Has anyone read the bible?

[-SpectraL]

Research the word, Eheyeh.

It would be interesting to read your take on it.

Eheyeh (אהיה) means "I will become." And when the phrase, "will become" is researched, we find it means that the person "will prove to be"... something... but we're left to guess what that something will be.

So basically it isn't important.

It's quite important, because the entire central issue we all face in this failed system of human governance is the challenge of God's right to rule. In saying "I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be", God is saying we don't have to trust him on words alone, but also in the actions he is, and will, take. It speaks mainly to his character, and to his promise to all obedient humans here on Earth.

[Obbe]

Isn't that yoru interpretation of it?  What do you mean by that?

[-SpectraL]

Isn't that yoru interpretation of it?  What do you mean by that?

The entire purpose of the miracles that Jesus and his apostles performed were so that we could have faith and believe in the promise. These advanced aliens know that humans... even the best and smartest of them... will never believe something on faith alone unless they see a sign. They have to touch, feel, smell, see it before they will believe. If not for the miracles, no man would be saved. It is for this reason that God associated his very name to the acts he is, and will, perform. That is significant.

[Obbe]

What aliens?  Isn't this all you personal interpretation of something nobody actually understands?  If so,  isn't it insignificant?

[-SpectraL]

What aliens?  Isn't this all you personal interpretation of something nobody actually understands?  If so,  isn't it insignificant?

God, the angels, the demons... they're all highly advanced aliens with millions of years of highly advanced technical knowledge under their belts. God is the most powerful one, because he created all the rest of them. The technology they have is far beyond our wildest imagination, but they have a non-interference policy which is associated to the principles of free will. They will offer assurances and demonstrations, but they will not actively interfere in the process of determining the natural outcome of our free will. There has been a divide in their government, and we are all involved.

[starvingniglet]

What aliens?  Isn't this all you personal interpretation of something nobody actually understands?  If so,  isn't it insignificant?

God, the angels, the demons... they're all highly advanced aliens with millions of years of highly advanced technical knowledge under their belts. God is the most powerful one, because he created all the rest of them. The technology they have is far beyond our wildest imagination, but they have a non-interference policy which is associated to the principles of free will. They will offer assurances and demonstrations, but they will not actively interfere in the process of determining the natural outcome of our free will. There has been a divide in their government, and we are all involved.

Ummm, what makes you think that this is how everything works?  What if it is something much more prosaic, but still wierd? 

Maybe god is an alien, but not necessarily technologically advanced...maybe he/it is just so 'big' or somehow blends in with its 'environment' that we cannot perceive it....sort of how when we were kids and we would catch bugs and wonder if they thought we were 'god'....Maybe the stuff that we call 'dark matter' yet cannot directly perceive, is just the bulk of what we would call 'god' if we could 'see' it. IDK, I'm high as fuck.

[-SpectraL]

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Maybe the stuff that we call 'dark matter' yet cannot directly perceive, is just the bulk of what we would call 'god' if we could 'see' it. IDK, I'm high as fuck.

That would be a theory, but an ultimately faulty one. A rock can't think. A piece of wood can't talk. With God and the others, there is a marked intelligence and a series of demonstrations of amazing abilities. Evidence of their handwork is available for everyone to witness in a blade of grass, the flight dynamics of a bird, the pedals of a flower, or even the whisper of the wind under a midnight moon. Everything neatly arranged. Everything neatly in its place. All inter-connected and practical in every sense of the word. Intelligence. You can set your watch by the timing of the cosmos; that's how precise it is. Inanimate objects, such as magnetic fields may have properties, but they do not possess intelligence. With God, the King of all the aliens, what we're dealing with here is undoubtedly intelligent.

[mashleshmash]

I used to go to youth group (christian) from a pretty early age to about 16 so I've read a decent part of the bible and can recall some stories. 



We can talk about the bible if you wish.

[starvingniglet]

That would be a theory, but an ultimately faulty one. A rock can't think. A piece of wood can't talk. With God and the others, there is a marked intelligence and a series of demonstrations of amazing abilities. Evidence of their handwork is available for everyone to witness in a blade of grass, the flight dynamics of a bird, the pedals of a flower, or even the whisper of the wind under a midnight moon. Everything neatly arranged. Everything neatly in its place. All inter-connected and practical in every sense of the word. Intelligence. You can set your watch by the timing of the cosmos; that's how precise it is. Inanimate objects, such as magnetic fields may have properties, but they do not possess intelligence. With God, the King of all the aliens, what we're dealing with here is undoubtedly intelligent.

