Transexual

[Goats]

STOP BRINGING THE FUCKING TRANNIES.

FUCK OFF.

IT IS A FETISH.

PLEASE TELL ME, HOW GETTING BOOBS, HAVING A COCK AND BALLS, IS GOING TO MAKE YOU FEMININE OR BE TREATED LIKE A "LADY" BY A HETEROSEXUAL MALE AND NOT SOME TYPE OF FUCKUP LIKE LAVARED?

YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO GET A BONER.

GO AWAY YOU FUCKING FAGGOT/SOCIAL MISFIT.

[Not An Alt]

Maybe some future revelation in the study of psychology will prove you right, but based on what evidence we have now this is untrue.  It's a shame that so many people believe this without even considering the evidence, as it breeds bigotry and discrimination.

It's not easy being transgendered.  Even without the social stigma it would suck pretty hard.

why? Do you think people will discriminate you more if they know it's a mental illness?
Or do you have something against people with psychiatric disorders?

Real mental disorders are largely treatable with medication and psychological therapy.  "Transsexual reparative therapy" is now known to be damaging to transsexuals, and often those cases result in self-hatred and suicide.  What treatment could there possibly be?

Treatable? Well treatable is a very broad category. Sedating the fuck out of some poor schizophrenic slob is considered a 'treatment' as well.
I worked in a psychiatric rehabilitation center and in my experience most disorders can not be healed and the things that are considered a 'treatment' are mostly heavy drug dosages to lessen the sensorial overload (well, that and it lessens the staffs work load).

The best someone with a real mental disorder (schizophrenia, borderline, etc) can hope for is to be able to learn to live with the illness. And with enough luck they may be able to get to work in the second rate labour market (e.g. sheltered/retardeded workshops or whatever the pc term for them are nowadays).

And in what way is being a transsexual/transwhatever different to a mental illness?
With either of them the person who has it, has to learn to live with it.

but to quote someone a lot more eloquent then me:

STOP BRINGING THE FUCKING TRANNIES.

FUCK OFF.

IT IS A FETISH.

PLEASE TELL ME, HOW GETTING BOOBS, HAVING A COCK AND BALLS, IS GOING TO MAKE YOU FEMININE OR BE TREATED LIKE A "LADY" BY A HETEROSEXUAL MALE AND NOT SOME TYPE OF FUCKUP LIKE LAVARED?

YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO GET A BONER.

GO AWAY YOU FUCKING FAGGOT/SOCIAL MISFIT.

[Not An Alt]

Anyway... why is the zoklet/totse userbase so massivly gay anyways?

This is a site that has a legacy of a userbase consisting of mostly faggots, trannies, traps and hardcore faggots on hormon therapy. If I'm remembering correctly, at least 20 members of zoklet were self-admitted faggots.

Zek, Lanny, Ashley, Mizzled, silverfuck, shadylady, v0x, coolguy420,... and that are only the members I remember...

I'm not to sure about snoopy, his wife is bald so who knows and in his pic he seems really really gay.

oh and zok and fish were probably gay too, considering they both have aids and and how zok really liked modding faggots (lanny, v0x, shadylady)

[equanimity]

why? Do you think people will discriminate you more if they know it's a mental illness?
Or do you have something against people with psychiatric disorders?

Fewer people would discriminate if they knew that transsexualism was not a psychiatric disorder.  And no, I have no problem with people who have psychiatric disorders.  There are some in my family.  We're making a lot of progress in the way of combating discrimination of those with psychiatric disorders.

The problem is that if homosexuality or transsexualism are considered mental disorders, it's that much easier to dismiss their very real feelings and experiences.  Like, "Oh whatever, you're just crazy.  There's no way you're a man because you have a vagina."

^Which trivializes the matter, and misses the point entirely.  In many cases a transsexual person is able to take hormones and have surgeries, and then be really okay with who they are.  The live normal, functional lives as their preferred gender and it's not even a big deal.  Why would we label someone like that as being mentally ill?

Treatable? Well treatable is a very broad category. Sedating the fuck out of some poor schizophrenic slob is considered a 'treatment' as well.
I worked in a psychiatric rehabilitation center and in my experience most disorders can not be healed and the things that are considered a 'treatment' are mostly heavy drug dosages to lessen the sensorial overload (well, that and it lessens the staffs work load).

