Carnality => Better Living Through Chemistry => Topic started by: millionsofdeadcats on October 03, 2014, 10:22:51 pm
Title: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 03, 2014, 10:22:51 pm
I know this is a very old subject, and many years ago I stripped all shelves within north central indiana of any poppy seeds that were worth a damn. A day came where even the dependable sources didn't work anymore...I am not sure if they harvested them different or what they changed about them, but they were just different.
But this evening I was at a store where I used to buy seeds, and I have no idea why, but I took the top off of a container and smelled them.....and I smelled potential. I can sort of tell by the smell of them if they are good or not, the no-good ones have more of a 'green' smell, and the good ones smell more 'woody'.
In about an hour I am going to break out the funnel and two liter bottle and maybe get high as fuck.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: RisiR on October 03, 2014, 10:31:48 pm
Y'know what they changed? They started washing the seeds before shipping them. That's all.
There were still tiny bits of opium on the seeds and junkies all around the world knew that and made disgusting tasting opium poppy tea from OTC poppy seeds. Then the companies noticed that and started washing the seeds completely clean off of all opiates so they could get even richer and the consumer got fucked.
Good luck. Maybe you got a "dirty" batch.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 03, 2014, 10:48:53 pm
Y'know what they changed? They started washing the seeds before shipping them. That's all.
There were still tiny bits of opium on the seeds and junkies all around the world knew that and made disgusting tasting opium poppy tea from OTC poppy seeds. Then the companies noticed that and started washing the seeds completely clean off of all opiates so they could get even richer and the consumer got fucked.
Good luck. Maybe you got a "dirty" batch.
I don't think they actually 'washed' them, I heard that they harvest them differently. If they did wash them, it would cost a fuck-ton and also be prone to mold.
PS these seeds are fucking good as fuck. I typed elsewhere that methadone was my drug of choice, well I lied. Poppy seeds 4 life, yo. I have never had any other opiate that makes waves of pleasure run down my arms and legs and all I can do is lay on the floor and say 'oh my god' over and over again.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: Obbe on October 03, 2014, 10:56:27 pm
This isn't something that should be done regularly due to the heavy metals in those seeds, which end up accumulating in your body. If this is something you plan on doing regularly, I recommend switching to poppy pods, although I do not know where you can acquire them other than growing.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 03, 2014, 11:00:23 pm
I do not plan on regularly using these, I had a serious prescription opioid habit for many years. This will be a saturday night thing.
*one week later I'm living under a bridge
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: RisiR on October 03, 2014, 11:00:55 pm
Ok fuck you, now I want some of that. Fuck.
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Seeds may also be used in large quantities to produce a decoction by agitating them in a solution of slightly acidified water. There are also reports of using plain tap water in the process of making poppy tea with seeds. This consists of washing the seeds of opium residue that has coated the outer part of the seeds during processing from the pod. Processing includes crushing the fresh pod, to release the seeds thus causing some opium from the pod to come into contact with the seeds. Untreated poppy seeds may contain upwards of 330–515 mg of morphine and 75–200 mg of codeine per kilo of seeds, whereas most seeds available commercially have been washed which cuts the alkaloid content by 50 per cent or more; this adds even more to the batch-to-batch variability in content, as noted below with respect to the California overdose case.
Don't die, nigger.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 03, 2014, 11:05:02 pm
Seeds may also be used in large quantities to produce a decoction by agitating them in a solution of slightly acidified water. There are also reports of using plain tap water in the process of making poppy tea with seeds. This consists of washing the seeds of opium residue that has coated the outer part of the seeds during processing from the pod. Processing includes crushing the fresh pod, to release the seeds thus causing some opium from the pod to come into contact with the seeds. Untreated poppy seeds may contain upwards of 330–515 mg of morphine and 75–200 mg of codeine per kilo of seeds, whereas most seeds available commercially have been washed which cuts the alkaloid content by 50 per cent or more; this adds even more to the batch-to-batch variability in content, as noted below with respect to the California overdose case.
