The Sanctuary
Ego => Bitch & Moan => Topic started by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 03:47:25 pm
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ITT lets discuss how we can actually resolve this whole thing. I have a list of tentative solutions at least as far as staffing issues:
#1 get the staff all on the same page
#2 clarify your rules
#3 come up with a system to actually address user complaints in a way satisfactory to both parties
Any other thoughts? Because otherwise, arnox and staff, you will lose.
I am just giving you guys an 'out' to spare you further mockery and embarrassment.
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1. Stop being hypocrite faggots.
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I know this is a B&M thread, but I'm actually interested in how we could improve everyone's experience at the Sanctuary. Thoughtful and constructive suggestions would help, but that wouldn't necessarily fit the topic of this thread and forum. Don't worry, I wouldn't delete your posts if you went a bit off topic and decided to post constructively as well. 8)
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Don't worry, I wouldn't delete your posts if you went a bit off topic and decided to post constructively as well. 8)
If you notice, no one has said a peep to you about the deleting posts. Everyone knows that it was obbe who was the faggot, and you were just doing your job. I have no complaints against you as an individual. If I do refer to 'staff', it is as a monolithic entity, so nothing personal.
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I think the amount of rushed and hurried decisions while being incapable of listening to accurate but opposing viewpoints should be of top priority for address
The place needs to grow organically and for that to happen users need to have a voice even if the admin might think he knows best because without users a forum is useless and as can be evidenced the activity has been steadily dropping since inception
I can think of very few people who see hypocrisy worthwhile in a place to disseminate information
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I know this is a B&M thread, but I'm actually interested in how we could improve everyone's experience at the Sanctuary. Thoughtful and constructive suggestions would help, but that wouldn't necessarily fit the topic of this thread and forum. Don't worry, I wouldn't delete your posts if you went a bit off topic and decided to post constructively as well. 8)
honestly I don't see the reason for the we won't delete anything under any circumstance rule seeing as there are in general reasons to delete some posts if they truly are so outside the realm of what a thread is about they add clutter to contributions and can a lot of times ruin the readability of a thread
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I posted this in B&M so that we could post OT if we want without faggots reporting us and shit
but, I would hope that we can focus on the endgame here, rather than make this another 'staff complaint thread'. What exactly would satisfy the discontent? Lets lay it all on the table here.
also, niggers.
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This thread will be moved anyway.
Jews.
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Any other thoughts? Because otherwise, arnox and staff, you will lose.
Careful, Arnox isn't terribly good at interpreting on-screen statements; he might think you're making an e-terrorist threat against the site. I'm not joking, ask RisiR.
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Any other thoughts? Because otherwise, arnox and staff, you will lose.
Careful, Arnox isn't terribly good at interpreting on-screen statements; he might think you're making an e-terrorist threat against the site. I'm not joking, ask RisiR.
I hope he fucking does, I will just go hang out somewhere else. I have been a member of 100 boards already and been through this same shit a hundred times. Boards close, staff becomes faggots, females attention whore, and autists shitpost. Its all the same, really.
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I have no complaints against you as an individual. If I do refer to 'staff', it is as a monolithic entity, so nothing personal.
Count me in on that as well, Idio. I have ZERO issues with you, Moaning Lisa, or Rocklin. Its the other 2 hypocritical twits I direct my commentaries towards.
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I have no complaints against you as an individual. If I do refer to 'staff', it is as a monolithic entity, so nothing personal.
Count me in on that as well, Idio. I have ZERO issues with you, Moaning Lisa, or Rocklin. Its the other 2 hypocritical twits I direct my commentaries towards.
I'm also with that
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I have a recommendation for staff trying to run a free speech site...'hands off' is a good rule of thumb when running such a board. At least give us one forum where we can post what we want.
I am not advocating flooding or CP, or incriminating or exposing others PI. Those things can be an exception, for the sake of the integrity of the forums.
There have been users banned for posting 'spam threads' in half baked...what the fuck for? There is too much 'micromanagement' and competing agendas here, talk about derailing a thread, management here is managing to derail the entire website....
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You can tell how this is going to go if you notice who hasn't posted in this thread....the silence is very telling.
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If the staff can't get their shit together I can't see them being able to handle more traffic.
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I posted this in B&M so that we could post OT if we want without faggots reporting us and shit
but, I would hope that we can focus on the endgame here, rather than make this another 'staff complaint thread'. What exactly would satisfy the discontent? Lets lay it all on the table here.
also, niggers.
