Global Site Drama Thread

[Arnox]

I just wonder if this is a sign that arnox is just fed up in general.

Constant attacks, members unable to follow simple rules, discussion of the same past topics over and over and OVER again, people insulting SpectraL/DaGuru/TDR for the 50,000th time, talking about how this site's going to fail, and freaking child porn of all things getting spammed all over the site by sick pedophiles... Yeah, you could say I'm just a little fed up.

You know, my family members and my friends wonder why I put so much effort into this site when I talk to them about it. They tell me that I'm wasting my time. That I should just shut it down. That it's a stupid drain on my time and resources...

But I'm not going to give up on you guys just like that. I didn't invest my own time and money into this just to drop it down the toilet. I will keep this site up and will do so for at least a long time. And I'm not going to start censoring the userbase unfairly. But you guys do need to understand something. This is all really beginning to grow tiresome for me. When I log in to see a bunch of the recent topics getting filled with drama threads and none of the worthy threads getting any activity at all, I see a problem. And this has been going on for a long time.

I just don't understand it... We never had this problem at totse2. Even when totse had first shut down, when everyone was devastated by its loss, we STILL did not do nearly the amount of complaining that has been going on lately. We were cool about it. We moved on and we had an awesome time with what we had. But I guess that's irrelevant now.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I messed up somewhere. Maybe I messed up in a lot of places. I don't know. All I know is, this site is beginning to become less like how I envisioned it and more like a place I have to go to maintain and clean up every day. I try to enjoy it but it's not really there. It's piled under all the BS.

If I could get you all to understand anything, it would be to understand where I'm coming from here. Even in my everyday life, things aren't going so hot right now. So please. I'm trying to help you all as best as I can while keeping the interests of the site in mind. Please stop making my job harder than it already is.

[Bart the General]

I'm glad I helped contribute to your nervous breakdown

[Flowerz]

I just wonder if this is a sign that arnox is just fed up in general.

Constant attacks, members unable to follow simple rules, discussion of the same past topics over and over and OVER again, people insulting SpectraL/DaGuru/TDR for the 50,000th time, talking about how this site's going to fail, and freaking child porn of all things getting spammed all over the site by sick pedophiles... Yeah, you could say I'm just a little fed up.

You know, my family members and my friends wonder why I put so much effort into this site when I talk to them about it. They tell me that I'm wasting my time. That I should just shut it down. That it's a stupid drain on my time and resources...

But I'm not going to give up on you guys just like that. I didn't invest my own time and money into this just to drop it down the toilet. I will keep this site up and will do so for at least a long time. And I'm not going to start censoring the userbase unfairly. But you guys do need to understand something. This is all really beginning to grow tiresome for me. When I log in to see a bunch of the recent topics getting filled with drama threads and none of the worthy threads getting any activity at all, I see a problem. And this has been going on for a long time.

I just don't understand it... We never had this problem at totse2. Even when totse had first shut down, when everyone was devastated by its loss, we STILL did not do nearly the amount of complaining that has been going on lately. We were cool about it. We moved on and we had an awesome time with what we had. But I guess that's irrelevant now.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I messed up somewhere. Maybe I messed up in a lot of places. I don't know. All I know is, this site is beginning to become less like how I envisioned it and more like a place I have to go to maintain and clean up every day. I try to enjoy it but it's not really there. It's piled under all the BS.

If I could get you all to understand anything, it would be to understand where I'm coming from here. Even in my everyday life, things aren't going so hot right now. So please. I'm trying to help you all as best as I can while keeping the interests of the site in mind. Please stop making my job harder than it already is.

Its you, and the userbase. You aren't at fault at all, but your expectations certainly are.

My advice: You've been doing a good job so far (despite being mormon and loving dragons). A better job than zok anyways.

Don't set your expectations too high, and don't put in too much effort. Don't burn yourself out. I feel like that's what zok did. He went all in, and then quit. Be here, but don't be obsessed with this website. Maintain your sanity and personal life above all else. This thread in itself is proof enough of that. Trying to mod every thread in the forum for drama is suicide. I get that you want quality posts, but you can not, and will not, be able to enforce that. Its something that had to evolve on its own. Yes, some moderation is needed, but if you try to babysit the entire website, you are going to have a bad time, and just rage quit or go into exile like zok did. Don't make that mistake. Chill out.

