The Sanctuary
Entertainment => I Found It On The Web => Topic started by: theKit on October 08, 2014, 05:56:31 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0eVum0weKg
I do not understand why this is news. People keep posting this on facebook and when I pointed out that the fact that she decided to move to a different state just to get this pill was retarded some randoms started blasting me. I do not understand this mentality - This is not NEWS, she is not fighting for the right to die because no one is stopping her. Suicide is not fucking illegal and even if it was how does one enforce such a law? Fuck CNN.
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Self-preservation is a tough ass son of a bitch.
Imagine you're not a deranged drug addict fuck up without any regard for human life who doesn't even blink when he sees extreme torture but someone with a nice life and nice thoughts and then BAM! Terminal Cancer. 80% of this forum consists of suicidal psychos and we are all still alive.
"Just fucking kill yourself". Yea, no, it's not that easy. Getting medical help to kill yourself should be a fucking right. I can't imagine how it would feel to swallow that single pill and know it's over, though. I probably wouldn't have the guts to swallow it but yea, I think it's a good thing.
Even the most simple of living organisms, such as single-celled bacteria, are typically under intense selective pressure to evolve a response to avoid a damaging environment, if such an environment exists. Self-preservation is therefore an almost universal hallmark of life.
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Getting the pill from a medical professional vs buying it on the net - you still have to take the pill yourself. No institution should be forced to kill you just because you're too pussy to do it yourself.
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You're an idiot.
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and you lost this argument in exactly one post.
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Wait, if we have these magic, painless, life-ending pills, why aren't they being used for executions? Why are we getting all of these painful fuck-ups on death row?
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Oh no, looks like I'll have to move to suicide pill city now. :facepalm:
Have you ever been to a hospital or trusted a doctor?
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Wait, if we have these magic, painless, life-ending pills, why aren't they being used for executions? Why are we getting all of these painful fuck-ups on death row?
This is a good fucking question.
I'm not sure what RisR is imply with his last post. But I'm assuming the first line is sarcastic so it agrees with my assertion that this bitch is retarded to moving just got get a pill she could have got in the mail. The second line - Yes and No. Fuck doctors they make mistakes too which makes this bitch even more dumb for going on vacation and offing herself instead of making that baby she said she wanted.
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True, doctors can be huge shitheads but normal people trust them and that white coats comfort them.
Kicking the stool because you are The Duke and getting a Euthanasia treatment from professionals because you have terminal cancer are not really comparable anyway.
What a fucking piece of shit bitches about a girl with cancer that wants to die in a controlled environment?
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This is the issue that prompted this thread - I NEVER SAID SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO OFF HERSELF. The News use these fucking tear jerking circumstances and peoples brains just shut off. I'm talking about CNN - I'm talking about the law - Not this dumb bitch. Anytime someone says something negative about ANYTHING associated with this news bait you get this ridiculous response from idiots.
Is it also not retarded they didn't wait until she was actually dead to release this? What if she changes her mind? Now I'm sure she feels obligated to kill herself now that shes being seen as this human rights martyr.
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You watch CNN and then you bitch about it. You're an idiot.
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Suicide actually is illegal in most states.
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If you find out you have a terminal illness that there is no cure for and fail to commit suicide, they most likely give you a 5150 and if you try it again while in the facility, they put you in restraints or lock you in a safe room where you have to listen to the thoughts in your head and you wait there like a piece of meat until you finally get the 3rd chance to do it again. Amurica
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It doesn't seem fair for any of us to judge her in her decision of moving to Oregon to go through with this her way. We don't know her circumstances, but it's her life to live as she sees fit. A lot of people take issue with breaking the law, and that's okay.
One news story that didn't get the attention it deserved imo was the death of Sandra Bem. World famous psychologist opted to go this route the illegal way, purchased the stuff online and died peacefully surrounded by family. More states should adopt this law that Oregon and other progressive countries have. Kinda think it's an inevitability now though. As time goes on the number of old people grows, and already we lack the resources to care for them. Something has to change, and if they choose to end their own lives then this an option that really should be available to them.