Don't die, nigger.
back when I was addicted I would do 2 lbs of seeds at a time. I did 6 oz. this time.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: Obbe on October 03, 2014, 11:08:14 pm
I do not plan on regularly using these, I had a serious prescription opioid habit for many years. This will be a saturday night thing.
*one week later I'm living under a bridge
Once a week (a saturday night thing) is regularly. Now I don't know how fast these heavy metals can accumulate or how quickly they can affect your health. I don't really care what you do. I just want you to know that using this stuff once a week, again and again and again, will have an adverse effect on your health, and that there are healthier (but probably more expensive) options available out there, somewhere.
What amount do you plan on using for 1 dose? With the brand I was using, years and years ago, I would use about 300 g per dose.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 03, 2014, 11:16:41 pm
I do not plan on regularly using these, I had a serious prescription opioid habit for many years. This will be a saturday night thing.
*one week later I'm living under a bridge
Once a week (a saturday night thing) is regularly. Now I don't know how fast these heavy metals can accumulate or how quickly they can affect your health. I don't really care what you do. I just want you to know that using this stuff once a week, again and again and again, will have an adverse effect on your health, and that their are healthier (but probably more expensive) options available out there, somewhere.
What amount do you plan on using for 1 dose? With the brand I was using, years and years ago, I would use about 300 g per dose.
The strongest seeds I ever found required about 6 oz. to work. The ones I have now, I used to have to extract from at least a pound and a half to get high. Tonight I took 6 oz. worth and I am feeling pretty good.
And heavy metals? It kinda doesn't matter. I live in one of the more polluted cities in the US, plus I have worked in factories and aluminum foundries for years, so I am probably riddled with heavy metals already.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: RisiR on October 03, 2014, 11:31:07 pm
\m/ Rock on!
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: arleybob on October 03, 2014, 11:32:28 pm
I've been making tea from Safeway-brand poppy seeds lately lol. Made some last two nights in a row. First night it gave me excruciating stomach pain which eventually faded to something kind of nice and buzzy. Last night had a bit of discomfort but it was warded off with two TUMS and some food. It actually works, even Safeway brand, though I've found the itch-to-pleasure ratio to be unfairly heavy on the itch side.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 03, 2014, 11:38:45 pm
I just use a piece of paper, an empty two liter dr. pepper bottle, and some tap water. I roll the paper into a funnel, stick it in the bottle, pour all the seeds in, then put water in the bottle, shake it up for 30 seconds, then loosen the lid and squirt it into a cup. I repeat two or three times and collect all the seed water, then drink it.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: RisiR on October 03, 2014, 11:46:34 pm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_tea
Get more bang for your buck by using acidic water and mix it with grapefruit juice CYP inhibition.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: kroz on October 03, 2014, 11:48:52 pm
I just use a piece of paper, an empty two liter dr. pepper bottle, and some tap water. I roll the paper into a funnel, stick it in the bottle, pour all the seeds in, then put water in the bottle, shake it up for 30 seconds, then loosen the lid and squirt it into a cup. I repeat two or three times and collect all the seed water, then drink it.
i use a funnel because im not a nigger
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 03, 2014, 11:59:49 pm
My kitchen funnels are all too small, and I am not using my garage funnel. Plus I can find a piece of paper anywhere, even when I am not at home. Finding a funnel on the go isn't that easy.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 04, 2014, 12:02:40 am
I am high as fuck, btw. If any of you out there are fans of seeds, and you haven't checked in a while, maybe you should.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: RisiR on October 04, 2014, 12:06:03 am
I will for sure.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: arleybob on October 04, 2014, 12:12:48 am
I am high as fuck, btw. If any of you out there are fans of seeds, and you haven't checked in a while, maybe you should.
