Site Discussion => News of the Sanctuary => Topic started by: Arnox on October 08, 2014, 11:46:27 pm
Title: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Arnox on October 08, 2014, 11:46:27 pm
Lately, I've been getting a lot of whining because some people just CAN'T READ the one thread in this entire site that ACTUALLY MATTERS.
So we're going to go over them again.
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First and foremost, although this is not really a rule, you must remember that anything you post at Sanctuary is hypothetical and the site administrators and users are in no way liable for anything you say or do at or as a result of the nature of this site. In other words, don't incriminate yourself.
1. No spam. This means posts that are not relevant or do not add anything at all to the thread or the discussion in it. ('this's are allowed though) This also means threads which do not add anything to the sub-forum it's posted in. Necrobumping without contributing something to the thread and completely illegible posts or threads are also spam. 2. No child porn is to be posted in any way. Child porn is porn of anyone under the age of 18. 3. No IRL bestiality is to be posted in any way. 4. No personal information of any users on Sanctuary is to be given out. The only exception to this rule is if someone posts their own PI PUBLICLY ON THE SITE. That is IT. 5. No advertising your own site, service, or thing unless publicly cleared to do so by an admin or global mod. This also includes people affiliated with the creation, maintenance, or advertisement of a site, service, or thing. 6. No breaking into or attempting to deface or damage the site or its host in any way. No links to programs that could damage or deface the site or its host are allowed in threads or posts. Instructions on how or where to obtain such programs are also not allowed. 7. No ban evading.
While alt accounts aren't expressly prohibited, if I find someone who has such, I may just slip up and "accidentally" make some small little changes to their accounts. (yes, plural) To make sure these mistakes don't happen, all alt accounts should be approved by me or another admin.
If we find that you are removing your posts by editing them out, unless you've accidentally double-posted, your account will be frozen until further notice. This means that you will be completely unable to edit your profile, your posts, or your polls. What gets posted here stays here.
Images in signatures must be REASONABLY SIZED. If the offending parties keep using massive signatures after they have been told to resize, they will lose their signature privileges completely for an indefinite period of time. Signatures are also no exception to the seven rules.
Punishments will be handed out on a case by case basis mostly depending on the severity of the offending action or actions. For most small offenses though, a warning will usually be given first. If you feel you've been punished unfairly, you may contact an admin about it by email. HOWEVER, keep in mind that most, if not all of the time, an admin (me included) will stand by a global moderator's decision. We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard. For more information on this subject, please see the stickied topic on Staffing Policies.
Now, if you DON'T UNDERSTAND any part of the rules, or you DISAGREE with one or some them, post about it here. Now's the time. Because later, I DEFINITELY don't want to hear how you didn't know this or that was a rule nor do I want to hear about how unfair a certain rule is right when you're on the receiving end of punishment for breaking it.
If you break a rule, you WILL BE PUNISHED for breaking it. This is simple, people.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: starvingniglet on October 08, 2014, 11:49:15 pm
The question is, what don't you guys understand about them? On one hand, your rules state that alts are not prohibited, and it is recommended (it says 'should') that one get permission. On the other hand, you and your moderators act as if alts are prohibited, and that 'punishments' will be handed out if one doesn't follow the 'recommendations', which are apparently mandatory, although I do not see that anywhere in the rules.
I don't appreciate the insinuations you have been making, that 'I will go and make an incredibly obvious alt' and that I ever even implied that anyone was a tranny (except hc45), totalitarian, or a terrible mod. None of these things are true.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: equanimity on October 08, 2014, 11:49:52 pm
Take notes. There will be a test.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: DaGuru on October 09, 2014, 12:56:36 am
A few quick thoughts off the top of my head....
1) Spam .....If you are SERIOUS about this rule, you'll increase the quality of this board significantly. But DO you have the fortitude to enforce it? Only time will tell
2) Child Porn....You probably need to spell out more clearly your definition of what constitutes child porn (or maybe just porn in general), because there are still a handful of prudish virgins/victims that actually believe some 14 year old tart in a bikini is in that realm.
"While alt accounts aren't expressly prohibited".....You absolutely NEED to change the verbiage of that rule, because its very vague and obscure. Part of the reason I never said anything about Unbreakable's army of alts, because that wording doesn't seem to take the whole thing very seriously at all.
"Images in signatures must be REASONABLY SIZED".....Do you really consider Bling's signature "reasonably sized"? Its your site and you can set whatever standards you like, but to me its loud, obnoxious and gawdy.....more appropriate for a Justin Beiber site, or something dedicated to Nickelodeon/Disney.
"Punishments will be handed out on a case by case basis mostly depending on the severity of the offending action or actions. For most small offenses though, a warning will usually be given first."..... Going back to Cats/Niglets issues with "alt account", if you are sincere about "case by case" basis, why such a heavy handed approach with him? He's not a troll, hasn't given you any grief at all, as a matter of fact is one of the few (if not only) posters NOT giving you shit about modding Zek. Its baffling that you imply having a sense of objectivity depending on each scenario, but in the other thread you are very staunchly stating..."rules are rules"...like an indignant school marm. Either change the verbiage in that rule, or take heed of your own words and actually practically apply it in the spirit you are implying.