Off-topic posts are within our acceptable posting guidelines, unless you are subjectively blatantly derailing the thread. I don't have an example of this though.
I have a recommendation for staff trying to run a free speech site...'hands off' is a good rule of thumb when running such a board. At least give us one forum where we can post what we want.
I am not advocating flooding or CP, or incriminating or exposing others PI. Those things can be an exception, for the sake of the integrity of the forums.
There have been users banned for posting 'spam threads' in half baked...what the fuck for? There is too much 'micromanagement' and competing agendas here, talk about derailing a thread, management here is managing to derail the entire website....
I have always believed in more of a hands-off approach. Just because one is hands-offish does not mean he or she is not monitoring things closely, ready to act when necessary.
I have no complaints against you as an individual. If I do refer to 'staff', it is as a monolithic entity, so nothing personal.
Count me in on that as well, Idio. I have ZERO issues with you, Moaning Lisa, or Rocklin. Its the other 2 hypocritical twits I direct my commentaries towards.
I'm also with that
Thanks for the support folks.
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You are still sucking Arnie's dick, though, modfag.
Part of the solution or part of the problem. Your head will roll.
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You are still sucking Arnie's dick, though, modfag.
Part of the solution or part of the problem. Your head will roll.
a staff resignation en masse would do much to alleviate our discontent
plus I would laugh
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You are still sucking Arnie's dick, though, modfag.
Part of the solution or part of the problem. Your head will roll.
So which am I - part of the solution or part of the problem? I would like to be the former, but it is up to you to decide.
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You are still sucking Arnie's dick, though, modfag.
Part of the solution or part of the problem. Your head will roll.
So which am I - part of the solution or part of the problem? I would like to be the former, but it is up to you to decide.
:suspect:
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:suspect:
Why hasn't arnox come into this thread and posted his attempt at compromise? Its like a parley where one side just doesn't even show up, the one guy that does bother to attend has no idea what his side's agenda is, and he has no authority to make any real concessions.
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Not to mention that for all the 'staff complaint thread' pages, there is no one else but me who has anything to say in this thread?
I guess you guys like it this way, or something.
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If the staff can't get their shit together I can't see them being able to handle more traffic.
Don't worry if traffic increases, he'll add more staff members. Just as soon as he can find posters that are "fair".....errrr, no wait, that's not it....find posters that are "professional".....ummmmm, that's not it either. As soon as he can find posters that are "nice" enough to do the job, THEN all will be well. ;D
Why hasn't arnox come into this thread and posted his attempt at compromise? Its like a parley where one side just doesn't even show up, the one guy that does bother to attend has no idea what his side's agenda is, and he has no authority to make any real concessions.
Arnox hasn't done much of anything once his impulsive retardation again blew up right in his face. Maybe for once he actually heeded my words and is taking time to research things, instead of "not having time" or only getting half a story before he acts like a spastic moron.
Not to mention that for all the 'staff complaint thread' pages, there is no one else but me who has anything to say in this thread?
I guess you guys like it this way, or something.
As for this, while I have quite a few ideas...I've pretty much expressed most of them countless times already. And with all the complaints and suggestions people have brought forward...Arnox has either ignored them, brushed them off, or just made very weak excuses.
Besides, its not like he expressed he was going to be an eager or willing party to this thread or the spirit of it. You can't really have a negotiation, parlay or comprimise or even just sincere discussion of any sort....if the other party is just hiding in his bunker under his cot in the fetal position.
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I don't think he's intentionally hiding right now. He's just taking time to mull things over, like you guys wanted him to. We're communicating and working things out. All I ask is that you be patient and be willing to work towards a solution. It's understandable to vent your frustrations (especially in B&M), but we'll need to address some things together soon. And by together, I mean with all of you, as a community, involved.
I plan on going into detail about some things later on. I will try to get to it tonight, but today I will be a little busy today (picking up a dresser for my unborn child after work). And I'm at work right now, so shhh.
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As for this, while I have quite a few ideas...I've pretty much expressed most of them countless times already. And with all the complaints and suggestions people have brought forward...Arnox has either ignored them, brushed them off, or just made very weak excuses.
Besides, its not like he expressed he was going to be an eager or willing party to this thread or the spirit of it. You can't really have a negotiation, parlay or comprimise or even just sincere discussion of any sort....if the other party is just hiding in his bunker under his cot in the fetal position.
^this especially the first part of the statement
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As for this, while I have quite a few ideas...I've pretty much expressed most of them countless times already. And with all the complaints and suggestions people have brought forward...Arnox has either ignored them, brushed them off, or just made very weak excuses.
this is more of a 'what can we agree on that will smooth things over for now' rather than a general suggestion and complaint sort of thing.
