Some word on what we're doing currently...

[starvingniglet]

Arnox instills a certain level of trust within us.  That's why we're here - to help out when he's not here and so he doesn't have to be here all the time

I grow weary of all of this.  I don't really feel like going into detail how you guys taking on the responsibility of keeping the userbase informed, while not really knowing whats going on yourselves; and without arnox directing some attention to making sure that you guys are working as a team and representing him, is just straight up fucking retarded. 

[starvingniglet]

The silence is gone

This is literally wrong.  We are still waiting for arnox to decide what he is going to do.

I only speak for myself, but I do not feel undermined or insulted.  I got a little hot from the off topic thread, but I'm cool now

I wasn't talking about you.  It was directed to arnox, about someone else. 

You got 'hot'?  I didn't notice

[equanimity]

No reason to quote equanimity's post.. but I agree with most all of it. Zoklets rules were generally followed and without much need for concern by the posting community. HB should be what it always was.. Retarded thread in BLTC seems normal, because I always remember there being one there.. People are going to complain no matter what, and they should have the free speech to do so.. I may not always agree, but it is a personal freedom that shouldn't be oppressed. Sure, their are going to be members who spam their way to excessive amounts of posts, with the fair majority being nonsense.. I honestly don't care, as long as those types of posts stay in a designated area and outside of intelligent conversation elsewhere.. We all have to vent our sporadic idiocy from time to time, even me. I do think there should be limitations on mass creating new threads with no content so as to flood the popular topics.. All in all sounds pretty good. I do think it would be cool if their was a referral system in place though.. Allow some novelty badge somewhere next to ones avatar for each rank up in referring however many people. Thanks systems can be abused, rep systems can be abused (especially in a community as small as this is right now).. I also think that accounts with less than 10 posts and have been inactive for over a month should be deleted.. That way your ridding yourself of potential alts or of any accounts created to try and abuse a possible referral system..

 My 2 cents for now..

Not sure how possible those those suggestions would be to code in.  There seem to be quite a few limitations to this software the website is running.  Good ideas, though.

Do you think the website would be alright with a more strict set of posting rules?  (see Idio's post of totse2 rules, as an example)

[starvingniglet]

I guess I am not being clear. 

This is like us putting suggestions in a suggestion box, and then waiting to see if they are implemented.

What is stopping arnox from coming and talking to us in threads?  Hashing this whole thing out?  I mean, if time is an issue, because 'there are too many complaints', no one said it all has to be fixed at once.  If he is at least working out solutions bit by bit, that would shut a lot of complainers up.  Not all though, there will always be complainers.

If time really was an issue, then he could use the time he is taking to 'make a decision', and all the time he will spend writing a big wall of text post, to come and type in a thread to the users instead...I bet he will make a post, and lock it, too....you know what the fuck I am talking about.

Instead of him talking to us as people, he is behind the 'admin' curtain, talking to you guys....and then you all are like "I wonder why its always 'us vs. them' with the users?"

[Idiosyncrasy]

I grow weary of all of this.  I don't really feel like going into detail how you guys taking on the responsibility of keeping the userbase informed, while not really knowing whats going on yourselves; and without arnox directing some attention to making sure that you guys are working as a team and representing him, is just straight up fucking retarded. 

Arnox asks for our input.  He has said before that he would make me co-admin again if I felt like it, and I do not take that trust lightly.  I do not think I am needed as an admin right now or that I would add much more value than he is already providing, so a moderator is where I am.  However, I will offer my advice to him and to the rest of the community as if I had an ownership stake because people are most effective when they run things like they own them.  As for the team as a whole, he regards his staff very highly and trusts their decisions.  Nothing would ever get done if he had to micromanage everyone.

We are not going behind his back.  You are part of the team - it's not us vs. them.  Please provide more detail if you want a better answer.

This is literally wrong.  We are still waiting for arnox to decide what he is going to do.

You're one of those people who use the word 'literally' incorrectly, aren't you?  Arnox has not made a full decision because he has asked for input.  If he didn't want input, he would just make his decision and none of us would be involved.

You got 'hot'?  I didn't notice

Unless that's sarcasm, I take that as a compliment.  I try to keep my emotions at bay and operate logically, but we're all human.

[Idiosyncrasy]

I guess I am not being clear. 

This is like us putting suggestions in a suggestion box, and then waiting to see if they are implemented.

What is stopping arnox from coming and talking to us in threads?  Hashing this whole thing out?  I mean, if time is an issue, because 'there are too many complaints', no one said it all has to be fixed at once.  If he is at least working out solutions bit by bit, that would shut a lot of complainers up.  Not all though, there will always be complainers.

If time really was an issue, then he could use the time he is taking to 'make a decision', and all the time he will spend writing a big wall of text post, to come and type in a thread to the users instead...I bet he will make a post, and lock it, too....you know what the fuck I am talking about.

Instead of him talking to us as people, he is behind the 'admin' curtain, talking to you guys....and then you all are like "I wonder why its always 'us vs. them' with the users?"

