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Offline Lanny

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2014, 07:35:29 pm »
IIRC you made the same argument in M and A, Lanny when we were arguing about whether it's alright to ban people for posting jailb8 and discussing pedophilia in anything other than an intellectual debate.

I'm pretty sure I've never made the puberty/consent argument. My stance has always been that "jailbait" is ethically on par with child porn, and I think both ought to be legal if we can ensure the safety of the children involved. What we're talking about here is actual sex with children, which I've never condoned.

Wow, if you really can't understand the differences between a 13 year old and an 8 year old....whether sexually, physically, and emotionally....then you need to get serious and substantial help. But then again, what more could we expect from some introverted weirdo that pretends to be a guy-girl (or is it girl-guy?) just to get attention from complete strangers on the internet. Clearly you aren't playing with a full deck in regard to social interactions as a whole, much less a reasonable understanding of human sexuality in the least.

ProTip: Go Google the word "puberty" (instead of mocking something you know NOTHING about) and spend a few dozen hours studying up on the physiological and hormonal differences between an 8 year old and 13 year old. I sure as fuck ain't gonna waste my time educating some weirdo like yourself about the birds and the bees, and the simple facts of life. Maybe if you paid attention in health class and quit obsessing over computer science, this whole subject matter wouldn't be so foreign and uncomfortable for you. :-[

You seem to be confusing age with sexual maturity, maybe it's you who needs to do some research. There are (in the biological sense) sexually mature 8 year olds and immature 13 year olds. The objection being made here is not about physical maturity, it's about the ability of children to make good choices.

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2014, 07:36:09 pm »
Hello Spectral

Hello, but this isn't ICQ-chat-lite here. Don't you have anything of substance to add?

p.s. You have a very interesting choice of a handle there, friend.

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #92 on: September 11, 2014, 07:38:40 pm »
No, that's what it kinda sounds like, though. It's not my intention.

Rape is the point. Rape is never ok and you don't enjoy rape. If Bob Sapp (Huge MMA fighter) wanted to fuck me he could, same as I could fuck an 8 year old. There's no consent and no love involved, though.

Let's change the age a bit because 8 is hard for me to think about with an adult. But there was that one 12 yo kid who married his 40 year old teacher. He did everything for his love. He wanted it. I don't see anything wrong with that.

But if we're trying to make consent the sole criterion then we have to deal with the case of consenting 8 year olds. And even with the 12 year old case, do we really think a person of that age is capable of making a good, informed decisions about sex and marriage?

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« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2014, 07:42:29 pm »
So if you think a 13 year old can give informed consent then why not a 10 year old? 8 year old? Why can't children give consent as soon as they intellectually know what the word means?

13 represents roughly the age at which most people reach a landmark of sexual development and awareness, and begin to understand and seek out sex for enjoyment. 8-10 year olds OTOH are typically not pubescent and therefore physically incapable of having intercourse in an efficient or pleasurable manner. The difference is that the 13 year old is likely motivated at least partially by pleasure and romantic attachment, while a prepubescent child is in most cases being coerced.

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There is nothing about sexual maturity that enables good decision making, pubescent children have no significantly greater cognitive abilities than prepubescents.

There is nothing about human cognitive, emotional and physiological development that guarantees one will have the capacity to make good decisions at any stage of life. Referring specifically to females, a majority of adult women who consent are no less vulnerable to manipulation than a mature adolescent, and certainly not in any rational position to deal with the consequences of something going awry.

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The "derp derp, puberty" argument doesn't work and purely as arbitrary as the line it seeks to replace. If anything pubescent children are at higher risk of undesirable outcomes from sex.

Puberty is less arbitrary than a rigid, all-encompassing age of consent law. But this is the type of issue that needs to be analyzed and judged on an individual basis in order for meaningful conclusions to be drawn.

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2014, 07:42:52 pm »
What about mentally handicapped adults who are legal but can't take logical choices? Huh?

You know what, fuck that shit. It's not like this discussion will solve or change anything. It's just going to drag on and on until the hot 8 year olds we could've fucked instead died of old age.

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2014, 07:44:41 pm »
So if you think a 13 year old can give informed consent then why not a 10 year old? 8 year old? Why can't children give consent as soon as they intellectually know what the word means?

