“We have identified kratom as a botanical substance that poses a risk to public health and has the potential for abuse,” said Melinda Plaisier, the FDA’s associate commissioner for regulatory affairs. “This action was taken to safeguard the public from this dangerous product, and FDA will continue to take aggressive enforcement actions against products that are promoted for uses that are unapproved.”
The FDA is fed up with mindless idiots making the claims that this herb can be a natural pain killer/stimulant and this is exactly what put kratom on their radar in the first place. Capsules, extracts, flashy packaging it's all to blame. Market it as a non-consumable for Christ's sake!
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Post by: RisiR on September 26, 2014, 11:52:50 pm
Imagine the constipation you'd get after consuming 25.000 pounds of Kratom.
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Post by: RustyShackleford on September 27, 2014, 12:00:22 am
LoL that they consider kratom a new drug. Piggies piggy backing on the RC craze I see.
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Post by: Daran on September 27, 2014, 03:19:09 am
I heard about this at the local kava watering hole. It's becoming so god-damned popular and all kinds of federal agencies are taking notice. I have several trees growing already and intend to ramp my supply up over the next 6 months.
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Post by: DiStOrTiOn on September 27, 2014, 05:34:37 am
I heard about this at the local kava watering hole. It's becoming so god-damned popular and all kinds of federal agencies are taking notice. I have several trees growing already and intend to ramp my supply up over the next 6 months.
where'd you get your plants from? PM me
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Post by: komokazi on September 27, 2014, 06:02:47 am
Lol yeah, kratom is definitely a RC... -_-
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Post by: Ninja on September 27, 2014, 06:10:54 am
“We have identified kratom as a botanical substance that poses a risk to public health and has the potential for abuse,” said Melinda Plaisier, the FDA’s associate commissioner for regulatory affairs. “This action was taken to safeguard the public from this dangerous product, and FDA will continue to take aggressive enforcement actions against products that are promoted for uses that are unapproved.”
The FDA is fed up with mindless idiots making the claims that this herb can be a natural pain killer/stimulant and this is exactly what put kratom on their radar in the first place. Capsules, extracts, flashy packaging it's all to blame. Market it as a non-consumable for Christ's sake!
It's a fucking plant. Stop trying to outlaw Nature you God hating faggot!
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Post by: xbcnfujv on September 27, 2014, 07:59:53 am
kratom was fun combine with dextroamphetamine.
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Post by: Rizzo in a box on September 28, 2014, 05:11:39 am
This makes me very mad. What fucking right do they have to do this?
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Post by: ph0x on September 28, 2014, 05:35:14 am
I think the main reason they're doing this is because Kratom can help dope addicts get/stay off the junk.
Bing bing bing! We got a winner. Someone has to do all that Oxy and Methadone, y'know.
I think this is a real clear example of how these government agencies have become more or less just arms of powerful corporations.
How come all these marshals aren't being put on the street to stop the spread of the illegal sale of prescription narcotics? Maybe because big pharma gets paid either way no matter who's selling their warez?
Could be wrong, but it seems like big pharmas legit competition (IE not street-dealers of narcotics) are the ones getting the most heat. 25,000 pounds of Kratom? Why not 25,000 street dealers peddling Oxy and Methadone?
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Post by: RisiR on September 28, 2014, 06:16:07 pm
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Could be wrong, but it seems like big pharmas legit competition (IE not street-dealers of narcotics) are the ones getting the most heat.
Absolutely not wrong. :tup:
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Post by: millionsofdeadcats on September 28, 2014, 06:16:41 pm
I think this is a real clear example of how these government agencies have become more or less just arms of powerful corporations.
How come all these marshals aren't being put on the street to stop the spread of the illegal sale of prescription narcotics? Maybe because big pharma gets paid either way no matter who's selling their warez?
Could be wrong, but it seems like big pharmas legit competition (IE not street-dealers of narcotics) are the ones getting the most heat. 25,000 pounds of Kratom? Why not 25,000 street dealers peddling Oxy and Methadone?
