

In essence, not only is he abusing his mod perks....but especially making a mockery of what this place is supposed to be about, along with dragging Arnox's credibility right through the mud. Arnox is too stubborn to admit he made a terrible mistake, and in the end he is losing more respect as every hour goes by when Zek continues to act like such an immature, flaky, and awkward little bitch that quite simply does NOT fit in with the userbase, the Totse ideals backing it, and the more hardcore/controversial subject matter that makes him so squeamish.

As for the Lorax comment, I'm not sure what you mean as I'm not familiar with all of that...but given the context of what you were responding to, I'll assume you claim I'm putting myself in the guise of "spokesperson" for the entire website. As I've said earlier, only a small handful of people left are "supporting" Arnox in regard to any of this Zek farce, and again if you were paying any attention at all....the "disappointed" comment was a tongue-in-cheek reference mocking Arnox himself because he used the same verbiage towards a member a couple of days ago while sitting on his high horse casting judgement on the people trying to open his eyes to the simple common sense he continues to purposely avoid. Basically making him eat the same shit he is slinging. 

You don't have the time to cite a single example, but you had the time to type all that?

Everything you mentioned is either irrelevant or inaccurate. This forum has no obligation to live up to your personal vision, in the same way that Jesus had no obligation to fulfill his parent's vision of spending his life as a carpenter.

Basically making him eat the same shit he is slinging.

Yeah... about that... How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations

And aside from Spectral and Daguru which other users would you group in this category?

Well if 'they' were right that would be childish and insecure. An argument is no less valid simply because of its style.

Anyone else repeatedly spouting bullshit without a basis for their claims? DaGuru really owns a category all by himself, tbh.

And no. For some, being right on one intuitive insight only justifies all of their other intuitive "insights," causing many more problems down the road. MOAR INCESSANT BITCHING!!!

I mean, seriously, Lanny. Do you really, truly, in your heart of hearts not understand why people hate and are so disgusted by Zek and its behavior? Now, you might not agree with the reasons why or see things the same way, and I'm not asking you to. However, there's really only two acceptable answers here and I'm curious as to which one you feel is best :

1. "No, I have absolutely no idea why someone wouldn't like Zek."

2. "I like Zek, but I can understand why others may not."

If Zek isn't here, what have you wasted/gained by criticizing a goat for being a donkey? I see a whole lot of wasted effort, which, well.... seems very un-proots-like. Yes, I know you said you'd take it all back if Equan wasn't Zek, but... you're still spending time on it, and so are a lot of others. It boggles me. Even if she is Zek there's more than enough bitching precedent available to say "Ha! Gotcha!" in the end if it's discovered.

Fuck, what if I'm Zek?


@Arnox: Doublecheck yo quotes be4 finalizing edits, nigga!

[Slave of the Beast]

Funny how nobody even notices I am a part of the mod team.   no complaints?

I am available for private hire, but I must warn you... I'm very expensive.

[Obbe]

His questions would easily be answered if he looked in our Staffing Policies thread.

You could have just said this instead of ignoring me completely until yet another poster brought it up.  But ok.  I searched for that thread.  I found it and read it.  It does not explain why you chose equanimity to be a mod or why you have not also modded SOTB.

And furthermore, I don't have the time or the motivation to answer every single little complaint against me or how I scratch my left cheek.

In that case, what was the purpose of merging all staff complaints into a single thread?  Just to hide it all?  That would be censorship, which is something you said staff does not do.  Were you lying when you said that, or ... ?

You'll forgive me if I get a little tired of discussing how equanimity is not Satan for the hundred-thousandth time or how even if she is, demoting her would be a very straight forward matter.

I didn't ask how equanimity is not Satan - I asked why you decided to make equanimity a moderator.  I just want to know what your reasoning was.  You claim in the staff policies thread to only pick "the best", that moderators will be "held to a high standard".  But in this case your reasons for making equanimity a moderator appear to be entirely emotional and not at all based on merit.  My question has given you the opportunity to actually explain your reasoning, not just to me but to everyone.  And instead of taking that opportunity you decide to deflect the question by referring to a thread that does not even answer the question.

So again:  Why did you decide to make equanimity a moderator?

SotB was not made a mod originally because he wasn't all that active, but now... His character doesn't stand out to me anymore as all that impressive.

But equanimity does?  Really?  You honestly find equanimity to be "more impressive" than SOTB?

More emotionally fragile, I could believe.  More nauseating, I could believe.  More impressive?  What about equanimity is so impressive?  SOTB is probably one of the smarter and more logical minded people currently posting on our forums.  SOTB would clearly make an excellent moderator and to disagree with that is ridiculous.  I know SOTB probably said something that upset you and now you don't like him, but you should try and understand that we can't all sit around jerking each other off and pretending the forum is some love festival.  Sometimes you need a little conflict to make discussion interesting and worthwhile.  And SOTB definitely can do that.  His ability to do that is actually quite impressive.