13 represents roughly the age at which most people reach a landmark of sexual development and awareness, and begin to understand and seek out sex for enjoyment. 8-10 year olds OTOH are typically not pubescent and therefore physically incapable of having intercourse in an efficient or pleasurable manner. The difference is that the 13 year old is likely motivated at least partially by pleasure and romantic attachment, while a prepubescent child is in most cases being coerced.

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There is nothing about sexual maturity that enables good decision making, pubescent children have no significantly greater cognitive abilities than prepubescents.

There is nothing about human cognitive, emotional and physiological development that guarantees one will have the capacity to make good decisions at any stage of life. Referring specifically to females, a majority of adult women who consent are no less vulnerable to manipulation than a mature adolescent, and certainly not in any rational position to deal with the consequences of something going awry.

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The "derp derp, puberty" argument doesn't work and purely as arbitrary as the line it seeks to replace. If anything pubescent children are at higher risk of undesirable outcomes from sex.

Puberty is less arbitrary than a rigid, all-encompassing age of consent law. But this is the type of issue that needs to be analyzed and judged on an individual basis in order for meaningful conclusions to be drawn.
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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2014, 07:50:59 pm »
13 represents roughly the age at which most people reach a landmark of sexual development and awareness, and begin to understand and seek out sex for enjoyment. 8-10 year olds OTOH are typically not pubescent and therefore physically incapable of having intercourse in an efficient or pleasurable manner.

This is untrue, prepubescent children are capable of pleasurable sex acts, masturbation in that population is not an unusual phenomenon.

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The difference is that the 13 year old is likely motivated at least partially by pleasure and romantic attachment, while a prepubescent child is in most cases being coerced.

But you yourself are willing to admit that this isn't always the case. If I could present compelling evidence that the majority of 19 year olds having sex are being coerced, does that justify raising the age of consent to 20?

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There is nothing about human cognitive, emotional and physiological development that guarantees one will have the capacity to make good decisions at any stage of life.

Yes but age correlates with decision making ability. As long as increasing the age of consent causes more social good in preventing children from making potentially disastrous decisions that is lost by restricting their sexual rights then we are obligated to do so.

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Puberty is less arbitrary than a rigid, all-encompassing age of consent law. But this is the type of issue that needs to be analyzed and judged on an individual basis in order for meaningful conclusions to be drawn.

Sexual maturity (puberty) has nothing to do with the social meaning and implications of sex in a modern society.

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2014, 08:00:43 pm »


Don't forget, guise.. this actually a -SpectraL Hate Thread®. There's  whole world of discussion forums out there for non-I-Hate--SpectraL-So-Terribly-discussion. Just a reminder.

TL/DR: ITT: you don't like me.

Thanks for your time. ;)

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2014, 08:03:37 pm »
FUCK YOU SPECTRAL! FUCK YOU HARD!
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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #99 on: September 11, 2014, 08:05:46 pm »
I just figured that arguing against spectral's beloved child porn would be the biggest fuck you I could give him

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #100 on: September 11, 2014, 08:07:18 pm »
I just figured that arguing against spectral's beloved child porn would be the biggest fuck you I could give him

^ strawman'ed-explanation alert

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2014, 08:09:14 pm »
Ahh yes, I keep forgetting that spectroll is only into "toddlercon", which I'm told is a subgenre of kiddy porn.

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #102 on: September 11, 2014, 08:16:13 pm »
Hello Spectral

Hello, but this isn't ICQ-chat-lite here. Don't you have anything of substance to add?

p.s. You have a very interesting choice of a handle there, friend.

Nice to "meet" you sir. No not at this time I just wanted to say Hello for now.

Thank you indeed it is sir@the "p.s." Have a fine rest of your day cheers to you and all

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #103 on: September 11, 2014, 08:21:54 pm »
Ahh yes, I keep forgetting that spectroll is only into "toddlercon", which I'm told is a subgenre of kiddy porn.

I've never had anything to do with child porn, you struggling little faggit.

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Re: ATTN: -SpectraL
« Reply #104 on: September 11, 2014, 08:23:28 pm »
little faggit.

Is that what you say while jerking off to videos of toddlers?