Site Discussion => Help & Suggestions => Topic started by: RisiR on September 16, 2014, 08:46:30 pm
Title: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 16, 2014, 08:46:30 pm
Ok shit, I've changed my mind. The Thanks function would probably not hurt so here's a poll for you thanks whoring approval addicts.
I mean, you can still not care about it when it's here but the users who miss it.... man, they are sad. That sucks.
We want all to be happy here.
Vote like there is no tomorrow my little fairies, vote!
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 16, 2014, 08:47:25 pm
I have voted yes for you comrades. :tub:
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 16, 2014, 08:51:17 pm
:tup:
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Rowan on September 16, 2014, 08:54:55 pm
I voted yes because I like to USE that button....especially with the awkward quoting/multi quoting system here. I actually don't give a fuck whether there is a counter attached to it so that users can pat themselves on the back with their numbers or not.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Lucifer on September 16, 2014, 08:55:16 pm
Kill yourself.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 16, 2014, 09:02:44 pm
So far, it's the closest poll ever.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Infinityshock on September 16, 2014, 09:04:57 pm
rape yourself
then kill yourself
post pics. before, during, or after...any will do
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 16, 2014, 09:10:36 pm
I like the idea of the thanks function. It adds to my self worth.
QFT
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Umbrella Corp on September 16, 2014, 11:35:34 pm
No I think Arnox summed up the argument against it pretty concisely. Honestly I found myself kind of obsessing over my thanks on Zoklet like that nerdy kid in the episode of South Park who only has Stan as a friend on facebook and waits around for him to like a post. It gives me no satisfaction admitting this.. but it is none the less true.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: equanimity on September 17, 2014, 12:16:57 am
The thanks function ruined my life. This is no laughing matter.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 17, 2014, 11:10:17 am
Bump.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Arnox on September 17, 2014, 09:20:38 pm
*sigh*
Fixed poll title and linked it in the news.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Soso0 on September 17, 2014, 09:22:32 pm
If a thanks system is put in place we should call them out and have the option to run out the ass kissers
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 17, 2014, 09:23:24 pm
Does it enhance your forum experience was perfect. Why the fixin'? You loco?
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Rowan on September 17, 2014, 09:32:58 pm
Does it enhance your forum experience was perfect. Why the fixin'? You loco?
Sorry. It's really the same question though.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on September 17, 2014, 09:38:19 pm
Facebook has likes. People obsess about it and come back for more. Zoklet had thanks. People obsessed about it and went back for more.
Since there would be no "dislikes" or negative reputation points, it seems that people would only be drawn to come back and post better, or at least in more of a way that is approved by the community. Even for those who don't admit it, it can be a motivator for contributions.
I don't really care either way. The only time it effected me is when it got abused and people kept whining to me about it and wanting me to do something about neg spam. As long as that doesn't happen, I'm good.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Township Rebellion on September 17, 2014, 09:59:53 pm
I don't really care much, I think doing without is a good way to encourage just good general conversation as opposed to just thanking the closest opinion you agree with then fucking off - something I regularly did back on &z.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: John Smith on September 17, 2014, 10:12:37 pm
Don't take it too seriously, it's just for fun. It really doesn't change the dynamics of a forum very much, and, regardless, if users really want it it should be implemented in order to retain them and prevent a forum from dying.
Often posts that were good in some way, whether simply amusing or informative, were thanked. Other times there were pointless thanks, thank parties, and no one really cared, so it didn't really matter much more than any other silly thread made in a place like Half Baked. Then there were thanks used simply because they agreed with a post, but this isn't much different than an upvote system like reddit, and without it people instead quote the post along with a short line to show their agreement/support, and don't add much to the discussion.
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it seems that people would only be drawn to come back and post better, or at least in more of a way that is approved by the community.
I think this is an unrealistic expectation. The people that are that motivated by thanks aren't suddenly going to turn around and become quality posters in order to develop and vague unquantifiable sense of being valued by the community, which takes time.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: fanglekai on September 17, 2014, 11:29:51 pm
no
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Dumpster Slut on September 17, 2014, 11:32:21 pm
From the perspective of running a website, I would want one because it makes users more engaged. People like vizier and michael myers posting frequency would jump higher.
As a poster, I'm kind of indifferent - I voted yes because on the margin, it will lead to more time spent online for others, creating a more active website.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 17, 2014, 11:33:46 pm
Facebook has likes. People obsess about it and come back for more. Zoklet had thanks. People obsessed about it and went back for more.
Since there would be no "dislikes" or negative reputation points, it seems that people would only be drawn to come back and post better, or at least in more of a way that is approved by the community. Even for those who don't admit it, it can be a motivator for contributions.
I don't really care either way. The only time it effected me is when it got abused and people kept whining to me about it and wanting me to do something about neg spam. As long as that doesn't happen, I'm good.
fucking this I don't really care if someone has a load of thanks but it is a motivator for some people with almost no downside other than some people not liking other people having more imaginary internet points than them
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Infinityshock on September 17, 2014, 11:35:13 pm
if there is going to be a 'like' or 'thanks' feature there needs to also be a 'this post sucks a cock and youre a fucking retard for making it' feature
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 17, 2014, 11:37:13 pm
if there is going to be a 'like' or 'thanks' feature there needs to also be a 'this post sucks a cock and youre a fucking retard for making it' feature
or you can just not thank or like the post and move on with your day and try to contain your copious baby tears for once
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Flowerz on September 17, 2014, 11:37:29 pm
No. I've gotten a ton of thanks. 90% of it came from calling tacho a nigger.
The thanks system is stupid and goes against the point of the forum. Some of the worst posters had a ton of thanks and some of the good posters had few. People give thanks more for stupid one liners than well thought out posts, the entire concept doesn't work. also only faggots care about thanks in the first place therefore only faggots want a thanks system. Fuck faggots. And niggers. *waits for thanks*
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 17, 2014, 11:47:55 pm
No. I've gotten a ton of thanks. 90% of it came from calling tacho a nigger.
The thanks system is stupid and goes against the point of the forum. Some of the worst posters had a ton of thanks and some of the good posters had few. People give thanks more for stupid one liners than well thought out posts, the entire concept doesn't work. also only faggots care about thanks in the first place therefore only faggots want a thanks system. Fuck faggots. And niggers. *waits for thanks*
honestly as far as people thanking one liners, that shit probably keeps those same people from making a useless post going "lol nice one he is a faggot" when they can simply thank the post and move on with out a bunch of others throwing out one liners
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Poast on September 17, 2014, 11:49:49 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: FON on September 17, 2014, 11:54:40 pm
I don't really care much, I think doing without is a good way to encourage just good general conversation as opposed to just thanking the closest opinion you agree with then fucking off - something I regularly did back on &z.
Same. Without thanks I'm more inclined to put a little bit of thought in and make an actual post. I've been loving the forum without thanks. Quality posts are encouraged whereas I feel the thanks system was detrimental in this respect. Tons of shitposts would bring in a significant amount of thanks, which encourages people to make more shitposts. Everyone is chasing the dragon for their thanks induced dopamine rush.