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Yeah, it should be a right for you to have someone else have to kill you because you can't fucking do it yourself. :rolleyes:
If you don't wanna live, that's your own problem, not someone else's. I can only see it being ethically-acceptable if you don't have any friends/family, but to put those people through your suicide, that's a pretty fucking shitty thing to do to your family. Of course, there can be (albeit few) exceptions, but only in the most extreme cases could I see it not being the most selfish decision someone could ever make.
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Yeah, it should be a right for you to have someone else have to kill you because you can't fucking do it yourself. :rolleyes:
If you don't wanna live, that's your own problem, not someone else's.
RisiR was right when he said that suicide is hard to get done, even when it's the best option. Self-preservation is indeed a bitch. And without these safe means of suicide, a person attempting suicide runs the risk of ending up alive with terrible brain damage, or of leaving behind a hideous mess.
Why should this not be an option?
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We do have the right to judge her since she got her pompous ass on TV and decided to do this herpie derp immam goink to killink myselF tO chanGing teh Law
No one is restricting her rights to kill herself, she is perfectly able to do so at any time. What is pissing me off is the fact that the media chose the wrong poster child for their cause just because they can make her story all 'beautiful' - Fuck. That. Fuck. Her. Show me the guy who is paralyzed from the neck down, begging for an end where everyone ignores him. Show me the stage 5 patients who're pissing and shitting themselves who demand a REAL dignified end.
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Yeah, it should be a right for you to have someone else have to kill you because you can't fucking do it yourself. :rolleyes:
If you don't wanna live, that's your own problem, not someone else's.
RisiR was right when he said that suicide is hard to get done, even when it's the best option. Self-preservation is indeed a bitch. And without these safe means of suicide, a person attempting suicide runs the risk of ending up alive with terrible brain damage, or of leaving behind a hideous mess.
Why should this not be an option?
Why do people keep doing this? If you can't bring yourself to kill yourself, then you really haven't decided to kill yourself - forcing someone else to do it is wrong. If you can't get your ass on the internet, order a pill and drink you - you suck at life AND death and deserve to live and suffer through your illness. Death is a personal affair and it should be left that way.
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Wonder how many of those people got that prescription just so they could slip it to somebody else
Wonder what that pill is made of. Probably methylfentanyl or something
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Wonder how many of those people got that prescription just so they could slip it to somebody else
Wonder what that pill is made of. Probably methylfentanyl or something
Nembutal
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Because if you are going to do it, you should pick a surefire way to do it. Go ahead, be lazy, but you'll pay for it. If you're going to fuck over your family and have complete and total disregard for their feelings (particularly your parents), at least pay them back for all the money it cost to raise your disrespectful ass and then do the fucking deed. Nobody should be subjected to your unwillingness to live. I'm not trying to be a moralfag, but for people who actually do have feelings and care about you, it's just human psychology and it's nobody's fault that you don't care about them the same way they care about you. Again, as I said, of course there are exceptions but only in the most extreme of cases.
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Because if you are going to do it, you should pick a surefire way to do it. Go ahead, be lazy, but you'll pay for it. If you're going to fuck over your family and have complete and total disregard for their feelings (particularly your parents), at least pay them back for all the money it cost to raise your disrespectful ass and then do the fucking deed. Nobody should be subjected to your unwillingness to live. I'm not trying to be a moralfag, but for people who actually do have feelings and care about you, it's just human psychology and it's nobody's fault that you don't care about them the same way they care about you. Again, as I said, of course there are exceptions but only in the most extreme of cases.
Y'know, from a personal standpoint I agree with you. I've been suicidal for years but if I had to choose between me going through hell or my mom, I would and will always choose me.
Though, terminal fucking cancer is an extreme case in my opinion.
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Too be honest, I haven't watched your stupid video because I already have an opinion in this so yea..
forcing someone else to do it is wrong. If you can't get your ass on the internet, order a pill and drink you - you suck at life AND death and deserve to live and suffer through your illness. Death is a personal affair and it should be left that way.
