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Offline DaGuru

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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2014, 10:44:42 pm »


the spam rule is enforced...often under the guise of "shitposting"



I honestly don't understand why it is so hard for some people to not post PI



The Spam rule is NOT being enforced, because several hours of kidiots and their gleeful pyramid building is proof of that.

http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2772.135

Multiple moderators have been active while all of that nonsense has been going on, yet the monkeys still eagerly pick their nose and show each other their boogers.

In regards to PI, you are right it is NOT hard to "never post PI"....but that is for any rational and decent poster. Its when you have people like Lanny and their supposed "grey areas" that are deep down emotional spastics that feel like they've been made a fool of...that they have to reach the very bottom of the barrel to go for such pathetic antics and lash out like silly children. Because they are emotionally and mentally stunted, they grasp for the most feeble straw possible..."Hahah, here is your picture"...."here is your real name"....because exchanging discourse like a normal adult is too difficult for them.

And until there IS a legitimate "hardline" approach to PI, where the kidiots either leave for good or cease such ridiculous and petty behavior (just like everywhere else on the internet) it will continue.  But instead people like Lanny fall on the  FALSE rhetoric of..."but its impossible to control"....when thousands and thousands of successful BBS's tell an entirely different story. The only difference between places like Zoklet and/or Sanctuary vs. everywhere else is the staff's SINCERE approach to PI abuse, and a hardhanded enforcement of it. Playing games with the kidiots and banning them for a day or two (or allowing them back with alts) just falls right into their stupid agenda....they are getting attention for their trolling, and nothing is really "happening" to them for their toxic idiocy. Perma ban IS the only answer, as we should make pariahs out of children that have no place supposedly dedicated for adult discussion. IF someone has to go there even ONCE (drunk, high, or sober), it proves exactly what they are made of......just a steamy pile of shit.

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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2014, 11:36:46 pm »
The question is, what don't you guys understand about them?  On one hand, your rules state that alts are not prohibited, and it is recommended (it says 'should') that one get permission.  On the other hand, you and your moderators act as if alts are prohibited, and that 'punishments' will be handed out if one doesn't follow the 'recommendations', which are apparently mandatory, although I do not see that anywhere in the rules.

You absolutely NEED to change the verbiage of that rule, because its very vague and obscure.

I'll be changing it then.

2) Child Porn....You probably need to spell out more clearly your definition of what constitutes child porn (or maybe just porn in general), because there are still a handful of prudish virgins/victims that actually believe some 14 year old tart in a bikini is in that realm.

"While alt accounts aren't expressly prohibited".....You absolutely NEED to change the verbiage of that rule, because its very vague and obscure. Part of the reason I never said anything about Unbreakable's army of alts, because that wording doesn't seem to take the whole thing very seriously at all.

"Images in signatures must be REASONABLY SIZED".....Do you really consider Bling's signature "reasonably sized"? Its your site and you can set whatever standards you like, but to me its loud, obnoxious and gawdy.....more appropriate for a Justin Beiber site, or something dedicated to Nickelodeon/Disney.

"Punishments will be handed out on a case by case basis mostly depending on the severity of the offending action or actions. For most small offenses though, a warning will usually be given first."..... Going back to Cats/Niglets issues with "alt account", if you are sincere about "case by case" basis, why such a heavy handed approach with him? He's not a troll, hasn't given you any grief at all, as a matter of fact is one of the few (if not only) posters NOT giving you shit about modding Zek. Its baffling that you imply having a sense of objectivity depending on each scenario, but in the other thread you are very staunchly stating..."rules are rules"...like an indignant school marm. Either change the verbiage in that rule, or take heed of your own words and actually practically apply it in the spirit you are implying.

"We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard."......*giggles* No, you don't. You modded Zek after all, and if you consider his posting habits and behavior still after being modded as being a "rigorous standard"....you either need to get your eyes checked or increase your standards to something loftier than the underbelly of your common garden slug.

2. It's usually pretty obvious what is CP and what isn't. As long as that girl in the bikini isn't posing suggestively or etc. it should be fine.

4. Signature rules may be changed but... You and Aldra do know that you can disable sigs from displaying in your profile, right?

5. I didn't know a little fun with his avatar/name/etc. was heavy-handed punishment for creating alts without permission.

The thing with UM is that he fell through the cracks. I don't look at every post on here and somewhat rely on people reporting any offenses. But no one here seems to do that and the ones that do do it don't do it properly at all. So I'm probably going to have to do some more baby sitting and sorting through past posts.