"We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard."......*giggles* No, you don't. You modded Zek after all, and if you consider his posting habits and behavior still after being modded as being a "rigorous standard"....you either need to get your eyes checked or increase your standards to something loftier than the underbelly of your common garden slug.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: aldra on October 09, 2014, 01:13:44 am
"Images in signatures must be REASONABLY SIZED".....Do you really consider Bling's signature "reasonably sized"? Its your site and you can set whatever standards you like, but to me its loud, obnoxious and gawdy.....more appropriate for a Justin Beiber site, or something dedicated to Nickelodeon/Disney.
probably a good idea to hard-restrict them to a maximum of 200x600 or something, or even disable images in sigs altogether.
I recommend disabling signatures from your user control panel though; the site's faggotry per page ratio drops significantly unless you're viewing a zek thread.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: BITCH TITZ on October 09, 2014, 07:24:11 am
1) Spam .....If you are SERIOUS about this rule, you'll increase the quality of this board significantly. But DO you have the fortitude to enforce it? Only time will tell
2) Child Porn....You probably need to spell out more clearly your definition of what constitutes child porn (or maybe just porn in general), because there are still a handful of prudish virgins/victims that actually believe some 14 year old tart in a bikini is in that realm.
"While alt accounts aren't expressly prohibited".....You absolutely NEED to change the verbiage of that rule, because its very vague and obscure. Part of the reason I never said anything about Unbreakable's army of alts, because that wording doesn't seem to take the whole thing very seriously at all.
"Images in signatures must be REASONABLY SIZED".....Do you really consider Bling's signature "reasonably sized"? Its your site and you can set whatever standards you like, but to me its loud, obnoxious and gawdy.....more appropriate for a Justin Beiber site, or something dedicated to Nickelodeon/Disney.
"Punishments will be handed out on a case by case basis mostly depending on the severity of the offending action or actions. For most small offenses though, a warning will usually be given first."..... Going back to Cats/Niglets issues with "alt account", if you are sincere about "case by case" basis, why such a heavy handed approach with him? He's not a troll, hasn't given you any grief at all, as a matter of fact is one of the few (if not only) posters NOT giving you shit about modding Zek. Its baffling that you imply having a sense of objectivity depending on each scenario, but in the other thread you are very staunchly stating..."rules are rules"...like an indignant school marm. Either change the verbiage in that rule, or take heed of your own words and actually practically apply it in the spirit you are implying.
"We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard."......*giggles* No, you don't. You modded Zek after all, and if you consider his posting habits and behavior still after being modded as being a "rigorous standard"....you either need to get your eyes checked or increase your standards to something loftier than the underbelly of your common garden slug.
Dawg do you ever discuss anything besides forum rules, administration and shit? Do you not have any interests besides forum politics and wrestling? I've never seen you post anything worth reading. You enter the fantasy football thread and make a couple posts then say I won't join like every other year.
Such a worthless faggot.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: SBTlauien on October 09, 2014, 09:34:31 am
1. I would like to be approved for one of my great counting threads where I count, starting with 0, and post consecutively in each post as others cheer me on. These usually go for many pages.
6. I would like permission to pen. test the sites security. Web application only, for now. No damage would be done.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Arnox on October 09, 2014, 10:05:51 am
Oh, BTW, not ignoring the replies here. Will address them tomorrow.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: RisiR on October 09, 2014, 11:56:57 am
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Lately, I've been getting a lot of whining because some people just CAN'T READ the one thread in this entire site that ACTUALLY MATTERS.
...... Ok.
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HOWEVER, keep in mind that most, if not all of the time, an admin (me included) will stand by a global moderator's decision. We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard. For more information on this subject, please see the stickied topic on Staffing Policies.
While alt accounts aren't expressly prohibited, if I find someone who has such, I may just slip up and "accidentally" make some small little changes to their accounts. (yes, plural) To make sure these mistakes don't happen, all alt accounts should be approved by me or another admin.
But as punishment, I'm not going to make any changes. Instead, I think I'm going to leave it up to equanimity. She'll the decide the, uh... Makeover of your accounts. The changes will be temporary but for a rather long time...
Absolutely fucking disgusting.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Lanny on October 09, 2014, 03:04:56 pm
The no PI rule has always been untenable on every site that's tried to enforce it. Even if you set up hard lines on what is and isn't grey areas always appear, there are places you want to enforce the rule but can't or places where you have to by the letter of the law but don't want to. People will bitch about it from now until the end of time.
