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Title: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 12:36:43 am
What do you all think?

Zok dealt with at least one subpena, federal agents, and reporters, along with all the other shit.  A recent user here has me a bit  curious if he can handle it as well.

What do you think?

Edit: subpoena*
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 12:38:38 am
Also, just had two beers on tap, some beer I've never had before, and I'm buzzzzzzeeeeeedddd.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: ngalo1983 on October 21, 2014, 12:39:32 am
If he can't handle it then we all move on to another home.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: joe camel on October 21, 2014, 12:57:15 am
If he can't handle it then we all move on to another home.

How many times must we do this?

Also, subpoena
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 01:00:51 am
If he can't handle it then we all move on to another home.

How many times must we do this?

Also, subpoena

I actually search and found the spelling for that word on the Web.  Good damn it.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Infinityshock on October 21, 2014, 02:15:25 am
Absolutely not
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 02:30:04 am
What do you all think?

Zok dealt with at least one subpena, federal agents, and reporters, along with all the other shit.  A recent user here has me a bit  curious if he can handle it as well.

What do you think?

"As well as Zok"? I'd say that is a safe bet, but then again you could take a feral child raised most of his life by wolves and they would probably handle social or adult situations as well as or even better than Zok. So the bar ain't really raised here making that comparision.

A month ago I would have said Arnox could handle it for a while, but nowadays I really doubt it. Doing interviews with reporters would probably give him such an ego stroke he couldn't sleep for a week....but as naive as he is showing himself to be, any law enforcement that would come a knocking he'd probably not even understand his rights and just bend over eagerly while letting them have at it.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Zanick on October 21, 2014, 03:08:34 am
What do you all think?

Zok dealt with at least one subpena, federal agents, and reporters, along with all the other shit.  A recent user here has me a bit  curious if he can handle it as well.

What do you think?

"As well as Zok"? I'd say that is a safe bet, but then again you could take a feral child raised most of his life by wolves and they would probably handle social or adult situations as well as or even better than Zok. So the bar ain't really raised here making that comparision.

A month ago I would have said Arnox could handle it for a while, but nowadays I really doubt it. Doing interviews with reporters would probably give him such an ego stroke he couldn't sleep for a week....but as naive as he is showing himself to be, any law enforcement that would come a knocking he'd probably not even understand his rights and just bend over eagerly while letting them have at it.

Do you even leave your house?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: WAN on October 21, 2014, 03:09:38 am
What do you all think?

Zok dealt with at least one subpena, federal agents, and reporters, along with all the other shit.  A recent user here has me a bit  curious if he can handle it as well.

What do you think?

"As well as Zok"? I'd say that is a safe bet, but then again you could take a feral child raised most of his life by wolves and they would probably handle social or adult situations as well as or even better than Zok. So the bar ain't really raised here making that comparision.

A month ago I would have said Arnox could handle it for a while, but nowadays I really doubt it. Doing interviews with reporters would probably give him such an ego stroke he couldn't sleep for a week....but as naive as he is showing himself to be, any law enforcement that would come a knocking he'd probably not even understand his rights and just bend over eagerly while letting them have at it.

Do you even leave your house?

Maybe you should focus on his argument instead of making personal attacks on him (such as insinuating that he has no life/doesn't go out at all).
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Zanick on October 21, 2014, 03:14:49 am
What do you all think?

Zok dealt with at least one subpena, federal agents, and reporters, along with all the other shit.  A recent user here has me a bit  curious if he can handle it as well.

What do you think?

"As well as Zok"? I'd say that is a safe bet, but then again you could take a feral child raised most of his life by wolves and they would probably handle social or adult situations as well as or even better than Zok. So the bar ain't really raised here making that comparision.

A month ago I would have said Arnox could handle it for a while, but nowadays I really doubt it. Doing interviews with reporters would probably give him such an ego stroke he couldn't sleep for a week....but as naive as he is showing himself to be, any law enforcement that would come a knocking he'd probably not even understand his rights and just bend over eagerly while letting them have at it.

Do you even leave your house?

Maybe you should focus on his argument instead of making personal attacks on him (such as insinuating that he has no life/doesn't go out at all).

He doesn't. And it's a stupid one. He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 03:15:55 am
I hope Arnox at least has a prepaid attorney and is ready for possible legal issues.  I hope this site doesn't bring that kind of trouble his way, but it did to Zok, so I would assume that it's a good possibility that it'll happen to Arnox.

Arnox does seem a bit naïve though.  I hope he would at least exercise his 5th amendment.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Infinityshock on October 21, 2014, 03:18:21 am
whats funny is that people actually think anything on this site is worth the feebies wasting their time over

the fact is...the only things here are amateurs, wannabes, and prepubescent juvenile delinquents with inadequate adult supervision.

Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 03:19:30 am
He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.

In the event of a subpoena, I would expect him to hand it over, I don't think he would have a choice.  But what if the Federal Bureau of Investigation showed up at his door, and simply asked for a list of IP addresses?  Would Arnox just hand it over?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 03:21:45 am
the fact is...the only things here are amateurs, wannabes, and prepubescent juvenile delinquents with inadequate adult supervision.

Speak for yourself kid.  There is a user here that proclaimed a hack on a website in advance, posted real PI, and then linked us to a real news article of the website hacked.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: WAN on October 21, 2014, 03:23:39 am
the fact is...the only things here are amateurs, wannabes, and prepubescent juvenile delinquents with inadequate adult supervision.

Speak for yourself kid.  There is a user here that proclaimed a hack on a website in advance, posted real PI, and then linked us to a real news article of the website hacked.

Besides, if the internets weren't serious business, there wouldn't be any internet police and the feds wouldn't be posting on and infiltrating online communities.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: MrHigh on October 21, 2014, 03:24:38 am
lol @ thread
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 03:33:26 am


He doesn't. And it's a stupid one. He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.

Speak for yourself, kidiot. I realize its hard for some shadow slurking simpleton like yourself to believe people actually possess a backbone in this world....but not everyone genuflects any time law enforcement comes sniffing around. You are probably the type of sap that if you were pulled over for a simple traffic stop, would openly tell him you are carrying weed thinking you would avoid time in the bighouse.

There's all kinds of ways to delay/supress a subpoena, especially dealing with forking over data from a computer. With coupon guy were the feds at his door with a warrant? Or did the little coward get a piece of paper in the mail and thusly shit himself? Sorry baby boy, but real men don't shudder over papers shuffling back and forth.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: ngalo1983 on October 21, 2014, 03:40:38 am
I got shot at. The guy unloaded everything. I got hit on my leg and hip. I seen his face and car but I told the police I didn't see nothing. That's nothing to brag about my point is not everyone is a snitch. I rather shoot those guys who shot me in the face then tell the cops who shot me. 3 weeks later that fag in the blue mustang got shot 4 times but the adrinaline (Maybe misspelled) kept him driving til he made it til the gas station where he died. I didn't have nothing to do with it but karma is a bitch. I partied that day he died in celebration.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: WAN on October 21, 2014, 03:41:44 am


He doesn't. And it's a stupid one. He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.

