Just Another SnB Q thread

[cookster3000]

 Hi
 I was looking into diff meth rxns as I am tired of the bullshit drug that mcat is. It`s so short acting and I became bored of it pretty quick, so I decided to readup on meth synths.
  The Rp/I looks the easiest but scrapping so much mbs is too time consuming. I can`t afford to scrape rp in my house... or any other friends house etc. And I don`t have the necessary time either... 
 So I stumbled over this s`nb stuff a while ago... it looks pretty fkn simple but I don`t really wanna blow half a hand off without knowing  ... so I have a few Q`s:
 1. Why add the water (even that little ammount) ? The Lithium will heat up the solvents and shit and explode...
 2. Why not do it in a pressure cooker or something similar... for small ammounts this sounds pretty safe ...
 3. I tried reading up on this problem but didn`t have any real luck..  Can I substitute Ammonium Nitrate with Ammonium chloride? I`ve seen some threads stating that any ammonia salt will work the same.. Like with ammonium chloride (NH4Cl  + NaOH  --> NaCl (aq) + H2O + NH3  .. so nh3 is made just like in the case of the AN snb.
 4. Also, will gasoline work as a NP ? It`s the only zippo fluid that I can grab..
 5. Won`t premixing the materials be safer..? As in dropping it over Li and all the sudo THEN pouring the NP? Or pouring the np first, then Li, then all the other stuff.. then cap the press cooker and praying ?
 
  English is not my primary language so bare w me. 
 

 Thanks in advance
   

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4. Also, will gasoline work as a NP ? It`s the only zippo fluid that I can grab..

I wouldnt think so. I believe the purity of something like coleman camp fuel is far higher than whatever gasoline you would go with. I mean if you could find a way to somehow separate the reformates used in the production high octane gasoline from the finished product you may be on to something but that would be one hell of a process and it would be easier to pick up some coleman camp fuel anyway.

Also why cant you scrape rp at your house or a friends? If you can't do something as simple as that I don't see how you are going to be able to go through an actual cook so I would say unless you have a place to do your chemistry and can acquire the proper materials you definitely shouldn't be cooking.

[cookster3000]

4. Also, will gasoline work as a NP ? It`s the only zippo fluid that I can grab..

I wouldnt think so. I believe the purity of something like coleman camp fuel is far higher than whatever gasoline you would go with. I mean if you could find a way to somehow separate the reformates used in the production high octane gasoline from the finished product you may be on to something but that would be one hell of a process and it would be easier to pick up some coleman camp fuel anyway.
 And I can`t scrape mbrp because it`s time consuming (I have a job n shit).. and I`m very paranoid about it.. Also I like the sound of a 2 hour rxn.

Also why cant you scrape rp at your house or a friends? If you can't do something as simple as that I don't see how you are going to be able to go through an actual cook so I would say unless you have a place to do your chemistry and can acquire the proper materials you definitely shouldn't be cooking.

 [img]http://www.abload.de/img/benzin_de_allea08k.jpg[/img]

 This is what I`m talking about. It says benzynen (translator says Gasoline / Benzene). If I search I little I can acquire camping fuel. Just thought any Zippo Fluid would work.
 I can`t scrap mbrp because it is very time consuming (I have a job n shit). Also the sound of a 2 hour rxn is golden

[Bewbees]

Adding water speeds up the reaction, a little cap full wont make it explode. Never heard anyone using a PC, you can try, I wouldn't. Do not use gasoline. I have not read over this synth yet but this is what you want http://mirror.bagelwood.com/textfiles/uploads/metanf.txt . Read every step and fully understand what the fuck your doing before attempting anything. Alot of synths you see on the webs are bullshit but atleast with this its not going to blow up in your face. Dont shake n bake.

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I thought you meant like petrol gasoline. The shit that goes in cars. What you have there should be sufficient. Ill link you to some info that may be useful to your red phosphorus problem but it will still probably be a little time consuming. Nothing near time consuming as scraping though.