Registration is open, if someone's PI is out there and they have a problem with that then they can register a new handle and the problem is solved. Next time they just won't post their their own info. Easy or remember and enforce.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: bling bling on October 09, 2014, 07:45:19 pm
1 Do not identify as a female or suggest that you are one.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: MoaningLisa on October 09, 2014, 07:56:55 pm
it would probably be less confusing if we just made alts illegal.
the spam rule is enforced...often under the guise of "shitposting"
CP is pornography of underage persons. not that confusing. it either is, or it is not pornography...I'm sure there are images that fit in the middle, but if I come across something and there is any confusion, I'm just going to take it down.
I honestly don't understand why it is so hard for some people to not post PI
we should probably get a little more strict on the sig rule. looking at you blingbling.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: starvingniglet on October 09, 2014, 07:59:14 pm
it would probably be less confusing if we just made alts illegal.
Or....how about this: The only rule is: Only one account at a time. If you make an alt, you stay an alt.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: RisiR on October 09, 2014, 08:13:37 pm
Fuck the rules.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Spectre on October 09, 2014, 09:05:48 pm
Having good clear rules is only half of what matters the way the rules are enforced and common sense are what is lacking here and that's what needs to be addressed and HAS been addressed constantly this thread is rediculously childish and shows your inability to effectively run a site
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: DaGuru on October 09, 2014, 10:44:42 pm
Multiple moderators have been active while all of that nonsense has been going on, yet the monkeys still eagerly pick their nose and show each other their boogers.
In regards to PI, you are right it is NOT hard to "never post PI"....but that is for any rational and decent poster. Its when you have people like Lanny and their supposed "grey areas" that are deep down emotional spastics that feel like they've been made a fool of...that they have to reach the very bottom of the barrel to go for such pathetic antics and lash out like silly children. Because they are emotionally and mentally stunted, they grasp for the most feeble straw possible..."Hahah, here is your picture"...."here is your real name"....because exchanging discourse like a normal adult is too difficult for them.
And until there IS a legitimate "hardline" approach to PI, where the kidiots either leave for good or cease such ridiculous and petty behavior (just like everywhere else on the internet) it will continue. But instead people like Lanny fall on the FALSE rhetoric of..."but its impossible to control"....when thousands and thousands of successful BBS's tell an entirely different story. The only difference between places like Zoklet and/or Sanctuary vs. everywhere else is the staff's SINCERE approach to PI abuse, and a hardhanded enforcement of it. Playing games with the kidiots and banning them for a day or two (or allowing them back with alts) just falls right into their stupid agenda....they are getting attention for their trolling, and nothing is really "happening" to them for their toxic idiocy. Perma ban IS the only answer, as we should make pariahs out of children that have no place supposedly dedicated for adult discussion. IF someone has to go there even ONCE (drunk, high, or sober), it proves exactly what they are made of......just a steamy pile of shit.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Arnox on October 09, 2014, 11:36:46 pm
The question is, what don't you guys understand about them? On one hand, your rules state that alts are not prohibited, and it is recommended (it says 'should') that one get permission. On the other hand, you and your moderators act as if alts are prohibited, and that 'punishments' will be handed out if one doesn't follow the 'recommendations', which are apparently mandatory, although I do not see that anywhere in the rules.
2) Child Porn....You probably need to spell out more clearly your definition of what constitutes child porn (or maybe just porn in general), because there are still a handful of prudish virgins/victims that actually believe some 14 year old tart in a bikini is in that realm.
"While alt accounts aren't expressly prohibited".....You absolutely NEED to change the verbiage of that rule, because its very vague and obscure. Part of the reason I never said anything about Unbreakable's army of alts, because that wording doesn't seem to take the whole thing very seriously at all.
"Images in signatures must be REASONABLY SIZED".....Do you really consider Bling's signature "reasonably sized"? Its your site and you can set whatever standards you like, but to me its loud, obnoxious and gawdy.....more appropriate for a Justin Beiber site, or something dedicated to Nickelodeon/Disney.
"Punishments will be handed out on a case by case basis mostly depending on the severity of the offending action or actions. For most small offenses though, a warning will usually be given first."..... Going back to Cats/Niglets issues with "alt account", if you are sincere about "case by case" basis, why such a heavy handed approach with him? He's not a troll, hasn't given you any grief at all, as a matter of fact is one of the few (if not only) posters NOT giving you shit about modding Zek. Its baffling that you imply having a sense of objectivity depending on each scenario, but in the other thread you are very staunchly stating..."rules are rules"...like an indignant school marm. Either change the verbiage in that rule, or take heed of your own words and actually practically apply it in the spirit you are implying.
"We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard."......*giggles* No, you don't. You modded Zek after all, and if you consider his posting habits and behavior still after being modded as being a "rigorous standard"....you either need to get your eyes checked or increase your standards to something loftier than the underbelly of your common garden slug.
2. It's usually pretty obvious what is CP and what isn't. As long as that girl in the bikini isn't posing suggestively or etc. it should be fine.
4. Signature rules may be changed but... You and Aldra do know that you can disable sigs from displaying in your profile, right?
5. I didn't know a little fun with his avatar/name/etc. was heavy-handed punishment for creating alts without permission.