Speak for yourself, kidiot. I realize its hard for some shadow slurking simpleton like yourself to believe people actually possess a backbone in this world....but not everyone genuflects any time law enforcement comes sniffing around. You are probably the type of sap that if you were pulled over for a simple traffic stop, would openly tell him you are carrying weed thinking you would avoid time in the bighouse.

There's all kinds of ways to delay/supress a subpoena, especially dealing with forking over data from a computer. With coupon guy were the feds at his door with a warrant? Or did the little coward get a piece of paper in the mail and thusly shit himself? Sorry baby boy, but real men don't shudder over papers shuffling back and forth.

Guru can you share with us your experience and tell us what one can do to delay/suppress a subpoena?  I realize that we live in different countries (you in US and me in Canada) however I believe the principle should be the same.

Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Zanick on October 21, 2014, 03:45:56 am


He doesn't. And it's a stupid one. He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.

Speak for yourself, kidiot. I realize its hard for some shadow slurking simpleton like yourself to believe people actually possess a backbone in this world....but not everyone genuflects any time law enforcement comes sniffing around. You are probably the type of sap that if you were pulled over for a simple traffic stop, would openly tell him you are carrying weed thinking you would avoid time in the bighouse.

There's all kinds of ways to delay/supress a subpoena, especially dealing with forking over data from a computer. With coupon guy were the feds at his door with a warrant? Or did the little coward get a piece of paper in the mail and thusly shit himself? Sorry baby boy, but real men don't shudder over papers shuffling back and forth.

You only talk big. If your ass was on the line because some teenager on your website broke the law you'd bend over and beg the feds to extend their authority right into your gaping BBS-hole.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on October 21, 2014, 03:52:22 am
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: joe camel on October 21, 2014, 03:59:26 am
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.

This. Like the user.mentioned earlier in the news article, if it was really him, do you really think he would post it here?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Arnox on October 21, 2014, 04:09:34 am
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.

^

Furthermore.

1. We are nothing but a blip on the radar right now. Perhaps not even that. That gives us security.

2. What are they going to incriminate me for? Someone on the website confessed to a crime on here? I don't have their IP address or even their real email probably. Evil information on here? This site is hosted in the Netherlands and as such, only has to comply with their laws and government. If anyone in the US has a problem with the content, they will have to take it up with them. Could they really get it if they wanted to? Sure. But it would probably be a big hassle just to do that to say the least. There's a reason I hosted this site overseas instead of in good ol' 'murica.

3. And finally, being the obscure good little Mormon boy that I am, I have nothing on my records and will continue to have nothing on my records since I actually, you know, like to stay within the law.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Rook on October 21, 2014, 04:11:42 am
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.

(This response was written by someone who is "not" me) 8)

 I was thinking this exactly before I ever got to it. Really, common sense can go a long way.. whereas, the lack thereof will most certainly encourage your demise.. at your own hand no less. C-Y-A.. Cover your ass.. unfortunately, you are held accountable for everything you say or write.. and once it's out there, well.. its out there. I personally think Arnox would handle a situation like that just fine, then again, even though I get and fully respect the whole "not snitching" concept.. It's almost like betraying Karma her due, depending on how fucking retarded the offense was or how easily it could have been avoided. In real life situations, you can take matter into your own hands.. if someone fucks up on here and brings it down on someone who otherwise was careful.. where is our karma? How are we supposed me make sure to amend our fellow idiots wrong?

 Always gotta play a bit of devils advocate.. it'd be boring otherwise. As a community, if that's what we want to be, we have to more/less stick together and be ready to cover possibly an accidental slip up.. could be a newb, could be a veteran contributor.. in such an instance, would it not be wise if the supporting userbase tried to help.. mask the offender by unifying jointly with some ratinal excuse.. the whole board was taken over and multiple accounts used by an outside party to try and frame and take down the board? Or.. unify jointly to defend the fellow offender by persisting that all discussion has and will always be hypothetical in nature.. I mean, I dont know how well that would actually stand in a court type scenario.. Honestly I'm a little tired, but there may be something worth taking away from this post.. Someone better versed in the law would have a better grasp on whatever it is SWIM is trying to imply.. Heh.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 04:12:49 am
God man.  God bless.  Doing it for Joseph Smith.  Riding on a bicycle with a name-tag.  Three bibles.  Good man.   :tup:
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: BallsDeep69 on October 21, 2014, 04:15:04 am
Arnox will know how to handle things, but you all should post here assuming that he could turn over anything at any time.  It's simple; please do not incriminate yourselves and there will be no problems.

^

Furthermore.

1. We are nothing but a blip on the radar right now. Perhaps not even that. That gives us security.

2. What are they going to incriminate me for? Someone on the website confessed to a crime on here? I don't have their IP address or even their real email probably. Evil information on here? This site is hosted in the Netherlands and as such, only has to comply with their laws and government. If anyone in the US has a problem with the content, they will have to take it up with them. Could they really get it if they wanted to? Sure. But it would probably be a big hassle just to do that to say the least. There's a reason I hosted this site overseas instead of in good ol' 'murica.

3. And finally, being the obscure good little Mormon boy that I am, I have nothing on my records and will continue to have nothing on my records since I actually, you know, like to stay within the law.
*holds hand up to Arnox for high five*
Fuck yes, way to keep yourself secure!
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 04:16:13 am


Guru can you share with us your experience and tell us what one can do to delay/suppress a subpoena?  I realize that we live in different countries (you in US and me in Canada) however I believe the principle should be the same.

Just lie and deny for the most part, and always stand your ground....never waiver or go back on anything you've said. Contact whoever subpoena'd you and if its a court ordered appearance, explain the hardship that particular date would cause you. It helps having friends across the country, as you can use other phone numbers or addresses to where you'll be on such and such a date. Maybe you are caring for an infirmed relative halfway across the country, or consulting for whatever business....there is zero proof you are at the physical address right now. Especially in an era of cell phones.

If its physical evidence..."nope, sorry.....never collected or retained any of those documents'. Or..."gosh golly, I just threw all that out 18 months ago, I can give you the address of the local landfill". If you suspect they will get a warrant to search whatever premises, its not hard to stage a break-in and document all of your "losses"...."OMG! they stole my TV, my PS3 AND my laptop!".

Sure you may piss off a judge and he may find you in contempt depending on the circumstances, it all depends what kind of a hardass you want to be and what you are willing to put on the line. Contrary to what spindly little chumps like Zanick believe, some people do have fundamental principles in this world...and aren't willing to snitch or sell people out at the drop of a hat.

It really does come down to demeanor and attitude dealing with lawyers and judges. They are used to throwing their weight around and getting their way, or at the very least tripping people up during the deposition process. If you are a good liar or a stubborn son of a bitch that will never crack, many times their bullying/tricky tactics will fail. I had one lawyer tell me after a deposition..."that might have been the greatest deposition I ever witnessed, you are an absolute statue, and as hard as that lawyer tried manipulating you, you didn't give him so much as a crack or an inkling to work with."

Basically, every situation is different. If you have other witnesses that can testify...."he has such and such documents in that locked filing cabinet"...then sure your situation might be a lot trickier to get out of. But that is why you exercise diligence, caution, and discretion BEFORE any subpoenas are coming your way....that way its a lot easier making your claims without any contrary evidence or witness to something different.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 04:18:08 am
I don't have their IP address or even their real email probably.

