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Getting perscription drugs you want from a doctor
« on: December 09, 2014, 02:04:12 am »
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Over the past several months I have seen a number of threads where people were unsure what to say to their doctors in order to obtain a specific prescription they were looking for.

It brought to mind robbinthehood's old thread of the same title back on the &T boards. I thought I would cover his original points as well as improve upon/add others. Let's get started.

Part I: Anti-Anxiety (Benzodiazepines)

If you're having feelings of panic, claustrophobia, uncalled for paranoia, trouble breathing, hot flashes, etc. when you're in a group of people or even when home alone, you may be experiencing symptoms relating to General Anxiety Disorder or Social Anxiety Disorder.

First, let's learn what they are.

Social Anxiety Disorder:

Social anxiety disorder (SAD or SAnD), also known as social phobia, is an anxiety disorder characterized by intense fear in social situations[1] causing considerable distress and impaired ability to function in at least some parts of daily life.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anxiety_disorder

General Anxiety Disorder:

Generalized anxiety disorder (GAD) is an anxiety disorder that is characterized by excessive, uncontrollable and often irrational worry about everyday things that is disproportionate to the actual source of worry. This excessive worry often interferes with daily functioning, as individuals suffering GAD typically anticipate disaster, and are overly concerned about everyday matters such as health issues, money, death, family problems, friend problems, relationship problems or work difficulties.[1] Individuals often exhibit a variety of physical symptoms, including fatigue, fidgeting, headaches, nausea, numbness in hands and feet, muscle tension, muscle aches, difficulty swallowing, bouts of difficulty breathing, difficulty concentrating, trembling, twitching, irritability, agitation, sweating, restlessness, insomnia, hot flashes, and rashes and inability to fully control the anxiety (ICD-10).[2] These symptoms must be consistent and on-going, persisting at least six months, for a formal diagnosis of GAD to be introduced.[1] Approximately 6.8 million American adults experience GAD,[3] and 2 percent of adult Europeans, in any given year, experience GAD.[4]

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_anxiety_disorder

Now that we understand what SAD and GAD are, let's look at (benzodiazepine) treatment options. Below are the most commonly prescribed drugs for GAD or SAD.

    Xanax


Xanax (generic name is alprazolam) is among the most popular brands of benzodiazepines. It is most often used to treat anxiety or panic attacks. It can also be used to treat individuals who are depressed because of their anxiety. There are two types of Xanax: regular Xanax and Xanax XR. Xanax XR lasts longer in the body. An individual may take between 0.25mg to 4mg per day, depending on what the doctor deems appropriate.

    Valium


Valium (generic name is diazepam) is used to treat anxiety disorders or for the short-term relief of anxiety. It can be used to treat muscle spasms or symptoms of alcohol withdrawal, such as agitation and tremors. It may also be used to treat certain types of seizure disorders. The dosage of Valium depends on what the doctor is treating, as well as the patient's individualized symptoms. Broadly speaking, the dosage of Valium can be between 1mg to 40mg daily.

    Klonopin


Klonopin (generic name is clonazepam) is a medication to treat anxiety, certain types of epilepsy, seizures and panic attacks, according to Drugs.com. Klonopin is a long-lasting benzodiazepine. The doses are 0.25mg, 0.5mg, 1mg, or 2mg. For individuals with seizures, the dose should not exceed 1.5mg per day divided into three doses, according to rxlist.com. In patients with panic attacks, the dosage should be 0.25mg as needed throughout the day.

    Ativan


Ativan (generic name is lorazepam) is used to treat individuals with anxiety or anxiety with depressive symptoms. The dosages are 0.5mg, 1mg or 2.mg, according to rxlist.com. Although everyone's tolerance differs, the usual range is 2mg to 6mg a day. These are taken throughout the day, and the largest dose is usually before bedtime to help with insomnia related to anxiety.

Non-Recreational Treatment Options:

    Anti-convulsants (Neurontin)
    Azaspirones (BuSpar)
    Beta Blockers (Inderal, Tenormin)
    MAOI’s (Nardil, Parnate) *NOTE* Avoid MAOI’s if you use illegal drugs recreationally. They can have lots of bad effects.
    SSRI’s (Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac)
    Tricyclic Antidepressants (Aventyl, Elavil)


How To Obtain Benzodiazepines:

A general rule of thumb for obtaining any medication you specifically want is to go into the visit as humble as you can be. That is, do not go into your doctor visit with ear/lip/eyebrow piercings. Don't wear your Dead Kennedys shirt with baggy jeans and DC shoes.

Wear a nice polo shirt with some fitting jeans and some sneakers. Look conservative, but not fake. You may have to work with what's best for you.

