The Official Staff Complaint/Hate Thread

[Proots]

I mean, seriously, Lanny. Do you really, truly, in your heart of hearts not understand why people hate and are so disgusted by Zek and its behavior? Now, you might not agree with the reasons why or see things the same way, and I'm not asking you to. However, there's really only two acceptable answers here and I'm curious as to which one you feel is best :

1. "No, I have absolutely no idea why someone wouldn't like Zek."

2. "I like Zek, but I can understand why others may not."

[ed rush]

Lanny is probably delicious.

Would give you a bad case heartburn at least, though. And to get past the bad aftertaste you'd probably have to use a whole bottle of ketchup on 'im.

Gross.  What kind of sick person eats ketchup?  It's a (presumably American) bastardization of kecap.  Doesn't taste like tomato sauce, isn't even fermented, but has a very LOUD taste that overpowers whatever it's added to.  Disgusting.

One of these days I should type up a new ranch dressing rant for you guys.  (ranch dressing is what's wrong with america)

I'm not a huge fan of ketchup either but yes it tastes like tomatoes (main ingredient) and has a ton of vinegar (fermented). I look forward to your rant on ranch dressing, I'm sure it will be enlightening .

[-SpectraL]

...but has a very LOUD taste that overpowers whatever it's added to. 

And that's exactly what you'd need if you were thinking of adding Lanny to the menu. He's very bitter and most probably has an aftertaste of old shoe leather.

[equanimity]

I've never tasted veal, but that's what imagine Lanny tasting like.

[Arnox]

This isn't about "majority" at all.....instead fitting into the culture and purpose of the website as a collective whole. Zek fits in here as much as a bible thumping Christian would at The Burning Man Fest. If his lone purpose to being there is to troll IRL, and only bring attention to himself all the while shitting on everyone else's experience....then he has no business being there. Period.

Which brings me to another important point. If Zek had ANY care or concern for this website thriving and attracting more people, he would have had enough social awareness by now to step down from his mod position and fix Arnox's mistake for him. But again, for Zek this is NOT about "what is best for Sanctuary".....instead totally feeding into his attention whoring and trolling.

We can't even quantify Zek as being a "polarizing figure" in a mod position....because that would imply there is a 50/50 division (or something close to it) in regards to the opinion of the userbase with this creep being a mod. The scales are so grossly imbalanced at this point, anyone else with a shred of common sense or self-awareness that actually DID care about the website's progress would do the right thing and just move on. Instead, Zek is thriving on all of the attention/validation his status brings him.....and both him and Arnox don't give a fuck in the least if the entire website burns to the ground because of it.

Don't you think you're being... Just a little bit dramatic here? I mean seriously. Not even a little?

Apparently ogge is waiting for my response to this.

You even go so far as to tell me that I'm proving her claim that I have a tendency for shitting on others generally

You kind of were proving her claim because you did "shit" on her. You do know that you can call someone out and complain about them in an entirely civil manner i.e. without calling them a bunch of unnecessary names? Just because it's B&M doesn't mean being a jerk is par for the course. Hey, you can if you want to. But don't start crying when people say it reflects poorly on you.

But the real question you're failing to answer here is why any of that matters at all anyway. 'Well, it reflects poorly on her being a mod.' you might say. Let's just assume then that you're right for a second. Does it change any of her modding decisions? Does it suddenly make them unfair? The most questionable thing I've seen her do so far is move a thread to another section because the conversation has flowed into another direction than what the OP intended. Questionable yes and even a little bit silly. But HARDLY grounds for claiming mod abuse. It isn't even noteworthy enough in my eyes to discuss. So she moved the thread to another sub-forum. Honestly? Who cares.

And I've seen what she's discussed with you and how she's discussed it. It's always been very civil even if you don't agree with it at all.

[DaGuru]

Don't you think you're being... Just a little bit dramatic here? I mean seriously. Not even a little?