Don't take it too seriously, it's just for fun. It really doesn't change the dynamics of a forum very much, and, regardless, if users really want it it should be implemented in order to retain them and prevent a forum from dying.
Often posts that were good in some way, whether simply amusing or informative, were thanked. Other times there were pointless thanks, thank parties, and no one really cared, so it didn't really matter much more than any other silly thread made in a place like Half Baked. Then there were thanks used simply because they agreed with a post, but this isn't much different than an upvote system like reddit, and without it people instead quote the post along with a short line to show their agreement/support, and don't add much to the discussion.
And the thanks system adds absolutely nothing to the discussion - you just thank the post. Without the thanks system at least you are forced to actually think a little and engage with other users.
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it seems that people would only be drawn to come back and post better, or at least in more of a way that is approved by the community.
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I think this is an unrealistic expectation. The people that are that motivated by thanks aren't suddenly going to turn around and become quality posters in order to develop and vague unquantifiable sense of being valued by the community, which takes time.
The standards that apply to the thanks system aren't going to create a better quality forum or better quality posts. I seem to recall a lot of shitposts getting praised via the thanks system on zoklet.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Infinityshock on September 18, 2014, 12:00:27 am
if there is going to be a 'like' or 'thanks' feature there needs to also be a 'this post sucks a cock and youre a fucking retard for making it' feature
or you can just not thank or like the post and move on with your day and try to contain your copious baby tears for once
no. if there can be a system for readers to circle-jerk posters there needs to also be the corollary to where the poster gets the deserved feedback from readers when the post is shit
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 12:01:40 am
You guys don't make any fucking sense on one hand you're saying thanks don't encourage anyone, then like immediately after that you guys complain about how thanks encourage shit posting implying thanks do drive people to post more whether it's "good" posts or "shit" posts. Maybe all you guys bitching about the people who got thanked or liked or whatever the shit should just thank or like the shit you think is a good post huh instead of bitching about what other people like. It doesn't affect you at all negatively if someone else gets thanked it simply gives a user an easy way to show appreciation for a post instead of not responding to it and moving on because they don't want to waste space with a quote and a ^this post.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 12:04:06 am
if there is going to be a 'like' or 'thanks' feature there needs to also be a 'this post sucks a cock and youre a fucking retard for making it' feature
or you can just not thank or like the post and move on with your day and try to contain your copious baby tears for once
no. if there can be a system for readers to circle-jerk posters there needs to also be the corollary to where the poster gets the deserved feedback from readers when the post is shit
If it's a shit post it should be ignored anyway, and if it's so egregious that you feel so fucking unraveled about it you need to spout of with a secondary shit post you can. No one's taking away your ability to be a lame moron with stale insults.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: John Smith on September 18, 2014, 12:10:33 am
ITT: People who take thanks/the internet too seriously and felt they didn't have the thanks they thought they deserved on Zoklet (jealous).
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Enter on September 18, 2014, 12:16:52 am
Do you wish to succeed?
Always do the opposite of what Zok does.
I voted "no".
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: FON on September 18, 2014, 12:24:32 am
You guys don't make any fucking sense on one hand you're saying thanks don't encourage anyone, then like immediately after that you guys complain about how thanks encourage shit posting implying thanks do drive people to post more whether it's "good" posts or "shit" posts. Maybe all you guys bitching about the people who got thanked or liked or whatever the shit should just thank or like the shit you think is a good post huh instead of bitching about what other people like. It doesn't affect you at all negatively if someone else gets thanked it simply gives a user an easy way to show appreciation for a post instead of not responding to it and moving on because they don't want to waste space with a quote and a ^this post.
The problem is the encouragement of shitposting tends to clog up the forums with boring, inane posts and foster a culture of mediocrity. I guess that is the sort of forum people enjoy?
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: STD on September 18, 2014, 12:37:19 am
Maximum thanks 1x per day? Should help it reflect quality posters more if they aren't so easy to dish out.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: joe camel on September 18, 2014, 12:39:10 am
While were at it, can we start a poll on tuning off multiple quotes?
Another thing, this isnt zoklet. Honestly, what did thanks contribute to the site at all? Arnox, i hope you say fuck the thanks system, poll be damned. But then you'll be flooded with Arnox you suck you asked us if we wanted thanks and didn't even give it to us anyway.
Meh, whatever. Fuck thanks.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: DaGuru on September 18, 2014, 12:40:49 am
As I've said in other threads....all thanks does is encourage, attract and motivate the WRONG kind of poster. Do you want mindless button clickers that actually need some cheesy validation by strangers while chasing a meaningless statistic? Or do you want intelligent adults with great discussion and debate skills? This really isn't about what makes a handful of people good for a few seconds, instead the BIGGER PICTURE of the long term future of this website. Period.
Arnox, just in case you do cave in to the slobber herd.....is there a way to opt out of the thanks feature? Meaning a user has a choice to disable having their posts thanked, kind of a way to separate the adults from the little children?
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Infinityshock on September 18, 2014, 12:55:27 am
im pretty sure there are no adults on this site. not mental-age, anyways
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 12:58:04 am
You guys don't make any fucking sense on one hand you're saying thanks don't encourage anyone, then like immediately after that you guys complain about how thanks encourage shit posting implying thanks do drive people to post more whether it's "good" posts or "shit" posts. Maybe all you guys bitching about the people who got thanked or liked or whatever the shit should just thank or like the shit you think is a good post huh instead of bitching about what other people like. It doesn't affect you at all negatively if someone else gets thanked it simply gives a user an easy way to show appreciation for a post instead of not responding to it and moving on because they don't want to waste space with a quote and a ^this post.
The problem is the encouragement of shitposting tends to clog up the forums with boring, inane posts and foster a culture of mediocrity. I guess that is the sort of forum people enjoy?
Don't fucking thank shit posts then maybe? Why the fuck is that a concept people don't get. if a majority are already shit posters and thanking shitposters a thanks system won't change that but if you fucking people who seem to think it's such a poor idea actually use it to thank what you believe to be a good post than you can have a positive effect on those people
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on September 18, 2014, 12:59:38 am
Don't fucking thank shit posts then maybe? Why the fuck is that a concept people don't get. if a majority are already shit posters and thanking shitposters a thanks system won't change that but if you fucking people who seem to think it's such a poor idea actually use it to thank what you believe to be a good post than you can have a positive effect on those people
Exactly. Some of these idiots act like if a thanks system is implemented, the top notch quality of posts we currently enjoy will plummet into a dystopic hell of shitposting and spamming.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 01:01:08 am
As I've said in other threads....all thanks does is encourage, attract and motivate the WRONG kind of poster. Do you want mindless button clickers that actually need some cheesy validation by strangers while chasing a meaningless statistic? Or do you want intelligent adults with great discussion and debate skills? This really isn't about what makes a handful of people good for a few seconds, instead the BIGGER PICTURE of the long term future of this website. Period.