In regard to benzodiazepines, once your doctor asks why you're there, you may want to start the conversation like:

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"I'm not sure really. I'm just...really worried. About everything. All the time. I...I don't know what else to do."
It's short and to the point. Your doctor will ask you a series of questions in regard to how you feel during the day, if anything specifically triggers those feelings, what helps it to go away, how often it occurs, etc.

If at all possible, when describing the intensity/frequency of the "attacks", try to muster up a nervous tear. It'll show your doctor that it's affecting you greatly.

Some key points to bring up during the conversation:

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"I can't even maintain a relationship. I've tried dating, but I always ruin them because I keep thinking that she really doesn't like me, or she actually thinks I'm ugly. I'm certain she's about to break up with me and all that stress weighs on our relationship and we always break up."

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"I cannot sleep at night. I lie there, staring at the ceiling wondering how will I ever pay the bills or if I have something wrong with me internally. My thoughts jump from one to another, and it's always something worrisome. "

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"I just feel so nervous or something. I go into Walmart and a sense of panic comes over me. I can feel my face turn red and I almost feel like I've done something embarrassing or wrong. I don't like to go out much."
Never expect to get a benzo the very first time around. It almost never happens that way. That isn't to say that it doesn't happen. Because it does. You may get lucky. More often than not though, you'll have to go through a series of antidepressants before you ever reach your first benzo.

Some tips to get off the anti-depressants and move toward benzodiazepines:

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"<insert anti-depressant here> makes me feel strange. I feel sort of weird, like, I'm not me. I don't like how I feel when I take it."
Also research that particular drug's side-effects and use one or two of them to complain to your doctor.
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2014, 02:04:53 am »
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Part II: ADHD/ADD Medications

If you're having trouble concentrations on matters at hand, feel overly energetic, or show trouble of following directions, you may be experience symptoms related to ADHD/ADD.

Let's learn what they are.

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD):

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD or AD/HD or ADD) is a developmental disorder.[1] It is primarily characterized by "the co-existence of attentional problems and hyperactivity, with each behavior occurring infrequently alone" and symptoms starting before seven years of age.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADHD

Attention Deficit Disorder:

Individuals with ADHD have deficiencies with self-regulation and self-motivation, that cause problems with distractibility, procrastination, organization, and prioritization. The learning potential and overall intelligence of an adult with ADHD, however, are no different from the potential and intelligence of adults who do not have the disorder. ADHD is a chronic condition, beginning in early childhood and persisting throughout a person's lifetime. It is estimated that up to 60% of children with ADHD will continue to have significant ADHD-related symptoms persisting into adulthood, resulting in a significant impact on education, employment, and interpersonal relationships.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_a...ivity_disorder

Now, let's look at treatment options.

    Psychostimulants



Psychostimulants are the most common type of medication for ADHD. Dexedrine, Desoxyn, Adderall, Ritalin, Metadate CD, Focalin, Concerta, and Cylert, are some of the more common commercial names for medications that fall under this category. According to the Clinical Handbook of Psychotropic Drugs, all psychostimulants have been found to be equally effective and take approximately one week to go into effect. Although the most common indication for these medications is ADHD, they can also be used to treat Parkinson's disease, narcolepsy and obesity.

    Selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor



Similar to psychostimulants, Strattera is an ADHD medication that increases dopamine and norepinephrine in the frontal cortex. However, Strattera does not increase dopamine in other areas of the brain. Because dopamine is not increased in areas outside the frontal cortex, Strattera is less likely to be abused and is not considered a controlled substance. Although this medication can take up to four weeks to go into effect, it is a good option for individuals who have difficulty with substance abuse, eating disorders, or are otherwise at risk if provided with the more traditional psychostimulant ADHD medication.

    Antidepressants (Off Label)



According to the Clinical Handbook of Psychotropic Drugs, some medications approved for the treatment of depression also have been shown to be effective for ADHD symptoms, although the use of these medications for ADHD remains "off-label" at this point in time. In particular, Wellbutrin has been used to control ADHD symptoms in both children and adults. In addition, Effexor and Manerix, also used to treat depression, have shown to be effective at increasing attention and concentration in preliminary studies.

What we're looking for is psychostimulants, so let's get into those.

    Amphetamine/Dextroamphetamine Medications



Amphetamine/Dextroamphetamine (prescribed in combination form or dextroamphetamine alone) are also central nervous system stimulants used to treat ADHD. They affect the neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine in the brain. Examples of this type of medication are Adderall, Dexedrine and Dextrostat (three more of the top 10 medications).

    Lisdexamfetamine



Vyvanse or lisdexamfetamine is another type of ADHD medication. It is in the psychostimulant class as well. It is different from the others in that it is chemically structured so that the stimulant components are released into the body at a slower rate than the other forms of psychostimulants.

