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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1605 on: October 28, 2014, 10:52:32 pm »
Anyone ever heard of the "vegetable television" psychedelic experience? It's from Terence McKenna and a search for the phrase yields very few relevant links.

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"Smoke some peganum harmala (MAOI effect) seeds whilst on mushrooms and this will lift the veil on a series of very cool hallucinations which lasts around 15 minutes... This combination is called 'vegetable television' because it's approximately this engaging... it's great for beginners."

Good explanation from a trip report using 4-HO-MET and syrian rue, which is how I found out about it: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=91252

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However, it was a lot of fun to understand exactly what Terence McKenna meant when he described this state: it is as if one is channel-surfing through hallucinations. This is a very novel concept for those of us who do not watch television regularly at all, let me tell you! I felt as though I was floating by different samples of the visual qualities that the combination of 4-HO-MET and smoked Syrian rue seeds: if I found one interesting, I could easily focus on it and watch it build in complexity into a geometric and colorful wonder. If I found another vision somewhat less interesting (I shy away from using the term “boring” with any psychedelic, because that is just not the case), it was just as simple to float on to the next one.

All throughout this state, which lasted for about two hours, I was very relaxed. One very intriguing effect I noticed was that this combination (again: metocin and Syrian rue, smoked) has the ability to manifest the properties of drugs temporarily. For instance, when I would focus on how sedate and relaxed I felt, I felt as though I had taken benzodiazepines or opiates for about 5-10 minutes. If I noticed the metocin coming back in a stronger wave under the influence of Syrian rue seeds, I would feel stimulated and rarin'-to-go with pure psychedelic energy. It occurred to me that pharmaceuticals and especially street drugs are just worthless. Pretty simple, right? Well, it wasn't always like that for me. I really believe that this trip showed me that the sacred mushroom, and its chemical brother, metocin, can feel like any drug around, while being safer, non-addictive, and much more temporary, producing no feeling of craving.

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1606 on: October 29, 2014, 06:12:32 am »
will i always get sick after i take coedine every day all day for days?

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1607 on: October 29, 2014, 06:24:34 am »
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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1608 on: October 29, 2014, 07:23:50 am »
Watching this right now. Seems pretty cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia2b54srRZM

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1609 on: October 29, 2014, 10:18:11 am »
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"Terence's pivotal existential crisis came abruptly. Sometime in '88 or '89. Everything that happened after that event was fallout. I don't know exactly when it happened and I don't know exactly what happened. I am piecing it together from what Kat has told me and she has volunteered few details and I am reluctant to probe. It happened when they were living for a time on the Big Island and it was a mushroom trip they shared that was absolutely terrifying for Terence. It was terrifying because, for some reason, the mushroom turned on him. The gentle, wise, humorous mushroom spirit that he had come to know and trust as an ally and teacher ripped back the facade to reveal an abyss of utter existential despair. Terence kept saying, so Kat told me, that it was, "a lack of all meaning, a lack of all meaning." And this induced panic in Terence and probably, I speculate, a feeling that he was going mad. He couldn't deal with it. Kat's efforts to reassure him were fruitless. After that experience, he never again took mushrooms and he took other psychedelics such as DMT and Ayahuasca only on rare occasions and with great reluctance."

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I know what he means..

Mckenna found the same place I did I have this wierd sense that I did a "Mckenna Catch up" and got to where he was at in terms of understanding...

I found the same place, the lack of all meaning. Its this despairing area that leaves you hopeless, because when you push past it all, this is all just here because its here, and we never leave the confinements of whatever we encounter in the life and death game.

Maybe thats why so many people seek power and control when they are a human being, they have the sense in the back of their minds that reality ultimately takes control...

That was it?  During one of my first trips I experienced what made McKenna terrified of mushrooms? Well, it was pretty fucking bad, but, gee, part of me wonders, if I managed to experience this so early, how much worse could it become? It wasn't even that high a dose, relatively speaking, compared to what can be reached. If I did something like DMT, an MAOI combination, or just a very high dose (like a thumbprint of LSD) what could my mind create?

I genuinely worry that I could become literally catatonic afterward, or severely depersonalized, permanently if medication doesn't manage to treat me. It is a bad place you do not want to go to. It isn't like standard bad trips, delusion or psychosis, believing you're in hell or possessed, unfounded paranoid beliefs, thought loops, misinterpreting or misjudging the importance of something. During the experience, it was clarity, thoughts were perfectly rational, you just don't see things as a human being, every emotion is stripped away and you see things as they really are, as if you were a machine, and it's absolutely cold, empty, meaningless, an expansiveness and unknowing that makes you feel adrift in time and space, completely alienated, a fundamental uncertainty of all, and we are all utterly and hopelessly lost.