Arnox, just in case you do cave in to the slobber herd.....is there a way to opt out of the thanks feature? Meaning a user has a choice to disable having their posts thanked, kind of a way to separate the adults from the little children?
Holy fuck if it's a meaningless feature why would you care who thanks you or others? would you rather have threads clogged by shit posters going ^this repeatedly to the post above them. You can't say that it empirically motivates the "wrong" kind of user you have no fucking metric for that you also can't claim it has such a horrible impact while also saying thanks are meaningless, people like you are the ones making a big deal about them.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Umbrella Corp on September 18, 2014, 01:02:20 am
So does the vote decide whether we get the thanks option? Or does the discussion.
If you impliment thanks because a majority voted for it, that ironically represents the reason why thanks are retarded in the first place. Consensus being made based on how many people think a certain way instead of on the quality of the arguments.
If I say IntoSanctuary Rules and then Infiniteshock says "Shut up faggot" and gets 10 Thanks, it looks like he won even tho immature non-contributing shitposters were the ones to hit thank.
Edit: I do not have a dog in this fight, it won't really matter to me one way or the other. Just giving my honest assessment.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 01:05:29 am
So does the vote decide whether we get the thanks option? Or does the discussion.
If you impliment thanks because a majority voted for it, that ironically represents the reason why thanks are retarded in the first place. Consensus being made based on how many people think a certain way instead of on the quality of the arguments.
If I say IntoSanctuary Rules and then Infiniteshock says "Shut up faggot" and gets 10 Thanks, it looks like he won even tho immature non-contributing shitposters were the ones to hit thank.
or it just means there are 10 users who like/agree with his post and nobody "wins" or "loses" any-fucking-thing it sounds like people just don't want others to agree with posts they don't like which is fucking laughable if he has 10 thanks he has 10 thanks that has no god damn bearing on any statement you make
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Infinityshock on September 18, 2014, 01:06:30 am
you had to use me as an example for shit posting...
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: aldra on September 18, 2014, 01:09:03 am
No. I've gotten a ton of thanks. 90% of it came from calling tacho a nigger.
The thanks system is stupid and goes against the point of the forum. Some of the worst posters had a ton of thanks and some of the good posters had few. People give thanks more for stupid one liners than well thought out posts, the entire concept doesn't work. also only faggots care about thanks in the first place therefore only faggots want a thanks system. Fuck faggots. And niggers. *waits for thanks*
this and I'm pretty sure vizier had the highest (actual) count on the site.
as for rep, it was mostly just used as a trolling gloryhole on totse2 - a few people built up massive rep counts through circle-jerks, then used them to smash the rep value of others and spam them with "faggot" or "nigger" or "niggerfaggot". which was pretty funny at the time, but ultimately meaningless.
the work needed to implement this would be more than nothing, so it'd vastly outweigh the value of implementing a system.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 01:09:22 am
So does the vote decide whether we get the thanks option? Or does the discussion.
If you impliment thanks because a majority voted for it, that ironically represents the reason why thanks are retarded in the first place. Consensus being made based on how many people think a certain way instead of on the quality of the arguments.
If I say IntoSanctuary Rules and then Infiniteshock says "Shut up faggot" and gets 10 Thanks, it looks like he won even tho immature non-contributing shitposters were the ones to hit thank.
or it just means there are 10 users who like/agree with his post and nobody "wins" or "loses" any-fucking-thing it sounds like people just don't want others to agree with posts they don't like which is fucking laughable if he has 10 thanks he has 10 thanks that has no god damn bearing on any statement you make
The example was a bad one, it wasn't ment to be realistic. I'm just making an argument for the No side because I lean that way. You are getting way too serious about this for some reason.
The only point in thanks is to get validation. It isn't necessary unless you have a hungry ego. The only argument I see for Thanks is that it is a fun way to approve of somebodies posts.. but damn you are getting so serious like it is more than that.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 01:16:15 am
The only point in thanks is to get validation. It isn't necessary unless you have a hungry ego. The only argument I see for Thanks is that it is a fun way to approve of somebodies posts.. but damn you are getting so serious like it is more than that.
Except I'm not that's the exact point I'm arguing the people that are getting serious are the ones that come into every thread like this and doomsay like adding a like button is the equivalent of driving the site into a wall at 100mph. How does someone else getting their own validation effect anyone but themselves. People take this too seriously in that they don't want someone else to get validation because they're too insecure in their own damn selves to deal with the fact someone might be liked more than them.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2014, 01:32:57 am
you had to use me as an example for shit posting...
You have yet to make a single worthwhile post here, despite registering 4 months prior to most of these faggots. You are the epitome of shitposter. Kill yourself.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 18, 2014, 01:35:47 am
10/10 thread. Would make again. 8)
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Infinityshock on September 18, 2014, 01:36:11 am
you had to use me as an example for shit posting...
You have yet to make a single worthwhile post here, despite registering 4 months prior to most of these faggots. You are the epitome of shitposter. Kill yourself.
if there is anything here you dont enjoy reading make use of the ignore feature
other wise stfu and go deepthroat a flaming porcupine
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Umbrella Corp on September 18, 2014, 01:36:53 am
The only point in thanks is to get validation. It isn't necessary unless you have a hungry ego. The only argument I see for Thanks is that it is a fun way to approve of somebodies posts.. but damn you are getting so serious like it is more than that.
Except I'm not that's the exact point I'm arguing the people that are getting serious are the ones that come into every thread like this and doomsay like adding a like button is the equivalent of driving the site into a wall at 100mph. How does someone else getting their own validation effect anyone but themselves. People take this too seriously in that they don't want someone else to get validation because they're too insecure in their own damn selves to deal with the fact someone might be liked more than them.
Seemed like you were getting serious with the 4 letter words.
I made it clear I don't really care one way or the other. I have an opinion on the matter which may or may not be wrong just throwing it out there. Tho I do see what you mean, some people acting like it would single handedly destroy the community.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 01:39:58 am
I made it clear I don't really care one way or the other. I have an opinion on the matter which may or may not be wrong just throwing it out there. Tho I do see what you mean, some people acting like it would single handedly destroy the community.
That's where I disagree with them is that a thanks system would ruin the site in someway
I'm also just fond of four letter words
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: DaGuru on September 18, 2014, 01:46:28 am
Holy fuck if it's a meaningless feature why would you care who thanks you or others? would you rather have threads clogged by shit posters going ^this repeatedly to the post above them. You can't say that it empirically motivates the "wrong" kind of user you have no fucking metric for that you also can't claim it has such a horrible impact while also saying thanks are meaningless, people like you are the ones making a big deal about them.
Because I don't think websites like this should be a popularity contest, nor should it be about seeking some kind of social validation or even acceptance. That was a strong core part of Totse itself..."going against the grain". I'm not looking for posters that are agreeable or even well liked, I would rather mingle with a bunch of people that have the intellect and enough sauce in their step to stand by their perceptions/opinions and to hell with whatever anyone else thinks (including myself). The kind of person who IRL has enough fortitude to stand up in a room full of people and say "I don't agree with ANY of you and here is why....." and then proceed to give a well thought out argument that nobody else has brought up yet before.