I believe that it is less a conspiracy to eliminate competition for pharms, and more of another example of lazy police work. They tend to go after the low-hanging fruit. It is much easier to find contraband through customs than it is to gather evidence and round up street dealers.
edit - Plus, one headline with massive amounts of 'harmful new drug fad combined with vague references to rc's' is worth more publicity and back-slapping, than 25,000 individual street-level busts.
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Post by: ThaTermeneter on September 28, 2014, 06:16:45 pm
Probably because its alot easier to bust one person that has 25 thousand pounds of bathsalt plants, than to have 25000 investigations on small time pilltards.
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Post by: RisiR on September 28, 2014, 06:25:28 pm
I didn't really get the narcotics dealer thing but I'm talking about doctors prescribing pain killers liike Skittles and doctors hooking peole on Methadone for their whole life. All legit and legal.
I'm not from the US but Kratom has been around forever unnoticed. It just became a thing after idiots started seling it in pills and pure Mitragynin started hitting the RC market. Now they want to ban that shit everywhere because they know it's better than their fucking Methadone.
Title: Re: US marshals seize over 25,000 pounds of kratom!!
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on September 28, 2014, 06:30:33 pm
I didn't really get the narcotics dealer thing but I'm talking about doctors prescribing pain killers liike Skittles and doctors hooking peole on Methadone for their whole life. All legit and legal.
I'm not from the US but Kratom has been around forever unnoticed. It just became a thing after idiots started seling it in pills and pure Mitragynin started hitting the RC market. Now they want to ban that shit everywhere because they know it's better than their fucking Methadone.
It is harder than fuck to get any doctors to prescribe even the weakest pain pills around here, and you have to sign 'pain contracts'. One doctor went to prison for letting people pay him to get prescriptions even if they failed drug screens.
Title: Re: US marshals seize over 25,000 pounds of kratom!!
Post by: JanitorJesus on September 28, 2014, 06:34:46 pm
I think this is a real clear example of how these government agencies have become more or less just arms of powerful corporations.
How come all these marshals aren't being put on the street to stop the spread of the illegal sale of prescription narcotics? Maybe because big pharma gets paid either way no matter who's selling their warez?
Could be wrong, but it seems like big pharmas legit competition (IE not street-dealers of narcotics) are the ones getting the most heat. 25,000 pounds of Kratom? Why not 25,000 street dealers peddling Oxy and Methadone?
I believe that it is less a conspiracy to eliminate competition for pharms, and more of another example of lazy police work. They tend to go after the low-hanging fruit. It is much easier to find contraband through customs than it is to gather evidence and round up street dealers.
edit - Plus, one headline with massive amounts of 'harmful new drug fad combined with vague references to rc's' is worth more publicity and back-slapping, than 25,000 individual street-level busts.
This is more realistic and probably rings more true, but at the same time it still fits into what I was implying in a way.
The laws are set up in such a way that it makes more sense to go after something which actually poses more good than harm to the general public and junkies alike, while we've got narcotic abuse running rampant all over the US, and, as far as I can see at least, not much is being done about that except maybe the 'big score' every once in a while, while at the same time Kratom is being relentlessly perused. I can't even find it on the shelves anymore where I used to buy it locally (imported obviously).
Anyway, I barely can keep track of what I'm saying now at this point. Basically, this whole fucking thing is beyond fucked.
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I didn't really get the narcotics dealer thing but I'm talking about doctors prescribing pain killers liike Skittles and doctors hooking peole on Methadone for their whole life. All legit and legal.
This may have been true in the past, but now it's near impossible to get prescribed narcotics in most situations. Depending on where you're located it's also extremely difficult to get Methadone or Suboxone treatment. Some people may see this as good, I personally don't. It should be up to each individual how they want to live their life, and if they want to be a law-abiding consumer who has a job and also happens to be addicted to opiates by choice, who the fuck is anyone to stand in their way? At least in America, where opiates are plentiful and readily available.
