Buuut I've been really wanting to get a Taurus judge. If you haven't noticed I prefer revolvers and I really like the fact that you can shoot either 45 or 410 shells.
this thread should have an addendum of what ammo is carried.
Sig 938 SAS, it's easily the most accurate pocket rocket that I've ever found.
this thread should have an addendum of what ammo is carried.Glaser 9mm+p 100gr Pow'r balls
Sig 938 SAS, it's easily the most accurate pocket rocket that I've ever found.this thread should have an addendum of what ammo is carried.Glaser 9mm+p 100gr Pow'r balls
Sig 938 SAS, it's easily the most accurate pocket rocket that I've ever found.this thread should have an addendum of what ammo is carried.Glaser 9mm+p 100gr Pow'r balls
How do you like the overpressure rounds?
9mm+P is an overpressure round. Quick explanation from WIkipediaSig 938 SAS, it's easily the most accurate pocket rocket that I've ever found.this thread should have an addendum of what ammo is carried.Glaser 9mm+p 100gr Pow'r balls
How do you like the overpressure rounds?
overpressure?
Overpressure ammunition, commonly designated as +P or +P+, is small arms ammunition that has been loaded to a higher internal pressure than is standard for ammunition of its caliber, but less than the pressures generated by a proof round.
Sig 938 SAS, it's easily the most accurate pocket rocket that I've ever found.this thread should have an addendum of what ammo is carried.Glaser 9mm+p 100gr Pow'r balls
How do you like the overpressure rounds?
9mm+P is an overpressure round. Quick explanation from WIkipediaSig 938 SAS, it's easily the most accurate pocket rocket that I've ever found.this thread should have an addendum of what ammo is carried.Glaser 9mm+p 100gr Pow'r balls
How do you like the overpressure rounds?
overpressure?QuoteOverpressure ammunition, commonly designated as +P or +P+, is small arms ammunition that has been loaded to a higher internal pressure than is standard for ammunition of its caliber, but less than the pressures generated by a proof round.
Sig 938 SAS, it's easily the most accurate pocket rocket that I've ever found.this thread should have an addendum of what ammo is carried.Glaser 9mm+p 100gr Pow'r balls
How do you like the overpressure rounds?
They're not bad, the Glaser's group pretty good and there's not too much recoil.
as far as im concerned light-weight/high velocity rounds are of limited general purpose use and are more along the lines of a gimick.
as far as im concerned light-weight/high velocity rounds are of limited general purpose use and are more along the lines of a gimick.
The +P rounds seem to do good unless put into a pistol not designed to handle the ammo. It can wreck the gun, this is the case with older pistols.
9mm+P is an overpressure round. Quick explanation from WIkipediaSig 938 SAS, it's easily the most accurate pocket rocket that I've ever found.this thread should have an addendum of what ammo is carried.Glaser 9mm+p 100gr Pow'r balls
How do you like the overpressure rounds?
overpressure?QuoteOverpressure ammunition, commonly designated as +P or +P+, is small arms ammunition that has been loaded to a higher internal pressure than is standard for ammunition of its caliber, but less than the pressures generated by a proof round.
either way pistol manufacturers proof test their production models based on a specific pressure range. leaving a ++P+++ round in the sun, which potentially is loaded with a 'hot' powder in the first place, can add several hundred FPS to the velocity and spike the pressure by thousands of PSI potentially causing a catastrophic failure in a sub-par pistol
9mm+P is a SAAMI standard, and is equivalent to 9mm NATO loads
Calling it overpressure is less than correct, even more so if you're talking about European firearms that are designed around NATO spec ammo.
either way pistol manufacturers proof test their production models based on a specific pressure range. leaving a ++P+++ round in the sun, which potentially is loaded with a 'hot' powder in the first place, can add several hundred FPS to the velocity and spike the pressure by thousands of PSI potentially causing a catastrophic failure in a sub-par pistol
There is no special +P proof round it's the same proof that is used on any 9mm, they're both tested the same
If you want to do dumb shit and make your own +P+ (no pressure standard) ammo with "hot" (do you mean fast?), have at it. But whatever you want to do with ammo that was loaded without any pressure standard (+P+) does not change that +P is a standard load that is very similar to the international standard.
If a crap gun can't hold up to full power 9mm ammunition that is the fault of the gun, +P does not stretch the pressures outside of what the cartridge was designed for
9mm+P is a SAAMI standard, and is equivalent to 9mm NATO loads
Calling it overpressure is less than correct, even more so if you're talking about European firearms that are designed around NATO spec ammo.