The thing with UM is that he fell through the cracks. I don't look at every post on here and somewhat rely on people reporting any offenses. But no one here seems to do that and the ones that do do it don't do it properly at all. So I'm probably going to have to do some more baby sitting and sorting through past posts.
People complain about sporadic punishment on my part and it is kind of true. But it's not out of bias but much more an issue of my time. I'm sorry for that. So, I'll try to be keeping a closer eye on things now.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: DaGuru on October 10, 2014, 12:36:58 am
2. It's usually pretty obvious what is CP and what isn't. As long as that girl in the bikini isn't posing suggestively or etc. it should be fine.
4. Signature rules may be changed but... You and Aldra do know that you can disable sigs from displaying in your profile, right?
5. I didn't know a little fun with his avatar/name/etc. was heavy-handed punishment for creating alts without permission.
The thing with UM is that he fell through the cracks. I don't look at every post on here and somewhat rely on people reporting any offenses. But no one here seems to do that and the ones that do do it don't do it properly at all. So I'm probably going to have to do some more baby sitting and sorting through past posts.
People complain about sporadic punishment on my part and it is kind of true. But it's not out of bias but much more an issue of my time. I'm sorry for that. So, I'll try to be keeping a closer eye on things now.
CP.....but see you do need to spell it out, because "posing suggestively" really isn't pornography in the real sense of the definition. Pornography has to involve actual sexual acts, what you just described is NUDITY...so clarification may be needed for those that want to tap-dance those lines in the future.
Signatures......yeah, I understand I can turn them off, and not really concerned about my personal sensibilities. Instead looking at the bigger picture of attracting and retaining new users. They come on here just to lurk or tip their toe in without spending much time in their settings, they can be bombarded with a lot of gawdy silliness if more people follow suit with Bling's example.
Having fun with avatars.....As I keep saying, its your site, your cheese, you can do whatever you want. But when you start playing games that is a bit silly and immature, sure you can brush it off as a few moments of whimsy in middle of the bump and grind of running things. At the same time though, it very much IS contrary to your ideology of wanting staff members that are "professional" and have "higher standards"....especially when acting in a disciplinary fashion that you imply want to be taken "seriously". Why should the rules be taken seriously if when someone does break a rule your idea of punishment is some silly farce?
Reporting people....Speaking only for myself, its not in my nature to narc/snitch/tattle tale on people. Not when I was a kid, and especially as an adult. And especially in UM's case, it was so blatantly OBVIOUS, the fact not even one staff member was aware (or cared) might be putting a big fat spotlight on the effectiveness of the people you have chosen to have those responsibilties.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: theKit on October 10, 2014, 12:53:59 am
What is the point of allowing alts? What possible reason is there for someone to have more than one account? Why don't you just set a maximum image size restriction instead of relying on users to upload something 'reasonable'? Remove image signatures all together, they're fucking annoying, is there a 'show signatures' option in user settings? Offensive avatars should also be restricted. I'm tired of seeing Guy Jumps Through Gaping Asshole gif, and Look At Me Goatse avatar.
Are people really having a hard time not posting PI and CP wtf is wrong with you kiddiots?
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Arenox you should actually be posting under an alt. You post too much. I think Jeff / Zok's mysterious absence made the sites better.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: AngryOnion on October 10, 2014, 01:15:18 am
All rules are arbitrary,the admin can do what ever he or she wants,this is not a democracy or a republic this is despotism pure and simple. Arnox can do whatever he wants here this is his place,its not yours,its not zoklet,its not TOTSE, this is Arnox land and you will obey his rules. Fucking DUH./ If you don't like it start your own dam web site.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: DaGuru on October 10, 2014, 01:35:14 am
All rules are arbitrary,the admin can do what ever he or she wants,this is not a democracy or a republic this is despotism pure and simple. Arnox can do whatever he wants here this is his place,its not yours,its not zoklet,its not TOTSE, this is Arnox land and you will obey his rules. Fucking DUH./ If you don't like it start your own dam web site.
And why don't YOU go back and reread the first post in this thread? The admin invited this discourse and is welcoming the questions.
Here, I'll save you the effort....
"Now, if you DON'T UNDERSTAND any part of the rules, or you DISAGREE with one or some them, post about it here."
I've been on topic and relevant this entire thread, the point of YOUR post however...was what exactly?
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Flowerz on October 10, 2014, 02:17:52 am
1) Spam .....If you are SERIOUS about this rule, you'll increase the quality of this board significantly. But DO you have the fortitude to enforce it? Only time will tell
2) Child Porn....You probably need to spell out more clearly your definition of what constitutes child porn (or maybe just porn in general), because there are still a handful of prudish virgins/victims that actually believe some 14 year old tart in a bikini is in that realm.
"While alt accounts aren't expressly prohibited".....You absolutely NEED to change the verbiage of that rule, because its very vague and obscure. Part of the reason I never said anything about Unbreakable's army of alts, because that wording doesn't seem to take the whole thing very seriously at all.