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I don't think he's intentionally hiding right now. He's just taking time to mull things over, like you guys wanted him to.
writing a 'TTFN', perhaps?
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It might help if we could all calm down just a little bit. It's understandable if we're a little emotional from time to time, but if we actually want to come to mutually agreeable solutions it's generally best not to lose ourselves.
If we express ourselves calmly and sincerely try to understand where everyone else is coming from, our efforts move away from angry masturbation into the realm of productive expression.
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angry masturbation
the best kind
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I prefer melancholy masturbation.
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It might help if we could all calm down just a little bit. It's understandable if we're a little emotional from time to time, but if we actually want to come to mutually agreeable solutions it's generally best not to lose ourselves.
If we express ourselves calmly and sincerely try to understand where everyone else is coming from, our efforts move away from angry masturbation into the realm of productive expression.
Or you could just fuck off for good and 80% of the problems would go away.
Take your feel good wishy washy soft bullshit and get to stepping already. This kind of thin-skinned blather will NOT help anything in regard to "adult" discussion" for any legitimate changes to take place....not here, not in most places that are frequented by actual capable human beings.
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It might help if we could all calm down just a little bit. It's understandable if we're a little emotional from time to time, but if we actually want to come to mutually agreeable solutions it's generally best not to lose ourselves.
If we express ourselves calmly and sincerely try to understand where everyone else is coming from, our efforts move away from angry masturbation into the realm of productive expression.
This shit is extremely patronizing especially considering people feel like they've been pushed to their emotional states and your high horse is what most people take issue with in these threads
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and your high horse
Its more like a mutant crippled jackass....but your point still rings true.
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Angry masturbation... melancholy masturbation... leading to productive expression. I call that explosive ejaculation.
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It might help if we could all calm down just a little bit. It's understandable if we're a little emotional from time to time, but if we actually want to come to mutually agreeable solutions it's generally best not to lose ourselves.
If we express ourselves calmly and sincerely try to understand where everyone else is coming from, our efforts move away from angry masturbation into the realm of productive expression.
HandOfZek, why are you even alive
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You know what happens when you are driving a car and you take your hands off the wheel? You crash and burn. Only an idiot would drive a BBS with no hands.
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Arnox new catch phrase 'look ma, no hands!'
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Tick, tick, tick....
And the crickets go...
*chirp, chirp, chirp*
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Been posting since the migration hassle free.
You idiots must be posting wrong.
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Been posting since the migration hassle free.
You idiots must be posting wrong.
You are the reason why we lost the ability to alter the font size and you got banned for posting gay horse snuff porn.
Sorry bro but you're doing it just like the rest of us idiots.
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OP needs to lose weight.
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I see that arnox is taking this seriously.
Fine. I get your message loud and clear.
No peace.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/ng6cko.jpg)
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Been posting since the migration hassle free.
You idiots must be posting wrong.
You are the reason why we lost the ability to alter the font size and you got banned for posting gay horse snuff porn.
Sorry bro but you're doing it just like the rest of us idiots.
Yeah, and I knew for a fact what I was doing was both A) annoying and B) abusing the font function/spam.
I did it with the knowledge it was wrong. I never entertained the notion that I was being unfairly put upon. Everything I got I deserved, and I was prepared to deal with the consequences of my actions from the get go. I never shirk my comeuppance.
The problem is that a great many people on this website are not prepared to accept the consequences for being fucktarded.
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Idiot niggers such as yourself always ruin font sizes just to be a nigger.
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Just give peace a chance.
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Just give peace a chance.
That's it? A day later and you went from this......
I don't think he's intentionally hiding right now. He's just taking time to mull things over, like you guys wanted him to. We're communicating and working things out. All I ask is that you be patient and be willing to work towards a solution. It's understandable to vent your frustrations (especially in B&M), but we'll need to address some things together soon. And by together, I mean with all of you, as a community, involved.
I plan on going into detail about some things later on. I will try to get to it tonight, but today I will be a little busy today (picking up a dresser for my unborn child after work). And I'm at work right now, so shhh.
.....to some milquetoast cliche? This ain't like you Idio....did one of those 2 fuck-ups hack your account, just to have some more childish yucks at our/your expense?
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Nah, I posted something more elaborate behind the scenes. Awaiting Arnox's take.