And yeah, when you have a small herd of people thinking/acting alike with such an obvious group mentality...it can ruin the vibe of some forums. By the end of Zoklet, you couldn't even go into the Conspiracy or Religious forums, because it was filled with trolls just jumping on any new or different opinion. Someone makes a thread..."I believe in aliens because....". And then someone says, "herp derp, you are just a kook" or some other grade school insult. 5 or 6 people jump on that post and thank the troll, how is that inciting sincere discourse about the subject matter?
Most importantly in that scenario, if someone NEW comes here and discovers the Conspiracy forum, what will they walk away thinking? "Well, I can't talk about aliens on this website, because the communal attitude is just to act the fool and shoot down other people's experiences by childish naysayers". They then logout and never return because of these silly antics, and we probably lost a great mind, a great poster, and great ideas....all because people don't want to be subjected to what appears on the surface as childish trolling and stupid antics.
Again, this isn't so much about the CURRENT posters, but the ones you are looking to attract tomorrow, next month, next year. And if you have a bunch of spastic children just piggy-backing each other's fail flames and 4-channing one-liners, then that is EXACTLY the kind of poster you'll attract and retain in the years to come. Just like on Zoklet.....
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Zanick on September 18, 2014, 01:50:31 am
Thanks became a mindless circlejerk on Zoklet, rewarding idiocy and recklessness instead of genuine and informative material. I voted yes because I think there are a two steps we can take to avoid this: Firstly, make thanks available in specialist forums and not in general discussion. I think it speaks for itself that this would make a difference in quality. Second, require a short comment for every thanks given. This will urge users to give them more thoughtfully. It was too easy to thank on Zoklet, just like it's too easy on facebook. Adding some work to the process might make it a practical system, encouraging strong contribution and constructive feedback.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 01:59:14 am
Again you have no real metric, just because people thank someone else does not mean that that thank was wrong. You cannot be the arbiter of what people like, all you can do to make the forum grow would be to thank the posts you like or make posts of your own detailing your own point of view on the subject. Just because what you perceive to be accurate thought out and good posts about aliens or ghosts or whatever else might be incoherent garbage to others. That's the price of going against the grain, and being someone who supposedly thrives on that, as you claim to be, would realize that you wouldn't have the popular opinion and trying to stop others from agreeing with people you don't agree with is just as bad.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: FON on September 18, 2014, 01:59:16 am
You guys don't make any fucking sense on one hand you're saying thanks don't encourage anyone, then like immediately after that you guys complain about how thanks encourage shit posting implying thanks do drive people to post more whether it's "good" posts or "shit" posts. Maybe all you guys bitching about the people who got thanked or liked or whatever the shit should just thank or like the shit you think is a good post huh instead of bitching about what other people like. It doesn't affect you at all negatively if someone else gets thanked it simply gives a user an easy way to show appreciation for a post instead of not responding to it and moving on because they don't want to waste space with a quote and a ^this post.
The problem is the encouragement of shitposting tends to clog up the forums with boring, inane posts and foster a culture of mediocrity. I guess that is the sort of forum people enjoy?
Don't fucking thank shit posts then maybe? Why the fuck is that a concept people don't get. if a majority are already shit posters and thanking shitposters a thanks system won't change that but if you fucking people who seem to think it's such a poor idea actually use it to thank what you believe to be a good post than you can have a positive effect on those people
I generally try not to thank shitposters but a LOT of people do. The thanks system encourages lesser quality posts. Maybe with a different userbase it would encourage better quality posts but, like you said, we have a lot of shitposters here. Shitposters thank shitposters which encourages more shitposters. But yeah, I guess some people really do enjoy a forum that prides itself on its mediocrity and inane posting.
Don't fucking thank shit posts then maybe? Why the fuck is that a concept people don't get. if a majority are already shit posters and thanking shitposters a thanks system won't change that but if you fucking people who seem to think it's such a poor idea actually use it to thank what you believe to be a good post than you can have a positive effect on those people
Exactly. Some of these idiots act like if a thanks system is implemented, the top notch quality of posts we currently enjoy will plummet into a dystopic hell of shitposting and spamming.
And some people act like if we implement a thanks system the site will somehow miraculously improve, despite the fact that it encourages low quality posts.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Umbrella Corp on September 18, 2014, 02:01:43 am
Holy fuck if it's a meaningless feature why would you care who thanks you or others? would you rather have threads clogged by shit posters going ^this repeatedly to the post above them. You can't say that it empirically motivates the "wrong" kind of user you have no fucking metric for that you also can't claim it has such a horrible impact while also saying thanks are meaningless, people like you are the ones making a big deal about them.
Because I don't think websites like this should be a popularity contest, nor should it be about seeking some kind of social validation or even acceptance. That was a strong core part of Totse itself..."going against the grain". I'm not looking for posters that are agreeable or even well liked, I would rather mingle with a bunch of people that have the intellect and enough sauce in their step to stand by their perceptions/opinions and to hell with whatever anyone else thinks (including myself). The kind of person who IRL has enough fortitude to stand up in a room full of people and say "I don't agree with ANY of you and here is why....." and then proceed to give a well thought out argument that nobody else has brought up yet before.
And yeah, when you have a small herd of people thinking/acting alike with such an obvious group mentality...it can ruin the vibe of some forums. By the end of Zoklet, you couldn't even go into the Conspiracy or Religious forums, because it was filled with trolls just jumping on any new or different opinion. Someone makes a thread..."I believe in aliens because....". And then someone says, "herp derp, you are just a kook" or some other grade school insult. 5 or 6 people jump on that post and thank the troll, how is that inciting sincere discourse about the subject matter?
Most importantly in that scenario, if someone NEW comes here and discovers the Conspiracy forum, what will they walk away thinking? "Well, I can't talk about aliens on this website, because the communal attitude is just to act the fool and shoot down other people's experiences by childish naysayers". They then logout and never return because of these silly antics, and we probably lost a great mind, a great poster, and great ideas....all because people don't want to be subjected to what appears on the surface as childish trolling and stupid antics.
Again, this isn't so much about the CURRENT posters, but the ones you are looking to attract tomorrow, next month, next year. And if you have a bunch of spastic children just piggy-backing each other's fail flames and 4-channing one-liners, then that is EXACTLY the kind of poster you'll attract and retain in the years to come. Just like on Zoklet.....
Agree on all levels. It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation in this community. Topics are either shitposts for the OP, derailed in the 2nd-P or at very best discussed for a few posts then inevitably derailed by someone trying to be funny. The only exception to the rule would be flaming threads and/or threads that discuss hatred for certain members. Like a large percentage of Zoklet at the end was just old users arguing with other users about who they liked and didn't like. You can't sustain a community on dick sucking and bashing alone. It especially turns off new members who are first ostricized for being new n also can't relate to topics discussing already existing members anyway.