Are you sure?

I'm no expert, but I have noticed that when I am on this site, the HTTP request shows my IP address and other IP addresses that I have had, being sent to the server as part of the request.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: BallsDeep69 on October 21, 2014, 04:18:26 am
He would do the same thing Arnox would do, which is what Zok did: fork over the subpoena material. And I don't think we'll get news coverage as a community.

In the event of a subpoena, I would expect him to hand it over, I don't think he would have a choice.  But what if the Federal Bureau of Investigation showed up at his door, and simply asked for a list of IP addresses?  Would Arnox just hand it over?
Probably not without-
Ahh fuck it, I don't even understand why this thread is here. If something bad heads our way then (hopefully) Arnox'll tell us and we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
-Balls
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 04:20:52 am
Just checked on that post I made...

Code: [Select]
Content-Disposition: form-data; name="bb2_screener_"
^This has my IP being sent as part of the request.  It contains three other IP addresses as well(those are probably other IP addresses I've had recently), directly below it(I won't post that part).
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Arnox on October 21, 2014, 04:28:24 am
I'm no expert, but I have noticed that when I am on this site, the HTTP request shows my IP address and other IP addresses that I have had, being sent to the server as part of the request.

Well, your real IP is getting sent in the request but all such requests have to go through Cloudflare servers, and when they come out of them and come to us, they come back with IP's of different cloudflare server IP's instead. Cloudflare does put the real IP in the header under X-Forwarded-For and also under Cloudflare-IP but the host won't set it to where it will read the IP from those two instead of how it currently is until we upgrade which will cost $275 per year extra to do.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on October 21, 2014, 04:32:06 am
Well, your real IP is getting sent in the request but all such requests have to go through Cloudflare servers, and when they come out of them and come to us, they come back with IP's of different cloudflare server IP's instead. Cloudflare does put the real IP in the header under X-Forwarded-For and also under Cloudflare-IP but the host won't set it to where it will read the IP from those two instead of how it currently is until we upgrade which will cost $275 per year extra to do.

Hmm, so it is.  I just checked my own and it's not correct.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 04:32:58 am
2. I don't have their IP address or even their real email probably.

Yes but CloudFlare, a large US company, does.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Arnox on October 21, 2014, 04:46:51 am
Yes but CloudFlare, a large US company, does.

True, but there's nothing I can do about that. If I took it off, then all the heat would just be directed back at me. Yes, if the gov really comes to my door with a warrant, I will give them the IP's. It'd be incredibly stupid not to.

Moral of the story, don't admit to any crimes here. Period.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Zanick on October 21, 2014, 04:51:15 am
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 04:54:56 am
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

We are individually responsible.  But it's never good to had the Admin just hand over information just people they are asked.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 04:55:53 am
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

I never said anyone was owed any protection, instead there are ways to not make it easy for them, make their jobs more difficult, and depending on the circumstances go tell them to go fuck themselves completely.

As usual Zanick, you are just spewing fanciful bullshit that nobody ever said....because you never have anything substantial or topical to add to these big boy conversations. Notice how your ONLY "contribution"(?) to this thread has been trolling me?

Herp. Derp. AND Slobber!

Go away PI abuser, you really have absolutely no worth in this discussion (or anywhere else actually)
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 04:58:41 am
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

It's because he's an admitted pedophile and he doesn't want a visit from the good Mr. Hansen
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 05:00:52 am


It's because he's an admitted pedophile and he doesn't want a visit from the good Mr. Hansen

And of course Lanny's mind can never stop focusing on kid fucking.  :roll:
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Zanick on October 21, 2014, 05:03:52 am
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

I never said anyone was owed any protection, instead there are ways to not make it easy for them, make their jobs more difficult, and depending on the circumstances go tell them to go fuck themselves completely.

As usual Zanick, you are just spewing fanciful bullshit that nobody ever said....because you never have anything substantial or topical to add to these big boy conversations. Notice how your ONLY "contribution"(?) to this thread has been trolling me?

Herp. Derp. AND Slobber!

Go away PI abuser, you really have absolutely no worth in this discussion (or anywhere else actually)

Dodging a federal subpoena to keep IP addresses hidden isn't protection? You're an idiot. You've done no such thing. I doubt you've ever been served one. You're full of shit.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Arnox on October 21, 2014, 05:22:18 am
I'm not sure why DaGuru thinks each user is owed protection at the Admin's expense when they post incriminating content on a public website. What the hell does he think the PM system in for?

Just FYI, the PM system isn't private at all as such messages are stored in the database completely unencrypted.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 05:27:57 am
Just FYI, the PM system isn't private at all as such messages are stored in the database completely unencrypted.

Maybe that should be changed?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 06:20:20 am
Maybe that should be changed?

What could you even do about it though? You have to be able to encrypt/decrypt messages on demand (so people can send/receive them) so you have to store the key on the server... right next to the messages it's encrypting. No gains there. You could generate keypairs from passwords and store the public half for each user but you're still receiving plaintext messages, not to mention you have the password (and therefore the private key) at login time. And that's not a terribly simple system to implement either. Better to just treat the PM system as insecure beyond setting up a real channel. You (as a user) can exchange PGP keys if you want, that's probably the easiest thing to do if you care about keeping PMs private.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: ngalo1983 on October 21, 2014, 06:23:14 am
Yes but CloudFlare, a large US company, does.

True, but there's nothing I can do about that. If I took it off, then all the heat would just be directed back at me. Yes, if the gov really comes to my door with a warrant, I will give them the IP's. It'd be incredibly stupid not to.

Moral of the story, don't admit to any crimes here. Period.

I can respect that. At least you let everyone know ahead of time.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Tiffany on October 21, 2014, 06:42:16 am
Arnox would break down and cry like a little bitch, probably piss and shit himself simultaneously if the FBI or even state cops showed up at his door asking for IP logs.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 21, 2014, 06:58:47 am
Arnox would break down and cry like a little bitch, probably piss and shit himself simultaneously if the FBI or even state cops showed up at his door asking for IP logs.

Weren't you banned for child porn or something?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Tiffany on October 21, 2014, 07:06:45 am
I was banned for posting panthrax's PI.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpena, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: oppenheimmer on October 21, 2014, 09:00:51 am
If he can't handle it then we all move on to another home.

can you not do this now?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 11:42:30 am

Dodging a federal subpoena to keep IP addresses hidden isn't protection? You're an idiot. You've done no such thing. I doubt you've ever been served one. You're full of shit.

*YAWN*

You are right about one thing Zanick, I've never been subpoena'd to provide IP addresses....because I'm completely computer illiterate and don't have the aptitude or patience to manage any webspace.

But all of the rest of your futile flaming is coming from the feeble mind of a self-admitted introvert, that can't step away from hiding under your desk and putting yourself in other people's shoes. Much of the rest of the world isn't intimidated by social interactions, and while you may think people standing up to law enforcement or the courts as some "monumental" act of courage or defiance...it really isn't that big a deal with people that have confidence while mingling with the rest of the world.

