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Re: god is math
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2014, 08:00:36 am »
Materialism ("stuff monism" here) doesn't rule out the possibility of mathematics or mathematical modeling. Radical monism (a special case of "thing monism") rules it out because you need in order things to model them with math (addition is a 2 value operation, at least two values have to exist plus whatever background is required for "value", "operation", and the special case thereof to make sense). You also need a subject/object relationship for a person to do math. And if you grant mathematical objects ontological status (which seems like a prerequisite for claiming "god is math") then there's this whole big class of things which just became non-unified contents of reality.

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Re: god is math
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2014, 08:03:20 am »
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Re: god is math
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2014, 03:53:03 pm »
Materialism ("stuff monism" here) doesn't rule out the possibility of mathematics or mathematical modeling. Radical monism (a special case of "thing monism") rules it out because you need in order things to model them with math (addition is a 2 value operation, at least two values have to exist plus whatever background is required for "value", "operation", and the special case thereof to make sense). You also need a subject/object relationship for a person to do math. And if you grant mathematical objects ontological status (which seems like a prerequisite for claiming "god is math") then there's this whole big class of things which just became non-unified contents of reality.

If the whole is being artificially and arbitrarily divided into many things, that is math.  Therefore math is not impossible.
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Re: god is math
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2014, 04:33:32 pm »
Your definition of "artificially and arbitrarily" is either totally meaningless (such that there is no difference between something naturally or artificially divided)  or your definition of divided is. From previous discussions it's the latter. You've denied the claim that different regions of space can have different properties so while you might propose mathematics can operate on your "artificial divisions" it actually can't because when we get right down to it you deny these "artificial divisions" have any actual external existence.

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Re: god is math
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2014, 04:36:11 pm »
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Re: god is math
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2014, 04:37:00 pm »
God is the Tri-force.
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Re: god is math
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2014, 05:23:03 pm »
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Re: god is math
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2014, 10:35:07 pm »
Your definition of "artificially and arbitrarily" is either totally meaningless (such that there is no difference between something naturally or artificially divided)  or your definition of divided is. From previous discussions it's the latter. You've denied the claim that different regions of space can have different properties so while you might propose mathematics can operate on your "artificial divisions" it actually can't because when we get right down to it you deny these "artificial divisions" have any actual external existence.

Yin and yang have different properties.  However they also unite together, complete each other and would not exist without each other.  Therefore they are one.  When we get right down to it you're just telling me I shouldn't do math because I see the world differently then you, but you're wrong.  It is not impossible to see the world in more than one way.
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Re: god is math
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2014, 10:39:37 pm »
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Re: god is math
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2014, 01:45:33 am »
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Yin and yang have different properties.  However they also unite together, complete each other and would not exist without each other.  Therefore they are one.

This is a reversal of an earlier claim, made by you, that different regions of space could not have different properties. No one has argued that things can't compose to have an emergent identity. It was you who would deny a tire is still a tire when it got bolted onto a car (because now "it is one" with the car). Do you reject the earlier claim or have you misstated your new position? If it's the former then great, you now have an ontological foundation for, well, basically anything and everything. If it's the latter then you still have an a totally batty position that's basically nihilism.

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When we get right down to it you're just telling me I shouldn't do math because I see the world differently then you, but you're wrong.  It is not impossible to see the world in more than one way.

I never claimed you can only see the world one way. Some ways of seeing it (including yours) are wrong or so muddled as to not even qualify to have a truth value. You can, obviously, do mathematic if you want but it doesn't make sense to do it giving your other beliefs and it's internally inconsistent if you want to make dorky claims like "god is math".

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Re: god is math
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2014, 02:05:17 am »
. God is god is man is the universe is man is all living beings is a simulation of a recreation of a digital representation of the universe. Everything is a layer within a layer within a layer but it's finite, and you never really know when the layers stop until you die.
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Re: god is math
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2014, 02:48:08 am »
A lot of things are god, math is just oneadem
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Re: god is math
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2014, 09:36:56 am »
i thought this was god is meth


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Re: god is math
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2014, 10:18:48 am »
There's nothing wrong with the way I see the world.  And if it doesn't make sense to you, oh well, I don't really care.
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