I have done my fair share of shitposting sure, but I am also capable of posting on topic relevant sometimes intelligent or just not retarded replies. Would do so more often if others would stay on topic more.. also if administration cracked down more on shitposting. I kind of ditto-headed with shitposts. Saw it done on Zoklet, thought it was the way things were done so I emulated. Inflecting on this makes me regretful.. think I'mma cut down on my low quality posts.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 02:02:20 am
I generally try not to thank shitposters but a LOT of people do. The thanks system encourages lesser quality posts. Maybe with a different userbase it would encourage better quality posts but, like you said, we have a lot of shitposters here. Shitposters thank shitposters which encourages more shitposters. But yeah, I guess some people really do enjoy a forum that prides itself on its mediocrity and inane posting.
you said it right there in your post thanks don't encourage shitposters, shitposters encourage shit posters what people should do is make more content if you want better users not try to constantly try to cut other users off at the knee it's an uphill battle
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: FON on September 18, 2014, 02:03:01 am
The only point in thanks is to get validation. It isn't necessary unless you have a hungry ego. The only argument I see for Thanks is that it is a fun way to approve of somebodies posts.. but damn you are getting so serious like it is more than that.
Except I'm not that's the exact point I'm arguing the people that are getting serious are the ones that come into every thread like this and doomsay like adding a like button is the equivalent of driving the site into a wall at 100mph. How does someone else getting their own validation effect anyone but themselves. People take this too seriously in that they don't want someone else to get validation because they're too insecure in their own damn selves to deal with the fact someone might be liked more than them.
I bet the meager amount of thanks you received on zoklet was the only thing stopping you from killing yourself. I now understand why the thanks system is so important to you.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 02:04:12 am
see my response above but you know if I wanted to be a faggot I could point out that you could have thanked his post instead of reposting a really long quote and taking up space with more text posted a second time
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: FON on September 18, 2014, 02:04:28 am
I generally try not to thank shitposters but a LOT of people do. The thanks system encourages lesser quality posts. Maybe with a different userbase it would encourage better quality posts but, like you said, we have a lot of shitposters here. Shitposters thank shitposters which encourages more shitposters. But yeah, I guess some people really do enjoy a forum that prides itself on its mediocrity and inane posting.
you said it right there in your post thanks don't encourage shitposters, shitposters encourage shit posters what people should do is make more content if you want better users not try to constantly try to cut other users off at the knee it's an uphill battle
You retarded, son?
"Shitposters thank shitposters which encourages more shitposters." Keyword being 'thank'.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 02:06:49 am
I generally try not to thank shitposters but a LOT of people do. The thanks system encourages lesser quality posts. Maybe with a different userbase it would encourage better quality posts but, like you said, we have a lot of shitposters here. Shitposters thank shitposters which encourages more shitposters. But yeah, I guess some people really do enjoy a forum that prides itself on its mediocrity and inane posting.
you said it right there in your post thanks don't encourage shitposters, shitposters encourage shit posters what people should do is make more content if you want better users not try to constantly try to cut other users off at the knee it's an uphill battle
You retarded, son?
"Shitposters thank shitposters which encourages more shitposters." Keyword being 'thank'.
are you retarded the thanks are given out by the shitposters to other shitposters it's like claiming someone was killed by a gun and not the person behind it thanks don't automatically assign themselves to shit posts
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 18, 2014, 02:12:12 am
The poll, guys. The poll. Closely watch the poll.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: FON on September 18, 2014, 02:17:10 am
I generally try not to thank shitposters but a LOT of people do. The thanks system encourages lesser quality posts. Maybe with a different userbase it would encourage better quality posts but, like you said, we have a lot of shitposters here. Shitposters thank shitposters which encourages more shitposters. But yeah, I guess some people really do enjoy a forum that prides itself on its mediocrity and inane posting.
you said it right there in your post thanks don't encourage shitposters, shitposters encourage shit posters what people should do is make more content if you want better users not try to constantly try to cut other users off at the knee it's an uphill battle
You retarded, son?
"Shitposters thank shitposters which encourages more shitposters." Keyword being 'thank'.
are you retarded the thanks are given out by the shitposters to other shitposters it's like claiming someone was killed by a gun and not the person behind it thanks don't automatically assign themselves to shit posts
So a thanked shitpost doesn't encourage more shitposts because the person that thanked the shitpost was a shitposter?
???
Simply being a shitposter doesn't mean the thanks system stops encouraging people from posting in particular styles. Thanks encourage posts that individuals like. Shitposters presumably like shitposts, which is why shitposts were so popular on zoklet. Thus, the thanks system is used to encourage these lesser quality posts. Whether it's other shitposters encouraging this behaviour is completely irrelevant.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Umbrella Corp on September 18, 2014, 02:23:33 am
So a thanked shitpost doesn't encourage more shitposts because the person that thanked the shitpost was a shitposter?
No it doesn't it's the same thing as a shit poster posting rekt right afterward you guys are acting like a thank system brings in more shit posters but your only examples are of poor users already encouraging a base of more poor users being shit heads together. You're the one giving their thanked post any weight.
you're also implying that someone can only agree or thank certain things that line up with your own view point it sounds to me like you want a site full of specialists not a site without a thank system make better threads and encourage better posters and guess what you'll have less shit posters.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Enter on September 18, 2014, 02:30:55 am
Maximum thanks 1x per day? Should help it reflect quality posters more if they aren't so easy to dish out.
This is a good idea. Do this.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Rodrat on September 18, 2014, 02:37:58 am
I went ahead and voted yes, but reluctantly though.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Ninja on September 18, 2014, 02:39:06 am
You all just bend over and you can Thank me afterwards.
So, we have a group of people that have a good time and appreciate each other's posts and like to show Thanks for them. And, then we have another group who is butthurt that they never got Thanks, but that Neanderthal Shitposter over there got a bunch of Thanks! How unfair! Why does nobody like me? Oh my. Maybe instead of Thanking others and joining in on all the fun, I should just sit back and bitch and moan about how unfair life is and try to take things away from others in the hopes that eventually everyone will leave except those who are as equally miserable as me. Oh what fun that would be!
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: millionsofdeadcats on September 18, 2014, 02:40:14 am
And some people act like if we implement a thanks system the site will somehow miraculously improve, despite the fact that it encourages low quality posts.
No. Where do you get this shit from? People want it because they are used to it, it serves a purpose (i.e. if you want to reply in a thread, but someone already typed what you wanna say, you can still be involved with the thread, among other uses for 'thanks'), it's fun, and apparently it is pretty popular. Who are these 'some people who act like if we implement thanks the site will improve miraculously?' I wanna know.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Zanick on September 18, 2014, 03:01:01 am
A single button is not a system. If we want thanks, it needs some rules in place to keep it from becoming Zoklet's "system". We can make it more engaging and more constructive this time, we don't have to sacrifice a feature the majority want in order to facilitate discussion when we can have both.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: equanimity on September 18, 2014, 03:11:03 am
A single button is not a system. If we want thanks, it needs some rules in place to keep it from becoming Zoklet's "system". We can make it more engaging and more constructive this time, we don't have to sacrifice a feature the majority want in order to facilitate discussion when we can have both.