I never said 'it' (god) wasn't intelligent, I did say that 'it' may not have 'technology' as we might imagine it. 

And I am not thinking of 'god' as like a rock or piece of dead wood....It is more like what a walrus would be to an ant:  A vast bulk with no discernable features or qualities.  In the bigger picture a walrus has a measure of 'intelligence' and sentience, but an ant would not be able to perceive it.

[starvingniglet]

That would be a theory, but an ultimately faulty one. A rock can't think. A piece of wood can't talk. With God and the others, there is a marked intelligence and a series of demonstrations of amazing abilities. Evidence of their handwork is available for everyone to witness in a blade of grass, the flight dynamics of a bird, the pedals of a flower, or even the whisper of the wind under a midnight moon. Everything neatly arranged. Everything neatly in its place. All inter-connected and practical in every sense of the word. Intelligence. You can set your watch by the timing of the cosmos; that's how precise it is. Inanimate objects, such as magnetic fields may have properties, but they do not possess intelligence. With God, the King of all the aliens, what we're dealing with here is undoubtedly intelligent.

Something else that I was thinking about while high....Our reality is far from perfect, at least to our senses...Go out into 'nature' and one can witness this for itself....While 'everything may be neatly in its place', there are funguses that make leaves look ugly and infected, spider webs hanging in tatters, animal waste, and other 'imperfections' that to our eye make this world a dismal and foreboding place.  But when 'seen' at smaller scales, ugly funguses become 'perfect' arrangements of mycelial networks, spider webs become intricate ropes, ugly things become perfect landscapes when seen at different 'scales'.  In space, between the majesty of stars, there are ugly lumps of rock spinning in the darkness.  But when looked at from 'afar', they are not seen.  Reality is perfection with threads of ugliness spun through it. 

[-SpectraL]

That would be a theory, but an ultimately faulty one. A rock can't think. A piece of wood can't talk. With God and the others, there is a marked intelligence and a series of demonstrations of amazing abilities. Evidence of their handwork is available for everyone to witness in a blade of grass, the flight dynamics of a bird, the pedals of a flower, or even the whisper of the wind under a midnight moon. Everything neatly arranged. Everything neatly in its place. All inter-connected and practical in every sense of the word. Intelligence. You can set your watch by the timing of the cosmos; that's how precise it is. Inanimate objects, such as magnetic fields may have properties, but they do not possess intelligence. With God, the King of all the aliens, what we're dealing with here is undoubtedly intelligent.

Something else that I was thinking about while high....Our reality is far from perfect, at least to our senses...Go out into 'nature' and one can witness this for itself....While 'everything may be neatly in its place', there are funguses that make leaves look ugly and infected, spider webs hanging in tatters, animal waste, and other 'imperfections' that to our eye make this world a dismal and foreboding place.  But when 'seen' at smaller scales, ugly funguses become 'perfect' arrangements of mycelial networks, spider webs become intricate ropes, ugly things become perfect landscapes when seen at different 'scales'.  In space, between the majesty of stars, there are ugly lumps of rock spinning in the darkness.  But when looked at from 'afar', they are not seen.  Reality is perfection with threads of ugliness spun through it. 

Interesting thoughts. Remember, though... something ugly can still be perfect.

[starvingniglet]

Interesting thoughts. Remember, though... something ugly can still be perfect.

Ugliness and perfection are human concepts, created by humans, based entirely on our subjective 'senses', and are ultimately illusory.

[-SpectraL]

Interesting thoughts. Remember, though... something ugly can still be perfect.

Ugliness and perfection are human concepts, created by humans, based entirely on our subjective 'senses', and are ultimately illusory.

No, because perfection is functional, whereas beauty/ugliness is a matter of perspective.

[starvingniglet]

No, because perfection is functional

No one knows how far down the 'scales' of reality go, and what the ultimate nature of 'reality' even is.  What if the ultimate 'truth' is somehow slightly flawed?  Maybe there is something even more 'perfect' out there, and there is no 'ultimate' perfect state? 


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far down

Excuse me, I should have added, "or how far 'up''

[MoaningLisa]

I went to a lutheran school for the last part of elementary and first half of middle school, until I got expelled.

I know enough about it to catch references, and generally know the major stories.

in today's society, especially if you live in the US, its worth reading...just to catch the parallels.

I would recommend the King James version, as it is the most complete.

I look forward to reading other religious texts when I get the chance. even if you aren't christian and have no desire to be, its worth the read.