Arrange your thoughts clearly, concisely, and constructively.  He will listen, as will we.

[starvingniglet]

You're one of those people who use the word 'literally' incorrectly, aren't you

I guess, who cares?

Unless that's sarcasm, I take that as a compliment.  I try to keep my emotions at bay and operate logically, but we're all human.

No, I really didn't notice.  It is a 

[starvingniglet]

Arrange your thoughts clearly, concisely, and constructively.  He will listen, as will we.

[starvingniglet]

We are not going behind his back

not implying this. 

I am just saying, you and equia-whatever took it upon yourselves to assuage the userbase....Instead of arnox at least telling you guys 'hey, could you tell them we are having a staff meeting and will get back to them'? 

[equanimity]

I guess I am not being clear. 

This is like us putting suggestions in a suggestion box, and then waiting to see if they are implemented.

What is stopping arnox from coming and talking to us in threads?  Hashing this whole thing out?  I mean, if time is an issue, because 'there are too many complaints', no one said it all has to be fixed at once.  If he is at least working out solutions bit by bit, that would shut a lot of complainers up.  Not all though, there will always be complainers.

If time really was an issue, then he could use the time he is taking to 'make a decision', and all the time he will spend writing a big wall of text post, to come and type in a thread to the users instead...I bet he will make a post, and lock it, too....you know what the fuck I am talking about.

Instead of him talking to us as people, he is behind the 'admin' curtain, talking to you guys....and then you all are like "I wonder why its always 'us vs. them' with the users?"

Unlike some of us losers (me ), he probably doesn't live his entire life here and felt like posting a little less frequently.  And maybe he thought you guys would be alright for a little while without his reassurance that he was going to do the things he said he would do.  You're being a little unfair with your demands, cats.

I really don't understand why you're upset about us sharing our thoughts from the "secret" forum and being asked for your opinion.  The reason I posted my opinions is that you're all valued members of the community, and if we're to come to a solution together you need to know just what we're all working with.

We are not going behind his back

not implying this. 

I am just saying, you and equia-whatever took it upon yourselves to assuage the userbase....Instead of arnox at least telling you guys 'hey, could you tell them we are having a staff meeting and will get back to them'? 

equia-whatever?  I expect that from RisiR, but wow.  That hurts

We're no longer having a staff meeting.  Welcome to the community meeting.

[mmmmmmmQuestions]

FUCKING THANKS BUTTON THOUGH   

Spoiler

[starvingniglet]

You're being a little unfair with your demands, cats

I stated, in the staff complaint thread, I think, that I was going to do nothing from now on but complain about management.   And that is exactly what I proceeded to do. 

equia-whatever?  I expect that from RisiR, but wow.  That hurts

Sorry, don't feel like spelling it all out, I am high

[starvingniglet]

FUCKING THANKS BUTTON THOUGH

 

[Rook]

Not sure how possible those those suggestions would be to code in.  There seem to be quite a few limitations to this software the website is running.  Good ideas, though.

Do you think the website would be alright with a more strict set of posting rules?  (see Idio's post of totse2 rules, as an example)

 I have no problem with the rules as they stand. I would have no problem if they became slightly more strict. I mean, the point of a forum is to engage in an atleast somewhat intellectual discussion covering various subjects. Sure, there should be an outlet/board dedicated to nonsense and whimsical musings of a less intelligent and spontaneous nature to cater to those who wish to fill their time posting such on the internet. Personally, I don't quite get it most of the time.. but even I have the occasional urge to post blatant vulgarity and incomprehensible hodge podge. Even though we have users who do this frequently, the fact remains.. they are traffic.. they may piss off the sum, but ultimately they help keep this site afloat.. err.. in a sense.

 Then again, this isn't my forum. I adhere to the rules in play by the person who makes them.. otherwise, I'd simply go somewhere else. I've already stated in other threads how I would run a forum, and that would mean strict guidelines and lack or mercy to those would constantly try to break the rules... intelligent discussion to an extent or gtfo, more or less. People are going to complain, so I don't mean that.. plenty of intellectual discussion to be had in debate, whether or not you agree with someone is of no concern as long as the rules are followed. But the inability to debate with reason, and the devolution to petty name calling.. I could do without and would do without. You only get what you want... compromise is a valuable thing in life, but sometimes.. it just means putting up with shit you could otherwise be happily doing without. This forum is young and will grow, there isn't anyone here, including me that this forum would miss if they never posted again.  I think things need to be nipped in the bud now with some outstanding clearly defined rules that are to be effectively administered, or fall victim to not responsibly handling a situation before it gets out of control.

 Flame away, I'm not coming back to this thread..

[-SpectraL]

...Sure, there should be an outlet/board dedicated to nonsense and whimsical musings of a less intelligent and spontaneous nature to cater to those who wish to fill their time posting such on the internet.

They can't stay in there. That's already been proved many times over, and it's why both communities failed.