People complain about sporadic punishment on my part and it is kind of true. But it's not out of bias but much more an issue of my time. I'm sorry for that. So, I'll try to be keeping a closer eye on things now.


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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2014, 12:36:58 am »


2. It's usually pretty obvious what is CP and what isn't. As long as that girl in the bikini isn't posing suggestively or etc. it should be fine.

4. Signature rules may be changed but... You and Aldra do know that you can disable sigs from displaying in your profile, right?

5. I didn't know a little fun with his avatar/name/etc. was heavy-handed punishment for creating alts without permission.

The thing with UM is that he fell through the cracks. I don't look at every post on here and somewhat rely on people reporting any offenses. But no one here seems to do that and the ones that do do it don't do it properly at all. So I'm probably going to have to do some more baby sitting and sorting through past posts.

People complain about sporadic punishment on my part and it is kind of true. But it's not out of bias but much more an issue of my time. I'm sorry for that. So, I'll try to be keeping a closer eye on things now.

CP.....but see you do need to spell it out, because "posing suggestively" really isn't pornography in the real sense of the definition. Pornography has to involve actual sexual acts, what you just described is NUDITY...so clarification may be needed for those that want to tap-dance those lines in the future.

Signatures......yeah, I understand I can turn them off, and not really concerned about my personal sensibilities. Instead looking at the bigger picture of attracting and retaining new users. They come on here just to lurk or tip their toe in without spending much time in their settings, they can be bombarded with a lot of gawdy silliness if more people follow suit with Bling's example.

Having fun with avatars.....As I keep saying, its your site, your cheese, you can do whatever you want. But when you start playing games that is a bit silly and immature, sure you can brush it off as a few moments of whimsy in middle of the bump and grind of  running things. At the same time though, it very much IS contrary to your ideology of wanting staff members that are "professional" and have "higher standards"....especially when acting in a disciplinary fashion that you imply want to be taken "seriously". Why should the rules be taken seriously if when someone does break a rule your idea of punishment is some silly farce?

Reporting people....Speaking only for myself, its not in my nature to narc/snitch/tattle tale on people. Not when I was a kid, and especially as an adult. And especially in UM's case, it was so blatantly OBVIOUS, the fact not even one staff member was aware (or cared) might be putting a big fat spotlight on the effectiveness of the people you have chosen to have those responsibilties.

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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2014, 12:53:59 am »
What is the point of allowing alts? What possible reason is there for someone to have more than one account?
Why don't you just set a maximum image size restriction instead of relying on users to upload something 'reasonable'?
Remove image signatures all together, they're fucking annoying, is there a 'show signatures' option in user settings?
Offensive avatars should also be restricted. I'm tired of seeing Guy Jumps Through Gaping Asshole gif, and Look At Me Goatse avatar.

Are people really having  a hard time not posting PI and CP wtf is wrong with you kiddiots?


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Arenox you should actually be posting under an alt. You post too much. I think Jeff / Zok's mysterious absence made the sites better.
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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2014, 01:15:18 am »
All rules are arbitrary,the admin can do what ever he or she wants,this is not a democracy or a republic this is despotism pure and simple.
Arnox can do whatever he wants here this is his place,its not yours,its not zoklet,its not TOTSE, this is Arnox land and you will obey his rules.
Fucking DUH./
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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2014, 01:35:14 am »
All rules are arbitrary,the admin can do what ever he or she wants,this is not a democracy or a republic this is despotism pure and simple.
Arnox can do whatever he wants here this is his place,its not yours,its not zoklet,its not TOTSE, this is Arnox land and you will obey his rules.
Fucking DUH./
If you don't like it start your own dam web site.

And why don't YOU go back and reread the first post in this thread? The admin invited this discourse and is welcoming the questions.

Here, I'll save you the effort....


"Now, if you DON'T UNDERSTAND any part of the rules, or you DISAGREE with one or some them, post about it here."


I've been on topic and relevant this entire thread, the point of YOUR post however...was what exactly?

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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2014, 02:17:52 am »
A few quick thoughts off the top of my head....

1) Spam .....If you are SERIOUS about this rule, you'll increase the quality of this board significantly. But DO you have the fortitude to enforce it? Only time will tell

2) Child Porn....You probably need to spell out more clearly your definition of what constitutes child porn (or maybe just porn in general), because there are still a handful of prudish virgins/victims that actually believe some 14 year old tart in a bikini is in that realm.

"While alt accounts aren't expressly prohibited".....You absolutely NEED to change the verbiage of that rule, because its very vague and obscure. Part of the reason I never said anything about Unbreakable's army of alts, because that wording doesn't seem to take the whole thing very seriously at all.

