Living Reality

[Lanny]

Because you don't hold the prerequisite beliefs to parse an argument. Logic requires atomistic propositions and discrete structures/relationships. A radical monist (someone who argues for absolute unity) denies these things and thus can not sincerely engage in a rational argument.

[Obbe]

Because you don't hold the prerequisite beliefs to parse an argument. Logic requires atomistic propositions and discrete structures/relationships. A radical monist (someone who argues for absolute unity) denies these things and thus can not sincerely engage in a rational argument.

I don't understand what you just wrote but I'm pretty sure it isn't an argument against the unification of life and death.

[FON]

I'm always a little confused as to what I'm supposed to take away from an Obbe thread.

Putting aside the coin analogy for a second, say I accept that life and death are unified states, so what? It might be a nicer way of looking at it but it doesn't really change anything.

Looking at something in a different way can be refreshing, inspiring, and might  change a persons entire perspective.  But even if doesn't, so what?  It's just another point of view.  It doesn't hurt you.  Like you said, it doesn't change anything.  Except, maybe it does, for some people.

Some people go out and look at the stars at night.  And as they stare off into the great expanse they might feel somewhat insignificant.  All of this has been going on for billions of years before they were born, and will continue to go on after they have died.  But if they stare out at the expanse for long enough, they might just come to the realization that this great expanse is them.  Everything that is not you is the condition of you being yourself, just as the back is the condition of being the front.

[Obbe]

There is no front without the back.  There is no self without the other.

[FON]

Yep, that definitely doesn't do anything for me.

ur so deep, maaan.

[Obbe]

Yep, that definitely doesn't do anything for me.

ur so deep, maaan.

Not trying to be deep.  Just tryig to talk about this with people and see what they think about it.  If you're not interested in it you don't have to hang around regurgitating old cliches mistaking yourself for someone clever or funny.

[Rizzo in a box]

I'm always a little confused as to what I'm supposed to take away from an Obbe thread.

Putting aside the coin analogy for a second, say I accept that life and death are unified states, so what? It might be a nicer way of looking at it but it doesn't really change anything.

I suppose ideally that realization could bring about changes in how one acts in life - for instance the dead would not really be dead and you'd probably communicate to them like shamans would their ancestors. Possibly you would no longer fear death, or would have an entirely different attitude about it. Perhaps you would see death as part of an ever continuing journey instead of a final end point.

Perhaps.

[Montane]

There is no front without the back.  There is no self without the other.

So what is reality's other if it is alive?

[Rizzo in a box]

There is no front without the back.  There is no self without the other.

So what is reality's other if it is alive?

Unreality. The palace of hallucinations? The chaos crystal!

The power dome

lolwut

[Obbe]

There is no front without the back.  There is no self without the other.

So what is reality's other if it is alive?

Reality isn't self or other but the union of both.

[FON]

There is no front without the back.  There is no self without the other.

So what is reality's other if it is alive?

Reality isn't self or other but the union of both.

says who?

[Rizzo in a box]

One might say reality is more of a process than a static fact.

For instance, in the beginning stages of our universe physics was quite different and physical laws came into being one after another (I'm no expert here so someone correct me if I'm wrong) like gravity and electromagnetism and the strong & weak force...And as suns are born and die they create new elements within them that did not exist. This is pure speculation but is it totally naive to think that there might still be physical laws that don't exist yet that will?

[Montane]

Reality isn't self or other but the union of both.

As in relationship, yes? The impossibility of isolation, because that would be non-existent

[Rizzo in a box]

Reality isn't self or other but the union of both.

As in relationship, yes? The impossibility of isolation, because that would be non-existent

Non-existence is the dark mother of creation, the total void the gives rise to the self generation of light & being.

er, this is humanities, not the religion forum. muh bad.

[Montane]

Perhaps before existence.

The reality as the relation between everything and it's always changing now--
but mere product of perception and residing only in consciousness, (from consciousness?)
Perception and recollection, thereafter labels and definitions, of which reality cannot fit into alive,
rather,
a dynamicity of everything around as dimensions and energies collide to propel this moment forward in our minds