Have you even had ONE interaction with law enforcement or the courts in a "negative" sense? I seriously doubt it, because as frightened and awkward as you are just mingling with normal people.....you would absolutely shit yourself if your neck was really on the line, and because you live your life like some helpless shrew you believe that is how everyone's mind works. Sucks to be you...
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Zanick on October 21, 2014, 11:53:35 am

Dodging a federal subpoena to keep IP addresses hidden isn't protection? You're an idiot. You've done no such thing. I doubt you've ever been served one. You're full of shit.

*YAWN*

You are right about one thing Zanick, I've never been subpoena'd to provide IP addresses....because I'm completely computer illiterate and don't have the aptitude or patience to manage any webspace.

But all of the rest of your futile flaming is coming from the feeble mind of a self-admitted introvert, that can't step away from hiding under your desk and putting yourself in other people's shoes. Much of the rest of the world isn't intimidated by social interactions, and while you may think people standing up to law enforcement or the courts as some "monumental" act of courage or defiance...it really isn't that big a deal with people that have confidence while mingling with the rest of the world.

Have you even had ONE interaction with law enforcement or the courts in a "negative" sense? I seriously doubt it, because as frightened and awkward as you are just mingling with normal people.....you would absolutely shit yourself if your neck was really on the line, and because you live your life like some helpless shrew you believe that is how everyone's mind works. Sucks to be you...

You have an insufficient understanding of personality psychology to make any meaningful criticism of introversion. And denying to immediately honor a subpoena is not particularly courageous, but I think you either couldn't do it because you're a coward, or you'd have to because you're so arrogant.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 12:21:43 pm

You have an insufficient understanding of personality psychology to make any meaningful criticism of introversion. And denying to immediately honor a subpoena is not particularly courageous, but I think you either couldn't do it because you're a coward, or you'd have to because you're so arrogant.

Not even so much as a traffic ticket, huh? *giggles*

Well at least you didn't try denying your introversion/discomfort when mingling with the rest of the world.  ;D

And its funny how you just posted an either/or explanation to find SOME scenario to make your flimsy theory fit. Sorry kidiot, you can't have it both ways....kinda hard to be "arrogant" and "cowardly" at the same time. But hey whatever it takes to make your square peg fit into a round whole and validate your mindless fictional fairy tale telling.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Zanick on October 21, 2014, 02:09:37 pm

You have an insufficient understanding of personality psychology to make any meaningful criticism of introversion. And denying to immediately honor a subpoena is not particularly courageous, but I think you either couldn't do it because you're a coward, or you'd have to because you're so arrogant.

Not even so much as a traffic ticket, huh? *giggles*

Well at least you didn't try denying your introversion/discomfort when mingling with the rest of the world.  ;D

And its funny how you just posted an either/or explanation to find SOME scenario to make your flimsy theory fit. Sorry kidiot, you can't have it both ways....kinda hard to be "arrogant" and "cowardly" at the same time. But hey whatever it takes to make your square peg fit into a round whole and validate your mindless fictional fairy tale telling.

I've had traffic tickets before, mostly because I make mistakes like any motorist and because there's no actual crime in my area for cops to deal with. I've had my car searched illegally by police after I deny consent. Shit like that happens every day, somewhere.

Introverts are not bad at socializing, just more thoughtful in going about it. You're a good example of someone who rambles effortlessly without saying much. Am I better at socializing than you? Yes I am.

And arrogance and cowardice aren't mutually exclusive. As an example, you talk a big game about resisting authority, but would almost certainly put your motorized pedo scooter into high gear at the sight of real trouble. You're a blemish on this community and a danger to minors.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 02:21:30 pm
a danger to minors.

I have never seen any evidence of this, and since you advance this spurious narrative along with others of questionable repute, your credibility is destroyed, at least in my eyes.  This is just as bad as the 'equanimity is zek' bullshit. 
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: zok jr. on October 21, 2014, 02:46:01 pm

You have an insufficient understanding of personality psychology to make any meaningful criticism of introversion. And denying to immediately honor a subpoena is not particularly courageous, but I think you either couldn't do it because you're a coward, or you'd have to because you're so arrogant.

Not even so much as a traffic ticket, huh? *giggles*

Well at least you didn't try denying your introversion/discomfort when mingling with the rest of the world.  ;D

And its funny how you just posted an either/or explanation to find SOME scenario to make your flimsy theory fit. Sorry kidiot, you can't have it both ways....kinda hard to be "arrogant" and "cowardly" at the same time. But hey whatever it takes to make your square peg fit into a round whole and validate your mindless fictional fairy tale telling.

I've had traffic tickets before, mostly because I make mistakes like any motorist and because there's no actual crime in my area for cops to deal with. I've had my car searched illegally by police after I deny consent. Shit like that happens every day, somewhere.

Introverts are not bad at socializing, just more thoughtful in going about it. You're a good example of someone who rambles effortlessly without saying much. Am I better at socializing than you? Yes I am.

And arrogance and cowardice aren't mutually exclusive. As an example, you talk a big game about resisting authority, but would almost certainly put your motorized pedo scooter into high gear at the sight of real trouble. You're a blemish on this community and a danger to minors.
you are the only child molester here
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 02:51:41 pm
I have never seen any evidence of this, and since you advance this spurious narrative along with others of questionable repute, your credibility is destroyed, at least in my eyes.  This is just as bad as the 'equanimity is zek' bullshit. 

Go read the thread where DaPedo argues that no only is it A-OK for an adult of any age to have sex with an 8 year old (so long as they've reached physiological sexual maturity) but also that the failure children to impale themselves upon his old man pedo dick is somehow the cause of a national epidemic of "feeblemindedness" (lol).
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 02:59:21 pm
Go read the thread where DaPedo argues that no only is it A-OK for and adult of any age to have sex with an 8 year old (so long as they've reached physiological sexual maturity) but also that the failure children to impale themselves upon his old man pedo dick is somehow the cause of a national epidemic of "feeblemindedness" (lol).

Where is that, must have missed it
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 03:28:05 pm
It was one of the early ones, I think it was "ATTN: Spectral"
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 03:28:31 pm


Where is that, must have missed it

Me too....because I've clearly stated multiple times there is a HUGE difference between an 8 year old and a post-pubescent female that has already began menstruating. It's Lanny and the rest of his ilk that quantify them as being the "same"...which exposes who really are the confused pedos on here.

Post the links to your claims or else its just MORE empty lies and emotional hubris...AS USUAL for Lanny and the nerd herd.

InB4 no link, and Lanny plays with his toys again......
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 03:30:40 pm
It was one of the early ones, I think it was "ATTN: Spectral"

Herp. Derp. AND Slobber!  8)

"I can't really provide any evidence, instead just pound on my keyboard with vague insinuations and outright bullshit just to keep my rants alive. If I say these things long enough, SOMEONE is bound to start buying in, right?"~~~Lanny's tactics when all of his empty rhetoric falls flat.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 03:35:48 pm
DaGuru's damage control mode has kicked into high gear.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 03:37:34 pm
DaGuru's damage control mode has kicked into high gear.

