- Upgrades to NIMF to have it function as it did before (threads in it don't appear in Recent Topics or in the unread posts link) and also to make it a sort of spam forum people will be able to post in. (Very probable.)90% of the posts on this site will end there. This is stupid.
'Here guys, you can post whatever you want....in the forum trashcan!!!'
fuck you arnox
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
- A full site rules rewrite. (Actually, expect this for sure.)
- Upgrades to NIMF to have it function as it did before (threads in it don't appear in Recent Topics or in the unread posts link) and also to make it a sort of spam forum people will be able to post in. (Very probable.)
- Multi-quoting feature. (Very probable.)
- More smilies. Anywhere from 3 to 25. (Maybe.)
Meet them halfway on some things. It may not make sense for there to be a "Retarded Thread" in BLTC, but it happened organically and became a fun part of their "culture". Maybe I'm wrong here, but it seems mostly innocent. Like at least the posts there weren't as bad as the staff hate spam, and it's all confined to the one thread anyway.
Really hope I don't get in trouble for posting this too soon, but it's time we got out of M&A or whatever the place is called here and into the real forum. This is just my opinion as a new moderator and poster. I don't speak for Arnox or the other mods. Nothing is set in stone. This is like the early stages of getting stuff done, and you're invited to the brain storming session. We're talking, and that's all for now. Arnox of course has final say. What I think about some of Arnox's tentative plans:- A full site rules rewrite. (Actually, expect this for sure.)
I feel we should make a new rule. Something akin to, "No making posts detrimental to the website". Only enforce this rule in cases of obvious repeat offenders, and make sure the users know this is the case. Spamming staff hate threads does nothing positive for the website and actually chases members away. I totally get the concerns about free speech, but if something isn't done a vocal minority might kill the website for all of us. There are other ways to voice your opinions than loud, nonsensical, repetitive spam.
Hopefully no one would be banned, and everyone would continue along being awesome contributors and all that good stuff.
This is just my opinion! The other staff members may disagree or have their own suggestions, and nothing is set in stone just yet.- Upgrades to NIMF to have it function as it did before (threads in it don't appear in Recent Topics or in the unread posts link) and also to make it a sort of spam forum people will be able to post in. (Very probable.)
If we're going to have 3 general discussion forums, I feel they should each have a clearly defined purpose. SG is of course the "serious" general discussion forum, and NIMF is a potential newcomer with uncertain rules.
HB should be as I remember it from totse: basically without rules. Things like cp, making threats against the website, etc. would of course not be allowed, but I do not see a reason for making NIMF into this forum when Half Baked already exists. Posters should not be infracted for writing contentless posts, or trolling, or being drunk while in HB.
Half Baked seems to have had a different purpose on totse2, and this seems to have resulted in some minor culture shock for posters and administration here on Sanctuary. From what I can gather, HB on totse2 was a less serious general forum than SG but still had more rules than the totse HB. Meaning contentless or super drunk posts were not allowed.
In this instance, I believe the administration should adopt the rules the Zoklet crowd is used to, and accept HB in all its original glory.- Multi-quoting feature. (Very probable.)
Sure! Why not? :P- More smilies. Anywhere from 3 to 25. (Maybe.)
(http://www.smilies.be/k/katten/6105.gif)
And finally, something I wrote in the M&A-type forum:Meet them halfway on some things. It may not make sense for there to be a "Retarded Thread" in BLTC, but it happened organically and became a fun part of their "culture". Maybe I'm wrong here, but it seems mostly innocent. Like at least the posts there weren't as bad as the staff hate spam, and it's all confined to the one thread anyway.
Way to take initiative, eq.
Here's one of my posts regarding the discussion on SG/HB/NIMF:
SG is for general discussions and anything that doesn't fall into other categories. I remember Metaphysicist defined a discussion as a thread that required more than a yes or no answer or more than a single-line answer. For example, he would lock a thread that said, "Do you like to trick-or-treat?" He would require it to say, "Do you like to treat-or-treat, and why?" or "What do you like or dislike about trick-or-treating?" The thread would require a topic for discussion, with discussion being more than a one-liner.