We are talking about trained professionals. It's also wrong to force someone to cut open your stomach and remove a part of your colon but guess what, doctors - trained professionals - do that shit every day. There's a lot more to well done euthanasia treatment than some bum in a hospital handing you a pill and a glass of water. In most cases it involves the whole family or parts of it which get mental support through the whole procedure and after.
Fuck. That. Fuck. Her. Show me the guy who is paralyzed from the neck down, begging for an end where everyone ignores him. Show me the stage 5 patients who're pissing and shitting themselves who demand a REAL dignified end.
I've seen them, I've cared for them, I heard them beg and saw them cry but I HAD to ignore them because of anti euthanasia laws. Keeping people alive connected to machines, making them suffer every second of every day till they are 100 years old just for profit. Yea, that's some great ethics.
Here are some quotes.
The first apparent usage of the term "euthanasia" belongs to the historian Suetonius who described how the Emperor Augustus, "dying quickly and without suffering in the arms of his wife, Livia, experienced the 'euthanasia' he had wished for."
The word "euthanasia" was first used in a medical context by Francis Bacon in the 17th century, to refer to an easy, painless, happy death, during which it was a "physician's responsibility to alleviate the 'physical sufferings' of the body."
Fuck. You.
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OP, I understand what you're saying, but her goal is probably to raise awareness, and this does do that effectively. Unfortunately most people are largely driven by emotions, and appeals to emotion work in order to get things done.
It is really stupid to go to another state for a pill when an exit bag is a much better and readily available method, but not everyone is aware of this method or has the intelligence or habits that will lead them to finding this information (Fucking google it! "Painless way to commit suicide" "Best way to commit suicide". Not that I care about idiots, but then again, something could cause you to be unable to.) but not everyone is able to go to other state, which is why supporters may argue that it's important to have a right to die wherever you are. Something could also suddenly occur putting you in a state where you'd desire death quickly at the hospital, knowing you wouldn't get better or survive.
Because if you are going to do it, you should pick a surefire way to do it. Go ahead, be lazy, but you'll pay for it. If you're going to fuck over your family and have complete and total disregard for their feelings (particularly your parents), at least pay them back for all the money it cost to raise your disrespectful ass and then do the fucking deed. Nobody should be subjected to your unwillingness to live. I'm not trying to be a moralfag, but for people who actually do have feelings and care about you, it's just human psychology and it's nobody's fault that you don't care about them the same way they care about you. Again, as I said, of course there are exceptions but only in the most extreme of cases.
Oh, fuck you, did someone kill themselves and make you cry?
The selfishness argument is hypocritical, why is it more selfish to end your life and unfortunately possibly hurt the emotions of others, which you have no control over, than it is to expect someone to potentially live the rest of their life in horrendous physical or psychological torment? Why aren't you the selfish one for expecting them to keep suffering just to spare your feelings? Have you ever thought of that?
And I hope you aren't going to do the "man up"/"get over it" route as an argument, because that's one of the stupidest things you can say to a person that's depressed and signals a complete lack of understanding of clinical depression and the biological roots it can have.
Everyone should read this, his books as well if you're particularly interested in the subject: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126365907
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No, nobody that was ever close to me committed suicide, but three of some of my closest friends have been killed, but that has no bearing on my argument whatsoever. Nobody forced doctors to be doctors, they help people LIVE, they know the job entails surgery and if you're dying, they have an obligation to do what they can to prevent that. That makes them feel good. It would be wrong to force a doctor to kill you. It's one thing if you're suffering from debilitating chronic pain and there is essentially no fucking hope for you, but if you're just being an emo faggot and can't handle your girlfriend's breakup with your faggot ass, a doctor shouldn't be forced to even waste his time with your fucking waste of organic matter of a self.