Still responding, but still no link posting. *giggles*
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 03:50:24 pm
I argued with lanny like a week ago, and I made an assertion and then didn't feel like providing a link, and he was all like 'the burden of proof is on you blah blah'...

so lets see that link
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: delerium on October 21, 2014, 03:51:37 pm
If not, I'm sure I can. Or someone else can. There will always be a totse. There will always be a Sanctuary, for as long as I live. That I promise you.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: WAN on October 21, 2014, 03:55:39 pm
If not, I'm sure I can. Or someone else can. There will always be a totse. There will always be a Sanctuary, for as long as I live. That I promise you.
*swoons*
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: RisiR on October 21, 2014, 03:58:57 pm
If not, I'm sure I can. Or someone else can. There will always be a totse. There will always be a Sanctuary, for as long as I live. That I promise you.
And my axe!
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 04:00:04 pm
If not, I'm sure I can. Or someone else can. There will always be a totse. There will always be a Sanctuary, for as long as I live. That I promise you.
And my axe!



worst movies ever
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 04:02:13 pm
I argued with lanny like a week ago, and I made an assertion and then didn't feel like providing a link, and he was all like 'the burden of proof is on you blah blah'...

so lets see that link

You'll never see that link, because it doesn't exist. Its just Lanny's way of lashing out coming up with the worst insult he can think of after all of his empty arguments are exposed for the nonsensical tripe that it is. He's got the mind of a spastic and emotionally stunted child, and there's a good probability he himself was molested at an early age which is why his thoughts/insults constantly revolve around it. The sad thing is, like the experts say....most molesters were molested themselves, so there is a really good chance he is constantly fighting his own demons/desires all the while projecting his own sins on everyone else that makes him look like such an utter fool.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 04:02:49 pm
I argued with lanny like a week ago, and I made an assertion and then didn't feel like providing a link, and he was all like 'the burden of proof is on you blah blah'...

so lets see that link

Sigh...



Sounds like something a pedo would say to justify their kiddy diddlin.

Besides, we already know you're a try-to-be creeper because of the way you followed bumble around Zoklet trying to convince her to be your sex slave. So much cringe was had from those posts.

ELL OH FUCKIN ELL @ this guy of all people trying to lecture me on sexuality and human relationships. The guy that has so many mommy/parenting figures bouncing in and out of his kid's life, its like watching a ping pong match.

No, what I'm trying to justify is a common sense mindset in regard to sentient beings that are sexually mature that should have the right to do what they want with their bodies when they come of age to procreate. If a girl is menstruating, mother nature has already determined she is ready, so if she wants to suck off the whole locker room or give an old man with a cane a handjob...that is her business, and nobody should deem it as a "crime" if both parties are eager and willing.

You'll note that the set of menstruating female humans happens to include 8 year olds. And here's the part where he's saying not stat-raping 8 year olds is actually harming them:

Quote
For millenia, citizens that we now deem "underage" because of Child Labor Laws were able to marry, work, own property and even *GASP* have sex.... because society didn't stunt their development or productivity all because of cutesy rhetoric and puritanical nonsense. Fast forward a hundred years or so, and here we are today... mistakenly stifling mother nature's normal urges...all under the hubris of "but they aren't emotionally ready", despite the fact in much more unsophisticated and less informed epochs of time it worked for thousands and thousands of years.

Inb4..."but our mortality rates are higher nowadays", and THAT is why we should hold people back and stunt their growth/world awareness compared to our  forefathers.  Herp. Derp. AND Slobber.  :D
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 04:04:38 pm
If not, I'm sure I can. Or someone else can. There will always be a totse. There will always be a Sanctuary, for as long as I live. That I promise you.

It would probably be worthwhile to figure out who's going to pick up the pieces when arnox goes to the great TTFN in the sky and tells us all to fuck ourselves.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: splooge gook on October 21, 2014, 04:05:25 pm
shhhh dont tell him you assholes
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: delerium on October 21, 2014, 04:10:09 pm
If not, I'm sure I can. Or someone else can. There will always be a totse. There will always be a Sanctuary, for as long as I live. That I promise you.

It would probably be worthwhile to figure out who's going to pick up the pieces when arnox goes to the great TTFN in the sky and tells us all to fuck ourselves.

I'm working on it as of a couple days ago. The domain I want becomes available in a few months. I'm not going to start anything while this site is up and running, but if SHTF and Arnox decides to TTFN... I should be able to come through. Worst case scenario is I don't get the ".com".

Actually worst case scenario is I don't know enough about running a website to get a forum up and running.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 04:10:32 pm


You'll note that the set of menstruating female humans happens to include 8 year olds. And here's the part where he's saying not stat-raping 8 year olds is actually harming them:



You still haven't posted an example of ANYTHING discussing 8 year olds. I poignantly stated "sexually mature"....but OF COURSE you are still confused on that note. You are the creeper disturbed weirdo here.....not me.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 04:15:57 pm
Lol, I don't even know how you don't understand that sexually mature, in the biological sense (which was clearly the one you were using), includes 8 year olds. Besides, putting your old pedo dick in 13 year olds is equally revolting.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 04:15:58 pm
Yeah, I don't agree with advocates of hebrophilia, but then again in more agrarian times there was no such thing as 'age of consent' and we got along just fine.  Looking at it 'biologically', such practices promote fecundity because the body is ready but the mind is not yet 'mature' enough to practice 'responsible' sexuality (i.e. considering birth control, monogamy, and the like).  But that is neither here nor there. 

The way things are in modern society, and the culture of this website, by advocating hebrophilia, you are basically lumping yourself in with actual pedophiles in the eyes of 90% of drive-by know-it-alls and nosy moralizers. 

Myself included.

Verdict?   :tdown:

daguru loses, by technicality (lanny gets all his wins this way)
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: RisiR on October 21, 2014, 04:18:38 pm
I'm so fucking fly.  8)
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 04:23:55 pm
Lol, I don't even know how you don't understand that sexually mature, in the biological sense (which was clearly the one you were using), includes 8 year olds. Besides, putting your old pedo dick in 13 year olds is equally revolting.

If you still believe an 8 year old is "sexually mature", you fail miserably at biology and all other human social understanding.

As for your scorecard Niglet....there's a lot of shit in "modern society" that is backwards and defies all logic. I for one don't cowtow to a society that is so arrogant to believe they "know what is best" that contradicts science and mother nature. Especially since other societies for thousands of years didn't minimize the capability, competency, and maturity levels (both mentally or emotionally) of those that ARE sexually mature until Child Labor Laws came into effect. The world didn't go to hell back then, and what we are suffering now is feel-good hubris instilled in the consciousness of a lot of people after a hundred or so years of being conditioned to believe something is bad/taboo....when at the end of the day our creator(s) obviously gave us the "go ahead its fine" signal by the mere fact we ARE able to reproduce our species once we do reach that sexual maturity.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 04:27:00 pm
If you still believe an 8 year old is "sexually mature", you fail miserably at biology and all other human social understanding.

As for your scorecard Niglet....there's a lot of shit in "modern society" that is backwards and defies all logic. I for one don't cowtow to a society that is so arrogant to believe they "know what is best" that contradicts science and mother nature. Especially since other societies for thousands of years didn't minimize the capability, competency, and maturity levels (both mentally or emotionally) of those that ARE sexually mature until Child Labor Laws came into effect. The world didn't go to hell back then, and what we are suffering now is feel-good hubris instilled in the consciousness of a lot of people after a hundred or so years of being conditioned to believe something is bad/taboo....when at the end of the day our creator(s) obviously gave us the "go ahead its fine" signal by the mere fact we ARE able to reproduce our species once we do reach that sexual maturity.