But part of me wants to know how bad it can get, what the darkest looks like. The next time I meet the door and feel death coming, I want to be able to overcome the final barrier and accept it, accept the temporary death, temporary, but still the experience of death.

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1610 on: October 29, 2014, 10:34:56 am »
Watching this right now. Seems pretty cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia2b54srRZM

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1611 on: October 29, 2014, 03:05:38 pm »
Malice, what do you know about women? I need advice.

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1612 on: October 29, 2014, 04:54:45 pm »
(like a thumbprint of LSD)


you would never see life as you know it ever again,   that's a mindbuster.
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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1613 on: October 29, 2014, 05:23:23 pm »
Jesus god this thread is an abomination for a retarded thread you'll cowards should be ashamed

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1614 on: October 29, 2014, 05:27:10 pm »
Jesus the nature around here is boring as fuck, and it gets even worse the farther south you go. Fucking arid adapted plants and wildlife.

I wish there was a good place close by to trip at. I know about Yosemite, I wonder if there's a good private bus company with a route to there. Check it out one day to familiarize yourself and become comfortable with the are

Check out Bodega Bay, not too far, I bet you could take a bus, it's easily the most beautiful coast I've ever been to. If you could somehow manage it, Usal Beach is even better. Ridiculously gorgeous and there wouldn't be many people there this time of year. I went in May or April and we were literally the only people there. That's whats great about Northern California. Besides Yosemite which is arguably the most popular natural destination in America.

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« Reply #1615 on: October 29, 2014, 11:31:45 pm »
Malice, what do you know about women? I need advice.

Dude, I've never so much as held hands, nor have I had the desire to. Why would you ask me?

But, if you want to gain a fundamental understanding of many aspects of standard female behavior, read this book: http://www.amazon.com/There-Anything-Good-About-Men/dp/019537410X

malice, analyze/study psychometrics with me. or at least be a data point. do it so you wont be useless fgt, this kind of data is precious

The last time you asked I said it depended on what you had in mind. You never responded.

If you haven't already figured it out, focus on the HBD (human biodiversity) community, that's where the good info comes up. It's the non-superficial differences that really matter, and that's what most of the focus is on. You can find very interesting information if you do digging, because you're harvesting the fruits of people who have done much digging themselves in places where few look, on very taboo subjects. People who are genuinely very intelligent and knowledgeable. Read "The 10,000 Year Explosion".

I'm currently dealing with the recurrent desire to completely give up on life and worrying about possibly developing some form of schizophrenia. Damned if you don't, less damned if you do. Humans weren't meant to be alone and driving yourself to the level of alienation and isolation that I have is one of the worst things you could realistic do to yourself. I genuinely don't want to have relationships, I want to be able to be happy alone, but I also acknowledge  biological reality and limitations. Having a natural makeup that makes you horribly suited for social interaction and relationships, a genuine natural hatred and repulsion towards humanity, easy to maintain isolation for periods of time that then make it very difficult to reintegrate, yet still suffering the effects of it. It's akin to being allergic to water, I've thought. Could you really connect with others if you viewed them essentially as a nutritional supplement? Interchangeable and illusory?

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1616 on: October 29, 2014, 11:37:59 pm »
Sploo: http://www.longecity.org/forum/page/index2.html/_/articles/cryonics

"Funding Cryonics by Insurance".

Do you see? It really is the perfect suicide. Dying to live. No, I'm not actively planning to do it, but isn't it beautiful how it just fits so perfectly? You could probably figure out the steps.

(like a thumbprint of LSD)


you would never see life as you know it ever again,   that's a mindbuster.

That's a potential problem. The answers you find aren't always the ones you would have wanted to be true. Some people don't just dally with ideas, they naturally integrate them and cannot see things differently again, forget for a moment.

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1617 on: October 30, 2014, 12:03:38 am »
i threw a few pinches of spice into a kettle of hot tea/milk was making and got KTFO'd drinking it
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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1618 on: October 30, 2014, 02:15:38 am »
My retard friend was like "alcohol technically wakes you up because it breaks down into sugar"

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Re: The retarded thread: Send zok back to africa edition
« Reply #1619 on: October 30, 2014, 07:53:36 am »
Malice, what do you know about women? I need advice.

Dude, I've never so much as held hands, nor have I had the desire to. Why would you ask me?

Because this place is dead and my options are pretty limited.