"Images in signatures must be REASONABLY SIZED".....Do you really consider Bling's signature "reasonably sized"? Its your site and you can set whatever standards you like, but to me its loud, obnoxious and gawdy.....more appropriate for a Justin Beiber site, or something dedicated to Nickelodeon/Disney.
"Punishments will be handed out on a case by case basis mostly depending on the severity of the offending action or actions. For most small offenses though, a warning will usually be given first."..... Going back to Cats/Niglets issues with "alt account", if you are sincere about "case by case" basis, why such a heavy handed approach with him? He's not a troll, hasn't given you any grief at all, as a matter of fact is one of the few (if not only) posters NOT giving you shit about modding Zek. Its baffling that you imply having a sense of objectivity depending on each scenario, but in the other thread you are very staunchly stating..."rules are rules"...like an indignant school marm. Either change the verbiage in that rule, or take heed of your own words and actually practically apply it in the spirit you are implying.
"We pick our staff VERY carefully and hold them to a rigorous standard."......*giggles* No, you don't. You modded Zek after all, and if you consider his posting habits and behavior still after being modded as being a "rigorous standard"....you either need to get your eyes checked or increase your standards to something loftier than the underbelly of your common garden slug.
... I hate it when dagayru/specfag makes good points. Arnox you need to fix these issues so spec can go back to ranting about complete nonsense. No matter what you do, hes gonna rant. But when hes making some sort of sense, you know something isn't right. I will say that his first point, spam, doesn't really qualify. Spam is advertisements or literal gibberish. Nothing else. Stupid posts are not spam they are stupid posts, by definition. That is something I doubt spec will ever concede. So when he says take spam seriously what he means is moderate like a forum nazi until its only posts he likes. The rest of his points were pretty spot on.
2) It isn't "obvious" what child porn is. Its not even obvious by conventional laws in most places. Is a 12 year old girl spread eagle in a nudist resort CP? I think so. Legally it isn't in most places though, not if she isn't doing something sexual. Just make the rule this: a) No nude under 18 pics no matter what the context b) no under 18 sexually suggestive pics with partial clothing (bikinis etc.). There, definition problem solved. I mean, technically the latter isn't CP by any law, but really, who the fuck wants that shit on here except pedos.
3) Err... apparently daguru can only count to two. And yes, all rules should be written as if you were a lawyer, they need to be completely clear and not open to incredible amounts of interpretation.
4) Blings sig fucking sucks and I think everyone hates it. Hes just trying to be as obnoxious as possible clearly. And I know I can disable sigs, but its only his sig I want to disable so far.
5) Zek should never had been modded. Huge mistake. Really big mistake. What was the logic involved? Since girls always get modded, and hes the... ahem... the closest thing to one we got, he should be automatically modded? If you knew anything about his prior posting history, his mental illnesses, or fuck, his life in general, there is no way you would have modded him. Clearly, you are not vetting your mods properly. Zek is 1) mentally unstable and 2) almost certain to abuse any sort of power he has and 3) totally irresponsible. He abandoned his kids and spent what should have been their college fund on growing tits for himself. Does that sound like a responsible person to you? No. It doesn't, and that's just the tip of the iceberg with that one. Really bad call. Hes one of the last people who should have ever been modded.
And a note on alts, I think they should be allowed, depending on their purpose. I mean, ban evading shouldn't be allowed, but there were plenty of alts on totse/zoklet that lead to many lulz. Most of them were just gimmicks (rolf) and mediocre at best, but some of them were pretty good. I have always been against a blanket no alts rule.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: constantinople on October 10, 2014, 03:06:01 am
I contest the no bestiality rule. I was banned for posting a link to the Mr. Hands video. That video is not illegal. Bestiality is not illegal.
So stop being a puss.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Flowerz on October 10, 2014, 03:29:11 am
Rules were meant to be broken. Everything will be consumed in fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDxeFwmGnSs
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: RisiR on October 10, 2014, 10:57:27 am
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Rizzo in a box on October 10, 2014, 11:53:03 am
arnox, delete this post if you will, but I hope you get these fuckers hard. fucking retards thinking we are about your PI. who the fuck cares? die in a fucking fire skiddies.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Juicebox on October 10, 2014, 12:31:47 pm
arnox, delete this post if you will, but I hope you get these fuckers hard. fucking retards thinking we are about your PI. who the fuck cares? die in a fucking fire skiddies.
I doubt that's actually his PI or it would be edited out by now
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Rizzo in a box on October 10, 2014, 12:36:31 pm
arnox, delete this post if you will, but I hope you get these fuckers hard. fucking retards thinking we are about your PI. who the fuck cares? die in a fucking fire skiddies.
I doubt that's actually his PI or it would be edited out by now
he'll get it soon
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Juicebox on October 10, 2014, 12:46:48 pm
arnox, delete this post if you will, but I hope you get these fuckers hard. fucking retards thinking we are about your PI. who the fuck cares? die in a fucking fire skiddies.