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all women are whores
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No, nobody that was ever close to me committed suicide, but three of some of my closest friends have been killed, but that has no bearing on my argument whatsoever. Nobody forced doctors to be doctors, they help people LIVE, they know the job entails surgery and if you're dying, they have an obligation to do what they can to prevent that.That makes them feel good. It would be wrong to force a doctor to kill you. It's one thing if you're suffering from debilitating chronic pain and there is essentially no fucking hope for you, but if you're just being an emo faggot and can't handle your girlfriend's breakup with your faggot ass, a doctor shouldn't be forced to even waste his time with your fucking waste of organic matter of a self.
Have you ever been a health professional? Y'know, because you act like the spokesperson of... well, every doctor in the world. You don't know shit, trust me.
It's one thing if you're suffering from debilitating chronic pain and there is essentially no fucking hope for you, but if you're just being an emo faggot and can't handle your girlfriend's breakup with your faggot ass, a doctor shouldn't be forced to even waste his time with your fucking waste of organic matter of a self.
Yea, dude, because it's that easy to get euthanasia treatment. Well, maybe it is in your shithole country but so be it. Good for the rest of the world.
Is it also wrong to "force" a vetenarian to put down dogs, cats and other pets? Is that wrong, too?
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No, nobody that was ever close to me committed suicide, but three of some of my closest friends have been killed, but that has no bearing on my argument whatsoever. Nobody forced doctors to be doctors, they help people LIVE, they know the job entails surgery and if you're dying, they have an obligation to do what they can to prevent that. That makes them feel good. It would be wrong to force a doctor to kill you. It's one thing if you're suffering from debilitating chronic pain and there is essentially no fucking hope for you, but if you're just being an emo faggot and can't handle your girlfriend's breakup with your faggot ass, a doctor shouldn't be forced to even waste his time with your fucking waste of organic matter of a self.
No one's really discussing suicide of young, healthy individuals here. This is all about the elderly and infirm, usually with diseases affecting the brain.
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Too be honest, I haven't watched your stupid video because I already have an opinion in this so yea..
forcing someone else to do it is wrong. If you can't get your ass on the internet, order a pill and drink you - you suck at life AND death and deserve to live and suffer through your illness. Death is a personal affair and it should be left that way.
We are talking about trained professionals. It's also wrong to force someone to cut open your stomach and remove a part of your colon but guess what, doctors - trained professionals - do that shit every day. There's a lot more to well done euthanasia treatment than some bum in a hospital handing you a pill and a glass of water. In most cases it involves the whole family or parts of it which get mental support through the whole procedure and after.
Fuck. That. Fuck. Her. Show me the guy who is paralyzed from the neck down, begging for an end where everyone ignores him. Show me the stage 5 patients who're pissing and shitting themselves who demand a REAL dignified end.
I've seen them, I've cared for them, I heard them beg and saw them cry but I HAD to ignore them because of anti euthanasia laws. Keeping people alive connected to machines, making them suffer every second of every day till they are 100 years old just for profit. Yea, that's some great ethics.
Here are some quotes.
The first apparent usage of the term "euthanasia" belongs to the historian Suetonius who described how the Emperor Augustus, "dying quickly and without suffering in the arms of his wife, Livia, experienced the 'euthanasia' he had wished for."
The word "euthanasia" was first used in a medical context by Francis Bacon in the 17th century, to refer to an easy, painless, happy death, during which it was a "physician's responsibility to alleviate the 'physical sufferings' of the body."
Fuck. You.
How are you going to even comment in this thread without watching the video? You have no idea what is being discussed here you stupid fuck. Your comparison is utter shit for the fact that 1) Normal people are not able to preform surgery on themselves - normal people such as the woman in the video (which you didn't watch) IS able to kill herself. 2) Preforming surgery on someone is an act of SAVING a life not ENDING one.
If you had watched the video you wouldn't have even made the second part of your comment - No one is arguing that those people don't deserve assistance dying - The bitch in the video ( which you didn't watch ) is perfectly able to kill herself yet she decided to go on tv and try and be a martyr for a category of people which she does not accurately represent. - Then she goes rock climbing in Cambodia.
