Rant on feminism

[millionsofdeadcats]

Implying that the increase in dual-income households is solely or even primarily attributable to feminism? lol.

You should change your name to 'simple mike'.

Yeah, I guess I am wrong just because you say so, FON.  Don't you have kangaroos to wrangle or some other stupid australian shit to do?

[millionsofdeadcats]

edit: and fucking lol at "god gave me the inalienable right to bear arms". this is why the rest of the world thinks america is retarded.

what the fuck do you think 'inalienable rights' means, dumbass?  I will quote your statement so posterity can witness your stupidity.

[FON]

Implying that the increase in dual-income households is solely or even primarily attributable to feminism? lol.

You should change your name to 'simple mike'.

Yeah, I guess I am wrong just because you say so, FON.  Don't you have kangaroos to wrangle or some other stupid australian shit to do?

So even after I pointed out that other factors contributed to the increase in dual-income households you STILL couldn't think of anything? lol. simple mike indeed.

There is plenty of evidence that demonstrates the role of changing economic circumstances and policy (labour shortages, changing labour markets, increasing unemployment, rising cost of living, inadequate wages/enterprise bargaining etc etc) in necessitating an increase in dual-income households. Not to mention other things like increased access to education can also help to explain the increased numbers of women in the workforce.

[FON]

edit: and fucking lol at "god gave me the inalienable right to bear arms". this is why the rest of the world thinks america is retarded.

what the fuck do you think 'inalienable rights' means, dumbass?  I will quote your statement so posterity can witness your stupidity.

I'm laughing at your appeal to God to justify the possession/use of guns and weapons. Such a typical american douchebag thing to do.

[DaGuru]

Implying that the increase in dual-income households is solely or even primarily attributable to feminism? lol.

You should change your name to 'simple mike'.

edit: and fucking lol at "god gave me the inalienable right to bear arms". this is why the rest of the world thinks america is retarded.

You clearly have ZERO understanding of history, and the economic times surrounding it either. Rosey the Riveter and the WWII female working class started the whole thing, and by the time the 70's came around and it became commonplace is when inflation really started to make a severe impact on the way we live our lives. Mike is right, back in the day you COULD raise a family on one income, but because of inflation by the time the later 80's rolled around now it takes 2 and sometimes 3 just to make ends meet....unless you are getting some kind of supplemental income of some sort.

And what else were the results of women flooding the workplace? More divorces, more infidelity, more kids left unsupervised turning to drugs, gangs, teenage pregnancies. etc ad nauseum. This is NO coincidence all of these ills more or less "started" in the ME GENERATION of the 70's....and as the nuclear family gets further destroyed we lose more of our culture and more familial values because of it.

So yes, feminism DID play a huge part in fucking up our society.....rhetoric and hubris of "equal rights" be damned.

[FON]

Implying that the increase in dual-income households is solely or even primarily attributable to feminism? lol.

You should change your name to 'simple mike'.

edit: and fucking lol at "god gave me the inalienable right to bear arms". this is why the rest of the world thinks america is retarded.

You clearly have ZERO understanding of history, and the economic times surrounding it either. Rosey the Riveter and the WWII female working class started the whole thing, and by the time the 70's came around and it became commonplace is when inflation really started to make a severe impact on the way we live our lives. Mike is right, back in the day you COULD raise a family on one income, but because of inflation by the time the later 80's rolled around now it takes 2 and sometimes 3 just to make ends meet....unless you are getting some kind of supplemental income of some sort.

So economic circumstances in the 80's brought about the increase in dual-income households? How does that disagree with what I just said? If anything that supports the point I'm making - that feminism shouldn't be solely or even primarily blamed for the increase in dual-income households as a number of factors contributed to this. Some of which are, arguably, more important.

And what else were the results of women flooding the workplace? More divorces, more infidelity, more kids left unsupervised turning to drugs, gangs, teenage pregnancies. etc ad nauseum. This is NO coincidence all of these ills more or less "started" in the ME GENERATION of the 70's....and as the nuclear family gets further destroyed we lose more of our culture and more familial values because of it.

So yes, feminism DID play a huge part in fucking up our society.....rhetoric and hubris of "equal rights" be damned.