My two cents anyways.

[millionsofdeadcats]

freaking child porn of all things getting spammed all over the site by sick pedophiles

Well, out of all the things you could be so passionate about, it is shitposting and not this ^^^^^^ that gets you fired up enough to make a thread with huge long posts in it.  Then when I, a user, a person who is not a moderator and has no stake or interest in it, gets pissed off about the child pornography visible to the public on your board, I am told 'let it be'.  I just cannot 'understand where you are coming from' with this.

[equanimity]

We're sorry, Arnox.  We'll try really hard from now on.

[millionsofdeadcats]

Why not just let people shitpost in 'ego', put a 'trash can' type thread where OT posts can go,  take 'head shrinkers' out of 'ego' and put it into 'carnality', and then move off topic posts to the trash can if people screw up serious threads with rampant garbage posts?  That is what I would do if I was you guys.

In other words, sort of like zoklet heh.  I am just thinking of a compromise, I have no imagination.

[General Fault]

We need one of these for the BI shitposts too.

[Rowan]

Why not just let people shitpost in 'ego', put a 'trash can' type thread where OT posts can go,  take 'head shrinkers' out of 'ego' and put it into 'carnality', and then move off topic posts to the trash can if people screw up serious threads with rampant garbage posts?  That is what I would do if I was you guys.

In other words, sort of like zoklet heh.  I am just thinking of a compromise, I have no imagination.

That is concise and to the point, that is what trash cans are for. If you want to clean up the threads you will have to take out the trash. Confine the shitposting to forums that are designated for it like B&M instead of rampantly all over the place.

[DaGuru]

people insulting SpectraL/DaGuru/TDR for the 50,000th time,

Arnox, as far as I'm concerned....you've done a pretty damn good job so far, and have been very fairy to this userbase. If anything you've been "too easy" on the troublemakers, which could be part of the problem. I have a couple of ideas myself what you could do to alleviate some of that stress, especially in regard to certain people that seem hellbent on causing drama and making flame threads every couple of hours if not minutes. But you've heard enough of that already, so I'll refrain for now.

And while I understand within your comment above you aren't saying I'm causing or even initiating some of the drama, its true that I'm a beacon for assholes. Unfortunately I have too much history with a lot of these spineless jackasses, and left a lot of butthurt, jealousy, and fractured egos in my wake. They truly can't get over it, and are stuck to my nuts like a pack of starstruck groupies.

I really don't want to see you burn out, nor do I want you to close this place down out of frustration. So with that being said, I'll take at least some of the heat/stress off your plate....and bow out for now. At least for a little while.

[Flowerz]

people insulting SpectraL/DaGuru/TDR for the 50,000th time,

Arnox, as far as I'm concerned....you've done a pretty damn good job so far, and have been very fairy to this userbase. If anything you've been "too easy" on the troublemakers, which could be part of the problem. I have a couple of ideas myself what you could do to alleviate some of that stress, especially in regard to certain people that seem hellbent on causing drama and making flame threads every couple of hours if not minutes. But you've heard enough of that already, so I'll refrain for now.

And while I understand within your comment above you aren't saying I'm causing or even initiating some of the drama, its true that I'm a beacon for assholes. Unfortunately I have too much history with a lot of these spineless jackasses, and left a lot of butthurt, jealousy, and fractured egos in my wake. They truly can't get over it, and are stuck to my nuts like a pack of starstruck groupies.

I really don't want to see you burn out, nor do I want you to close this place down out of frustration. So with that being said, I'll take at least some of the heat/stress off your plate....and bow out for now. At least for a little while.