John Smith - You are correct but the way CNN went about it is fucking bullshit. Now not only can this woman NOT change her mind about killing herself next month, for those who THINK about it - she is a shitty rep for this cause as NO ONE IS DENYING HER THE RIGHT TO DIE TO BEGIN WITH. The whole point is to raise awareness and change the law so assisted suicide for people who can't do it themselves becomes legal. - So why not interview someone who wants to die who can't do it themselves? Ill tell you why, because CNN sees a perfectly able bodied young woman with whom they can make a 'beautiful little story' with pictures and dreams and blah blah bullshit out of when in reality, the people who need these laws are stuck in bed, attached to machines, paralyzed, old and decrepit.
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I've watched the video now. You're an idiot.
If that chick raises the awerness which will lead to a change of laws it's great. Fuck CNN but double fuck your whiny tantrum you little bitch. What have you ever tried to change in your life that had such a significance? Fucking nothing, that's what. You spew hate about a girl with brain cancer that tries to advocate something that's literally called "Good death" and oh no, what a fucking bitch, she tries to enjoy the last few days of her life by doing things she likes. Kill her! Oh wait no.. don't kill her, that's morally wrong. :facepalm:
Death is a personal affair and it should be left that way.
Alright then how about you shut the fuck up about other people's personal affairs? Fucking idiot.
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RisiR has been the voice of reason in this thread.
I feel dirty for saying that.
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Nice try dodging the questions directed at you, faggot.
The selfishness argument is hypocritical, why is it more selfish to end your life and unfortunately possibly hurt the emotions of others, which you have no control over, than it is to expect someone to potentially live the rest of their life in horrendous physical or psychological torment? Why aren't you the selfish one for expecting them to keep suffering just to spare your feelings? Have you ever thought of that?
Is it also wrong to "force" a vetenarian to put down dogs, cats and other pets? Is that wrong, too?
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So why not interview someone who wants to die who can't do it themselves? Ill tell you why, because CNN sees a perfectly able bodied young woman with whom they can make a 'beautiful little story' with pictures and dreams and blah blah bullshit out of when in reality, the people who need these laws are stuck in bed, attached to machines, paralyzed, old and decrepit.
Poster girls. Movements need a pretty face. It's a strategic decision or natural outcome that comes about based on human psychology, shaped by evolutionary pressures. The kinds of people you mentioned aren't going to make very good interview subjects, have limited mobility, and will depress people, which may be a less effective strategy.
That's life, not everyone is like you, not everyone is the way you'd like them to ideally be.
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God damn I thought that we as a society would have settled this by now. I live in the same area that Kevorkian operated out of. I actually met the man just walking down the street once.
Kevorkian had it right, he was helping people who were incapable of ending their lives themselves. Most were elderly enough to not even know what a google is, all were terminal and suffering. The one person he got convicted on was so weak they couldn't even push the button on the suicide machine themselves. He was very cautious about choosing patients that were clear headed and could make a rational decision, not just depressed and wanting it to be over.
The Hippocratic oath includes "first, do no harm," but at what point is forcing someone to live the more harmful action?
I absolutely support a person's right to commit a medically assisted suicide, and I also think that a prerequisite should be a psychological evaluation to determine that the person is capable of making the decision.
I have a friend who has tried to kill himself a couple of times. Thank [insert deity here] that he's a fuckup, and failed both times. But if he was suffering and terminal, I'd be first in line to help him get it right.
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I have a friend who has tried to kill himself a couple of times. Thank [insert deity here] that he's a fuckup, and failed both times. But if he was suffering and terminal, I'd be first in line to help him get it right.