[Rook]

His questions would easily be answered if he looked in our Staffing Policies thread.

You could have just said this instead of ignoring me completely until yet another poster brought it up.  But ok.  I searched for that thread.  I found it and read it.  It does not explain why you chose equanimity to be a mod or why you have not also modded SOTB.

And furthermore, I don't have the time or the motivation to answer every single little complaint against me or how I scratch my left cheek.

In that case, what was the purpose of merging all staff complaints into a single thread?  Just to hide it all?  That would be censorship, which is something you said staff does not do.  Were you lying when you said that, or ... ?

You'll forgive me if I get a little tired of discussing how equanimity is not Satan for the hundred-thousandth time or how even if she is, demoting her would be a very straight forward matter.

I didn't ask how equanimity is not Satan - I asked why you decided to make equanimity a moderator.  I just want to know what your reasoning was.  You claim in the staff policies thread to only pick "the best", that moderators will be "held to a high standard".  But in this case your reasons for making equanimity a moderator appear to be entirely emotional and not at all based on merit.  My question has given you the opportunity to actually explain your reasoning, not just to me but to everyone.  And instead of taking that opportunity you decide to deflect the question by referring to a thread that does not even answer the question.

So again:  Why did you decide to make equanimity a moderator?

SotB was not made a mod originally because he wasn't all that active, but now... His character doesn't stand out to me anymore as all that impressive.

But equanimity does?  Really?  You honestly find equanimity to be "more impressive" than SOTB?

More emotionally fragile, I could believe.  More nauseating, I could believe.  More impressive?  What about equanimity is so impressive?  SOTB is probably one of the smarter and more logical minded people currently posting on our forums.  SOTB would clearly make an excellent moderator and to disagree with that is ridiculous.  I know SOTB probably said something that upset you and now you don't like him, but you should try and understand that we can't all sit around jerking each other off and pretending the forum is some love festival.  Sometimes you need a little conflict to make discussion interesting and worthwhile.  And SOTB definitely can do that.  His ability to do that is actually quite impressive.

 Do you and SOTB circle jerk each other while finding new ways to complain about Arnox? Curious, whose the butch? More than likely SOTB.. sounds like he's really got your sweet little ass whipped. Anyways.. please cry some more.. It amuses me.

[Obbe]

His questions would easily be answered if he looked in our Staffing Policies thread.

You could have just said this instead of ignoring me completely until yet another poster brought it up.  But ok.  I searched for that thread.  I found it and read it.  It does not explain why you chose equanimity to be a mod or why you have not also modded SOTB.

And furthermore, I don't have the time or the motivation to answer every single little complaint against me or how I scratch my left cheek.

In that case, what was the purpose of merging all staff complaints into a single thread?  Just to hide it all?  That would be censorship, which is something you said staff does not do.  Were you lying when you said that, or ... ?

You'll forgive me if I get a little tired of discussing how equanimity is not Satan for the hundred-thousandth time or how even if she is, demoting her would be a very straight forward matter.

I didn't ask how equanimity is not Satan - I asked why you decided to make equanimity a moderator.  I just want to know what your reasoning was.  You claim in the staff policies thread to only pick "the best", that moderators will be "held to a high standard".  But in this case your reasons for making equanimity a moderator appear to be entirely emotional and not at all based on merit.  My question has given you the opportunity to actually explain your reasoning, not just to me but to everyone.  And instead of taking that opportunity you decide to deflect the question by referring to a thread that does not even answer the question.

So again:  Why did you decide to make equanimity a moderator?

SotB was not made a mod originally because he wasn't all that active, but now... His character doesn't stand out to me anymore as all that impressive.

But equanimity does?  Really?  You honestly find equanimity to be "more impressive" than SOTB?

More emotionally fragile, I could believe.  More nauseating, I could believe.  More impressive?  What about equanimity is so impressive?  SOTB is probably one of the smarter and more logical minded people currently posting on our forums.  SOTB would clearly make an excellent moderator and to disagree with that is ridiculous.  I know SOTB probably said something that upset you and now you don't like him, but you should try and understand that we can't all sit around jerking each other off and pretending the forum is some love festival.  Sometimes you need a little conflict to make discussion interesting and worthwhile.  And SOTB definitely can do that.  His ability to do that is actually quite impressive.

 Do you and SOTB circle jerk each other while finding new ways to complain about Arnox? Curious, whose the butch? More than likely SOTB.. sounds like he's really got your sweet little ass whipped. Anyways.. please cry some more.. It amuses me.

Your fedora is showing.

[zok jr.]

Funny how nobody even notices I am a part of the mod team.   no complaints?

i don't think anyone knows who you are so kinda hard to complain about you