Do you get your seeds from the neighbourhood grocery store or from some bulk/organic place? The latter is what's always recommended but I can't even find one in my city that sells worthwhile seeds whereas my local chain grocery's seeds have actually worked much to my surprise.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: mashleshmash on October 04, 2014, 12:27:58 am
RisiR if they're using this method, thesy best know about potentiation
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: RisiR on October 04, 2014, 12:29:47 am
Truedat.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 04, 2014, 12:30:55 am
I used to get them at these places: kroger grocery store, gordons food service (a food wholesaler that has a grocery section open to the public) martin's grocery store (this place had seeds twice as strong as anywhere else), rural king, and an amish store that I forget the name right now, but it is way out in the middle of nowhere.
It has been at least 5 years, probably more, since any of these places had good seeds. They changed somehow. But I checked one place and they worked again. I am not sure I want to go check around town for seeds, as I don't plan on getting addicted yet again. But, I have a feeling that however they changed the seeds, it cost them money, and as soon as the 'publicity' about the seeds faded, they went back to the cheaper ones that we like.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 04, 2014, 12:34:29 am
RisiR if they're using this method, thesy best know about potentiation
Why do you say this? In my experience, there is no need to potentiate, as I have never had any opioid in pill form that is as euphoric as this stuff. I have never successfully IV'ed opiates so some may scoff at what I type, but I have spent years being prescribed various serious opioids, so I am not dismissing the advice RisiR gave me casually or anything.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: kroz on October 04, 2014, 12:37:27 am
^^^^fag
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 04, 2014, 12:39:55 am
Is there something you would like to discuss with me, kroz?
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: RisiR on October 04, 2014, 12:41:24 am
Maybe they grew a different strain and switched back. Here in Germany farmers are only allowed to grow the strains Papaver Somniferum Mieszko and Papaver Somniferum Zeno morphex because they contain almost no alkaloids at all. In Austria and the Czech Republic, though. They don't give a fuck. That's were you used to get the dirtiest batches from, the Czech Republic. They didn't wash anything off but maybe I'm wrong and it still works. Will try for sure.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: arleybob on October 04, 2014, 12:44:12 am
I've found that adding lemon juice seems to help but also gives me stomach pain. But no juice, no pleasure... no pain, no gain.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: Bart the General on October 04, 2014, 12:44:24 am
I grew a poppy in my window before and it came up strong then me and my roommate got paranoid and threw them and the lil 420 plantz out, lol
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 04, 2014, 12:47:03 am
Maybe they grew a different strain and switched back. Here in Germany farmers are only allowed to grow the strains Papaver Somniferum Mieszko and Papaver Somniferum Zeno morphex because they contain almost no alkaloids at all. In Austria and the Czech Republic, though. They don't give a fuck. That's were you used to get the dirtiest batches from, the Czech Republic. They didn't wash anything off but maybe I'm wrong and it still works. Will try for sure.
The seeds that didn't work smell distinctly different than the ones that work well. The strongest seeds I ever had smelled like those peanuts with the red skins, and had a 'nail polish remover' taste to the wash.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: Dionysus on October 07, 2014, 12:22:03 am
This isn't something that should be done regularly due to the heavy metals in those seeds, which end up accumulating in your body. If this is something you plan on doing regularly, I recommend switching to poppy pods, although I do not know where you can acquire them other than growing.
Source?
From what I understand, the heavy metals accumulate in the seeds, and the opium latex is unlikely to have any excess heavy metals. If you are doing it properly, you shouldn't ingest any of the seeds. I mean if pods don't have the heavy metal, but seeds do then I would assume the accumulation is localized in the seeds, and not the opium latex.
Also, anyone who isn't getting high is doing it wrong. If you do it properly/do enough/got active seeds you are essentially drinking opium. It is comparable to any other strong opiate I have taken, except that it is legal, cheap and available everywhere. I like to think of it like this generations Benzedrine.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: arleybob on October 07, 2014, 12:29:12 am
I had some tonight, either not doing enough or getting the wrong kind... usually buy seven 75g bags but tonight only got six. Still something buzzy but nothing too intense. I've been getting it from a big name chain grocery store and they work 7/10 times, nothing crazy though. Funny enough, I bought the same amount from a higher-end cooking store and those didn't work a single bit. Next stop is the organic bulk store which has *ORGANIC* plastered all over their seed bags. That sounds like my best bet.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: Dionysus on October 07, 2014, 01:32:23 am
I had some tonight, either not doing enough or getting the wrong kind... usually buy seven 75g bags but tonight only got six. Still something buzzy but nothing too intense. I've been getting it from a big name chain grocery store and they work 7/10 times, nothing crazy though. Funny enough, I bought the same amount from a higher-end cooking store and those didn't work a single bit. Next stop is the organic bulk store which has *ORGANIC* plastered all over their seed bags. That sounds like my best bet.
