Transexual

[equanimity]

Peace and acceptance.  Civil rights.  That sorta thing.

[Obbe]

Peace and acceptance.  Civil rights.  That sorta thing.

So why weren't you honest about who you were until recently?

You do have civil rights.  Don't you?

How can you possibly believe that one day, everyone will be at peace and accept everyone else?  How is that possible?

[equanimity]

What, you think I'm here on the internet fighting for civil rights?  Now that is delusion.

[Spectre]

Actually that article brings up the most important point these surgeries and treatments are purely cosmetic this is not a treatment to a problem of gender confusion it is genital mutilation without well reasoned treatment

the fact of the matter is genetically you are a male you will always be a male you cannot alter your genetics and to have surgery performed on a healthy body does more harm then good physiologically and mentally as seen in the little change in self destructive thoughts and behaviors seen widely in the trans community

[equanimity]

Actually that article brings up the most important point these surgeries and treatments are purely cosmetic this is not a treatment to a problem of gender confusion it is genital mutilation without well reasoned treatment

the fact of the matter is genetically you are a male you will always be a male you cannot alter your genetics and to have surgery performed on a healthy body does more harm then good physiologically and mentally as seen in the little change in self destructive thoughts and behaviors seen widely in the trans community

You're just making this stuff up as you go along.  Please show me documentation of this "widely seen change".

[mashleshmash]

At least Zek isn't a hopeless heroin addicted tranny.   

[equanimity]

At least Zek isn't a hopeless heroin addicted tranny.   

Shush

[mashleshmash]

WHO IS: Spectre

[Spectre]

Actually that article brings up the most important point these surgeries and treatments are purely cosmetic this is not a treatment to a problem of gender confusion it is genital mutilation without well reasoned treatment

the fact of the matter is genetically you are a male you will always be a male you cannot alter your genetics and to have surgery performed on a healthy body does more harm then good physiologically and mentally as seen in the little change in self destructive thoughts and behaviors seen widely in the trans community

You're just making this stuff up as you go along.  Please show me documentation of this "widely seen change".

There is LITTLE CHANGE is what I said. I'm not making anything up Trans people commonly suffer from depression and suicide and transitions have little effect on curing that. Depression and suicide maintains the same rates if not increased suicides after transitions due to the fact that most feel they do not "fit" in society and are not satisfied by the transition.

the study here > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939 was cited in the article

transitions are not helping people and in some cases are exacerbating the issues at play

your bias is showing

[Obbe]

What, you think I'm here on the internet fighting for civil rights?  Now that is delusion.

You preach about "making progress"and civil rights, and then say you're not preaching about progress and civil rights? So what are you doing here?  If we should all be honest, why did you lie to all of us?

[equanimity]

Ah that makes more sense.  Little change.  My bad.  You're still making huge assumptions here though.  Even if we do know that there is little change in depression and suicide rates between people before and after transition, the reasons for suicide and depression are not known.  The common argument is that much of the reason transsexuals kill themselves is because of the discrimination they face, which obviously exists before, during and after transition.

That's not to say the body issues don't contribute, because they totally do in many cases.  But what else can even be done to treat this?  Anti-psychotics and mood stabilizers?  I can tell you firsthand that these do not work in treating gender dysphoria.  Many people do find some peace with their bodies through the means of hormones and surgery.  It's awful that some people go through these things only to regret it afterward, but we cannot assume this means surgery and hormone treatments are bad in all cases.

You preach about "making progress"and civil rights, and then say you're not preaching about progress and civil rights? So what are you doing here?  If we should all be honest, why did you lie to all of us?

I'm here to chat with pals, entertain myself, learn new things, and make friends.

[Spectre]

Ah that makes more sense.  Little change.  My bad.  You're still making huge assumptions here though.  Even if we do know that there is little change in depression and suicide rates between people before and after transition, the reasons for suicide and depression are not known.  The common argument is that much of the reason transsexuals kill themselves is because of the discrimination they face, which obviously exists before, during and after transition.

That's not to say the body issues don't contribute, because they totally do in many cases.  But what else can even be done to treat this?  Anti-psychotics and mood stabilizers?  I can tell you firsthand that these do not work in treating gender dysphoria.  Many people do find some peace with their bodies through the means of hormones and surgery.  It's awful that some people go through these things only to regret it afterward, but we cannot assume this means surgery and hormone treatments are bad in all cases.

You preach about "making progress"and civil rights, and then say you're not preaching about progress and civil rights? So what are you doing here?  If we should all be honest, why did you lie to all of us?

I'm here to chat with pals, entertain myself, learn new things, and make friends.

That in and of itself is anecdotal evidence and not backed up by fact or studies

surgeries do cause harm to the human body a male physiology is not equipped for the hormones or the difference in genitalia this is an indisputable fact this in and of itself is a mutilation of healthy organs to facilitate a facade of changing genealogy this is not a treatment to symptoms this is an acquiescence to demands of a mind with a disorder in the same vain as not trying to treat schizoid disorders and allowing people to have multiple personalities or other delusions unchecked

[equanimity]

Sorry Obbe, after I posted that was like, "Wait that's not even part of what he was asking about..."

But didn't feel like writing more until now.

You preach about "making progress"and civil rights, and then say you're not preaching about progress and civil rights? So what are you doing here?  If we should all be honest, why did you lie to all of us?

I'm here expressing my thoughts and opinions, not pushing my transsexual religion.  If I seem preachy it's probably because this stuff hits kinda close to home and I have very strong feelings on the subject.  Really not trying to demand that anyone believe what I do.  Just presenting those beliefs for everyone else to inspect.  Most people probably don't think about this stuff very often.

I lied to you 'cause it gets old carrying this identity around with me, even on the internet.  Like transsexualism is this thing that simply must pervade throughout every aspect of my life.  Can't I just be a girl for a little while, on the internet?  When I have to be a trans girl lame jokes and pathetic harassment is a daily occurrence.

That in and of itself is anecdotal evidence and not backed up by fact or studies

surgeries do cause harm to the human body a male physiology is not equipped for the hormones or the difference in genitalia this is an indisputable fact this in and of itself is a mutilation of healthy organs to facilitate a facade of changing genealogy this is not a treatment to symptoms this is an acquiescence to demands of a mind with a disorder in the same vain as not trying to treat schizoid disorders and allowing people to have multiple personalities or other delusions unchecked

You're not really saying anything.  Surgeries cause physical harm, okay.  The surgeries are performed to "facilitate a facade of changing genealogy" which is an "acquiescence to demands of a mind with a disorder"?  Where are you getting this stuff?

The APA is behind me, so what evidence do you have of this being a facade resulting from mental disorder?

[starvingniglet]

When I have to be a trans girl lame jokes and pathetic harassment is a daily occurrence

join the club.  we all get made fun of sometimes, the difference is what we get made fun of about.  And how we handle it.

[equanimity]

Do I handle it poorly?