Your earlier suggestion seemed interesting, but I kinda feel that anything requiring much oversight is inherently flawed. Maybe we can think of a simpler system that encourages constructive posting?
Simple and functional is where it's at, man.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 18, 2014, 03:13:46 am
Just put that fucking thanks shit up already. What is this this?
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Ninja on September 18, 2014, 03:14:37 am
I Thank you all for being here in this historical moment!
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 18, 2014, 03:17:52 am
Thank you, too.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Ninja on September 18, 2014, 03:20:39 am
Arnox, just in case you do cave in to the slobber herd.....is there a way to opt out of the thanks feature? Meaning a user has a choice to disable having their posts thanked, kind of a way to separate the adults from the little children?
I like this idea, it would satisfy more people and have wider support.
and I'm pretty sure vizier had the highest (actual) count on the site.
And generally people didn't see him as a poster who generally contributed good detailed material, or particularly intellectual, anyone who had become a regular on the forum generally recognized him as a poster who was good at making apt puns/comments in threads, the voice of the common man, and having a high post count, which is where his rep came from. I don't think most people are dumb enough to look at thanks and assume that it means a poster must be good or intelligent, you develop your views by observing their writing over time.
Thanks are generally just for fun, to encourage to produce more material like this/of this quality, show agreement, thank for posting something that you enjoyed in some manner, and some other silly insignificant things. It really isn't particularly negative, it depends on the users, and those users will still be of the same quality with or without it. Think about it, anyone who changes their posting habits significantly due to thanks is bound to be a dumbass. Let them have it.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Jedi Moped on September 18, 2014, 07:03:24 am
I don't really care much, I think doing without is a good way to encourage just good general conversation as opposed to just thanking the closest opinion you agree with then fucking off - something I regularly did back on &z.
I thing instead of a thanks system this board should have a sports car.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Jedi Moped on September 18, 2014, 07:07:53 am
As I've said in other threads....all thanks does is encourage, attract and motivate the WRONG kind of poster. Do you want mindless button clickers that actually need some cheesy validation by strangers while chasing a meaningless statistic? Or do you want intelligent adults with great discussion and debate skills? This really isn't about what makes a handful of people good for a few seconds, instead the BIGGER PICTURE of the long term future of this website. Period.
Arnox, just in case you do cave in to the slobber herd.....is there a way to opt out of the thanks feature? Meaning a user has a choice to disable having their posts thanked, kind of a way to separate the adults from the little children?
Well you certainly are not a mindless button clicker but you are neither and adult or in possession of discussion/debate skills. And you certainly don't want to separate adults from children based on your self professed predilection for post pubescent females. So what is your position on the OP's topic exactly?
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Michael Myers on September 18, 2014, 08:19:15 am
No. We don't need one.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: SupremeGentleman on September 18, 2014, 08:21:13 am
I agree, its just a meaningless form of competition
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: DaGuru on September 18, 2014, 11:30:25 am
Well you certainly are not a mindless button clicker but you are neither and adult or in possession of discussion/debate skills. And you certainly don't want to separate adults from children based on your self professed predilection for post pubescent females. So what is your position on the OP's topic exactly?
Poor Rodent....the guy still can't contain his butthurt or emotional impulses and stay on topic. Instead just keep on spamming and fail-flaming his usual derailing bullshit, all the while people are trying to have productive discourse.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Proots on September 18, 2014, 01:12:32 pm
I voted "No" because truly, it isn't something we need.
Also, I find it interesting that the total amount of votes far eclipses the amount of consistent, regular posters we have on this site. If there's any way to tell who voted for what, Arnox - maybe you should look into it to make sure no dummy accounts artificially inflated the Yes/No votes.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: FON on September 18, 2014, 01:36:35 pm
So a thanked shitpost doesn't encourage more shitposts because the person that thanked the shitpost was a shitposter?
No it doesn't it's the same thing as a shit poster posting rekt right afterward you guys are acting like a thank system brings in more shit posters but your only examples are of poor users already encouraging a base of more poor users being shit heads together. You're the one giving their thanked post any weight.
you're also implying that someone can only agree or thank certain things that line up with your own view point it sounds to me like you want a site full of specialists not a site without a thank system make better threads and encourage better posters and guess what you'll have less shit posters.
Of course it does. The 'thanks' system rewards people for certain types of posting. There was a lot of shitposters on zoklet who encouraged each other with this sort of thing. The whole culture of the site was starting to form around shitposting.
And some people act like if we implement a thanks system the site will somehow miraculously improve, despite the fact that it encourages low quality posts.
No. Where do you get this shit from? People want it because they are used to it, it serves a purpose (i.e. if you want to reply in a thread, but someone already typed what you wanna say, you can still be involved with the thread, among other uses for 'thanks'), it's fun, and apparently it is pretty popular. Who are these 'some people who act like if we implement thanks the site will improve miraculously?' I wanna know.
Well, you - for one - apparently think it should be on the site. According to you it improves the site because it allows people to acknowledge a post without saying anything, because it's fun and because it's popular.
However, I think these are all shit reasons.
1. Who cares if you can't acknowledge a post? Are people really so starved of validation that this is necessary? Do others feel the need so bad to have their name seen on the page that this is necessary? Is it possible that by removing this aspect we might encourage people to put some thought in and make an actual response? Stop being a little bitch.
2. Fun? Are you some sort of fucking retard?
3. Shitposting was also popular on zoklet.
None of these pose even a significant improvement, other than avoiding a few faggots like you complaining in B&M about how you can't circle-jerk each other into homosexual oblivion anymore. We should try the forum without a system that didn't do much other than encourage shitposts and give me the occasional dopamine rush.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 02:19:49 pm
So a thanked shitpost doesn't encourage more shitposts because the person that thanked the shitpost was a shitposter?
No it doesn't it's the same thing as a shit poster posting rekt right afterward you guys are acting like a thank system brings in more shit posters but your only examples are of poor users already encouraging a base of more poor users being shit heads together. You're the one giving their thanked post any weight.
you're also implying that someone can only agree or thank certain things that line up with your own view point it sounds to me like you want a site full of specialists not a site without a thank system make better threads and encourage better posters and guess what you'll have less shit posters.
Of course it does. The 'thanks' system rewards people for certain types of posting. There was a lot of shitposters on zoklet who encouraged each other with this sort of thing. The whole culture of the site was starting to form around shitposting.