I personally find that bulk, non brand seeds are most effective. Hoyts also work fine, at least in Australia. I wouldn't touch anything organic or gourmet, since they are expensive, usually spiced with something else and probably the least active. I would recommend that someone who isn't opiate naive buy at least half a kilo. Empty a large plastic soda bottle, funnel the seeds into it, fill with cold tap water, shake for 3-5 minutes, loosen lid, strain out, repeat 1 or 2 more times depending on how desperate you are. It never hurts to potentate, but given the cost /strength ratio of the drug (when done properly) it's probably overkill unless you have a large tolerance.
I tend to mix it with cordial, and sip it slowly over the night. I think that taking it that way makes it much more of a session that you can do socially if they are into it, plus it means that I am usually more inclined to do stuff while I am slowly getting high over a few hours.
I dunno why I am even talking about this. The more people who do it, the more likely it gets media or government attention. I am going to be pissed off if they ever control or outlaw it.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: arleybob on October 07, 2014, 02:48:35 am
I think you're okay to talk about it as long as you're not advertising all over the Internet a particular brand. Bob's Red Mill has apparently fallen victim to this kind of treatment - was once (and could still be) the go-to brand for unwashed seeds until tea drinkers all over the Internet made it obvious that that's what they were using the seeds for. Now the company apparently takes more care in washing the seeds.
As for your recipe, that's exactly what I do. So easy anybody could do it. The only drawback is frequently going to the grocery store and buying nothing but 6+ bags of poppy seeds and a 2L bottle of soda. Nobody's said anything so far though I'm sure people have wondered.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on October 07, 2014, 02:54:23 am
The only drawback is frequently going to the grocery store and buying nothing but 6+ bags of poppy seeds and a 2L bottle of soda. Nobody's said anything so far though I'm sure people have wondered.
Tell them you are making makowiec
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Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: Dionysus on October 07, 2014, 03:12:12 am
I think you're okay to talk about it as long as you're not advertising all over the Internet a particular brand. Bob's Red Mill has apparently fallen victim to this kind of treatment - was once (and could still be) the go-to brand for unwashed seeds until tea drinkers all over the Internet made it obvious that that's what they were using the seeds for. Now the company apparently takes more care in washing the seeds.
As for your recipe, that's exactly what I do. So easy anybody could do it. The only drawback is frequently going to the grocery store and buying nothing but 6+ bags of poppy seeds and a 2L bottle of soda. Nobody's said anything so far though I'm sure people have wondered.
If anyone ever asks I tell them I am doing a collage with them as an art project, or if I see them frequently that my roommate is a baker and he has a late night commission. You don't need to say shit to a cashier though. Given the bizarre shit people buy at supermarkets, you would hope they have a policy of discretion.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: arleybob on October 07, 2014, 11:07:30 am
Yeah it doesn't seem like they'd be in a position to question you and even if they do it wouldn't be hard to come up with some bullshit. You could literally say anything except that you're making tea with it and that should be enough.
Title: Re: Poppy seeds
Post by: Dionysus on October 07, 2014, 12:08:30 pm
Yeah it doesn't seem like they'd be in a position to question you and even if they do it wouldn't be hard to come up with some bullshit. You could literally say anything except that you're making tea with it and that should be enough.
Well, if they know what it is, it's probably cause they are looking up how to get high anyways. The guy we buy bulk from is totally aware that we are getting high. He want's us to show him how to do it. It is nice not to live a lie anymore.