I'd say a person who tries to end their life on two occassions is suffering. Y'know, I think the reason is secundary. When you are depressed and suicidal you're not automatically a whiny pussy who is too weak for life. I have clinical depression and am suicidal for example. I'm not a bitch, though. I know bad days, I know the loss of loved ones, I know physical illness and pain. I know that's life that's why I can say being depressed is not having a bad day or grief. It's not being too weak to handle the toughness of life - I've been through all of that shit like everyone else - It's living life with all of it's hardships and an immunity to derive pleasure from anything on the good side of life. Sometimes to the point where you completely forget that there's a good side at all. And that's when you just want to end it all. It doesn't matter what caused the final decision. Maybe it is heartbreak, grief or weakness, maybe it's just a rainy day. It doesn't matter what causes you too lose sight of the good side but once it's gone you need to be tougher than nails to stay in this shit, I can tell you that.
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I have a friend who has tried to kill himself a couple of times. Thank [insert deity here] that he's a fuckup, and failed both times. But if he was suffering and terminal, I'd be first in line to help him get it right.
I'd say a person who tries to end their life on two occassions is suffering. Y'know, I think the reason is secundary. When you are depressed and suicidal you're not automatically a whiny pussy who is too weak for life. I have clinical depression and am suicidal for example. I'm not a bitch, though. I know bad days, I know the loss of loved ones, I know physical illness and pain. I know that's life that's why I can say being depressed is not having a bad day or grief. It's not being too weak to handle the toughness of life - I've been through all of that shit like everyone else - It's living life with all of it's hardships and an immunity to derive pleasure from anything on the good side of life. Sometimes to the point where you completely forget that there's a good side at all. And that's when you just want to end it all. It doesn't matter what caused the final decision. Maybe it is heartbreak, grief or weakness, maybe it's just a rainy day. It doesn't matter what causes you too lose sight of the good side but once it's gone you need to be tougher than nails to stay in this shit, I can tell you that.
Wow RisiR. You really get it.
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Thank you but in this special case I'd rather not understand it if you get what I mean.
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I'd say a person who tries to end their life on two occassions is suffering.
How many times must someone attempt suicide before they just become a fucking nuisance?
I once had an acquaintance at school who by the time he reached 15 was claiming on a more-or-less monthly basis that he 'tried to commit sucide over the weekend'. After four months of his bullshit I accused him of being incompetent and advised him on the most effective way of killing himself painlessly with a 100% chance of dying if performed correctly. He got really upset and didn't speak to me after that. I was so glad, from my point of view it was almost as good as if he'd finally killed himself.
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I'd say a person who tries to end their life on two occassions is suffering.
How many times must someone attempt suicide before they just become a fucking nuisance?
I once had an acquaintance at school who by the time he reached 15 was claiming on a more-or-less monthly basis that he 'tried to commit sucide over the weekend'. After four months of his bullshit I accused him of being incompetent and advised him on the most effective way of killing himself painlessly with a 100% chance of dying if performed correctly. He got really upset and didn't speak to me after that. I was so glad, from my point of view it was almost as good as if he'd finally killed himself.
I think it's wrong to generalize whole groups of people so I don't know. I mean most people are idiots, depressed or not. If you fail a suicide attempt and talk about it casually you're a fucking idiot.
If you fail more than two times with the same method you're probably not the brightest, either.
Now that I think of it none of the smart people I know who off'ed themselves failed their attempts. Hmmm...
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One of the smartest people I've known failed at least 2 attempts before managing to "get it right".
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There's always the exception to the rule.
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One of the smartest people I've known failed at least 2 attempts before managing to "get it right".
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Well, that's relative intelligence for you.
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It was two different methods. The first time he cut his wrists, but apparently no one ever told him that 'it's down the road, not across the street'. The second time he put a knife to his chest and ran into a wall. Actually nicked his heart.
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Shit, that made me laugh.
The second time he put a knife to his chest and ran into a wall.
Good stuff. :tup:
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Suicide actually is illegal in most states.
i doubt you will go to jail for trying to kill yourself , just the mental health ward
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At least in jail you know when you're getting out. They can keep you in the psych ward as long as they damn well please. There's cases where someone had a bad trip, for a couple hours, and spent the next 40 years being poked at by shrinks.