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Maybe you guys could share some more of your thoughts and feelings about how things have been going, and what you would like to see in the future. Please keep it constructive though :)
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Maybe you guys could share some more of your thoughts and feelings about how things have been going, and what you would like to see in the future. Please keep it constructive though :)
we want a place to shitpost (since people get banned for posting in HB even), and amnesty for bling and ninja....but arnox fucked around too much and I lost interest so fuck it
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OP needs to lose weight.
I want to punch your mother in the fucking vagina for giving birth to you
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I'd like to see HB as a generally rules free place, too. But I only speak for myself.
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I'd like to see HB as a generally rules free place, too. But I only speak for myself.
Do you know how fucking stupid it is for someone to say 'This is a free speech forum' and then ban people for 'contentless' posts? A free speech forum where there is no actual 'free speech' component.
"This forum has what you need. So welcome to raw information, welcome to freedom of speech. Welcome to the Sanctuary"
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inb4 im infracted for 'posting staff hate outside the staff hate thread'
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Come ON people! Fucking hell, I want amnesty for Bling and Ninja, plus an ACTUAL place to shitpost. Motion passed mothafuckas. Also, we really need to step up our game. Long Live Zoklet has actual members now. You hear that? ACTUAL. FUCKING. MEMBERS.
-Balls
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As Idio has said, a lot of things are being discussed at the moment. Sorry for the silence but it's necessary right now as we're still not quite sure exactly what we're going to do. I'll most likely be making an announcement here very soon though about some of the basic things we're going over.
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Yeah guys, havent you seen hey arnold? Our administrator needs his thinkin time or all the other kids end up dying in a car crash or somethin.
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Mindless posts aren't speech, though, they're just kidiot babble, like Goo-goo-gaga. Goo-goo-gaga doesn't really say anything, and so it's not speech at all. Only actual speech can be covered under the free speech gambit. Just like smell isn't speech. Would you grant someone the right to smell under the free speech gambit? They're not even related. Just like kidiot babble isn't related to free speech either. It's just an unintelligible noise, not speech at all. Genuine speech comes in the form of coherent dialogue containing words, sentences, paragraphs, thoughts, ideas, observations, suggestions... kidiot-speak has nothing to do with any of that. It's more like a smell than speech, and it really stinks. What you do with stinky stuff is you throw it out. You get rid of it. You clean it up. You don't make excuses for it or try to justify it by calling it something it isn't.
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I'd like to see HB as a generally rules free place, too. But I only speak for myself.
Do you know how fucking stupid it is for someone to say 'This is a free speech forum' and then ban people for 'contentless' posts? A free speech forum where there is no actual 'free speech' component.
"This forum has what you need. So welcome to raw information, welcome to freedom of speech. Welcome to the Sanctuary"
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inb4 im infracted for 'posting staff hate outside the staff hate thread'
free speech doesn't work like that in the real world even why would you expect it to here?
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free speech doesn't work like that in the real world even why would you expect it to here?
e.e. cummings
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Sorry for the silence but it's necessary right now as we're still not quite sure exactly what we're going to do
Its 100% obvious 'what you are going to do'...you and your staff are going to decide, then you are going to issue some edicts. Our input and what we want is being left out while you guys seperate yourselves from the userbase and deliberate in silence.
As I have said many times, this place is a restaurant where the owner demands that the chef make all his favorite foods, while customers slowly just stop coming because the food is terrible.
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Its 100% obvious 'what you are going to do'...you and your staff are going to decide, then you are going to issue some edicts. Our input and what we want is being left out while you guys seperate yourselves from the userbase and deliberate in silence.
As I have said many times, this place is a restaurant where the owner demands that the chef make all his favorite foods, while customers slowly just stop coming because the food is terrible.
Not true. I'm an advocate for community input and inclusion. This is your site just as much as it is ours (his). It's all about the community. If there is a no community, there is no Sanctuary.
We just have to work a few things out for ourselves and figure out what we want to be when we grow up. Stay tuned.
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Not true. I'm an advocate for community input and inclusion. This is your site just as much as it is ours (his). It's all about the community. If there is a no community, there is no Sanctuary.
We just have to work a few things out for ourselves and figure out what we want to be when we grow up. Stay tuned.
"we really want to work with you guys, and we value your input, so bear with us while we decide the future of this community behind the scenes....we will let you know what we decide"
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"we really want to work with you guys, and we value your input, so bear with us while we decide the future of this community behind the scenes....we will let you know what we decide"
It seems you've never experienced any real organizational development or change. This is good for you.
