CNN: Girl Comitting Suicide

[equanimity]

Yeah, it should be a right for you to have someone else have to kill you because you can't fucking do it yourself. :rolleyes:

If you don't wanna live, that's your own problem, not someone else's.

RisiR was right when he said that suicide is hard to get done, even when it's the best option.  Self-preservation is indeed a bitch.  And without these safe means of suicide, a person attempting suicide runs the risk of ending up alive with terrible brain damage, or of leaving behind a hideous mess.

Why should this not be an option?

[theKit]

We do have the right to judge her since she got her pompous ass on TV and decided to do this herpie derp immam goink to killink myselF tO chanGing teh Law

No one is restricting her rights to kill herself, she is perfectly able to do so at any time. What is pissing me off is  the fact that the media chose the wrong poster child for their cause just because they can make her story all 'beautiful' - Fuck. That. Fuck. Her. Show me the guy who is paralyzed from the neck down, begging for an end where everyone ignores him. Show me the stage 5 patients who're pissing and shitting themselves who demand a REAL dignified end.

 

[theKit]

Yeah, it should be a right for you to have someone else have to kill you because you can't fucking do it yourself. :rolleyes:

If you don't wanna live, that's your own problem, not someone else's.

RisiR was right when he said that suicide is hard to get done, even when it's the best option.  Self-preservation is indeed a bitch.  And without these safe means of suicide, a person attempting suicide runs the risk of ending up alive with terrible brain damage, or of leaving behind a hideous mess.

Why should this not be an option?

Why do people keep doing this? If you can't bring yourself to kill yourself, then you really haven't decided to kill yourself - forcing someone else to do it is wrong. If you can't get your ass on the internet, order a pill and drink you - you suck at life AND death and deserve to live and suffer through your illness. Death is a personal affair and it should be left that way.

[Juicebox]

Wonder how many of those people got that prescription just so they could slip it to somebody else

Wonder what that pill is made of. Probably methylfentanyl or something

[theKit]

Wonder how many of those people got that prescription just so they could slip it to somebody else

Wonder what that pill is made of. Probably methylfentanyl or something

Nembutal

[komokazi]

Because if you are going to do it, you should pick a surefire way to do it. Go ahead, be lazy, but you'll pay for it. If you're going to fuck over your family and have complete and total disregard for their feelings (particularly your parents), at least pay them back for all the money it cost to raise your disrespectful ass and then do the fucking deed. Nobody should be subjected to your unwillingness to live. I'm not trying to be a moralfag, but for people who actually do have feelings and care about you, it's just human psychology and it's nobody's fault that you don't care about them the same way they care about you. Again, as I said, of course there are exceptions but only in the most extreme of cases.

[RisiR]

Because if you are going to do it, you should pick a surefire way to do it. Go ahead, be lazy, but you'll pay for it. If you're going to fuck over your family and have complete and total disregard for their feelings (particularly your parents), at least pay them back for all the money it cost to raise your disrespectful ass and then do the fucking deed. Nobody should be subjected to your unwillingness to live. I'm not trying to be a moralfag, but for people who actually do have feelings and care about you, it's just human psychology and it's nobody's fault that you don't care about them the same way they care about you. Again, as I said, of course there are exceptions but only in the most extreme of cases.

Y'know, from a personal standpoint I agree with you. I've been suicidal for years but if I had to choose between me going through hell or my mom, I would and will always choose me.

Though, terminal fucking cancer is an extreme case in my opinion.

[RisiR]

Too be honest, I haven't watched your stupid video because I already have an opinion in this so yea..

forcing someone else to do it is wrong. If you can't get your ass on the internet, order a pill and drink you - you suck at life AND death and deserve to live and suffer through your illness. Death is a personal affair and it should be left that way.

We are talking about trained professionals. It's also wrong to force someone to cut open your stomach and remove a part of your colon but guess what, doctors - trained professionals - do that shit every day. There's a lot more to well done euthanasia treatment than some bum in a hospital handing you a pill and a glass of water. In most cases it involves the whole family or parts of it which get mental support through the whole procedure and after.

Fuck. That. Fuck. Her. Show me the guy who is paralyzed from the neck down, begging for an end where everyone ignores him. Show me the stage 5 patients who're pissing and shitting themselves who demand a REAL dignified end.