I'm not quite sure you're following me. I'm not discounting feminism's role in engaging more women in the workforce, I'm just not blaming it entirely when there are clearly many other factors involved.

[stentor]

Feminism doesn't have to be exclusively just for women, it's merely a state of mind, a shift in consciousness in which men could participate as well for a more spiritually nurturing, abstract form of human nature. There's a lot of merit behind certain feminist ideologies, it's just a shame most men snort at the idea of Matriarchy and most women have lost the ability to trust in men because of a few male chauvinists and believe there is no practical way they could coexist.

[DaGuru]

FON, I'm not going to spell out to you the basic concepts of what causes inflation...because Google IS your friend.  IF you do any research on your own, hopefully by then you'll better understand how more workers=more money in the hands of consumers=dollar losing its value.

[FON]

FON, I'm not going to spell out to you the basic concepts of what causes inflation...because Google IS your friend.  IF you do any research on your own, hopefully by then you'll better understand how more workers=more money in the hands of consumers=dollar losing its value.

Sure, but could you please spell out how this means that feminism is primarily responsible for increases in dual-income households? Or how this effectively discounts the other contributing factors?

[millionsofdeadcats]

I already spelled it out.  Women demanded to be part of the workforce, so there were more workers and more consumer driven activities.  Inflation was a result, because there was more money and workers and more workers means more supply.  In the original post I made, this was implied, but since you are australian I guess I will spell it out for you, and I am even typing slowly so you can keep up.

[millionsofdeadcats]

I'm laughing at your appeal to God to justify the possession/use of guns and weapons. Such a typical american douchebag thing to do.

Our country's founding documents are based on this premise.  We were founded by proud rebels, not miserable illiterate convicts.  Fuck australia, and fuck you.

[Rook]

 I don't concern myself with massive ideologies. From my perspective and knowledge, I'm lead to believe that Feminism by some definition is the equality between men and women, in the sense, that women need to be respected and expected to do an equal share of work in relation to men.. but also, men need to be less idealized as the main provider.. Idk, I could way off on that.. just going on my general assumption considering I haven't cared to truly read up on it.. won't stop me from giving my opinion though.

 Honestly, I could care less. I already believe that men or women have the power to do whatever the sole please.. women can work just as much as a man, is to say.. if they want to. Some lazy ass men out there too so... why not. Men are expected to be sole bread winners based on the ideologies of the past decades.. I'm currently in a relationship where me and my fiance are both highly successful in our own ways..  I like a motivated somewhat independent woman.. I think the more equality we have between men and women, the better a man and woman can work together to succeed. All the drama inbetween.. dont fucking care.

[FON]

I already spelled it out.  Women demanded to be part of the workforce, so there were more workers and more consumer driven activities.  Inflation was a result, because there was more money and workers and more workers means more supply.  In the original post I made, this was implied, but since you are australian I guess I will spell it out for you, and I am even typing slowly so you can keep up.

And I told you that your view appears simplistic.

"women demanded to be in the workforce and the resulting inflation necessitated an increase in dual-income households".

The problem with this position is that you have completely ignored other contributing factors and laid the blame entirely on feminism and it's role in increasing inflation. You might be right, but your explanation so far seems half-baked and simple, even for somebody with as little knowledge on economics as me. Inflation isn't driven solely by changing labour market compositions and we know for a fact that other factors have made a substantial contribution in past decades, such as the oil shock in the 70's. Can you at least provide some sort of evidence that increased workplace participation for women was the primary factor in driving up inflation in past decades, and that this inflation completely overshadowed the numerous other factors that have been commonly noted to contribute to the changing family model?

[FON]

I'm laughing at your appeal to God to justify the possession/use of guns and weapons. Such a typical american douchebag thing to do.

Our country's founding documents are based on this premise.  We were founded by proud rebels, not miserable illiterate convicts.  Fuck australia, and fuck you.

And that makes it somehow less retarded?

lol. i'm glad that not all americans fit the stereotype as well as crazymike.

[millionsofdeadcats]

Can you at least provide some sort of evidence

Yeah fon, I am not falling for this.  20 pages later we will still be arguing.