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"we really want to work with you guys, and we value your input, so bear with us while we decide the future of this community behind the scenes....we will let you know what we decide"
It seems you've never experienced any real organizational development or change. This is good for you.
I have, and I have also experienced a lot of bullshit.
Basically, what you are saying is, we can expect an announcement later today, or maybe tomorrow....The announcement potentially could read like this:
'We have decided to make this a forum that will be full of knowledge and 'quality posts'. To this end, we have decided that we are no longer a 'free speech' forum, we want to go in a different direction'.
So what's stopping arnox from arbitrarily deciding to 'change course'? and then folks like me who primarily advocate extreme free speech, well, we are welcome to go somewhere else I guess.
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I don't want to speak for Arnox, but from what I've seen from him over the past 5 years, he has a lot of drive and aspiration. As much as a community wants an admin to be god-like, he's admitted that we are all learning this together. One of the things I like about him is that he is fluid. Yes, he has a vision for how he would like things to be, but he is taking careful consideration to what you guys are saying. You may not be able to see his passion, but it is there. When things were going south for the other sites, he said that he looked high and low for an appropriate substitute, but as you all have also seen, there isn't one. Not for how we think and how we express ourselves.
I'm not sure what you're wanting at the moment, but I guarantee you a snap decision is not it.
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I guarantee you a snap decision is not it.
:facepalm:
christ fucking almighty.
we just want the guy to be consistent and to administer with a bit of professionalism. we want him to instruct his moderators properly, we want at least one forum for 'free speech', and we want him to leave his snide remarks and personal prejudices out of his overly 'hands-on' administration. Arnox making a 'decision', 'snap' or not, is a foreboding sign for this place.
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If it is spam, it is policy to remove those posts. Otherwise, who are we to decide what content should or should not remain on the site? Blatant derailers will be infracted and subsequently banned for offenses, but the posts will remain unless it is spam.
quoted, to avoid future revisionism
Not for how we think and how we express ourselves
people have been banned for posting threads in hb, I am sure you all remember some of blings posts.... and I will just leave you with an e.e. cummings poem to illustrate how fucked the moderation here is:
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I don't want to speak for Arnox, but from what I've seen from him over the past 5 years, he has a lot of drive and aspiration. As much as a community wants an admin to be god-like, he's admitted that we are all learning this together. One of the things I like about him is that he is fluid. Yes, he has a vision for how he would like things to be, but he is taking careful consideration to what you guys are saying. You may not be able to see his passion, but it is there. When things were going south for the other sites, he said that he looked high and low for an appropriate substitute, but as you all have also seen, there isn't one. Not for how we think and how we express ourselves.
I'm not sure what you're wanting at the moment, but I guarantee you a snap decision is not it.
You're officially off your rocker and you clearly were either willfully ignorant or not there when &T2 went down AND how the user base reacted on .net idio fluid is probably the absolute worst description of what Arnox is capable of being and you clearly are not checked in enough to see that
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You're officially off your rocker and you clearly were either willfully ignorant or not there when &T2 went down AND how the user base reacted on .net idio fluid is probably the absolute worst description of what Arnox is capable of being and you clearly are not checked in enough to see that
Don't be so dismissive. I very well could be off my rocker, but hopefully I don't let that influence my judge of character.
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You're officially off your rocker and you clearly were either willfully ignorant or not there when &T2 went down AND how the user base reacted on .net idio fluid is probably the absolute worst description of what Arnox is capable of being and you clearly are not checked in enough to see that
Don't be so dismissive. I very well could be off my rocker, but hopefully I don't let that influence my judge of character.
Dismissive there you go that's a much better word for describing Arnox this is not the first or second or even third time he has taken to ignoring what people have been saying to him Idio look at all the people here that stayed from &T2 can you honestly tell me that the fact that Arnox was the complete opposite of fluid ISN'T the reason so many really good posters left. Also you had not been part of the many IRC or Shoutbox conversations that went on very shortly after you yourself stepped down from being an admin the first time here
also no offence your judge of character sucks especially when it comes to the admins you support as evidenced by Totse2 shutting down
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Dismissive there you go that's a much better word for describing Arnox this is not the first or second or even third time he has taken to ignoring what people have been saying to him Idio look at all the people here that stayed from &T2 can you honestly tell me that the fact that Arnox was the complete opposite of fluid ISN'T the reason so many really good posters left. Also you had not been part of the many IRC or Shoutbox conversations that went on very shortly after you yourself stepped down from being an admin the first time here
also no offence your judge of character sucks especially when it comes to the admins you support as evidenced by Totse2 shutting down
None taken. You are right about the IRC and Shoutbox conversations. I never really got into that.