"Images in signatures must be REASONABLY SIZED".....Do you really consider Bling's signature "reasonably sized"? Its your site and you can set whatever standards you like, but to me its loud, obnoxious and gawdy.....more appropriate for a Justin Beiber site, or something dedicated to Nickelodeon/Disney.

"Punishments will be handed out on a case by case basis mostly depending on the severity of the offending action or actions. For most small offenses though, a warning will usually be given first."..... Going back to Cats/Niglets issues with "alt account", if you are sincere about "case by case" basis, why such a heavy handed approach with him? He's not a troll, hasn't given you any grief at all, as a matter of fact is one of the few (if not only) posters NOT giving you shit about modding Zek. Its baffling that you imply having a sense of objectivity depending on each scenario, but in the other thread you are very staunchly stating..."rules are rules"...like an indignant school marm. Either change the verbiage in that rule, or take heed of your own words and actually practically apply it in the spirit you are implying.

"We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard."......*giggles* No, you don't. You modded Zek after all, and if you consider his posting habits and behavior still after being modded as being a "rigorous standard"....you either need to get your eyes checked or increase your standards to something loftier than the underbelly of your common garden slug.

... I hate it when dagayru/specfag makes good points. Arnox you need to fix these issues so spec can go back to ranting about complete nonsense. No matter what you do, hes gonna rant. But when hes making some sort of sense, you know something isn't right. I will say that his first point, spam, doesn't really qualify. Spam is advertisements or literal gibberish. Nothing else. Stupid posts are not spam they are stupid posts, by definition. That is something I doubt spec will ever concede. So when he says take spam seriously what he means is moderate like a forum nazi until its only posts he likes. The rest of his points were pretty spot on.

2) It isn't "obvious" what child porn is. Its not even obvious by conventional laws in most places. Is a 12 year old girl spread eagle in a nudist resort CP? I think so. Legally it isn't in most places though, not if she isn't doing something sexual. Just make the rule this: a) No nude under 18 pics no matter what the context b) no under 18 sexually suggestive pics with partial clothing (bikinis etc.). There, definition problem solved. I mean, technically the latter isn't CP by any law, but really, who the fuck wants that shit on here except pedos.

3) Err... apparently daguru can only count to two. And yes, all rules should be written as if you were a lawyer, they need to be completely clear and not open to incredible amounts of interpretation.

4) Blings sig fucking sucks and I think everyone hates it. Hes just trying to be as obnoxious as possible clearly. And I know I can disable sigs, but its only his sig I want to disable so far.

5) Zek should never had been modded. Huge mistake. Really big mistake. What was the logic involved? Since girls always get modded, and hes the... ahem... the closest thing to one we got, he should be automatically modded? If you knew anything about his prior posting history, his mental illnesses, or fuck, his life in general, there is no way you would have modded him. Clearly, you are not vetting your mods properly. Zek is 1) mentally unstable and 2) almost certain to abuse any sort of power he has and 3) totally irresponsible. He abandoned his kids and spent what should have been their college fund on growing tits for himself. Does that sound like a responsible person to you? No. It doesn't, and that's just the tip of the iceberg with that one. Really bad call. Hes one of the last people who should have ever been modded.

And a note on alts, I think they should be allowed, depending on their purpose. I mean, ban evading shouldn't be allowed, but there were plenty of alts on totse/zoklet that lead to many lulz. Most of them were just gimmicks (rolf) and mediocre at best, but some of them were pretty good. I have always been against a blanket no alts rule.


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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2014, 03:06:01 am »
I contest the no bestiality rule. I was banned for posting a link to the Mr. Hands video. That video is not illegal. Bestiality is not illegal.

So stop being a puss.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2014, 03:29:11 am »
I contest the no bestiality rule. I was banned for posting a link to the Mr. Hands video. That video is not illegal. Bestiality is not illegal.

So stop being a puss.

...In most places it is actually. I don't know about the actual videos being illegal, but its certainly not legal to fuck animals in most countries.

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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2014, 03:29:52 am »
Animals can't give consent for sex with people.  Should be illegal.

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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2014, 03:31:51 am »
I contest the no bestiality rule. I was banned for posting a link to the Mr. Hands video. That video is not illegal. Bestiality is not illegal.

So stop being a puss.

that one's also a snuff film though

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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2014, 03:46:00 am »
Snuff isn't illegal either is it? I mean they broadcast WTC collapsing on Fox and a shit ton of people died there.

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Re: It's time to review the RULES!
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2014, 03:48:07 am »
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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2014, 05:16:11 am »
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2014, 05:38:45 am »
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