I doubt that's actually his PI or it would be edited out by now
he'll get it soon
Somebody banned him but left the pi up though
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Arnox on October 10, 2014, 12:48:18 pm
arnox, delete this post if you will, but I hope you get these fuckers hard. fucking retards thinking we are about your PI. who the fuck cares? die in a fucking fire skiddies.
I doubt that's actually his PI or it would be edited out by now
he'll get it soon
Somebody banned him but left the pi up though
what are you talking about? I have no idea. you must be crazy. ;)
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: DaGuru on October 10, 2014, 12:57:17 pm
PI punk aside.....I'm curious to know how many other posters got a PM warning for keeping this thread "on topic" with all the pointless drivel after my post was admonished that merely pointed out to a blind man what the intent of this thread was.
Inb4 crickets as suddenly "feigning seriousness" doesn't matter on this thread any more. 8)
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Rizzo in a box on October 10, 2014, 12:58:47 pm
PI punk aside.....I'm curious to know how many other posters got a PM warning for keeping this thread "on topic" with all the pointless drivel after my post was admonished that merely pointed out to a blind man what the intent of this thread was.
Inb4 crickets as suddenly "feigning seriousness" doesn't matter on this thread any more. 8)
Let's fuck?
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: RisiR on October 10, 2014, 01:06:28 pm
PI punk aside.....I'm curious to know how many other posters got a PM warning for keeping this thread "on topic" with all the pointless drivel after my post was admonished that merely pointed out to a blind man what the intent of this thread was.
Inb4 crickets as suddenly "feigning seriousness" doesn't matter on this thread any more. 8)
Let's fuck?
PYRAMIDS... fuck, sucks that Unstable left. His Pyramid skills were of the hook.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: starvingniglet on October 10, 2014, 01:11:39 pm
1. I would like to be approved for one of my great counting threads where I count, starting with 0, and post consecutively in each post as others cheer me on. These usually go for many pages.
6. I would like permission to pen. test the sites security. Web application only, for now. No damage would be done.
Please answer Arnox.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: helladamnleet on October 10, 2014, 06:08:54 pm
1. I would like to be approved for one of my great counting threads where I count, starting with 0, and post consecutively in each post as others cheer me on. These usually go for many pages.
6. I would like permission to pen. test the sites security. Web application only, for now. No damage would be done.
1. If people really want it, I may just make a global spam thread for you n00bs.
6. Sorry, no. Don't worry. This goes for everyone too.
What is the point of allowing alts? What possible reason is there for someone to have more than one account? Why don't you just set a maximum image size restriction instead of relying on users to upload something 'reasonable'? Remove image signatures all together, they're fucking annoying, is there a 'show signatures' option in user settings? Offensive avatars should also be restricted. I'm tired of seeing Guy Jumps Through Gaping Asshole gif, and Look At Me Goatse avatar.
1. There isn't really. Which is why it's punished.
2. There are global image size restrictions.
3. Yes, there is. Disable them in Look and Layout.
4. Eh... If you adblock, you can just block whatever avatars you want from there very easily.
... I hate it when dagayru/specfag makes good points. Arnox you need to fix these issues so spec can go back to ranting about complete nonsense. No matter what you do, hes gonna rant. But when hes making some sort of sense, you know something isn't right. I will say that his first point, spam, doesn't really qualify. Spam is advertisements or literal gibberish. Nothing else. Stupid posts are not spam they are stupid posts, by definition. That is something I doubt spec will ever concede. So when he says take spam seriously what he means is moderate like a forum nazi until its only posts he likes. The rest of his points were pretty spot on.
2) It isn't "obvious" what child porn is. Its not even obvious by conventional laws in most places. Is a 12 year old girl spread eagle in a nudist resort CP? I think so. Legally it isn't in most places though, not if she isn't doing something sexual. Just make the rule this: a) No nude under 18 pics no matter what the context b) no under 18 sexually suggestive pics with partial clothing (bikinis etc.). There, definition problem solved. I mean, technically the latter isn't CP by any law, but really, who the fuck wants that shit on here except pedos.
3) Err... apparently daguru can only count to two. And yes, all rules should be written as if you were a lawyer, they need to be completely clear and not open to incredible amounts of interpretation.
4) Blings sig fucking sucks and I think everyone hates it. Hes just trying to be as obnoxious as possible clearly. And I know I can disable sigs, but its only his sig I want to disable so far.
5) Zek should never had been modded. Huge mistake. Really big mistake. What was the logic involved? Since girls always get modded, and hes the... ahem... the closest thing to one we got, he should be automatically modded? If you knew anything about his prior posting history, his mental illnesses, or fuck, his life in general, there is no way you would have modded him. Clearly, you are not vetting your mods properly. Zek is 1) mentally unstable and 2) almost certain to abuse any sort of power he has and 3) totally irresponsible. He abandoned his kids and spent what should have been their college fund on growing tits for himself. Does that sound like a responsible person to you? No. It doesn't, and that's just the tip of the iceberg with that one. Really bad call. Hes one of the last people who should have ever been modded.