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You see, if someone's already seen and responded to a derailing, the damage is already done. Removing posts en masse that were responding to the derailing isn't going to help the issue either. The best that can be done as a mod is to infract the person who started it all and move on. Also, it's not that hard at all to bring a conversation back on topic anyway. In fact, it is more preferable to naturally bring it back on course than to jarringly start removing a bunch of posts.
Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.
Way to completely ignore all the points myself and a few others have made how "leaving the mess" behind does nothing to further incite productive conversation and inevitably chases away potential users. Quit coming into this conversation to do nothing more than justify/defend your BLATANT PAST MISTAKES, and actually put some thought into the bigger picture here.
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST FUCKING SAY ABOUT ME, YOU LITTLE BITCH? I’LL HAVE YOU KNOW I GRADUATED TOP OF MY CLASS IN THE NAVY SEALS, AND I’VE BEEN INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS SECRET RAIDS ON AL-QUAEDA, AND I HAVE OVER 300 CONFIRMED KILLS. I AM TRAINED IN GORILLA WARFARE AND I’M THE TOP SNIPER IN THE ENTIRE US ARMED FORCES. YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT JUST ANOTHER TARGET. I WILL WIPE YOU THE FUCK OUT WITH PRECISION THE LIKES OF WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE ON THIS EARTH, MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SAYING THAT SHIT TO ME OVER THE INTERNET? THINK AGAIN, FUCKER. AS WE SPEAK I AM CONTACTING MY SECRET NETWORK OF SPIES ACROSS THE USA AND YOUR IP IS BEING TRACED RIGHT NOW SO YOU BETTER PREPARE FOR THE STORM, MAGGOT. THE STORM THAT WIPES OUT THE PATHETIC LITTLE THING YOU CALL YOUR LIFE. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KID. I CAN BE ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, AND I CAN KILL YOU IN OVER SEVEN HUNDRED WAYS, AND THAT’S JUST WITH MY BARE HANDS. NOT ONLY AM I EXTENSIVELY TRAINED IN UNARMED COMBAT, BUT I HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE ARSENAL OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS AND I WILL USE IT TO ITS FULL EXTENT TO WIPE YOUR MISERABLE ASS OFF THE FACE OF THE CONTINENT, YOU LITTLE SHIT. IF ONLY YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT UNHOLY RETRIBUTION YOUR LITTLE “CLEVER” COMMENT WAS ABOUT TO BRING DOWN UPON YOU, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE HELD YOUR FUCKING TONGUE. BUT YOU COULDN’T, YOU DIDN’T, AND NOW YOU’RE PAYING THE PRICE, YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. I WILL SHIT FURY ALL OVER YOU AND YOU WILL DROWN IN IT. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD, KIDDO.
Hey Idio look how sincere he is about answering questions and being professional
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"we really want to work with you guys, and we value your input, so bear with us while we decide the future of this community behind the scenes....we will let you know what we decide"
Great point. No transparency. They could have had the discussion right on the forum in-thread and everyone could have contributed their opinions on their comments. Zoklet did the same thing. The most important conversations were always performed in secret. But look what that got them in the end, eh? An empty forum. They clung to their secrecy, but they lost everything else in the process.
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When things were going south for the other sites, he said that he looked high and low for an appropriate substitute, but as you all have also seen, there isn't one. Not for how we think and how we express ourselves.
Arnox takes a dim view of people's character when they flame others, regardless of their justification, in B&M, the flaming forum. He said one of the factors in him not modding Proots was that he saw "him get flippant a few times". (http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2672.150) Flippant! Oh, the horror! The irony is that as an Admin has given flippant responses (http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3529.100) to serious posts in mature forums, presumably because they irritate him. The userbase is not blind to this inconsistency. Instead he mods one of the most obsequious and nauseating characters here and tells users to go fuck themselves when they object, listing her adherence to 'Totse ideals' as one of the factors in him modding her.
Neither he nor she were ever on Totse.
He has decorated the place to look vaguely like Totse. But the idea he knows what ex-Totse users consider appropriate expression either for themselves or staff, or has learnt much from what little he does know about this community's history, is easily refuted.
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I had over 12,000 posts on totse :P
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When things were going south for the other sites, he said that he looked high and low for an appropriate substitute, but as you all have also seen, there isn't one. Not for how we think and how we express ourselves.