I really don't see how you're using this as an argument. If zoklet was filled with shit posters it was because zoklet was filled with shit posters, the thanks system worked fine the community thanked what they liked. What you're saying is that shit posters are surprise gonna be shit posters thanks aren't going to change that in anyway. Your argument against thanks is one that the site is full of shit posters and they'll use it to encourage each other (as if they need it) thanks aren't going to attract anyone and they aren't going to drive anyone away, they are a meaningless statistic that allows you to agree with someone without having to type out a bullshit I agree post and potentially clogging up a good thread. Get your head out of your ass if you want more people to post better shit than maybe you should start posting better shit and if no one acknowledges it then boo fucking hoo find a different site that fits your needs.
Arnox wants to run a site where people spew shit all the time a thanks system would make it where you don't have to go wading through it constantly to support the one post out of many you agree with
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Jedi Moped on September 18, 2014, 02:25:12 pm
Well you certainly are not a mindless button clicker but you are neither and adult or in possession of discussion/debate skills. And you certainly don't want to separate adults from children based on your self professed predilection for post pubescent females. So what is your position on the OP's topic exactly?
Poor Rodent....the guy still can't contain his butthurt or emotional impulses and stay on topic. Instead just keep on spamming and fail-flaming his usual derailing bullshit, all the while people are trying to have productive discourse.
Funny, coming from a Faggrt with two accounts that has done nothing but Bitch & Moan in every single post on multiple boards for the last five years.
:oface:
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: FON on September 18, 2014, 02:39:46 pm
Yes, zoklet was overrun with shitposts, but as a community we are capable of far more. At least by ditching thanks we remove some incentive for people to make utterly retarded posts in the hopes that some spastic on the other side of the world gets a chuckle. Literally nothing bad can come from keeping it removed. If its main function was to allow people to acknowledge posts without typing then all we stand to gain is more posts. I know if I see something I really like and there isn't a thanks option I'll be at least trying to think of something to say.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Proots on September 18, 2014, 02:45:44 pm
Yes, zoklet was overrun with shitposts, but as a community we are capable of far more. At least by ditching thanks we remove some incentive for people to make utterly retarded posts in the hopes that some spastic on the other side of the world gets a chuckle. Literally nothing bad can come from keeping it removed. If its main function was to allow people to acknowledge posts without typing then all we stand to gain is more posts. I know if I see something I really like and there isn't a thanks option I'll be at least trying to think of something to say.
This right here. I think FON pointed out the main gripe I have with the "thanks" system, far more succinctly than I ever could have managed :
"If its main function was to allow people to acknowledge posts without typing then all we stand to gain is more posts"
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Deviant on September 18, 2014, 02:46:10 pm
I think it's too early for this poll. People still have too much Zoklet nostalgia.
And someone said something about multiple accounts voting, I suspect this as well. Most of the people who want the Thanks system are the kind of people who would make multiple accounts just to influence a poll.
Just a reminder that if a Thanks system gets implemented, it will not count someone's total thanks at all. Thanks will be contained to threads.
is true, it doesn't really matter. But we do need a low number of available thanks to give per day, I say no more than 3. Also can we please have the option to remove thanks?
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: RisiR on September 18, 2014, 02:51:22 pm
When thanks are bound to threads, does it show up like this
RisiR is a faggot - 10000 thanks or like it was on Zoklet inside the thread under the OP?
Maybe we could try it for a week and then decide again.
Not that I have anything to say or whatever.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 03:00:23 pm
Yes, zoklet was overrun with shitposts, but as a community we are capable of far more. At least by ditching thanks we remove some incentive for people to make utterly retarded posts in the hopes that some spastic on the other side of the world gets a chuckle. Literally nothing bad can come from keeping it removed. If its main function was to allow people to acknowledge posts without typing then all we stand to gain is more posts. I know if I see something I really like and there isn't a thanks option I'll be at least trying to think of something to say.
This right here. I think FON pointed out the main gripe I have with the "thanks" system, far more succinctly than I ever could have managed :
"If its main function was to allow people to acknowledge posts without typing then all we stand to gain is more posts"
and the point I'm making is more posts do not = good posts on totse 2 we had entire threads on BLTC that were un moderatable messes I tried trust me and thanks would have been a much better way to keep those posts down there are plenty of posts now most of them are shit and having someone bump threads to go ^this is fucking retarded
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Proots on September 18, 2014, 03:10:10 pm
Yes, zoklet was overrun with shitposts, but as a community we are capable of far more. At least by ditching thanks we remove some incentive for people to make utterly retarded posts in the hopes that some spastic on the other side of the world gets a chuckle. Literally nothing bad can come from keeping it removed. If its main function was to allow people to acknowledge posts without typing then all we stand to gain is more posts. I know if I see something I really like and there isn't a thanks option I'll be at least trying to think of something to say.
This right here. I think FON pointed out the main gripe I have with the "thanks" system, far more succinctly than I ever could have managed :
"If its main function was to allow people to acknowledge posts without typing then all we stand to gain is more posts"
and the point I'm making is more posts do not = good posts on totse 2 we had entire threads on BLTC that were un moderatable messes I tried trust me and thanks would have been a much better way to keep those posts down there are plenty of posts now most of them are shit and having someone bump threads to go ^this is fucking retarded
I agree with you that more posts don't necessarily equal good posts. And, people are going to bump threads, post "this" and generally make poor posts whether there is a "thanks" system or not. I see eye to eye with you there, I just don't see how a "thanks" system is going to improve anything.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Spectre on September 18, 2014, 03:15:50 pm
I agree with you that more posts don't necessarily equal good posts. And, people are going to bump threads, post "this" and generally make poor posts whether there is a "thanks" system or not. I see eye to eye with you there, I just don't see how a "thanks" system is going to improve anything.
Than we are in agreement I don't think the thanks system will improve or ruin anything. I just think it will make it easier for users to interact is all
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Rowan on September 18, 2014, 03:21:44 pm
Just a reminder that if a Thanks system gets implemented, it will not count someone's total thanks at all. Thanks will be contained to threads.
This system would at least curb the shitposting for thanks some. Shitposters are going to post shit no matter what system of thanks/no thanks is implemented and good posters are not going to just turn into shit posters to get the thanks. How do people let one little button dictate the quality of the contributions they make to this site? That is just sad and shallow. And although not having one might cause people to post a "thanks" type response to a post they like, having one so people can get on to other things might also create new posts in other threads/topics. The site has rules to curb shitposting and the mods have the ability to enforce them:
1. No spam. This means posts that are not relevant or do not add anything at all to the thread or the discussion in it. ('this's are allowed though) This also means threads which do not add anything to the sub-forum it's posted in. Necrobumping without contributing something to the thread and completely illegible posts or threads are also spam.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: DaGuru on September 18, 2014, 04:19:22 pm
Funny, coming from a Faggrt with two accounts that has done nothing but Bitch & Moan in every single post on multiple boards for the last five years.
Oh look, more derailing nonsense from the pathetic little chump still clinging to my nuts all this time. You mind if we actually go back to the topic at hand, and leave your obsessive butthurt out of at least one thread? Bet you can't do it.....