I was gonna talk about how it is favorable for survival for us to seek out high fat, high energy foods, but in our modern society where twinkies and doritos are readily available, our 'instinct' actually harms us

but I am a lazy fucker, and I was like 'its too much work, this post is done' and I just hit the button
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 04:33:49 pm
I've already explained this to you DaGuru, I'm not going to do it again.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 04:38:59 pm
I've already explained this to you DaGuru, I'm not going to do it again.

Yeah, we get it Lanny....the fact someone posed for years as someone of a different gender all in the chase of attention/recreation is disturbed and confused in all kinds of things in regard to human sexuality. You not understanding the differences between an 8 year old and sexually mature female is just the tip of the iceberg of all the creepy deviances rattling around in that crippled and warped brain of yours.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 04:48:26 pm
You are all fucking wierdos.  I bet I am by far the most prudish person at this site. 
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 04:56:16 pm


I was gonna talk about how it is favorable for survival for us to seek out high fat, high energy foods, but in our modern society where twinkies and doritos are readily available, our 'instinct' actually harms us

but I am a lazy fucker, and I was like 'its too much work, this post is done' and I just hit the button

Actually Niglet, your discussion of culinary choices only reinforces my original point that much more. Why do so many men enjoy building, tending, and sitting around a campfire? Its because its ingrained in our DNA....since the beginning of time fire was essence for our survival...and gave us a sense of accomplishment and comfort.

Taking it further, why do so many men enjoy grilling meat and consuming it? Because that too is ingrained in our DNA....sustaining nourishment and enjoying the spoils of the hunt just like our forefathers did. Sure its nowadays "easier" to order a pizza or open that bag of Doritos, but there isn't that same sense of accomplishment and satisfaction of eating meat cooked over a fire. Despite some of society coming up with the rhetoric of "red meat is bad for you" misrepresenting something as bad or taboo....it is still ingrained in our genetic makeup to seek out and enjoy such things. Because it truly did get us to where we are today as a species, new age thinking be damned.

Same goes for man looking at a sexually mature female with thoughts of.."damn, I'd love to tap that"....its also in our genetic makeup to have such ideas because that thought process  is what got us here today as a species. New age thinking be damned.  8)
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 05:10:00 pm


I was gonna talk about how it is favorable for survival for us to seek out high fat, high energy foods, but in our modern society where twinkies and doritos are readily available, our 'instinct' actually harms us

but I am a lazy fucker, and I was like 'its too much work, this post is done' and I just hit the button

Actually Niglet, your discussion of culinary choices only reinforces my original point that much more. Why do so many men enjoy building, tending, and sitting around a campfire? Its because its ingrained in our DNA....since the beginning of time fire was essence for our survival...and gave us a sense of accomplishment and comfort.

Taking it further, why do so many men enjoy grilling meat and consuming it? Because that too is ingrained in our DNA....sustaining nourishment and enjoying the spoils of the hunt just like our forefathers did. Sure its nowadays "easier" to order a pizza or open that bag of Doritos, but there isn't that same sense of accomplishment and satisfaction of eating meat cooked over a fire. Despite some of society coming up with the rhetoric of "red meat is bad for you" misrepresenting something as bad or taboo....it is still ingrained in our genetic makeup to seek out and enjoy such things. Because it truly did get us to where we are today as a species, new age thinking be damned.

Same goes for man looking at a sexually mature female with thoughts of.."damn, I'd love to tap that"....its also in our genetic makeup to have such ideas because that thought process  is what got us here today as a species. New age thinking be damned.  8)

Well, I am not really arguing about it as much as 'thinking aloud'....while I am doing so, I agree with this quoted post, but along the same lines, just like it is ingrained in men to be especially attraced to adolescent females, it is ingrained in the females' 'fathers' to jealously guard their daughters virtue.  Both evidently exist for a reason, but which one is the 'correct' instinct? 
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 05:26:59 pm
Well, I am not really arguing about it as much as 'thinking aloud'....while I am doing so, I agree with this quoted post, but along the same lines, just like it is ingrained in men to be especially attraced to adolescent females, it is ingrained in the females' 'fathers' to jealously guard their daughters virtue.  Both evidently exist for a reason, but which one is the 'correct' instinct? 

It doesn't really make sense to talk about to talk about "correct" instincts. It may look like those behaviours are in conflict but there's a common evolutionary benefit in them in that they create a reproductive "marketplace". The sex drive ensures a majority of the male population will be competing for mates and protective fathers work to "weed out" weaker males on the premise that the traits required to win a mate from her father are the same as survival traits. We see the same thing in species where rape is common place and females of the species develop traits to fend off rapists. It may discourage reproduction in some immediate sense but the stronger mates help those defense genes to be propagated.

This only serves to illustrate how naturalism (DaPedo's position) is retarded since it condones rape and murder, in addition to pedophilia.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 05:31:30 pm
This only serves to illustrate how naturalism (DaPedo's position) is retarded since it condones rape and murder, in addition to pedophilia.

But really, when you get down to it, what is so retarded about 'naturalism'?  With all our 'technology' and 'civilization', people still get torn apart by wild animals, drowned in hurricanes, killed as infants by 'disturbed' mothers, mangled in car accidents....et al et al.  We are pretty much at the mercy of the physical world, no matter how 'civilized' we get.  Just because one gets a flashy new computer or a shiny new gun, doesn't mean someone can't come along and just hit you over the head with a rock and take it. 

See? I so much don't know where I am going with this that I am sort of arguing against my own position
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 05:38:02 pm


This only serves to illustrate how naturalism (DaPedo's position) is retarded since it condones rape and murder, in addition to pedophilia.

ELL OH FUCKIN ELL @ "naturalism" condoning the things you just rattled off. My god you are one stupid, backwards and demented fucking moron that doesn't have an understanding of much of anything in this world. No wonder you immerse yourself with computers so much, the "real world" is such a confounding and foreign place for you to exist in.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 05:42:12 pm
But naturalism goes a step further than saying "hey look, the natural world" or "such and such can be explained by the natural world" (indeed, all materialists hold those positions). Naturalists claim that we can find some sort of morality by observing the natural world and that that morality is what we "naturally" (in scare quotes because naturalists famously bend the meaning of that word) do.

I don't deny we can find evolutionary explanations for hebrophilia, nor do I deny that it's "natural" (for some values of natural) but I don't think that's a good reason to do it. We can find natural reasons rape happens but that doesn't make it OK to go out and rape the next person you see.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 05:43:15 pm


This only serves to illustrate how naturalism (DaPedo's position) is retarded since it condones rape and murder, in addition to pedophilia.