    Methylphenidate



Methylphenidate is used as part of a treatment program to control symptoms of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD; more difficulty focusing, controlling actions, and remaining still or quiet than other people who are the same age) in adults and children. Methylphenidate (Ritalin, Ritalin SR, Methylin, Methylin ER) is also used to treat narcolepsy (a sleep disorder that causes excessive daytime sleepiness and sudden attacks of sleep). Methylphenidate is in a class of medications called central nervous system (CNS) stimulants. It works by changing the amounts of certain natural substances in the brain.

These will be the drugs you will want to go after.

This class of medications can prove to be harder because a general M.D. may want to refer you to a psychiatrist in order to diagnose and treat your "ADHD/ADD".

In this such event, the psychiatrist may as you to fill out a bubble sheet and your teacher (if you're a student) fill out one as well, or a computer test used to determine your level of concentration. Some of them can be difficult to fake.

Some things to tell your doctor:

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"My teacher/boss says I don't follow directions very well at all. They say I can't seem to sit still, and honestly, I've noticed it myself but I thought I was just a little hyper. It's starting to worry me though, because my grades/work performance is being affected by it."
You'll more than likely start out on Methylphenidate (Ritalin). That's alright. You always have to work your way up the ladder in order to achieve what you're ultimately after.

When you return to your next visit, tell the doctor there is no effect. Tell him you can't tell you're even taking it. He'll either increase the dosage or switch to a (hopefully) more desired medication.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2014, 02:05:33 am »
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Part III: Pain Relief

Almost everyone hurts somewhere. Whether it be their back, shoulders, neck, or elsewhere. Your pain may be greater than what OTC pain relievers can handle. You may have a condition known as chronic pain.

It should be noted that this section may be the easiest or hardest, depending on the situation. You're not going to get morphine or oxycodone due to a headache. You're not going to get either one of those because you sprained your ankle once in gym class back in 93' either. So with that being said...

Let's see what chronic pain is.

    Chronic Pain:



Chronic pain has several different meanings in medicine. Traditionally, the distinction between acute and chronic pain has relied upon an arbitrary interval of time from onset; the two most commonly used markers being 3 months and 6 months since the initiation of pain, though some theorists and researchers have placed the transition from acute to chronic pain at 12 months. Others apply acute to pain that lasts less than 30 days, chronic to pain of more than six months duration, and subacute to pain that lasts from one to six months. A popular alternative definition of chronic pain, involving no arbitrarily fixed durations is "pain that extends beyond the expected period of healing."

Let's see how it's treated with the most common (narcotic) medications

    Tramadol


Tramadol hydrochloride (Ultram, Tramal) is a centrally acting opioid analgesic, used in treating moderate to severe pain. The drug has a wide range of applications, including treatment for restless legs syndrome and fibromyalgia. It was developed by the pharmaceutical company Grünenthal GmbH in the late 1970s.

Tramadol possesses weak agonist actions at the μ-opioid receptor, releases serotonin, and inhibits the reuptake of norepinephrine.

Tramadol is a synthetic analog of the phenanthrene alkaloid codeine and, as such, is an opioid and also a prodrug (codeine is metabolized to morphine, tramadol is converted to O-desmethyltramadol). Opioids are chemical compounds which act upon one or more of the human opiate receptors. The euphoria and respiratory depression are mainly caused by the μ1 and μ2 receptors; the addictive nature of the drug is due to these effects as well as its serotonergic/noradrenergic effects[citation needed] . The opioid agonistic effect of tramadol and its major metabolite(s) are almost exclusively mediated by the substance's action at the μ-opioid receptor. This characteristic distinguishes tramadol from many other substances (including morphine) of the opioid drug class, which generally do not possess tramadol's degree of subtype selectivity.


For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol


    Codeine:



Codeine or 3-methylmorphine (a natural isomer of methylated morphine, the other being the semi-synthetic 6-methylmorphine) is an opiate used for its analgesic, antitussive, and antidiarrheal properties. Codeine is the second-most predominant alkaloid in opium, at up to 3 percent; it is much more prevalent in the Iranian poppy (Papaver bractreatum), and codeine is extracted from this species in some places although the below-mentioned morphine methylation process is still much more common. It is considered the prototype of the weak to midrange opioids.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeine


    Morphine:



Morphine is the most abundant alkaloid found in opium, the dried sap (latex) derived from shallowly slicing the unripe seedpods of the opium, or common and/or edible, poppy, Papaver somniferum. Morphine was the first active principle purified from a plant source and is one of at least 50 alkaloids of several different types present in opium, Poppy Straw Concentrate, and other poppy derivatives.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine


    Oxycodone:



Oxycodone (OxyContin and other brand names) is an opioid analgesic medication synthesized from opium-derived thebaine. It was developed in 1916 in Germany, as one of several new semi-synthetic opioids in an attempt to improve on the existing opioids: morphine, diacetylmorphine (heroin), and codeine.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxycodone


    Methadone:



Methadone (also known as Symoron, Dolophine, Amidone, Methadose, Physeptone, Heptadon, Phy and many other names) is a synthetic opioid, used medically as an analgesic and a maintenance anti-addictive for use in patients with opioid dependency. It was developed in Germany in 1937. Although chemically unlike morphine or heroin, methadone acts on the same opioid receptors as these drugs, and thus has many of the same effects. Methadone is also used in managing severe chronic pain, owing to its long duration of action, extremely powerful effects, and very low cost. Methadone was introduced into the United States in 1947 by Eli Lilly and Company.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone


    Hydromorphone:



Hydromorphone, a more common synonym for dihydromorphinone, commonly a hydrochloride (trade names Palladone, Dilaudid, and numerous others) is a very potent centrally-acting analgesic drug of the opioid class. It is a derivative of morphine, to be specific, a hydrogenated ketone thereof and, therefore, a semi-synthetic drug. It is, in medical terms, an opioid analgesic and, in legal terms, a narcotic.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydromorphone


    Oxymorphone:



Oxymorphone (Opana, Numorphan, Numorphone) or 14-Hydroxydihydromorphinone is a powerful semi-synthetic opioid analgesic first developed in Germany circa 1914, patented in the USA by Endo Pharmaceuticals in 1955[3] and introduced to the United States market in January 1959 and other countries around the same time. It (along with hydromorphone) was designed to have less incidence of side effects than morphine and heroin. It was a success as it differs from morphine and heroin in its effects in that it generates less euphoria, sedation, itching and other histamine effects at equianalgesic doses. This also means a lower dependence liability.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymorphone


    Fentanyl:



Fentanyl (also known as fentanil, brand names Sublimaze, Actiq, Durogesic, Duragesic, Fentora, Onsolis, Instanyl, Abstral, and others) is a potent synthetic narcotic analgesic with a rapid onset and short duration of action. It is a strong agonist at the μ-opioid receptors. Historically it has been used to treat chronic breakthrough pain and is commonly used in pre-procedures as a pain reliever as well as an anesthetic in combination with a benzodiazepine.

For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl

This area of this guide is subjective and situational. I tried to order them from weakest to strongest. Obviously, the higher up you're aiming for, the more serious of a case you'll need to present to your doctor.

Methadone, Hydromorphone, Oxymorphone, and Fentanyl will be the hardest for you to get unless you have a disease such as Rheumatoid Arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis, Cancer, or some other high-pain causing illness.

(NOTE: Methadone can be obtained from a Methadone clinic, however, one must test positive for opiates to start Methadone treatment and after 60 days of constant treatment, take-home doses are usually allowed for up to a month's worth of medication)

Similarly, you could temporarily get these medications for a serious accident or injury.

In rare cases, these medications are prescribed for persistent pain that does not respond well to the other narcotic medications.

Typical lower back/neck/body pain can be treated with everything from Tramadol to Oxycodone, depending on the severity of your pain.

Some things to tell the doctor:

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"In the mornings, I can't even get out of bed. I have to have my girlfriend help me up out of bed. I can't live like this. I've been missing work/school."
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"The pain is terrible. Oftentimes, I'll get a sudden stabbing back in my back that makes me go to my knees."
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"I don't know what to do. I've been taking almost three times the recommended amount of naproxen sodium to get rid of this pain. I know that's bad, but I have to go to work! It's the only way I can get out of bed!"
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"I lay awake at night due to the pain. Here lately, it's been causing me to cry sometimes. I don't cry very easily, but this pain in my _________ just hurts so bad...."
Become familiar with types of pain (shooting, stabbing, dull, aching, etc.)

Also become familiar with the pain scale. You'll be asked this almost every visit:



When your doctor asks what is your level of pain, don't be a jackass and say 10. 10 is where your leg just snapped in two and the bone is sticking out of your leg. A good rule of thumb is you stay at a constant 4 or 5, but in the mornings and evenings, you're easily a 7 or 8.

Do not get discouraged if it takes you years to get where you want to be at. I started out on Ultram and after 4 years, I got to my target of Dilaudid. Just keep at it. You will eventually get what you're looking for.
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Re: Getting perscription drugs you want from a doctor
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2014, 03:21:59 am »
It's Panthrax's guide, and it's pretty much common sense; don't act like a drug seeker, and know the symptoms that your drug of choice treats. It would be much more helpful if you just posted a link to his site because there are much better guides there than this one. http://www.panthraxnation.host.sk/

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Re: Getting perscription drugs you want from a doctor
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2014, 05:11:12 am »
All this work for some drugs? I never got the big hype about narcotics...

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