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Post by: RisiR on September 28, 2014, 06:36:40 pm
I didn't really get the narcotics dealer thing but I'm talking about doctors prescribing pain killers liike Skittles and doctors hooking peole on Methadone for their whole life. All legit and legal.
I'm not from the US but Kratom has been around forever unnoticed. It just became a thing after idiots started seling it in pills and pure Mitragynin started hitting the RC market. Now they want to ban that shit everywhere because they know it's better than their fucking Methadone.
It is harder than fuck to get any doctors to prescribe even the weakest pain pills around here, and you have to sign 'pain contracts'. One doctor went to prison for letting people pay him to get prescriptions even if they failed drug screens.
What about the Oxycodone Express?
In Germany they are hardcore nazis when it comes to opiates. I almost died of renal failur and they didn't give me any.
I don't know a single American who hasn't tried all kinds of heavy opiods. Not one. Well maybe one but he's straight edge.
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Post by: ph0x on September 28, 2014, 07:09:51 pm
It depends on how good your insurance is.
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Post by: millionsofdeadcats on September 28, 2014, 07:10:36 pm
I didn't really get the narcotics dealer thing but I'm talking about doctors prescribing pain killers liike Skittles and doctors hooking peole on Methadone for their whole life. All legit and legal.
I'm not from the US but Kratom has been around forever unnoticed. It just became a thing after idiots started seling it in pills and pure Mitragynin started hitting the RC market. Now they want to ban that shit everywhere because they know it's better than their fucking Methadone.
It is harder than fuck to get any doctors to prescribe even the weakest pain pills around here, and you have to sign 'pain contracts'. One doctor went to prison for letting people pay him to get prescriptions even if they failed drug screens.
What about the Oxycodone Express?
In Germany they are hardcore nazis when it comes to opiates. I almost died of renal failur and they didn't give me any.
I don't know a single American who hasn't tried all kinds of heavy opiods. Not one. Well maybe one but he's straight edge.
I had to network with scumbags at the methadone clinic for over a year and a half until someone finally gave me the name of the one doctor within 200 miles that still prescribed narcotics. I also had to get brand new MRI's and sign a pain contract, not to mention the place was an hour and fifteen minute drive from my house. What the fuck is the 'oxy express' or whatever?
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Post by: RisiR on September 28, 2014, 07:23:43 pm
Fuck Methadone, it's almost impossible to get off of it. Why not give the people who want to live their life on opiates good ol' Diacetylmorphine? Here in Germany they slowly go away from Methadone therapy and give the people pharma grade Heroin which is super cool in my opinion and condradicts what I said earlier about beings nazis a bit but yea.. I still think that natural treatment with Kratom or even better Ibogaine should be the way to go.
This is the Oxycontin Express
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Post by: stentor on September 28, 2014, 07:25:49 pm
Up until about two years ago Florida was indeed the pill mill Mecca and after it all crumbled down it seemed to have a ripple effect across the entire US state to state and now there's this kratom bust. wtf is happening here?
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Post by: ph0x on September 28, 2014, 07:28:01 pm
The medical industry and pharma industry is nothing but the WORST SHADIEST drug dealer.
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Post by: millionsofdeadcats on September 28, 2014, 07:32:16 pm
Fuck Methadone, it's almost impossible to get off of it. Why not give the people who want to live their life on opiates good ol' Diacetylmorphine? Here in Germany they slowly go away from Methadone therapy and give the people pharma grade Heroin which is super cool in my opinion and condradicts what I said earlier about beings nazis a bit but yea.. I still think that natural treatment with Kratom or even better Ibogaine should be the way to go.
That doctor gave me methadone but when obamacare kicked in he claimed that he was forced to switch everyone onto something else, so he gave me dilaudid. I didn't like it so I quit opiates. It sucked, but I did it. Now I just smoke weed instead.