Extracting Red Phosphorus from Matchbooks:

    Rip off matchbook covers. Line up as many matchbook covers as you can cut through with tin snips or good, sharp scissors. Cut out and save all the striking strips.
    Drill 3/4" hole in the lid of the 5 gallon bucket. Put the mud mixer through 3/4" hole in lid and into the drill.
    Dump the 200 matchbook boxes worth of striking strips (10,000 striking strips) into the 5 gallon bucket. Pour 1.5 gallons of acetone into the bucket. Cover bucket by inserting mud mixer then snapping on the lid.
    Mix Contents for about 5 minutes. Check to see if strips are mostly white on account of the phosphorous/glue being washed off. If not then continue mixing.
    Take off the lid and pull out mixer. Put the strainer on the cooking pot and pour all the acetone in. Pull out all strips from strainer and bucket and place on clean table or in a bowl. The strips will be covered in residual red phosphorus, so rinse them by placing the strainer on bucket and throwing a handful of strips in it. Then slowly pour some of the acetone in the cooking pot, through the strainer until strips are clean. Empty strainer into garbage. Continue until all strips are rinsed.
    Pour all the acetone/RP into the cooking pot. Let the RP settle for about 15 minutes. Slowly pour off the acetone. Keep pouring as long as the acetone is pretty clear. The last bit of acetone will be reddish colored. Filter this through a coffee filter in the strainer. Scrape the mushy RP back into the pot or dry the filters, roll and ball them up well, then unfold. All the RP will fall right out in a dust.

EDIT:
Also you should link us to or post your recipe. As the above post states you don't want to get yourself blown to bits and with this many questions I would have no problem going over the chemistry in your synth and ensuring its relative safety.

[cookster3000]

 I have read pretty much every TEK on this matter, including Li`s metHod and a few similar ones. Even the one you posted. I was hoping someone with a little snb experience could chime in...
 

 LE. Thanks for the info on gasoline.  The recipe I will use will be Li`s Method posted by meff_head:
 http://www.intosanctuary.com/index.php?topic=285.0

 Thanks a lot

[Bewbees]

Methylamine synth https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/methylamine.html
P2P synth https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/p2p.phenylpropenes.html
P2P reduction https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/p2p.phenylpropenes.html
More advanced guides but very reliable

[Bewbees]

Mercury(II) chloride synth http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=20959
P2P
One step Amp synth https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/amph.alhg.html
^not that hard and not nearly as illegal

[Obbe]

This thread belongs in Lab Tips.

[Σ]

This thread belongs in Lab Tips.

Lab Tips be more of a general chemistry forum rather than gearing it solely towards drugs so for the most part questions about production of amphetamines and other drugs does go in BLTC.

[kolokol-1]

RP/I is a bitch but it's much safer and you get higher yields

Just scrape the damn matchbooks

[cookster3000]

Mercury(II) chloride synth http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=20959
P2P
One step Amp synth https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/amph.alhg.html
^not that hard and not nearly as illegal

I`m not interested Rp/i but thank you. Think about it: I can barely get camping fuel mate, why would you think I could get my hands on mercury and shit?  Remember I DO NOT live in the Us.. nor the UK...
  Thank you for all the help but the only precursors I have access to can only help me with SNB or Rp/i . Yes, I understand scraping matchbooks or TRYING to get rid of the cardboard off mbrp is a possibility.. BUT WHY WOULD I DO THAT IF SNB IS AVAILABLE? And trust me, those paper flakes are the fucking worst...
 

  Now, dont want to be rude or something, but I am simply asking qustions I couldn`t find with TFSE or Google, about an s`n`b rxn. I don`t want another recipe for it... I`ve read `em all (i`m pretty sure about that) and none of them provided the information I need.
   Maybe someone else could chime in ? (preferably with Snb experience... or  a little more chemistry knowledge thank me)

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[cookster3000]

RP/I is a bitch but it's much safer and you get higher yields

Just scrape the damn matchbooks

 Rp/I usually gives a yield of 50% ... snb gives something around 90%. 
 Rp/I usually takes as long as 24-48 for a LWR...  If doing a hot dry redox, it takes as little as 3-4 hours (with a fucking 30% return if you`re good)...
 So, you need about 5000 matchboxes for 5-6 grams of impure, shitty RP. That`s so many hours of work for so little return; and such a BIG waste of solvents... 

 The snb is SO appealing because of simplicity and high yields... hell if a hillbilly can do it, why couldn`t I do it, with even less danger of blowing up ?

[Bewbees]

Lol no, did you see Heisenberg using one pot? no, snb methods cut as many corners as possible no way are you gonna get better yields than doing a legit synth thats moronic

[Saint Hubertus]

Brother Bewbees dropping knowledge like is on sale