We Need Clear Definitions of What Constitutes Personal Information

[Rizzo in a box]

This is the continuation of the conversation that started in the other thread regarding LSD's PI.

No.

Just to be clear, did you ever post, or give permission for someone else to post, that image on any public forum?

No, people found the information through publicly available records but that doesn't mean he gave them permission or that it still isn't PI.

[sorry, I shouldn't be answering for him]

I disagree, not that I'm looking to debate the point here; ML's actions still need examination regarding Arnox's current rules on PI.

The information on its own isn't PI, but when combined with identifying the mugshot/news story etc with the particular identity of one of our users...I would say that ends up being PI.

The information on its own isn't PI, but when combined with identifying the mugshot/news story etc with the particular identity of one of our users...I would say that ends up being PI.

If data is harvested from publicly available sources then it shouldn't be regarded as personal information, regardless of the quantity of the information. Otherwise we get into a never-ending debate over arbitrary definitions of where the public data/PI limit should lay.

But that is irrelevant to this thread because ML appears to have misused her authority under the current rules. Whether I agree with those rules or not is not important.

No.

Just to be clear, did you ever post, or give permission for someone else to post, that image on any public forum?

No, of course I didn't.  Why would I do that with any image of mine, let alone a mugshot?

And I vehemently disagree with you that it's not PI.  Like Rizzo said, sure the mugshot may have been gleaned from a public article, but nowhere in that article does it correlate that picture/name/identity to this username.  The fact that that picture = LSD is PI.  The picture in and of itself could just be a random picture, but nowhere in the public eye is that picture known to be the same person who runs the username LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry.

It's absolutely not okay to do that, to post a picture of mine and tell everyone it's me so every fucking degenerate on this website knows exactly who I look like and can then trace that picture back to the article where it mentions my full name.  Would you be okay with that happening to you?  Now any piece of shit with the free time and the will (and clearly there are plenty of pieces of shit with plenty of both of those on here) can trace that picture back to my full name and fuck with my actual real life if they decided to.  That is not fucking okay, and it's especially not okay for a moderator to acknowledge that they saw it, ban the poster over it (therefore agreeing that it's PI), and then not only leave the picture up for days but STICKY it.  That's fucked up, dude.  Imagine that happening to you.

The information on its own isn't PI, but when combined with identifying the mugshot/news story etc with the particular identity of one of our users...I would say that ends up being PI.

If data is harvested from publicly available sources then it shouldn't be regarded as personal information, regardless of the quantity of the information.

So, if my phone number is in the yellow pages that gives people the right to link my irl name and phone number with my pseudonymous internet account? I don't think that makes sense, although maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

And Rizzo, can you really blame me for seriously considering "giving up" on this community when I have to deal with this shit over and over again?  It's pathetic that anybody would feel the need to do something like this, but apparently there are people that do.  I see from a couple of your posts just the past few minutes or whatever in this thread that you understand why it's definitely PI and my concern over it.  Your last post before this one is spot-on my point of why that shit's fucked up and is PI.

Nowhere in any article associated with that picture does it relate that picture to my username on here.  However, it DOES relate it to my real life full fucking name and former residence.  So for somebody to link that picture to my username here, they are therefore linking it to my full name, and that's fucked up and not something I am comfortable with every pedo Nazi degenerate scumbag on here (not saying all of you are those things, obviously; just that there are plenty of those here) knowing.

Do you understand where we're coming from a bit more now, Slave?  Can you try to put yourself in my shoes?

[sorry if the formatting is all weird guys]

[Rizzo in a box]

Anyway, the point is that we as a community and Arnox as our community leader needs to come up with very clear cut definitions of what constitutes personal information. Personally I think the stricter we are about it, the better. What exactly is the positive to having lax rules on personal information? Do any of us really need to know the personal information of each other? No, and if we do that's something that should be exchanged in private and stay in private. If you want this forum to be about free speech then you need to make sure people do NOT feel intimidated or harassed, otherwise people will be shut down and stopped from expressing their opinions through the use of blackmail and death threats and god knows what else. There is simply no reason for that.

And Rizzo, can you really blame me for seriously considering "giving up" on this community when I have to deal with this shit over and over again?  It's pathetic that anybody would feel the need to do something like this, but apparently there are people that do.  I see from a couple of your posts just the past few minutes or whatever in this thread that you understand why it's definitely PI and my concern over it.  Your last post before this one is spot-on my point of why that shit's fucked up and is PI.

No, I can't really blame you, and to be honest I was kind of lumping you in with a larger group of people like Panthrax and some others that were all gung-ho about the site and the chance for a fresh start until we started to run into some problems that we actually had to address and take care of. All the people that made a big farewell speech just because of the CP attacks that were small in scope and have seem to have ended, it seems so fucking disingenuous to me.

Freedom isn't free after all, we have to fight for it constantly.

[FON]

Anyway, the point is that we as a community and Arnox as our community leader needs to come up with very clear cut definitions of what constitutes personal information. Personally I think the stricter we are about it, the better. What exactly is the positive to having lax rules on personal information? Do any of us really need to know the personal information of each other? No, and if we do that's something that should be exchanged in private and stay in private. If you want this forum to be about free speech then you need to make sure people do NOT feel intimidated or harassed, otherwise people will be shut down and stopped from expressing their opinions through the use of blackmail and death threats and god knows what else. There is simply no reason for that.