Instead of being patronizing and obscure, why don't you clearly state what you think I'm being melodramatic about. Obviously you don't agree with that post, so instead of pussy-footing around, how about you finally grow a set of balls in regard to this topic and spell it out?

You kind of were proving her claim because you did "shit" on her. You do know that you can call someone out and complain about them in an entirely civil manner i.e. without calling them a bunch of unnecessary names? Just because it's B&M doesn't mean being a jerk is par for the course. Hey, you can if you want to. But don't start crying when people say it reflects poorly on you.

But the real question you're failing to answer here is why any of that matters at all anyway. 'Well, it reflects poorly on her being a mod.' you might say. Let's just assume then that you're right for a second. Does it change any of her modding decisions? Does it suddenly make them unfair? The most questionable thing I've seen her do so far is move a thread to another section because the conversation has flowed into another direction than what the OP intended. Questionable yes and even a little bit silly. But HARDLY grounds for claiming mod abuse. It isn't even noteworthy enough in my eyes to discuss. So she moved the thread to another sub-forum. Honestly? Who cares.

And I've seen what she's discussed with you and how she's discussed it. It's always been very civil even if you don't agree with it at all.

Yes, Arnox, this IS B&M....and only the thinnest skinned of the meek would cast "judgement" on someone because they were being uncivil and inflammatory in this of all sections. That IS the expected tone/purpose to this section, and obviously you need to pull up your big boy britches a little bit higher before entering this domain....because you seem to not be able to handle the pace or atmosphere.

And we ARE "right" in regards to him being modded reflects poorly on the website and the culture we are trying to build here...there's no "let's assume for a minute". That is irrefutable fact.  But as usual, just like ALL THE OTHER TIMES you completely skirted that issue you just brushed it aside and went on to something else.

[equanimity]

I know this is the "Hate Thread", but if we could all try to express ourselves with just a little less passion we might be able to come to some sort of constructive solution.  Arnox has better things to do than respond to emotionally-charged accusations, especially when it really seems to be me that you're upset with.  Why don't we give him a break, and you guys can talk with me again, okay?

equanimity accepting constructive criticisms and thoughtful opinions.  let's go

[DaGuru]

  Why don't we give him a break, and you guys can talk with me again, okay?

Of course, the pathetic attention whoring freak isn't getting enough attention on HIM since Arnox finally decided to grace us with errrrr ummmm sincere(?) responses....so let's go right back to mindless drivel to satiate Zek's immature needs.

[starvingniglet]

  Why don't we give him a break, and you guys can talk with me again, okay?

Of course, the pathetic attention whoring freak isn't getting enough attention on HIM since Arnox finally decided to grace us with errrrr ummmm sincere(?) responses....so let's go right back to mindless drivel to satiate Zek's immature needs.

I want to know what makes everyone think this is zek, is there any real evidence that it is him?  I mean, I had extensive conversations with the 'real zek' and I am sure this person isn't zek.  Is there something I am missing here?

[bling bling]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVuQSDkT3M

[Slave of the Beast]

You kind of were proving her claim because you did "shit" on her.

What she said: I generally say people suck, whilst in B&M.
What I did: Flame her, specifically in B&M, for making the above demonstrably false claim.

I cannot make this any more simple for you. If you cannot understand the disconnect between these two situations then you are beyond reason.

You do know that you can call someone out and complain about them in an entirely civil manner i.e. without calling them a bunch of unnecessary names? Just because it's B&M doesn't mean being a jerk is par for the course. Hey, you can if you want to. But don't start crying when people say it reflects poorly on you.

The only person who's said that is you. I don't care what E' may have said. She is an idiot who's frequently incapable of supporting what she types. And you've already demonstrated you completely fail to grasp the concept that flaming someone in B&M indicates nothing about how they act outside of it. I've lost count over the years how many times fine users, mods and  Admins have publically torn someone a new asshole in &T or Zok's B&M.

Consequently, suggesting using 'unnecessary names' in B&M somehow soils my character across the site and userbase is as hilarious as it is meaningless.