Calling it overpressure is calling it what it is. It is over the standard pressure for that cartridge. A 9mm Luger+P is an Over pressur Luger round, it is not the exact same thing as a 9mm NATO round.
Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpressure_ammunition#.2BP_ammunition_use (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpressure_ammunition#.2BP_ammunition_use)
"Official +P pressures are established by the SAAMI for certain cartridges; in general the +P pressure is approximately 10% higher than the standard pressure (see chart below). SAAMI does not have a +P+ pressure standard, but this indicates a pressure higher than the +P loading.
Cartridge Standard pressure +P pressure Notes
9 mm Luger 35,000 38,500 10% increase
.38 Special 17,000 18,500 9% increase
.45 ACP 21,000 23,000 9.5% increase
.38 Auto 26,500 36,500 38% increase to make .38 Super
.45 Colt 14,000 27,500 96.4% increase, For use in certain modern revolvers and lever rifles
.257 Roberts 54,000 58,000 7.5% increase"
Article @ Gunnuts http://www.gunnuts.net/2009/04/03/9mm-nato-vs-9mm-luger/ (http://www.gunnuts.net/2009/04/03/9mm-nato-vs-9mm-luger/)
either way pistol manufacturers proof test their production models based on a specific pressure range. leaving a ++P+++ round in the sun, which potentially is loaded with a 'hot' powder in the first place, can add several hundred FPS to the velocity and spike the pressure by thousands of PSI potentially causing a catastrophic failure in a sub-par pistol
There is no special +P proof round it's the same proof that is used on any 9mm, they're both tested the same
If you want to do dumb shit and make your own +P+ (no pressure standard) ammo with "hot" (do you mean fast?), have at it. But whatever you want to do with ammo that was loaded without any pressure standard (+P+) does not change that +P is a standard load that is very similar to the international standard.
If a crap gun can't hold up to full power 9mm ammunition that is the fault of the gun, +P does not stretch the pressures outside of what the cartridge was designed for
What is your definition of "Full power 9mm ammunition"?
9mm NATO is the international standard
So I probably shouldn't hold my breath waiting for pressure signs on a +P case, should IIn the spoiler it is spelled out for you..
either way pistol manufacturers proof test their production models based on a specific pressure range. leaving a ++P+++ round in the sun, which potentially is loaded with a 'hot' powder in the first place, can add several hundred FPS to the velocity and spike the pressure by thousands of PSI potentially causing a catastrophic failure in a sub-par pistol
There is no special +P proof round it's the same proof that is used on any 9mm, they're both tested the same
If you want to do dumb shit and make your own +P+ (no pressure standard) ammo with "hot" (do you mean fast?), have at it. But whatever you want to do with ammo that was loaded without any pressure standard (+P+) does not change that +P is a standard load that is very similar to the international standard.
If a crap gun can't hold up to full power 9mm ammunition that is the fault of the gun, +P does not stretch the pressures outside of what the cartridge was designed for
I have a para ordinance warthog .45 with hogue grips and a pearce grip extension on it. too bad i can only carry it out of state (I live in illinois and have a utah and florida non-resident CCL) still waiting on my illinois CCL
with utah and florida non-res its 34 states Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, WyomingI have a para ordinance warthog .45 with hogue grips and a pearce grip extension on it. too bad i can only carry it out of state (I live in illinois and have a utah and florida non-resident CCL) still waiting on my illinois CCL
To all non FL residents if you can legally carry, you should apply it gives a large number of states with reciprocity for the non-res permit and the resident CWL, I believe, 38 states to legally carry.
with utah and florida non-res its 34 states Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, WyomingI have a para ordinance warthog .45 with hogue grips and a pearce grip extension on it. too bad i can only carry it out of state (I live in illinois and have a utah and florida non-resident CCL) still waiting on my illinois CCL
To all non FL residents if you can legally carry, you should apply it gives a large number of states with reciprocity for the non-res permit and the resident CWL, I believe, 38 states to legally carry.
I know I'll take some flak from this, but my Hipoint .380.. I've made some minor modifications, and needless to say.. it hasnt jammed in the past few hundred rounds since tinkering. It may not be expensive or considered highly, but I have enough practice with it to be more than efficient in making a killshot.. that's all that matters.
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its concealed...its a pistol...
fully on topic
Is it bad I wanted to see the uncensored version.. and you of all people didn't deliver?
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its concealed...its a pistol...
fully on topic