And a note on alts, I think they should be allowed, depending on their purpose. I mean, ban evading shouldn't be allowed, but there were plenty of alts on totse/zoklet that lead to many lulz. Most of them were just gimmicks (rolf) and mediocre at best, but some of them were pretty good. I have always been against a blanket no alts rule.
1. The line in the first rule of the Site Rules, 'posts which do not add anything to the thread', is probably the most contentious bit right there, honestly. It's kind of too general though so we might have to make it more specific. Out of all our rules actually, Rule #1 is definitely the most debated over rule.
2. "a) No nude under 18 pics no matter what the context b) no under 18 sexually suggestive pics with partial clothing (bikinis etc.)." Hm. This could actually work.
5. OK,
a. You don't really know if it's Zek or not and she says she's not so that's good enough for me. b. Even if she was, she's been a mod now for about a week or so and she has been perfectly fair and nice. In fact, much more lenient than I am. Just ask cats/niglet. :P
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: -SpectraL on October 11, 2014, 05:57:41 pm
I'd like to use a blank username and become a nobody. Just try to respond to a post made by no one. You can't do it. "Hey.. you... you... you... never mind."
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Ninja on October 11, 2014, 07:10:15 pm
1. There isn't really. Which is why it's punished.
Posting potentially embarrassing content in S&A, chemical synths or Q&A's you'd rather not be associated with in LT, procedures/tests/experiments and so on in BB, hypothetical (yeah, right) discussions in BI (Hiding behind a proxy and so on presumably. Your main account could already be compromised in that respect). Maybe you feel you have too much history/baggage with your current account and would like a fresh break but still want to keep the old one at least partially active. If someone causes mischief, shitposting, habitual derailing, ban evasion (on either account), etc..., with their alt account then that's different.
Otherwise it would seem to be a case of:
Q: 'Am I doing anything harmful?' A: 'Well, no, not at all... but we're going to fuck with you anyway.'
I suppose it's a moot point if someone has an alt with a different IP address and keeps quiet about it.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: equanimity on October 11, 2014, 09:08:52 pm
If someone wants to have something posted anonymously they're free to PM any of the mods or Arnox. Doubt anyone would take issue with posting it, so long as it was something worth posting.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: constantinople on October 11, 2014, 09:10:11 pm
Private ownership of bestiality material is not illegal in ANY of the 50 states. The ONLY territory of the United States it is illegal to privately own bestiality is...the Virgin Islands.
So Arnox, would you care to comment? I'm not trying to rabble rouse or anything, but come on. If it's not illegal why is it expressly forbidden? Being immoral is not nearly a good enough reason, 'Zek.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: fanglekai on October 12, 2014, 04:57:09 am
Private ownership of bestiality material is not illegal in ANY of the 50 states. The ONLY territory of the United States it is illegal to privately own bestiality is...the Virgin Islands.
So Arnox, would you care to comment? I'm not trying to rabble rouse or anything, but come on. If it's not illegal why is it expressly forbidden? Being immoral is not nearly a good enough reason, 'Zek.
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Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Slave of the Beast on October 12, 2014, 07:23:57 am
If someone wants to have something posted anonymously they're free to PM any of the mods or Arnox. Doubt anyone would take issue with posting it, so long as it was something worth posting.
So much for anonimity.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: equanimity on October 12, 2014, 01:56:32 pm
If someone wants to have something posted anonymously they're free to PM any of the mods or Arnox. Doubt anyone would take issue with posting it, so long as it was something worth posting.
So much for anonimity.
I felt it worked well on Zoklet, and used it once or twice. Guess maybe you don't feel like sharing the thing with ANYONE, mod or no. Would maybe be neat to have an anonymous account that anyone could log into and use, but that would just be trouble waiting to happen haha.
*shrug*
It's not something people would really do very often regardless.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Umbrella Corp on October 12, 2014, 03:09:48 pm
Rules were made to be broken.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Lanny on October 12, 2014, 03:20:18 pm
If someone wants to have something posted anonymously they're free to PM any of the mods or Arnox. Doubt anyone would take issue with posting it, so long as it was something worth posting.
So much for anonimity.
I cases where the rule was enforceable you would've lost you anonymity anyway.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: constantinople on October 12, 2014, 06:04:03 pm
If someone wants to have something posted anonymously they're free to PM any of the mods or Arnox. Doubt anyone would take issue with posting it, so long as it was something worth posting.
So much for anonimity.
If you have something to say about your sexuality that you don't want people knowing, maybe it's time you reexamined your approach and misconceptions regarding sex in general. There's nothing to be ashamed of sweetie.
And as far as posting things that are illegal, simple answer is don't do it. If you really think having an alternate account would stop LE from finding out who was posting detailed synth guides for drugs or whatever it is your so concerned about then you are absolutely insane.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: aldra on October 13, 2014, 04:42:51 am
Private ownership of bestiality material is not illegal in ANY of the 50 states. The ONLY territory of the United States it is illegal to privately own bestiality is...the Virgin Islands.