The best someone with a real mental disorder (schizophrenia, borderline, etc) can hope for is to be able to learn to live with the illness. And with enough luck they may be able to get to work in the second rate labour market (e.g. sheltered/retardeded workshops or whatever the pc term for them are nowadays).

And in what way is being a transsexual/transwhatever different to a mental illness?
With either of them the person who has it, has to learn to live with it.

The difference between transsexualism and mental illness is that transsexualism is not something negative that needs curing.  With enough money for hormones and surgeries, and the strength to endure social discrimination, most transsexuals can live great lives.  Not in spite of their transsexualism, but in harmony with it.  The best "fix" is simply to go along with it and do what comes naturally.  It's a long and arduous journey getting there, largely for monetary and social reasons.

But once you've made it, it's so much easier to be at peace.

[starvingniglet]

Fewer people would discriminate

when will you silly teletubby leftists learn that discrimination and competition are the main drivers of our civilization, they are what make us human, and they are actually benificient for all types of life forms?

[equanimity]

Discerning discrimination and respectful competition are wonderful things.

[Spectre]

homosexuality is not comparable to transsexualism and it's honestly pretty shitty of you to compare the 2 there are major differences to being attracted to someone and wanting to under go many COSMETIC surgeries with the intent of changing physical appearance to meet an disillusioned ideal of what is right for someones body

[starvingniglet]

Discerning discrimination and respectful competition are wonderful things.

you are a bright cookie, you should look into game theory and then tell me about 'respectful competition'.  I hate to distill a lengthy diatribe into a one-sentence aphorisim, but here goes:  'Nice guys finish last'.

[equanimity]

homosexuality is not comparable to transsexualism and it's honestly pretty shitty of you to compare the 2 there are major differences to being attracted to someone and wanting to under go many COSMETIC surgeries with the intent of changing physical appearance to meet an disillusioned ideal of what is right for someones body

Was speaking strictly about social stigma there, in which case they are comparable, but you're right.  Two completely different things that have little to do with one another.

you are a bright cookie, you should look into game theory and then tell me about 'respectful competition'.  I hate to distill a lengthy diatribe into a one-sentence aphorisim, but here goes:  'Nice guys finish last'.

Bright cookies are the best cookies

Wise guys finish when they finish, and find ways to enjoy the journey as it lasts.

[starvingniglet]

Wise guys

[equanimity]

oh great.  now i'm going to waste the entire day doing this.

[Spectre]

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/11/trouble-in-transtopia-murmurs-of-sex-change-regret/

interesting read on the topic

[equanimity]

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/11/trouble-in-transtopia-murmurs-of-sex-change-regret/

interesting read on the topic

It brought up a lot of interesting topics, but the author didn't at all make a case against transsexualism.  Made quite a few assumptions, like about how widespread this regret is and for what reasons transgendered people have much higher rates of suicide.  I've never met a trans person myself, but have heard of one from 420chan's /cd/ "detransitioning".

What I dislike about many activists on both sides is that they are so uncompromising and dishonest.  It's true that people wanting to speak openly about their regrets concerning their transition are ostracized and vilified by the online trans communities.  And the fact that some people do have these regrets is not a case against transsexualism on the whole (which is a fallacy).  Rather, it suggests that this is not one problem that we can fix with one cookie cutter solution, but is instead a very broad number of issues that affect individuals in a variety of ways.

For either side to say, "I am right, and you are wrong," misses the point entirely, and is a pretty active denial of the complexities of reality and the varied human experience.  Sometimes I find myself doing that though, especially when dealing with difficult people and the insistence that transsexuals are all mentally disturbed and not actually trans.  It's rough when you're fighting for acceptance in society, and the people vehemently disagreeing with you seek out the people for whom transition was not the answer in order to exploit their stories as an attack on the validity who you are.

It's not secret why certain trans activists don't like those that decide they aren't trans.  And it's no secret why the anti-trans crowd seeks out those detransitioners.  Really it's all very sad.  The only sensible way to approach any of this is with compassion and understanding.  After all, we're each fighting pointless and harmful battles of our own.

It's only when we're honest with ourselves and everyone else, including the difficult people, that any progress can be made.

[Slave of the Beast]

It's only when we're honest with ourselves and everyone else, including the difficult people, that any progress can be made.

Is that why you recently lied about who you are when asked?

Oh wait, that doesn't make any sense...

[Obbe]

It's only when we're honest with ourselves and everyone else, including the difficult people, that any progress can be made.

Progress towards what?