Arnox takes a dim view of people's character when they flame others, regardless of their justification, in B&M, the flaming forum. He said one of the factors in him not modding Proots was that he saw "him get flippant a few times". (http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=2672.150) Flippant! Oh, the horror! The irony is that as an Admin has given flippant responses (http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=3529.100) to serious posts in mature forums, presumably because they irritate him. The userbase is not blind to this inconsistency. Instead he mods one of the most obsequious and nauseating characters here and tells users to go fuck themselves when they object, listing her adherence to 'Totse ideals' as one of the factors in him modding her.
Neither he nor she were ever on Totse.
He has decorated the place to look vaguely like Totse. But the idea he knows what ex-Totse users consider appropriate expression either for themselves or staff, or has learnt much from what little he does know about this community's history, is easily refuted.
It's not that we are blind, we just don't care. No-one cares, except for maybe like a handful of you retard clowns. I have better things in life than arguing for some guy to be mod of some backwater forum. Stop being a fucking idiot and grow up. This isn't your forum. If you are going to walk into someone else's restaurant and start ordering things that aren't on the menu, you're not going to get shit.
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I had over 12,000 posts on totse :P
Which username?
It's not that we are blind, we just don't care. No-one cares, except for maybe like a handful of you retard clowns. I have better things in life than arguing for some guy to be mod of some backwater forum. Stop being a fucking idiot and grow up. This isn't your forum.
Which is why you didn't come into B&M, open the "Re: Sanctuary faggotry at large thread", respond to a "retard clown" post that wasn't directed at you, then proclaim how much you don't care about not caring.
If you are going to walk into someone else's restaurant and start ordering things that aren't on the menu, you're not going to get shit.
> Open Italian restaurant.
> Invite everyone in.
> Start serving Chinese food.
> Tell anyone who points out the discrepancy to fuck off.
> Blame the customers for all your problems.
> Wonder were it all went wrong when you've no customers left.
> Blame the customers for all your problems.
> Close restaurant.
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Who said this was Italian? You assumed it was Italian. This isn't Totse. Nor is it Zoklet. It's whatever Arnox wants it to be.
Y'all sound more entitled than a 16 y/o girl living in Beverly Hills.
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Who said this was Italian? You assumed it was Italian. This isn't Totse. Nor is it Zoklet. It's whatever Arnox wants it to be.
Y'all sound more entitled than a 16 y/o girl living in Beverly Hills.
If it wasn't for us arnox would still be sitting at a near-empty website talking to the same three users day after day. So you can take your 'you mad, bro?' bullshit, roll it up into a cylinder, and vigorously fuck yourself with it.
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Who said this was Italian? You assumed it was Italian. This isn't Totse. Nor is it Zoklet. It's whatever Arnox wants it to be.
Y'all sound more entitled than a 16 y/o girl living in Beverly Hills.
He lifted every single forum in here from Totse you mouth-breathing fool, then invited a load of ex-Totse users in. 'Duh-uh, duh-uh, hyuck, hyuck, but this isn't Totse and I'm in charge, so here's how it's going to work...!' That was Zok's gameplan. To the letter.
Stupid ideas don't get better with age.
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I had over 12,000 posts on totse :P
Which username?
Well?
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who gives a fuck... the faggots do!!!
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I had over 12,000 posts on totse :P
Under what account?
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I had over 12,000 posts on totse :P
What was your screen name?
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What was your screen name?
yeah, what was it? must have been someone well-known to everyone, with that many posts.....
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Had more than one account, and I'm still not telling you guys!
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Had more than one account, and I'm still not telling you guys!
why not, you are always typing wistfully of totse days..and like I typed, thats a lot of posts, so you must have been 'someone' there....
what reason do you have for 'not telling us'?
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why not, you are always typing wistfully of totse days..and like I typed, thats a lot of posts, so you must have been 'someone' there....
what reason do you have for 'not telling us'?
Privacy.
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A fresh start. A new lease on life.
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Oh zek
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Privacy.
as forthcoming as you are about things that most people would keep to themselves, you choose this one thing to be 'private' about.
there comes a point in time where bits of circumstantial evidence clump together like blood clots and start to become a problem, you get what I am saying?
I am starting to become :suspect:, not because I give a fuck if you are zek or not, but because I would have to be a complete moron not to see that something is off here.
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as forthcoming as you are about things that most people would keep to themselves, you choose this one thing to be 'private' about.
there comes a point in time where bits of circumstantial evidence clump together like blood clots and start to become a problem, you get what I am saying?