I agree. PI should be under strict control. It wouldn't affect my forum experience at all.

[Slave of the Beast]

So, if my phone number is in the yellow pages that gives people the right to link my irl name and phone number with my pseudonymous internet account? I don't think that makes sense, although maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

How is anyone going to know, from a public directory, that Rizzo in a box is in fact 'Winston Smith of 537a Green Avenue', etc... unless you tell them? Maybe I'm being obtuse but how is anyone going to link SotB with 'Ernst Finkelstein of Golder's Green, London', unless I drop so much information that the connection can be made using public data, and information I've freely surrendered? And if someone says to their friend 'I'm user X on site Y' then I think they have waived their right to anonymity; no one IRL knows I'm SotB and they never will. Maybe they'd never intend the information to go 'public' but then if being anon. is so important why on earth would they tell people who they are?

I take a dim view on staff being forced to clean up peoples' mess because they couldn't keep their mouths shut.

[Rizzo in a box]

People share stories about their lives here, and while most of us do the very best we can to make it hard for people to pin point exactly who we are, anyone dedicated enough will be able to find information about you by simply following the gigantic digital trail we leave. Maybe you use the same email here that you used to sign up on facebook and from there they're able to see some of your friends and do this that or the other thing. Just because you don't have the imagination or the experience in social engineering to do it yourself does not mean that there are not methods, tools, and people that are quite capable of digging up dirt with a bare minimum of information.

It only gets worse when you consider that we are a community of people that have known some of each other for up and sometimes over ten years, and over that time we've all shared stories and had laughs and shared details of our lives that were too intimate to ever tell a friend or a family member. That's one of the things that made totse so great to me at least, was all that crazy stories of people living such vastly different, weird lives all over the globe.

Everyone should practice the best opsec they can, but everybody makes mistakes and those mistakes pile up after a while. All it takes is one fucking asshole to do the legwork and suddenly anyone and their grandma can send a swat team to your house and possibly have you killed.

That is NOT an environment that fosters a trusting community where we share knowledge and stories and laughs and tears (and...other bodily fluids), and without that breathing room than we have absolutely nothing and there is no point for us to even try. If we are continually at war with each other as a community then the gig is already up, it's game over man, it's game over!

Personally I don't care how dim of a view you take of the staff actually having to moderate, that is what they are here for and if they are not up for the task then we should either find people that are or just give it up for good. This PI issue is only going to get worse as the years drag on, if we do not work to put an end to it right now.

It is far better for someone on an internet forum to not be able to post for a few days because of something that may or may not have been a PI violation than for someone to have their REAL life ACTUALLY destroyed because of a careless staff that encouraged a cess-pool of malicious e-paparazzi.

[Mass Hypnosis]

Y'all niggas can't get my PI, guaranteed.

[Rizzo in a box]

Y'all niggas can't get my PI, guaranteed.

Famous last words.

[Mass Hypnosis]

Behold, God I am.

[DaGuru]

ELL OH FUCKIN ELL @ the fact its RIZZO of all people now trying to champion the cause of "PI abuse" when he himself has successfully fucked with other people's PI.

I wonder if maybe he isn't worried about LSD, instead he realizes some of his own past sins could be exposed....because when has Rizzo ever gone out of his way to care about his fellow man/other posters on a website?

Seriously Rizzo, where was all of your self-righteous indignation when all of this was going on for literally YEARS at Zoklet. Not days, but years? Just like I said to you in the other thread, when the staffers are your "buddies" you sit back like a mute little bitch and don't give a fuck about the common good. Now because you aren't part of the "in crowd" with the people who have their hands on the buttons......you feign some bullshit altruistic cause with such alarmist urgency.

Flip-flopper INDEED! 

[MrHigh]

If I post people's name, social security number, and date of birth, is that against the sites rules?

[DaGuru]

If I post people's name, social security number, and date of birth, is that against the sites rules?

Make sure you find the school someone plans to attend, that way the OP can dig through their posts and find them discussing hitting a roach a few years back and attempt to sabotage their pursuits of getting a higher education.......all because they disagreed with them on a message board on the internet. 

[millionsofdeadcats]

Make sure you find the school someone plans to attend, that way the OP can dig through their posts and find them discussing hitting a roach a few years back and attempt to sabotage their pursuits of getting a higher education.......all because they disagreed with them on a message board on the internet. 

The evilness of some people here is sort of disturbing.

[DaGuru]

The evilness of some people here is sort of disturbing.

Well said. Along with their blatant flip-flopping hypocrisy too! 

[RisiR]

I'm not evil. Please don't think that I'm evil.

[millionsofdeadcats]

I'm not evil. Please don't think that I'm evil.

I am referring to whoever daguru is implying fucked with someone in real life.  I have seen users threaten to do some fucking devious, passive aggressive, and just plain evil shit to other users here.  I have also seen them do more than threaten.  There are some seriously pathetic, petty, evil fucks around here.