HB, like it says, is for the lols. It's for playing games, not being "serious," posting one-liners, incoherent posts with no clear topic or purpose, and really no discussion is required. An SG thread would pass in HB, but an HB thread would not pass in SG. However, general forum rules still apply (no spam, CP, PI, advertising, etc.)
NIMF means not-in-my-forum. It is a step below HB because it can contain spam. Spam can take the form of repeated images or text, incoherent babble (though this alone would be okay for HB), floods, or I would suppose anything that is not illegal and does not violate someone's protection or identity (meaning no CP, no PI, etc.). I'm not sure about advertising - would need more clarity on that. I would say allow it because this won't show up in Recent Topics. The only moderating that would occur in NIMF would be to remove said illegalities (CP) or identity violations (PI). Otherwise, it's the sandbox and you can throw it in each other's eyes.
Have people been spamming pictures repeatedly, babbling nonsensically, or any of those things? Even in HB I haven't seen much of it, and if it did happen I bet it would be the exception rather than the rule. Telling people to post in NIMF seems like it might be something of a slap in the face, especially when we already have HB. Would be cool to open up NIMF anyway, so people can continue posting in the threads that get moved there. HB on totse and Zoklet was what you're suggesting NIMF be, but without the "trashcan" connotations.
*shrug*, what will happen will happen. A lot is different here, and that takes some getting used to.
Zoklets rules were generally followed and without much need for concern by the posting community
What is the purpose of posting this stuff here? Are you guys trying to make us feel as if we are 'participating' in something? Just tell arnox to hurry up with whatever he is going to decide for us, and dispense with the happy horseshit reacharound. I would tell him myself, but he doesn't seem to feel like interacting with me for some reason.
What is the purpose of posting this stuff here? Are you guys trying to make us feel as if we are 'participating' in something? Just tell arnox to hurry up with whatever he is going to decide for us, and dispense with the happy horseshit reacharound. I would tell him myself, but he doesn't seem to feel like interacting with me for some reason.
I would really like for you guys to participate. You have the right to opt out.
participate in what, the private discussion where you guys decide the future of this place? Arnox going into seclusion, and you guys taking it upon yourselves to intermediate between users and staff, with no official sanction to do so, is not conducive to any sort of 'participation' in anything except speculating what train-wreck decisions are coming down the pike.
What kind of official sanction would you like us to produce?
Don't be so dense. Participate in discussion regarding the site's well-being and future.
none, but it seems to me that you guys are doing this on your own, as opposed to being told by arnox 'please tell them blah blah whatever'.
I have said my piece, and got no answer.
'participation' :happy:
especially the smileys
What do you still need an answer to?
Just upgrade to VB or IPB
first of all, I asked how we could resolve this whole thing, and got silence.
I asked why people got banned for posting in hb
I asked if arnox was undermining and insulting his staff (I actually got a response to that one but it was a snide comment in the vein of FTFY)
I asked a lot of stuff, don't feel like going through and finding each one
I mean, realistically, I don't expect him to be at my beck and call to answer all my questions, but please don't insult my intelligence by telling me that I am 'participating' in anything around here.
first of all, I asked how we could resolve this whole thing, and got silence.
I asked why people got banned for posting in hb
I asked if arnox was undermining and insulting his staff (I actually got a response to that one but it was a snide comment in the vein of FTFY)
I asked a lot of stuff, don't feel like going through and finding each one
I mean, realistically, I don't expect him to be at my beck and call to answer all my questions, but please don't insult my intelligence by telling me that I am 'participating' in anything around here.