I've seen them, I've cared for them, I heard them beg and saw them cry but I HAD to ignore them because of anti euthanasia laws. Keeping people alive connected to machines, making them suffer every second of every day till they are 100 years old just for profit. Yea, that's some great ethics.

Here are some quotes.

 

The first apparent usage of the term "euthanasia" belongs to the historian Suetonius who described how the Emperor Augustus, "dying quickly and without suffering in the arms of his wife, Livia, experienced the 'euthanasia' he had wished for."

 

The word "euthanasia" was first used in a medical context by Francis Bacon in the 17th century, to refer to an easy, painless, happy death, during which it was a "physician's responsibility to alleviate the 'physical sufferings' of the body."

Fuck. You.

[John Smith]

OP, I understand what you're saying, but her goal is probably to raise awareness, and this does do that effectively. Unfortunately most people are largely driven by emotions, and appeals to emotion work in order to get things done.

It is really stupid to go to another state for a pill when an exit bag is a much better and readily available method, but not everyone is aware of this method or has the intelligence or habits that will lead them to finding this information (Fucking google it! "Painless way to commit suicide" "Best way to commit suicide". Not that I care about idiots, but then again, something could cause you to be unable to.) but not everyone is able to go to other state, which is why supporters may argue that it's important to have a right to die wherever you are. Something could also suddenly occur putting you in a state where you'd desire death quickly at the hospital, knowing you wouldn't get better or survive.

Because if you are going to do it, you should pick a surefire way to do it. Go ahead, be lazy, but you'll pay for it. If you're going to fuck over your family and have complete and total disregard for their feelings (particularly your parents), at least pay them back for all the money it cost to raise your disrespectful ass and then do the fucking deed. Nobody should be subjected to your unwillingness to live. I'm not trying to be a moralfag, but for people who actually do have feelings and care about you, it's just human psychology and it's nobody's fault that you don't care about them the same way they care about you. Again, as I said, of course there are exceptions but only in the most extreme of cases.

Oh, fuck you, did someone kill themselves and make you cry?

The selfishness argument is hypocritical, why is it more selfish to end your life and unfortunately possibly hurt the emotions of others, which you have no control over, than it is to expect someone to potentially live the rest of their life in horrendous physical or psychological torment? Why aren't you the selfish one for expecting them to keep suffering just to spare your feelings? Have you ever thought of that?

And I hope you aren't going to do the "man up"/"get over it" route as an argument, because that's one of the stupidest things you can say to a person that's depressed and signals a complete lack of understanding of clinical depression and the biological roots it can have.

Everyone should read this, his books as well if you're particularly interested in the subject: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126365907

[komokazi]

No, nobody that was ever close to me committed suicide, but three of some of my closest friends have been killed, but that has no bearing on my argument whatsoever. Nobody forced doctors to be doctors, they help people LIVE, they know the job entails surgery and if you're dying, they have an obligation to do what they can to prevent that. That makes them feel good. It would be wrong to force a doctor to kill you. It's one thing if you're suffering from debilitating chronic pain and there is essentially no fucking hope for you, but if you're just being an emo faggot and can't handle your girlfriend's breakup with your faggot ass, a doctor shouldn't be forced to even waste his time with your fucking waste of organic matter of a self.

[bling bling]

all women are whores

[RisiR]

No, nobody that was ever close to me committed suicide, but three of some of my closest friends have been killed, but that has no bearing on my argument whatsoever. Nobody forced doctors to be doctors, they help people LIVE, they know the job entails surgery and if you're dying, they have an obligation to do what they can to prevent that.That makes them feel good. It would be wrong to force a doctor to kill you. It's one thing if you're suffering from debilitating chronic pain and there is essentially no fucking hope for you, but if you're just being an emo faggot and can't handle your girlfriend's breakup with your faggot ass, a doctor shouldn't be forced to even waste his time with your fucking waste of organic matter of a self.

Have you ever been a health professional? Y'know, because you act like the spokesperson of... well, every doctor in the world. You don't know shit, trust me.

It's one thing if you're suffering from debilitating chronic pain and there is essentially no fucking hope for you, but if you're just being an emo faggot and can't handle your girlfriend's breakup with your faggot ass, a doctor shouldn't be forced to even waste his time with your fucking waste of organic matter of a self.

Yea, dude, because it's that easy to get euthanasia treatment. Well, maybe it is in your shithole country but so be it. Good for the rest of the world.