I am starting to become :suspect:, not because I give a fuck if you are zek or not, but because I would have to be a complete moron not to see that something is off here.
I've been worse things than Zek in my life. Maybe if I want to feel comfortable sharing the worst of me, those hidden secrets and desires we don't dare say aloud, it helps to maintain a semblance of anonymity.
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I've been worse things than Zek in my life. Maybe if I want to feel comfortable sharing the worst of me, those hidden secrets and desires we don't dare say aloud, it helps to maintain a semblance of anonymity.
now who sounds like a politician
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Don't worry. I'm one of the good ones.
*flashes bright white teeth*
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Whether or not we can come to the conclusion that you are or are not zek, we at least have established that you disavow any connection with an apparently vast collection of posts at a place that you type so fondly in remembrance of...at the minimum, since you left behind an entire identity to 'start fresh', you are just as bad as people who start anonymous 'alts', not to mention that most who do such activities typically do so to leave behind 'bad baggage' either because of bannings or rampant mockery of their former persona...
I mean, I changed names but everyone knows who I was, I freely admit it, because I am honest about every word I type and who I am
Has anyone ever started an 'alt' because 'privacy'?
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Has anyone ever started an 'alt' because 'privacy'?
Those who have had really creepy experiences with crazy members in the past, probably. I mean one would imagine.
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Those who have had really creepy experiences with crazy members in the past, probably. I mean one would imagine.
you are really stretching here....
I don't give a fuck who you are, but if you are going to be all coy about shit, that is your prerogative. I will just note that you are a person who has something to hide.
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I've been worse things than Zek in my life.
Errr.. so you have been Zek in your life. ;)
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For the life of me, I can't believe there is even a shadow of a doubt for some of you it IS Zek, especially some of you folks that are very intelligent about life and have great street smarts. I did this earlier before, but going to go over it one more time....all the similarities Equanimity has with Zek...
-Within days of coming over here Equanimity was prattling on about the "need"(?) for more smilies and emoticons.
-Avatar is a similar prissy imagery, DESPERATELY trying to appear as feminine.
-Changing names on a whim, then changing it back, as the mood suits him.
-Constantly droning about about peace, love, politeness, etc.
-Playing coy, playing stupid....just like on this thread and in most other threads when being put to task for something.
-Derailing threads with the "anti-violence" theme....as evidenced by the W&C thread that was used in a past example of his trolling idiocy.
That is Zek to an absolute "T".....its his M.O. through and through. If it isn't Zek, then who the hell else could it be? Especially someone that claims to have posted with such regularity and 10K+ posts? Go ahead, throw Zek out of the discussion for just a minute or two....I'd like to hear someone else's idea of exactly WHO this person could have been on Totse/Zoklet, if it's not really Zek?
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I don't really care who he is. I'm just having fun with him. But I'd have to say that even though the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, it's not yet truly absolute. I was actually kinda hoping for some above-and-beyond honesty and a confession.
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It's a conspiracy.
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I was actually kinda hoping for some above-and-beyond honesty and a confession.
You are ALWAYS the optimist, even when dealing with toxic derelicts. ;D
This is Zek here....honesty and sincerity is NOT in his DNA. Never was, never will be....no matter how much he wants to mutilate his body, even that part of his chemistry can't be altered by any injection...figuratively or medically.
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It's a conspiracy.
You need to come clean, son, right fucking now. And you're also making it really tough for Arnox by not coming clean. Do it. Reveal your true identity now and let's all move on from this. I'm saying this for your own good, so you better take my wise advice before you dig yourself so deep there's no way out.
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:roll:
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:roll:
Are you or are you not HandofZek? Confession is good for the soul, and you also need to take responsibility.
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I had over 12,000 posts on totse :P
Privacy.
You spelled deception wrong.
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i cant believe anyone here really cares that much
even when hazza tried to use a fake name...or new name, whichever...i could tell within 3 or 4 posts it was him...but it never was such an issue that i obsessed over it, and im OCD to an extreme
street crap was the same way
why does anyone care who anyone was?
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Zek!! Calling Zek!! Will the real Zek please step forward??
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Realistically why would anyone ADMIT to being zek. Not even zek wants to be zek.
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I have an old chicken coop in the back we could hold Arnox in until he 'fesses up. Just a suggestion.
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I have an old chicken coop in the back we could hold Arnox in until he 'fesses up. Just a suggestion.
Still full of chickens...?
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I have an old chicken coop in the back we could hold Arnox in until he 'fesses up. Just a suggestion.
Still full of chickens...?
I set them all free years ago.