Arnox instills a certain level of trust within us. That's why we're here - to help out when he's not here and so he doesn't have to be here all the time
The silence is gone
I only speak for myself, but I do not feel undermined or insulted. I got a little hot from the off topic thread, but I'm cool now
No reason to quote equanimity's post.. but I agree with most all of it. Zoklets rules were generally followed and without much need for concern by the posting community. HB should be what it always was.. Retarded thread in BLTC seems normal, because I always remember there being one there.. People are going to complain no matter what, and they should have the free speech to do so.. I may not always agree, but it is a personal freedom that shouldn't be oppressed. Sure, their are going to be members who spam their way to excessive amounts of posts, with the fair majority being nonsense.. I honestly don't care, as long as those types of posts stay in a designated area and outside of intelligent conversation elsewhere.. We all have to vent our sporadic idiocy from time to time, even me. I do think there should be limitations on mass creating new threads with no content so as to flood the popular topics.. All in all sounds pretty good. I do think it would be cool if their was a referral system in place though.. Allow some novelty badge somewhere next to ones avatar for each rank up in referring however many people. Thanks systems can be abused, rep systems can be abused (especially in a community as small as this is right now).. I also think that accounts with less than 10 posts and have been inactive for over a month should be deleted.. That way your ridding yourself of potential alts or of any accounts created to try and abuse a possible referral system..
My 2 cents for now..
I grow weary of all of this. I don't really feel like going into detail how you guys taking on the responsibility of keeping the userbase informed, while not really knowing whats going on yourselves; and without arnox directing some attention to making sure that you guys are working as a team and representing him, is just straight up fucking retarded.
This is literally wrong. We are still waiting for arnox to decide what he is going to do.
You got 'hot'? I didn't notice
I guess I am not being clear.
This is like us putting suggestions in a suggestion box, and then waiting to see if they are implemented.
What is stopping arnox from coming and talking to us in threads? Hashing this whole thing out? I mean, if time is an issue, because 'there are too many complaints', no one said it all has to be fixed at once. If he is at least working out solutions bit by bit, that would shut a lot of complainers up. Not all though, there will always be complainers.
If time really was an issue, then he could use the time he is taking to 'make a decision', and all the time he will spend writing a big wall of text post, to come and type in a thread to the users instead...I bet he will make a post, and lock it, too....you know what the fuck I am talking about.
Instead of him talking to us as people, he is behind the 'admin' curtain, talking to you guys....and then you all are like "I wonder why its always 'us vs. them' with the users?"
You're one of those people who use the word 'literally' incorrectly, aren't you
Unless that's sarcasm, I take that as a compliment. I try to keep my emotions at bay and operate logically, but we're all human.
Arrange your thoughts clearly, concisely, and constructively. He will listen, as will we.
We are not going behind his back
I guess I am not being clear.
This is like us putting suggestions in a suggestion box, and then waiting to see if they are implemented.
What is stopping arnox from coming and talking to us in threads? Hashing this whole thing out? I mean, if time is an issue, because 'there are too many complaints', no one said it all has to be fixed at once. If he is at least working out solutions bit by bit, that would shut a lot of complainers up. Not all though, there will always be complainers.
If time really was an issue, then he could use the time he is taking to 'make a decision', and all the time he will spend writing a big wall of text post, to come and type in a thread to the users instead...I bet he will make a post, and lock it, too....you know what the fuck I am talking about.
Instead of him talking to us as people, he is behind the 'admin' curtain, talking to you guys....and then you all are like "I wonder why its always 'us vs. them' with the users?"
We are not going behind his back
not implying this.
I am just saying, you and equia-whatever took it upon yourselves to assuage the userbase....Instead of arnox at least telling you guys 'hey, could you tell them we are having a staff meeting and will get back to them'?
You're being a little unfair with your demands, cats
equia-whatever? I expect that from RisiR, but wow. That hurts
FUCKING THANKS BUTTON THOUGH
Not sure how possible those those suggestions would be to code in. There seem to be quite a few limitations to this software the website is running. Good ideas, though.
Do you think the website would be alright with a more strict set of posting rules? (see Idio's post of totse2 rules, as an example)
...Sure, there should be an outlet/board dedicated to nonsense and whimsical musings of a less intelligent and spontaneous nature to cater to those who wish to fill their time posting such on the internet.
What is the purpose of posting this stuff here? Are you guys trying to make us feel as if we are 'participating' in something? Just tell arnox to hurry up with whatever he is going to decide for us, and dispense with the happy horseshit reacharound. I would tell him myself, but he doesn't seem to feel like interacting with me for some reason.