Your entire gimmick (life) is obsessing over the forum. The most logical thing to do it to advise the opposite of that, lest we want another absent admin like zok or jeff before him. If you invest too much time into trying force order and reason on a bunch of autistic criminals then you are most likely going to get fed up and say fuck this. Arnox is experiencing this exact phenomenon. Hes trying hard and is not satisfied with the results. This isn't an issue of site policy, its an issue of mentality. Sure, recommend site policy changes all you want, I'm not even going to get into that in this post, as I don't feel its actually relevant to the post that arnox just made. What is important is that our new admin doesn't go crazy, flee, or rage quit, as we have all seen before. As such, I think its important that he set realistic expectations for the site. Your view seems to be to ban all 'kidiots' and create a perfect harmony of forum posting. That isn't ever going to happen and pursing that goal will lead to bowl cancer or worse. I agree arnox has been doing a good job, but his frustration is based off of unrealistic expectations. Rather than throw site policy ideology at him, he should rather be encouraged to take his new role more realistically, with a grain of salt. Trying to eliminate 'drama' for instance, is like trying to eliminate aids from the corpse of someone who just died from aids. Its not going to happen, and if could happen, it wouldn't be overnight. Rather then get all emotionally invested, fail, and then give up, arnox should focus on long term patience, delegation, and realistic expectations.

As far as I can tell, hes the only real chief here. Yeah, there are other mods, but none can take his place for shit as far as I can tell. Jeff and zok were absent for months at a time, and shit kept running because they delegated basic tasks to others. Arnox needs to do the same, especially if he is this stressed out after only a few weeks. This is an interesting period, but if the site is a success, the level of stress is sure to increase from this point. Employing proper stress management techniques, site expectations, delegation, and policy are all crucial to the long term survival of this site.

[equanimity]

Posters are always going to react self-destructively when called out on their shitposting.  It's interesting watching the way people work.

"What, you don't like me spamming mean nonsense in every single thread I post in?  You don't find my e-fights hilarious when they cross over from forum to forum, no matter the intended context of any of those threads?  Well fuck you!  I'll show you just how much of a shitposter I can be, hah.  You'll regret the day you tried to encourage me to express myself as though I had something worthwhile to say!"

***spam***

I'm a firm believer in positive reinforcement in communities like this.  You have to treat us all like children because that's kind of what we are when given free agency.  You don't hit children, you show them you respect them by talking to them frankly about the bad behavior and reward them for good behavior.

We have these useless stars on the left.  Arnox, maybe you could implement a thanks-like system that only allows you to hand out thanks?  And they could show up there on the left as stars.  And when a person collects 5 stars, they can trade them in for something neat.  Like maybe they would be able to reverse a ban placed on another member!  Within reason of course.  CP spammers need to stay gone forever.  But people like power to do things, and reversing a ban is always a positive thing for a person to do.  It could maybe strengthen the community in unexpected ways.

I say if you want more people to care, give them some limited powers or something as a reward when they start being consistently constructive and friendly.  Or something.

Just an idea.

[Flowerz]

Posters are always going to react self-destructively when called out on their shitposting.  It's interesting watching the way people work.

"What, you don't like me spamming mean nonsense in every single thread I post in?  You don't find my e-fights hilarious when they cross over from forum to forum, no matter the intended context of any of those threads?  Well fuck you!  I'll show you just how much of a shitposter I can be, hah.  You'll regret the day you tried to encourage me to express myself as though I had something worthwhile to say!"

***spam***

I'm a firm believer in positive reinforcement in communities like this.  You have to treat us all like children because that's kind of what we are when given free agency.  You don't hit children, you show them you respect them by talking to them frankly about the bad behavior and reward them for good behavior.

Communist faggot nazi. I'm aware that's contradictory. You entail the worst of communist and naxi ideals and are also a faggot to boot. FYI. I am wasted though. I may retract this criticism in the morning... er... afternoon. Fuck you for now though. 

[Ninja]

Man, I go to work for 8 hours and come back and my forum is all gayed the fuck out with totalitarian Nazi queer bullshit!

I never read the rules, but I don't think drama is against the rules.  In fact, drama permeates from every inch of life.  I do well to minimize it's effects on my life, but all the masturbating moderating in the world isn't going to eliminate it. 

Arnox: So, you told your family (muggles) that you run a forum for lowlifes (wizards) and didn't expect them to tell you that you're wasting your time on stupid bullshit?  And, I'm sorry to hear that your life sucks, but so does mine and everyone else's on this forum, so get the fuck over it.

Your job is to keep CP and PI off the forums.  And, to enforce the rules that I never read. Aside from that, you shouldn't exist, except to interact on a personal level, which I encourage you to do.

[mmmmmmmQuestions]

what are you people talking about?

[SBTlauien]

Arnox, I think you should just make it a private forum for the time being.