But the real question you're failing to answer here is why any of that matters at all anyway. 'Well, it reflects poorly on her being a mod.' you might say. Let's just assume then that you're right for a second. Does it change any of her modding decisions? Does it suddenly make them unfair? The most questionable thing I've seen her do so far is move a thread to another section because the conversation has flowed into another direction than what the OP intended. Questionable yes and even a little bit silly. But HARDLY grounds for claiming mod abuse. It isn't even noteworthy enough in my eyes to discuss. So she moved the thread to another sub-forum. Honestly? Who cares.

And I've seen what she's discussed with you and how she's discussed it. It's always been very civil even if you don't agree with it at all.

Yes, she is very sweet and polite when she's lying through her teeth.

Why should you care when this pisses people off and creates widepsread animosity? Well, we can come back to that question in a year or so' time and you can tell us how bumpy your ride as site admin has been. And no, don't get your pantyhose mangled like you did with Risir, that is not a veiled threat it is just my suggestion.

[equanimity]

What is it that you're hoping to get out of this, Slave?  I could have made an unfair insinuation about you and that understandably rubbed you the wrong way, but how does that equate to me slowly bringing the website into a state of chaos?

[Slave of the Beast]

Why should you care when this pisses people off and creates widepsread animosity? Well, we can come back to that question in a year or so' time and you can tell us how bumpy your ride as site admin has been. And no, don't get your pantyhose mangled like you did with Risir, that is not a veiled threat it is just my suggestion.

What is it that you're hoping to get out of this, Slave?  I could have made an unfair insinuation about you and that understandably rubbed you the wrong way, but how does that equate to me slowly turning the website¹ into a state of chaos? ²

1) This big-ass thread has for the most part been created in your honour by amalgamating other user's complaint threads. The site is peppered with God knows how many posts griping about you. Yet somehow you conclude I'm commenting on myself, despite me blatantly talking in the plural, i.e. "pisses people off". As it so clearly does. This shouldn't be difficult to understand.

2) Compare"'widepsread animosity" with "state of chaos", then find a dictionary and look up the word hyperbole.

[DaGuru]

I want to know what makes everyone think this is zek, is there any real evidence that it is him?  I mean, I had extensive conversations with the 'real zek' and I am sure this person isn't zek.  Is there something I am missing here?

Niglet, I like you as a poster and person....and most of the time respect your life observations, even if I sometimes don't agree with them.  But how can you NOT see it? Its so brutally obvious, it really astounds me you even have doubt on any level.

I've already rattled off some of the points earlier, but just to summarize...

The passive, soft, hippy trippy mindset of peace/love conquers all.
The politics and attitudes he adheres to.
The mood swings and depressive nature of him....especially exposed in his suicide thread.
His interests like reading books, health food obsessions, etc.
His fake constant "nice" personna that is so overbearing its nauseating.
His never ending attention whoring.
His absurd immaturity..."reset my post count", "gonna change my username", "wait a sec, gonna change it back" He comes off like a 6 year old.

In essence he IS "restraining" himself, as he's not the over-the-top Zek like he used to be...he is keeping it subtle to continue this ruse to fool the few that still have doubts. But its undeniably Zek, no ifs ands or buts. It baffles me you can't see what most of the rest of the userbase finds to be so blatantly obvious, most of which realized it just after a dozen or so posts off his keyboard.

[DaGuru]

What is it that you're hoping to get out of this, Slave?  I could have made an unfair insinuation about you and that understandably rubbed you the wrong way, but how does that equate to me slowly bringing the website into a state of chaos?

Why the fuck are you directing this question ONLY to Slave, when its far and away a STRONG MAJORITY of this userbase that finds your existence repulsive and your modship an absolute farce. Sure, in your demented mind its YOUR way of trying to "minimize" how many people despise you and your pathetic life by directing that question to only ONE person....but it is very much a group/collective mindset shared by many. Keep living in your bizzarro world, freakboy....keep hiding from the realities of life as best you can.