Of course it does. The 'thanks' system rewards people for certain types of posting. There was a lot of shitposters on zoklet who encouraged each other with this sort of thing. The whole culture of the site was starting to form around shitposting.
Well, you - for one - apparently think it should be on the site. According to you it improves the site because it allows people to acknowledge a post without saying anything, because it's fun and because it's popular.
However, I think these are all shit reasons.
1. Who cares if you can't acknowledge a post? Are people really so starved of validation that this is necessary? Do others feel the need so bad to have their name seen on the page that this is necessary? Is it possible that by removing this aspect we might encourage people to put some thought in and make an actual response? Stop being a little bitch.
2. Fun? Are you some sort of fucking retard?
3. Shitposting was also popular on zoklet.
None of these pose even a significant improvement, other than avoiding a few faggots like you complaining in B&M about how you can't circle-jerk each other into homosexual oblivion anymore. We should try the forum without a system that didn't do much other than encourage shitposts and give me the occasional dopamine rush.
Absolutely this to a mutha-fuckin "T". Especially the part about "integrating with the site" and "acknowledging" a post. That IS the whole point in all of this, your integration IS the posting. Period. If someone is so desperate to "be part of a thread", and they can't express it in their OWN ORIGINAL OPINION, then they have no business doing or saying anything. And again, why would we want a userbase made up of people that have this childish impulse to "want to be part of something"....yet don't fit in because they can't express themselves through text? That IS the point of message boards, to use text to share your perception. Nothing more, nothing less.
A lot of people discuss "why" Totse and Zoklet ended up becoming havens for kidiots and idiocy in the last few years...and while I agree to some extent it somewhat went to bad management and perhaps the internet itself changed somewhat...anyone ever think that LESS WAS MORE? Meaning in the olden days of Totse ALL you had at your disposal was the text you put on the screen to develop the credibility (and for some I guess validation(?). You didn't have avatars, signatures, or silly thanks buttons to play with....instead your reputation and the way people recognized you was based on the consistency of your posts and the knowledge/opinion you brought to the masses. Everyone seems to agree that posting on forums is "worse" nowadays, you folks think some of that might be attributed to "posting" not being the focal point....instead the ideology of "experience", all based on bells, whistles, and fluff??
In regards to the poll, and whatever numbers it comes up to...I too believe the numbers lie, and significant analysis needs to be done in regard to who is voting which way. Arnox, if you are putting any sincerity behind this poll, you need to look at each and every vote, and examine the "quality" of every voter. Even if its a 10-1 ratio when its all said and done, if you have a bunch of alts and LOUSY posters so desperately asking for this thanks nonsense, you need to put more weight on the "quality" people/posters votes....as long as your endgame is still trying to maintain a "quality" userbase and website.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Idiosyncrasy on September 18, 2014, 05:20:48 pm
I'm glad to see that people are concerned about post quality. If there was no concern, then we would be hosed.
Sorry for comparing everything to Facebook, but it is a good reference for this. I think about myself and how I interact with people on Facebook. Though it seems shallow to admit it, since Facebook uses 'likes,' I now always think about how many likes I might get by my peers when I post something.
Pro: It encourages me to post things that are pleasing to the community, thus keeping them interested and engaged.
Con: It limits what I feel is acceptable to say.
That is the great thing about a place like this. Here, we can and do say anything we want with no fear of being shunned by our peers. That is, of course, largely due to the shroud of anonymity and the disconnect we have with each other from our real-world reputations, but we have to think about how a 'thanks' system would change that.
Back to Facebook, I notice a lot of people who I have "friended" who post a lot of mindless drivel, however it contains a certain level of wit. A lot of these posts generate a lot of likes. On the flip side, I have seen a lot of well-thought, logically formed, and well-articulated posts that have not generated the same level of acceptance. Is this because of the community of which they choose to be a part? Maybe. But I bet it discourages them from making a ton of controversial, thought-provoking posts because they do not garner the appreciation implied by the load of 'likes' that one gets when he or she posts their little punch line.
So are we like Facebook? No, we are not. I do think that those controversial topics would generate a lot of 'thanks' here. But I think the "shit-posts" would get a lot more, as evident by precedent. Do we want our focus to be on stimulating discussion, or on marketing our message to generate a conditioned response?
I like that Arnox said there would not be a running tally. That takes a lot of implied importance off of it. But people will still keep a rough tally in their mind, and they will notice trends. If someone typed a short essay with several distinctive points with supporting information, and they remember that they only got a fraction of the 'thanks' that someone else got for posting a singular fragmented racial remark, then what is the motivation? This place is not a blog or a journal. We do not post here just for ourselves. We post here to engage in discussions with others. When the discussion stops, then so does the livelihood of the site.
It is up to you to decide how to keep the discussion alive, and how to rejuvenate it. Well, it's really up to Arnox, but it's up to you to decide how to apply influence. After all, he is here to engage in discussion with you in ways that cannot be done elsewhere. That is our unique value proposition.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Rizzo in a box on September 19, 2014, 01:25:57 am
Totse didn't need thanks.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: John Smith on September 19, 2014, 02:15:27 am
On the flip side, I have seen a lot of well-thought, logically formed, and well-articulated posts that have not generated the same level of acceptance. Is this because of the community of which they choose to be a part? Maybe. But I bet it discourages them from making a ton of controversial, thought-provoking posts because they do not garner the appreciation implied by the load of 'likes' that one gets when he or she posts their little punch line.
It's a reflection of the common man! They want cheap laughs, not deep thoughts. Who actually has a positive perception of the average person?
If someone typed a short essay with several distinctive points with supporting information, and they remember that they only got a fraction of the 'thanks' that someone else got for posting a singular fragmented racial remark, then what is the motivation?
For the same reason as the above, it's a reflection of the TL;DR users. Why compare it? Thanks are still appreciated and are likely deeper felt by the giver to valuable content like you described, while those comments will be forgotten.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: xbcnfujv on September 19, 2014, 03:15:32 am
no fuck.
Title: Re: The Thanks Function
Post by: Jedi Moped on September 19, 2014, 09:27:24 pm
Yes, zoklet was overrun with shitposts, but as a community we are capable of far more. At least by ditching thanks we remove some incentive for people to make utterly retarded posts in the hopes that some spastic on the other side of the world gets a chuckle. Literally nothing bad can come from keeping it removed. If its main function was to allow people to acknowledge posts without typing then all we stand to gain is more posts. I know if I see something I really like and there isn't a thanks option I'll be at least trying to think of something to say.
This right here. I think FON pointed out the main gripe I have with the "thanks" system, far more succinctly than I ever could have managed :
"If its main function was to allow people to acknowledge posts without typing then all we stand to gain is more posts"
and the point I'm making is more posts do not = good posts on totse 2 we had entire threads on BLTC that were un moderatable messes I tried trust me and thanks would have been a much better way to keep those posts down there are plenty of posts now most of them are shit and having someone bump threads to go ^this is fucking retarded
We could cut the shit posting by 65% if you would delete DaGuru and another 25% if you killed yourself.