Is it also wrong to "force"  a vetenarian to put down dogs, cats and other pets? Is that wrong, too?

[equanimity]

No, nobody that was ever close to me committed suicide, but three of some of my closest friends have been killed, but that has no bearing on my argument whatsoever. Nobody forced doctors to be doctors, they help people LIVE, they know the job entails surgery and if you're dying, they have an obligation to do what they can to prevent that. That makes them feel good. It would be wrong to force a doctor to kill you. It's one thing if you're suffering from debilitating chronic pain and there is essentially no fucking hope for you, but if you're just being an emo faggot and can't handle your girlfriend's breakup with your faggot ass, a doctor shouldn't be forced to even waste his time with your fucking waste of organic matter of a self.

No one's really discussing suicide of young, healthy individuals here.  This is all about the elderly and infirm, usually with diseases affecting the brain.

[theKit]

Too be honest, I haven't watched your stupid video because I already have an opinion in this so yea..

forcing someone else to do it is wrong. If you can't get your ass on the internet, order a pill and drink you - you suck at life AND death and deserve to live and suffer through your illness. Death is a personal affair and it should be left that way.

We are talking about trained professionals. It's also wrong to force someone to cut open your stomach and remove a part of your colon but guess what, doctors - trained professionals - do that shit every day. There's a lot more to well done euthanasia treatment than some bum in a hospital handing you a pill and a glass of water. In most cases it involves the whole family or parts of it which get mental support through the whole procedure and after.

Fuck. That. Fuck. Her. Show me the guy who is paralyzed from the neck down, begging for an end where everyone ignores him. Show me the stage 5 patients who're pissing and shitting themselves who demand a REAL dignified end.

I've seen them, I've cared for them, I heard them beg and saw them cry but I HAD to ignore them because of anti euthanasia laws. Keeping people alive connected to machines, making them suffer every second of every day till they are 100 years old just for profit. Yea, that's some great ethics.

Here are some quotes.

 

The first apparent usage of the term "euthanasia" belongs to the historian Suetonius who described how the Emperor Augustus, "dying quickly and without suffering in the arms of his wife, Livia, experienced the 'euthanasia' he had wished for."

 

The word "euthanasia" was first used in a medical context by Francis Bacon in the 17th century, to refer to an easy, painless, happy death, during which it was a "physician's responsibility to alleviate the 'physical sufferings' of the body."

Fuck. You.

How are you going to even comment in this thread without watching the video? You have no idea what is being discussed here you stupid fuck. Your comparison is utter shit for the fact that 1) Normal people are not able to preform surgery on themselves - normal people such as the woman in the video (which you didn't watch) IS able to kill herself. 2) Preforming surgery on someone is an act of SAVING a life not ENDING one.

If you had watched the video you wouldn't have even made the second part of your comment - No one is arguing that those people don't deserve assistance dying - The bitch in the video ( which you didn't watch ) is perfectly able to kill herself yet she decided to go on tv and try and be a martyr for a category of people which she does not accurately represent. - Then she goes rock climbing in Cambodia.

John Smith - You are correct but the way CNN went about it is fucking bullshit. Now not only can this woman NOT change her mind about killing herself next month, for those who THINK about it - she is a shitty rep for this cause as NO ONE IS DENYING HER THE RIGHT TO DIE TO BEGIN WITH. The whole point is to raise awareness and change the law so assisted suicide for people who can't do it themselves becomes legal. - So why not interview someone who wants to die who can't do it themselves? Ill tell you why, because CNN sees a perfectly able bodied young woman with whom they can make a 'beautiful little story' with pictures and dreams and blah blah bullshit out of when in reality, the people who need these laws are stuck in bed, attached to machines, paralyzed, old and decrepit.

[RisiR]

I've watched the video now. You're an idiot.

If that chick raises the awerness which will lead to a change of laws it's great. Fuck CNN but double fuck your whiny tantrum you little bitch. What have you ever tried to change in your life that had such a significance? Fucking nothing, that's what. You spew hate about a girl with brain cancer that tries to advocate something that's literally called "Good death" and oh no, what a fucking bitch, she tries to enjoy the last few days of her life by doing things she likes. Kill her! Oh wait no.. don't kill her, that's morally wrong.

Death is a personal affair and it should be left that way.

Alright then how about you shut the fuck up about other people's personal affairs? Fucking idiot.