ELL OH FUCKIN ELL @ "naturalism" condoning the things you just rattled off. My god you are one stupid, backwards and demented fucking moron that doesn't have an understanding of much of anything in this world. No wonder you immerse yourself with computers so much, the "real world" is such a confounding and foreign place for you to exist in.

stay mad pedophile
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 05:44:26 pm


Well, I am not really arguing about it as much as 'thinking aloud'....while I am doing so, I agree with this quoted post, but along the same lines, just like it is ingrained in men to be especially attraced to adolescent females, it is ingrained in the females' 'fathers' to jealously guard their daughters virtue.  Both evidently exist for a reason, but which one is the 'correct' instinct?

From my perspective both instincts are "correct" and can and DO work in harmony with each other. A father is protective of his offspring for 2 reasons. Unconsciously wanting to keep his family genes as superior as possible, so obviously wanting his daughter to have the highest mate possible. Consciously just wanting her to be as safe, secure and stable as possible and enjoy as much quality of life as she can.

But just because that man has familial interest and a sense of protection for his offspring, that doesn't override the other instinct of feeling a desire to procreate with whatever hot piece of ass  that may walk by.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on October 21, 2014, 05:46:16 pm
Lots of interesting discussion here, but let's keep it on topic.

Topic reminder: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 05:46:18 pm
Naturalists claim that we can find some sort of morality by observing the natural world and that that morality is what we "naturally" (in scare quotes because naturalists famously bend the meaning of that word) do.

If this is indeed correct (I don't feel like doing actual work, my hand is fucked up anyway) then it is sheer lunacy, because 'morality' is of the civilized world and is entirely a human creation and only applies to the 'human world'.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 05:49:45 pm
Lots of interesting discussion here, but let's keep it on topic.

Topic reminder: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?

Perhaps a warning or infraction to the person that started the off-topic derailing nonsense would be in order, or considering who it is...that is out of the question?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on October 21, 2014, 05:52:24 pm
Perhaps a warning or infraction to the person that started the off-topic derailing nonsense would be in order, or considering who it is...that is out of the question?

It's not necessarily how something starts, but how it ends.  Not everything is deserving of an infraction to restore order.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 21, 2014, 05:54:56 pm
wrong thread damnit, sorry

I better post something here anyway, so:

This thread would have ended long ago if we stuck to discussing the OP.  what more can be said about it? 
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 05:55:56 pm


It's not necessarily how something starts, but how it ends.  Not everything is deserving of an infraction to restore order.

Words to live by. Too bad 2 of your colleagues don't share an equally similar common sense approach to things...and moderate with the same sense of fairness that you do.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Cooking with Zyklon B on October 21, 2014, 06:23:58 pm
As far as the coupon guy incident, If I'm not mistaken Zok was issued a gag order alongside the subpoena.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 06:35:04 pm
Lots of interesting discussion here, but let's keep it on topic.

Topic reminder: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?

There's nothing left to discuss, arnox has given us the answer, we've discussed it, now we're having a fruitful discussion about how DaGuru is a failure both as a philosophically cognizant moral agent and as a sexually healthy adult. Also something about evolution.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on October 21, 2014, 06:50:29 pm
As far as the coupon guy incident, If I'm not mistaken Zok was issued a gag order alongside the subpoena.

I imagine any ongoing investigation - especially one that involves federal forces - will be hushed.

There's nothing left to discuss, arnox has given us the answer, we've discussed it, now we're having a fruitful discussion about how DaGuru is a failure both as a philosophically cognizant moral agent and as a sexually healthy adult. Also something about evolution.

Then feel free to make a new thread topic.  If the discussion you suggested pinpoints specifically DaGuru, please do so in B&M.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 21, 2014, 06:55:08 pm

There's nothing left to discuss, arnox has given us the answer, we've discussed it, now we're having a fruitful discussion about how DaGuru is a failure both as a philosophically cognizant moral agent and as a sexually healthy adult. Also something about evolution.

Oh look! The flaming little derailer continues right where he started his off-topic nonsense....with the same empty rhetoric and fail-flaming like he always does. Poor poor little victim, someone touched his wee-wee so many years ago, and he STILL can't get over it and be a semi-productive and interesting human being.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 21, 2014, 07:07:49 pm
I like how the best response you can come up with is "no u!".
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 22, 2014, 11:17:58 am
I like how the best response you can come up with is "no u!".

And I like how desperate your fragile ego is to get the last word in. Bet you STILL didn't get warned or infracted though, did ya? Have you made even ONE topical or relevant post on this thread?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Obbe on October 22, 2014, 11:30:50 am
As far as the coupon guy incident, If I'm not mistaken Zok was issued a gag order alongside the subpoena.

I imagine any ongoing investigation - especially one that involves federal forces - will be hushed.

There's nothing left to discuss, arnox has given us the answer, we've discussed it, now we're having a fruitful discussion about how DaGuru is a failure both as a philosophically cognizant moral agent and as a sexually healthy adult. Also something about evolution.

Then feel free to make a new thread topic.  If the discussion you suggested pinpoints specifically DaGuru, please do so in B&M.

Something tells me Arnox doesn't care if people are posting off topic.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 12:19:46 pm
Something tells me Arnox doesn't care if people are posting off topic.

yeah, you will have to wait until your faggot white knight moderator friend is on, who will delete whatever posts you want them to.  Fucking shoot yourself in the face, you piece of shit.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: RisiR on October 22, 2014, 12:29:27 pm
Arnox can't even handle negative criticism on a website. I doubt he can withstand the Girl Scouts knocking at his door without getting a schizoid episode of PTSD.

He's also a Mormon.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Obbe on October 22, 2014, 12:35:48 pm
Something tells me Arnox doesn't care if people are posting off topic.

yeah, you will have to wait until your faggot white knight moderator friend is on, who will delete whatever posts you want them to.  Fucking shoot yourself in the face, you piece of shit.

LOL

Because your off-topic posts are so important.  You are unbelievably mad over it.  I cannot take you seriously.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 12:41:48 pm
LOL

Because your off-topic posts are so important.  You are unbelievably mad over it.  I cannot take you seriously.

you just don't get it.  It is not at all about the posts anymore, if it ever even was about that.  It is about your character, and how you run to staff to take care of your problems instead of being a man and handling shit.  As soon as you asked 'can we get back on topic'?  I posted something on topic.  It got deleted instantly, because you reported the posts before you even asked us to stay on topic. 

My on topic posts as well as the three OT posts, were deleted because you reported them.  Not only that, only certain users OT posts got deleted, because several users, yourself included, were involved with the OT discussion.  You are a fucking faggot and a hypocrite, and I will never let you forget it.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Obbe on October 22, 2014, 01:01:31 pm
LOL

Because your off-topic posts are so important.  You are unbelievably mad over it.  I cannot take you seriously.

you just don't get it.  It is not at all about the posts anymore, if it ever even was about that.  It is about your character, and how you run to staff to take care of your problems instead of being a man and handling shit.  As soon as you asked 'can we get back on topic'?  I posted something on topic.  It got deleted instantly, because you reported the posts before you even asked us to stay on topic. 

My on topic posts as well as the three OT posts, were deleted because you reported them.  Not only that, only certain users OT posts got deleted, because several users, yourself included, were involved with the OT discussion.  You are a fucking faggot and a hypocrite, and I will never let you forget it.