Title: Re: US marshals seize over 25,000 pounds of kratom!!
Post by: RisiR on September 28, 2014, 07:37:16 pm
Up until about two years ago Florida was indeed the pill mill Mecca and after it all crumbled down it seemed to have a ripple effect across the entire US state to state and now there's this kratom bust. wtf is happening here?
The MMJ lobby took over.
Title: Re: US marshals seize over 25,000 pounds of kratom!!
Post by: RisiR on September 28, 2014, 07:37:52 pm
Fuck Methadone, it's almost impossible to get off of it. Why not give the people who want to live their life on opiates good ol' Diacetylmorphine? Here in Germany they slowly go away from Methadone therapy and give the people pharma grade Heroin which is super cool in my opinion and condradicts what I said earlier about beings nazis a bit but yea.. I still think that natural treatment with Kratom or even better Ibogaine should be the way to go.
That doctor gave me methadone but when obamacare kicked in he claimed that he was forced to switch everyone onto something else, so he gave me dilaudid. I didn't like it so I quit opiates. It sucked, but I did it. Now I just smoke weed instead.
I'm glad for you, bro. Did you ever try Kratom?
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Post by: millionsofdeadcats on September 28, 2014, 07:41:04 pm
Up until about two years ago Florida was indeed the pill mill Mecca and after it all crumbled down it seemed to have a ripple effect across the entire US state to state and now there's this kratom bust. wtf is happening here?
If there is any conspiracy angle to this whole thing, consider that heroin is flooding the markets and is cheaper than ever.
Title: Re: US marshals seize over 25,000 pounds of kratom!!
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on September 28, 2014, 07:41:58 pm
Up until about two years ago Florida was indeed the pill mill Mecca and after it all crumbled down it seemed to have a ripple effect across the entire US state to state and now there's this kratom bust. wtf is happening here?
If there is any conspiracy angle to this whole thing, consider that heroin is flooding the markets and is cheaper than ever.
This, too. Maybe they make more money from selling tar than Methadone.
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Post by: millionsofdeadcats on September 28, 2014, 07:49:36 pm
This, too. Maybe they make more money from selling tar than Methadone.
I miss that delicious red syrup every day....I love you methadone!!!!!!
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Post by: -SpectraL on September 28, 2014, 07:55:20 pm
Big Brother is still to stupid to know that nobody either needs nor wants him to protect anyone, we just want him to shut the fuck up and stop stealing money from people.
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Post by: RisiR on September 28, 2014, 07:58:12 pm
This, too. Maybe they make more money from selling tar than Methadone.
I miss that delicious red syrup every day....I love you methadone!!!!!!
Sorry for making you crave, dude. I'm actually not a Methadone hater at all. I just think it sucks that doctors are the worst dealers ever. They are pushers. They try to hook you on their shit instead of your corner guy's. They want your money and nothing else.
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Post by: ph0x on September 28, 2014, 08:09:27 pm
This, too. Maybe they make more money from selling tar than Methadone.
I miss that delicious red syrup every day....I love you methadone!!!!!!
Sorry for making you crave, dude. I'm actually not a Methadone hater at all. I just think it sucks that doctors are the worst dealers ever. They are pushers. They try to hook you on their shit instead of your corner guy's. They want your money and nothing else.
When I was 16 I was on 40mg of oxy a day for a degenerative bone disease, when I turned 19 and lost my insurance, my pain level magically went down and I was faking the pain to get pills.
It's just rich people dope so they don't go to prison while they want to force poor people to HAVE to use street drugs so they can throw them in prison and use them for slave labor to make bullet proof flak jackets for the war in Afghanistan to import more heroin to sell to the poor people, to put in prisons, so they can use them for slave labor.......
Why would a poor man spend $400 on an office visit to possibly be prescribed 120 800mg ibuprofen when he could go score 4 buns of heroin for the same price?
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Post by: RisiR on September 28, 2014, 08:13:34 pm