So Arnox, would you care to comment? I'm not trying to rabble rouse or anything, but come on. If it's not illegal why is it expressly forbidden? Being immoral is not nearly a good enough reason, 'Zek.
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Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Lanny on October 13, 2014, 05:44:47 am
If someone wants to have something posted anonymously they're free to PM any of the mods or Arnox. Doubt anyone would take issue with posting it, so long as it was something worth posting.
So much for anonimity.
I cases where the rule was enforceable you would've lost you anonymity anyway.
I think you're speaking English but I'd like you to confirm that for me.
If you have something to say about your sexuality that you don't want people knowing, maybe it's time you reexamined your approach and misconceptions regarding sex in general. There's nothing to be ashamed of sweetie.
I'll ignore this SJW faggotry and assume you're trying to be funny.
And as far as posting things that are illegal, simple answer is don't do it. If you really think having an alternate account would stop LE from finding out who was posting detailed synth guides for drugs or whatever it is your so concerned about then you are absolutely insane.
Maybe someone simply wouldn't want certain facets of themselves associated with one account.
Really, this isn't quantum physics.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Lanny on October 13, 2014, 04:04:48 pm
Quote
I think you're speaking English but I'd like you to confirm that for me.
First word was supposed to be "in". Not that hard to figure out.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: constantinople on October 13, 2014, 04:05:31 pm
Noone cares about what you have to hide SoTB. Trust me.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: RisiR on October 13, 2014, 04:07:40 pm
Excuse me, watching videos of people having sex with animals is not illegal.
He's not playing by the rules of the rest of the world, instead making the rules for his own website....how hard is that to understand? Scroll the fuck up, he just said a 14 year old in a bikini is "inappropriate", and you expect him to allow animal fucking? :roll:
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: xbcnfujv on October 14, 2014, 03:57:41 am
tl/dr
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Slave of the Beast on October 14, 2014, 07:13:49 am
Excuse me, watching videos of people having sex with animals is not illegal.
He's not playing by the rules of the rest of the world, instead making the rules for his own website....how hard is that to understand? Scroll the fuck up, he just said a 14 year old in a bikini is "inappropriate", and you expect him to allow animal fucking? :roll:
When you own a website you can make whatever rules for it you want. It's pretty easy to understand actually.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: DaGuru on October 14, 2014, 12:58:07 pm
When you own a website you can make whatever rules for it you want. It's pretty easy to understand actually.
Which is exactly what I just said to you in the very post you quoted...LOL! So the reason you keep droning on about the merits(?) of being able to post bestiality is because......?
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: -SpectraL on October 15, 2014, 12:15:41 am
When you own a website you can make whatever rules for it you want. It's pretty easy to understand actually.
Not true at all, and the closure of Zoklet proved it's not true. Anyone can own webspace, sure, but no one can own a community. Zok thought he owned the community and could do whatever he wanted with it, but in the end all he ended up with was what he started with: just webspace. And what good is empty webspace?
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: Rook on October 17, 2014, 06:52:29 am
When you own a website you can make whatever rules for it you want. It's pretty easy to understand actually.
Not true at all, and the closure of Zoklet proved it's not true. Anyone can own webspace, sure, but no one can own a community. Zok thought he owned the community and could do whatever he wanted with it, but in the end all he ended up with was what he started with: just webspace. And what good is empty webspace?
Creation.. Destruction.. Creation.. Circle of life, Circle of the Internet..
You can't own a community, and since it's an organic thing, you have very little control over it to begin with. But you can lead by example. There are always going to be those outliers, but if the specifications are right.. they'll either fade away or conform to the productive community.. or.. and I hate saying this.. act as a virus, turning impressionable users and ultimately eradicating another forum into a heaping cesspit.
Title: Re: It's time to review the RULES!
Post by: DaGuru on October 17, 2014, 03:08:47 pm
And that IS the whole fuckin point, Rook.....the example that Zek sets is negative and detrimental to attracting and retaining new users. Because as a mod he IS one of the supposed "leaders"(?) around here, and because of that status has more impact on the tone/pulse/direction of what "this place is about"......moreso than even a dozen of the most vocal regulars/better contributors combined.
All Zek posts about is inane immaturity, and petty silliness. The only topic I've seen him have a sincere/productive opinion on is health food. Everything else is just trolling, attention whoring nonsense....and when your answer to every topic imaginable is "let's hold hands and love will find a way", it creates an awkward and absurd environment that very few people want to be a part of, ESPECIALLY on a board that is so diverse and controversial as this.
That doesn't even include the fluff and bullshit Zek worries about....."we need Hello Kitty smilies"..."can I have my post count reset"...."I think I'll change my name today, nope lemme change it back". These are ALL spastic and immature acts of foolishness by a deranged and silly individual....and again this IS what is leading the userbase as to "what this place is about".
"Leading by example" IS the fundamental basis of everyone's gripe about Zek....and the only difference of understanding the importance of that is you erroneously put the onus of that "leadership' in the hands of the userbase, when in reality its actually in the hands of the people that DO have the status and title of leaders.