You don't get it.  I repeatedly asked people to stay on topic.  I shouldn't even have to ask, if you knew anything about forum etiquette you would make a new thread or post in the appropriate threads.  This says a lot about your character.   Why shouldn't we report off-topic posts?  Isn't that why we have the function?   Especially after repeatedly asking people to stay on topic in that thread, and having people like Lanny intentionally derailing it because of some personal vendetta.   If something on topic accidentally got deleted I apologize but I have no control over what the moderator does.  You weren't infracted.  You weren't frozen or banned.  You have had ample opportunity to cool your head and post on topic.  But now you refuse.  Now you cry like a baby after everything I post.  This says a lot about your character.   Pretty ironic seeing you write about "being a man", when you can't even get over having you off topic posts removed that you shouldn't have even posted in the first place.  Cry harder,  faggot.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 01:07:38 pm
You don't get it.  I repeatedly asked people to stay on topic.

You fucking liar.  You 'repeatedly asked' after all this occurred.   The first time you asked, you asked after you reported the posts.  How do I know?  Because I saw you post 'please lets get back on topic' so I posted an on-topic reply and it was deleted not 30 seconds later. 
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Obbe on October 22, 2014, 01:11:42 pm
You don't get it.  I repeatedly asked people to stay on topic.

You fucking liar.  You 'repeatedly asked' after all this occurred.   The first time you asked, you asked after you reported the posts.  How do I know?  Because I saw you post 'please lets get back on topic' so I posted an on-topic reply and it was deleted not 30 seconds later.

No the first and several other times i asked were pages and pages earlier in the thread you idiot.  Not my fault you came late to the show and got mad over nothing.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: RisiR on October 22, 2014, 01:12:40 pm
OT: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?

 
Quote
I shouldn't even have to ask, if you knew anything about forum etiquette you would make a new thread or post in the appropriate threads.  This says a lot about your character.   Why shouldn't we report off-topic posts?

LOL.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 01:19:32 pm
No the first and several other times i asked were pages and pages earlier in the thread you idiot.  Not my fault you came late to the show and got mad over nothing.

I would rather be the brunt of a hundred million 'u mad bro?' and 'cry harder' posts than ever even once be a fucking 'run to staff and tell on people' type like you.  How fucking pathetic are you?  If I ask people to stay on topic in my threads, they do it. 

Just because you are a weak, milquetoast bitch who lacks a commanding presence and is respected by absolutely no one here, you go run and tell staff and get my posts deleted.  Funny how my posts were the target, and not all the others who strayed from your requests far earlier in the thread.

I imagine you were the first to be 'mad, bro?' at the posts I made.  You were probably quick to jump on that report button, just like how you are probably one of those types in real life who is quick to call the police at any vaguely threatening life event.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: RisiR on October 22, 2014, 01:23:21 pm
I've reported Infinityshock like 100 times in a row saying nothing but "He's a faggot" and he got banned for two weeks.

:laugh:
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 01:25:15 pm
I've reported Infinityshock like 100 times in a row saying nothing but "He's a faggot" and he got banned for two weeks.

:laugh:

I have reported exactly one post, ever in my life, anywhere, and it was here, and it was CP. 
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: RisiR on October 22, 2014, 01:29:03 pm
I've reported Infinityshock like 100 times in a row saying nothing but "He's a faggot" and he got banned for two weeks.

:laugh:

I have reported exactly one post, ever in my life, anywhere, and it was here, and it was CP.
I have just reported you for being off topic.  :psych:
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: equanimity on October 22, 2014, 01:29:58 pm
Please don't do that.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on October 22, 2014, 01:30:20 pm
I have just reported you for being off topic.  :psych:

 :oface:
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 01:33:52 pm
I have just reported you for being off topic.  :psych:

have you read my hb thread entitled :cosby:?
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: RisiR on October 22, 2014, 01:42:43 pm
I have just reported you for being off topic.  :psych:

have you read my hb thread entitled :cosby:?
I did but then I've spent 15 minutes searching for good Cosby pictures but my fucking PS3 doesn't let me hotlink so I raged hard. Let's hang out over there.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: DaGuru on October 22, 2014, 02:07:27 pm

 people like Lanny intentionally derailing it because of some personal vendetta.   

Curious to know if Lanny ever got warned or infracted because of it....because that IS what he spends significant time doing with his internet usage. This thread itself is a great example of that, and despite the frequency and pattern its funny his account never gets fucked with...even though we all know its because he's Zek's little buddy/pet.


I would rather be the brunt of a hundred million 'u mad bro?' and 'cry harder' posts than ever even once be a fucking 'run to staff and tell on people' type like you.  How fucking pathetic are you?  If I ask people to stay on topic in my threads, they do it. 

Just because you are a weak, milquetoast bitch who lacks a commanding presence and is respected by absolutely no one here, you go run and tell staff and get my posts deleted.  Funny how my posts were the target, and not all the others who strayed from your requests far earlier in the thread.

I imagine you were the first to be 'mad, bro?' at the posts I made.  You were probably quick to jump on that report button, just like how you are probably one of those types in real life who is quick to call the police at any vaguely threatening life event.

Kinda hard to disagree with any of this. As much as I like Obbe as a poster with the content he provides, this whole "telling on someone" with the report button could be some of the lamest, queerest shit imaginable.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 02:12:17 pm
Kinda hard to disagree with any of this. As much as I like Obbe as a poster with the content he provides, this whole "telling on someone" with the report button could be some of the lamest, queerest shit imaginable.

If I wanted to be relentless about this I would make the quoted text my new sig line.  But really the whole thing is beneath me and not worth my 'precious' time to bother with.  I would rather just forget about it, because frankly, it disgusts me.  I now have nothing but contempt for obbe, and I tend to avoid his ilk as a matter of principle.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: Lanny on October 22, 2014, 03:20:19 pm

 people like Lanny intentionally derailing it because of some personal vendetta.   

Curious to know if Lanny ever got warned or infracted because of it....because that IS what he spends significant time doing with his internet usage. This thread itself is a great example of that, and despite the frequency and pattern its funny his account never gets fucked with...even though we all know its because he's Zek's little buddy/pet.

I was tempted to report this post as OT and as containing dangerous levels of pederasty but then I decided not to stoop to obbe's level.

This thread sure is going well.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: starvingniglet on October 22, 2014, 03:24:53 pm
stoop to obbe's level.

fuck you obbe, no one will ever trust you again.  leave in disgrace.

obligatory on-topic nonsense to preserve the integrity of my message to obbe:  arnox will be all like 'yes sir, how high sir?' to any law enforcement who as much looks in his general direction.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: RisiR on October 22, 2014, 03:26:42 pm
Arnox can't even handle negative criticism on a website. I doubt he can withstand the Girl Scouts knocking at his door without getting a schizoid episode of PTSD.

He's also a Mormon.
QFT.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: SBTlauien on October 22, 2014, 07:53:09 pm
I just hope Arnox will at least let us know if he does have 'these types of things' come his way.
Title: Re: Can Arnox handle subpoenas, federal agents, and reporters?
Post by: HateEternal on October 22, 2014, 09:58:31 pm
Arnox can't even handle negative criticism on a website. I doubt he can withstand the Girl Scouts knocking at his door without getting a schizoid episode of PTSD.

He's also a Mormon.
QFT.

QFT.